I Was All in on the Sig 365 AXG Legion......Until
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- The quest for the ultimate EDC gun seems to be getting easier and easier in modern times. The combination of capacity, small footprints, optic ready, and even integral comps.....it's hard to argue with. So we were very excited about the Sig 365 AXG Legion...and then we got a curveball.
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00:00 - The quest for the ultimate EDC
01:03 - Disclosures
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02:18 - What is the Legion lineup?
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07:03 - But......uh oh
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You can literally see the slide rattle when returning to battery on the Legion. Unbelievable. Thanks for your honesty as usual!
Mmmhmm
A lot of guns do that shake. It’s not a high dollar 2011.
@@jerrybrooks7883 Respectfully disagree. Some might rattle, but not to this degree. I’ve owned a lot of them over the years, the Walther PDP being the worst. Not as bad as this Sig.
@@wisco_guy that’s one gun. Mine is not that bad. I have a XL that has no movement at all. When I put a loaded mag in, no wiggle and shoots great. The 365 AXG Legion is a great gun.
lol what rattle?
I said I’d share my experience with the 365 Legion I just bought in an earlier comment. Love it. Only had time to put 300 and some change through it. No malfunctions, no change in the FCU to frame fit or slide movement as seen in this video. With the Romeo X compact, no problem hitting a 3x3 pastie square from 25 with shorter splits than my G19 with an RMR or my G34 with an SRO. It’s been a while since a pistol shot enough to my liking that it made me laugh like a kid laughing at his own farts in a bathtub after I finished each magazine. I agree on the trigger, wall was discernible with a rolling break that was predictable and I didn’t have to try as much as usual to prevent pushing the muzzle low and left than I usually do as I get closer to the end of the range session. I also picked up a 320 AXG Legion, shot that dude on the same day, had just as much fun. After I got home and cleaned both heaters, my glock 19 and 34 went into a pelican and will probably remain there until TBD. No buyer’s remorse whatsoever. I’d argue to make sure something isn’t broken in the review pistol and don’t pull a pistol trial where the glock broke mid firing schedule and was found to be broken afterwards, and they threw the baby out with the bath water and didn’t take into consideration that even though there was a broken part, it continued to run. Just my two cents, I’ll go back to being a nobody now.
I have a p365 AXG Legion and mine has well over 1000 rounds and mine doesn’t have the same wiggle. Hopefully nothing happens to Chris’ new 365! Amazing gun and have no complaints so far with mine
Might want to check and make sure your FCU is seated properly and the pin at the back isn't broken. My 365XL has no rattle or wiggle loaded or unloaded and I have more than a thousand rounds through it.
Polymer or aluminum frame?
prolly the polymer frame
AXG is aluminum frame
these two dumb balls can not even strip the slide to check
@@Osprey1994 polymer, it's in the Wilson Combat XL frame
Sig 365Xl with Wilson Combat grip.....happy man.
Yes! I have the Wilson Combat grip on my macro and it’s perfect!
I believe the xl is the perfect balance of size and shoot ability. I have the spectre comp slide and it’s a beauty
I recently picked up a P365 AXG Legion. I don't have the wiggly slide, because SIG is shipping these with a roll pin just aft of the rail now, and I noticed that your version didn't have this pin. The pin holds a steel insert which tightly secures the front of the FCU.
Another huge perk of the AXG legion over a build especially for an EDC handgun is it is FACTORY and looks a lot better in court if you ever have to use it for protection.
From what I've heard from an attorney that argument used by an attorney failed miserably. Colin noir also talks about this on his channel.
Yeah, another red herring that people like to talk about for no reason. This isn’t that complicated.
Avoid a deadly event at all costs. If you HAVE to be involved in a deadly event…. Don’t talk to the cops, lawyer up IMMEDIATELY, and make no statements publicly or on social media.
I agree, the spectre comp is a feel good measure. I've been shooting open-class pistols for over 30-years and I understand what proper chambered comps are and how they work. The spectre comp is a best a vertical vent that some gas will take via the path of least resistance. There is no chambering at all to build or control gas volume or pressure. There is almost no baffle area for the gas to push forward. My wife has a p365 XL Rose with the integral slide comp and in my opinion, it does nothing. Borrowed a standard p365XL barrel and put it in the weapon, negating the comp area completely, and the felt recoil is exactly the same.
On pistols like this, I don't know if comps or ports are needed or even a good idea, but proper barrel porting will prove to be more effective and the better option. This is especially true on striker fired pistols as proper barrel porting will have zero effect on reliability.
I have about 1K rounds through mine, and I do not have ANY of that wiggle/play between the slide and frame. It's my favorite EDC by far.
agreed, 100% ..same experience
Man I really appreciate your guys's commentary
Chris you shooting that Sig looks so smooth....
Makes me wanna get one..
I had FCU slop in 3 of the 4 P365s I've owned, but they were all polymer frame variants, so not quite apples to apples. Each one loosened up during the first few hundred rounds of being fired, mostly 115 and 147 ball and a few mags of HST 124+P. When I spoke with SIG CS they stated that they were still in spec and there was nothing to worry about. I eventually sold them and moved on to other platforms.
Yup the FCU staking is the weak link in this design. I used a brass shim to fill the gap.
I def approve of this concept, particularly for a Summer Carry Pistol.
I assembled 3, P365s a couple yrs ago using Wilson Grip Modules, closed emitter Holosuns, PMM Barrel/Comp, WMLs and slicked up Trigger Groups.
While I might prefer carrying a tricked out C2, I certainly don’t feel “UnderArmed” with the SIGs.
As for availability, I can’t find one in stocks at my local stores. That thing rattling was weird. I’d check the fire control unit. To see if something sheared off. My x macro doesn’t rattle at all.
Used my 365 X Macro today for a no light shooting course and it was great.
It’s definitely my new favorite carry. I have a couple thousand through mine no issue.
Seems a couple guys had the issue we had in the video but 8-9 people in the comments have had no issues with theirs like yourself
I had a mischief machine grip for my xmacro an there was a lot of play not normal play. What I did is shim the taken down pin, also shim the front metal lug that hook the fcu. Adding a shim seem like it out of spec, I end up sold the Mischief machine grip went back to stock polymer grip
Thanks Devon!
I'm all in on S&W, and this helps keep me content to my Shield+ ported PC and Spec series, and I carry a light, ARs though, I'm seeing some companies coming out around $3k now, and that is on par with the Gucciest build I've ever done, so at that point, I'm all for building one and getting exactly what you want over buying factory %90 of what you want
The vibe from the intro was on point. You guys have great editing. Great vid
Insane that you made this video today! I was JUST at my gun shop asking their gun smith thought about it! He says send that B back and have em fix it. Fingers crossed for customer service 🙃
So you’re having similar issues? Seems to be 2-3 guys having this issue in the comments but 6-7 that haven’t had this issue 🤷🏼♂️
Sig customer service is top notch. Worry not.
@Chrisblau I think 6-7 guys in the comments haven’t exceeded 1,000 rounds like I have though
@@austindickson1671 I can only go off what they said and it seems to be round counts of 500-1000 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I own this firearm, my hands are normal sized. I just cant get any of my support on the frame. Im used to a glock grip and mimicking that on this fire arm my support hand's webbing gets cut up by the slide release.
I had to go back to carrying my 19, or LTT Berretta
same thing for me....i just didn't shoot the XL then Macro as well as my glocks, so they had to go...I have avg to slightly smaller hands....also, the trigger on the xL is dog shit.
Zero issues with mine @ 1000rds through it. P365 triggers start tight but loosen up over time.
Absolute favorite EDC in my Sig family even though the light-bearing holster makes it feel like a beast.
My stock XMacro was the same way, very loose slide to frame fit. I swapped over to an Icarus Precision lower and it's stayed tight with thousands of rounds through it.
Waiting anxiously for my Icarus lower to arrive!
@@mich7008 You won’t be disappointed, totally changes the gun for the better.
Mine was the same until I put the Wilson Combat frame. Much happier now.
Jake not understanding how gravity works is hilarious 😂
It was cold lol
😂😂😂
Dude. I feel like Albert Einstein sharing the discovery of gravity with him in that scene 😂😂😂
Yep. FKN WTF LOL.
@1911syndicate
"It was cold." So... the North and South Poles make the gravities... more strongerer?
How does magnets??
I have a icarus precision metal grip module that was super tight when it was new and in the course of a couple thousand rounds also developed same kind of wiggle. It's not just the slide vs the grip module, it's the actual trigger module that wiggles in the grip module.
Yea. Not a fan of that “feature” haha
Just watched another video, apparently, it’s the internal frame to grip module that gets loose, not slide to frame.
Hmmm. May very well be true, still not a good sign at all
@@1911syndicate you might’ve got a lemon. Every company has some slip through the cracks. Even your favorite 1911/2011 makers and yes, even Glock has had lemons get out into to the wild. I had unreliable Glocks and 1911’s, but the 365 I built myself still runs better than any stock gun I’ve ever bought at the same price as my 365 build. The only thing Sig about my build is the 17rd magazine and about 70% of the fcu. I’ve got over 8,000 rounds through its current configuration and about 14,000 rounds on that fcu and it runs flawless, not to mention still tight 🤷🏻♂️ I still don’t see why Sig gets such a bad name, especially when staccato has been proven to NOT be drop safe either. I put 99.9% of all ND’s on the users, from what I’ve seen.
The frame is the grip module and there is no such a thing as "internal frame". Did you mean FCU to grip module/frame?
@@Duda4711Oh, you’re one of those…..
That slide was moving not the fcu or grip. what vid were you watching?
I literally just left the gun shop 5mins ago with the p365 axg legion in hand. 😂
God speed
Unloaded of course, if you shake the gun in in a rapid manner does is clickety clack like a set of castanets? Lots of the 365s Ive had(5), the tolerances were dogshit between the slide and frame.
My EDC. Great shooting gun
@@1911syndicatebest possible reply 🤣
why tho, it failed in comparison to the ICARUS frame.........
I would say just verify that the FCU is properly seated in the frame. As they have those teeth/hooks you have to get the fcu under in the frame. I have all 3 p365 x macro guns and the axg frame is very tight when taking the fcu out. Like stupid tight.. Not sure if that’s the issue but maybe a good starting point to figure out the issue?
Also great video, but slightly disappointed as there was no top gear/grand tour style intro.
I love building my pistol from the ground up, made to my specifications.
That's precisely why my P365 has an Icarus Precision frame, a Norsso slide, and an mCarbo trigger with a Javelin recoil rod.
Having something you put together for yourself is incredible.
And that’s the whole point I was trying to make. Kind of cool that you can make what you want but if people are lazy about that and or just don’t want to wait for parts to come in stock this legion is pretty dope to achieve 80% of what the market is currently doing. Thanks for watching and commenting dude
Radian makes a really nice back strap magwell combo and they make the Afterburner for it too, but you have to run the short slide and barrel with the comp on, it looks great on top of the macro module.
I have the 365 x macro comp (non legion) and it has the same twerk. Fine when loaded though and it doesn't effect the shooting at all. Oddly enough my wife's P356 X 12 rounder doesn't have any wiggle. Oh and the Radian backstrap/magwell combo is lovely. Looks and feels nice.
I started with a SIG 365XL (which I still have) and now use a SIG 365 X-Macro Comp. 17 in the mag and it shoots great, plus it's just light enough to carry all day and concealable enough for all seasons.
Can't wait to see how the ported/comped EDC line of products evolve over the next few years.
Why? Your X-Macro isn’t ported or compensated. It’s got a fuckin cut in the slide.
@@asphaltannihilator157 Sorry you missed the sentence fragment answering your question. Here is it for reference: "...it shoots great, plus it's just light enough to carry all day and concealable enough for all seasons."
@@DadHominem I’m not sure what the fuck you thought my question is but your last line was that you can’t wait to see how the ported/comped EDC line of products evolve over the next few years. My question is why, because your current carry gun is neither comped nor ported and you just reaffirmed that you’re happy with its performance.
@@asphaltannihilator157 Your question was "why?" I answered it. Sorry you missed it...again. Best luck on your journey of understanding.
@@DadHominem You’re clearly incompetent and have poor reading comprehension. Bless your poor little heart. You should get hooked on phonics, bud.
My EDC is a 365x with Icarus X Evo alloy grip and mag floor plates, 3.7 theaded barrel, 507k, and olight mini balder with green laser. Feels great in hand and shoots fantastic.
An interesting review, and watching the P365 "grow up" from a sub compact to a compact size gun. I will note that mine has not exhibited the change in fitment that yours has. However, you did not note how "tight" the mags are with 17 rounds and the difficulty to seat them with the slide closed. But this tension definitely reduces any looseness in the slide to frame movement. I would also note that if quicker return to target in an EDC does not matter, then porting has no benefit except for competition guns.
I just built one of these last month but in the standard p365 size with a metal frame and ported barrel. It’s impressive how flat it shoots but idk if it was cheaper than the AXG lol.
Bought one this past weekend, coincidentally. I’ll be trying to get to the range this weekend and see what happens after 250-500 rounds. I’ll come back and report on how mine performs/holds up.
😂😂😂”I don’t know dog I don’t know bout that one”😂😂😂😂
I have a P365XL NRA Edition and it's been a solid piece since day 1 but I wouldn't mind upgrading to the AXG Legion version.
That slide to frame thing is even more of an issue on the plastic frames. You can really bend it apart and its even more pronounced when you got a wml at the end. The rail on the frame for the slide is located in the rear. This wasn't an issue with the 3.1 365s because it wasn't long enough to cause issues. As 365s evolved to pretty much compact sizes you notice these things now.
Crazy
People keep saying it's less wobble on the polymer ones, people don't know what they are talking about, it's all personal opinions lmao.....
@@XuroX.I own a Few variations of the P365, P365XL and none of mine have wiggle like the one in this video. I often carry an X-macro with the comp and it also has no slop. My X-Macro has approx 600 rounds through it. My other most shot P365XL is a Spectre Comp with approx 400 rounds through it. Maybe mine have not been shot enough 🤷🏻♂️
Great review! My wife loves her 365X-Macro... non legion version and it has None of that sloppy slide to frame fit. Bought it when they first come out and fell in love w/it! Fit's big and small hands equally great. Chris what coat are you wearing? Is that an Arcteryx Leaf?
Went from the p365xmacro to the AXG Legion. At 250 rds the pin that holds the fire control module in walked itself out. And at 1200 rds it’s not extracting consistently and being sent back to sig for repair. Never had a single issue with my p365xmacro after 3000rds now with the legion several issues.
New sub from this vid, the freezing paid off fellas. I like what i see and enjoyed the video.
Does the axg grip have a steel insert for the fcu to lock into? I had a sharps bros aluminum macro grip (since returned, terrible experience/interaction with the CEO). But that grip had that system and it the insert wasn't properly loctited into the frame with the screw. About 300 rounds in that screw backed out causing the exact issue you demonstrate. It was fine after retorqued but there were other issues causing me to part ways with it.
Thanks Devon, nice gun! The boys didn’t talk much about the ports though. Is it a Monsoon Lucky 7’s port? I have 2 p320’s with Lucky 7’s porting and I love them!
Slideworks engineering did the port job on it, was only 130 for complete port package with cerakote, I do wish I'd gone with lucky 7s tho
Interesting video, I’m guessing the wiggle is as bad as it will ever be. I’m guessing with the built in comp it needs some play in the slide to absorb the pressure that’s flowing through the ports on the slide.
glad that i went with the regular macro and just made my own legion, if i would've bought the legion and the frame and slide loosened up so significantly i would be very annoyed.
I built out a custom P365 XL with an Icarus Grip module. After approx. 1k rounds it also developed that wiggle from the FCU to the grip module. In the past I have fixed slop in AR upper and lowers receivers by placing an o-ring between the receivers at the front take down pin. So, I took a page out of that book and placed an o-ring between the grip module and the FCU and voila, no more wiggle and that is with another 1k rounds through it. Would I recommend this when spending north of $2k on a P365, no, but then again, I still love my P365s and thinking to build another.
365 is SO good.I have a xmacro with icarus precision grip and custom trigger.. built it up from just the FCU. Carried a g19 for a decade. Also own a standard 365 which I carry. Maybe I'm being a lemming, but have prescribed to the idea that carry guns should be stock. When I picked up the 365, was blown away by how much more natural it felt.
Did you lose the rear FCU fixing pin or the striker block mechanism? I have an X-Macro Comp and a couple of X-Macro TacOps variants. None have that much vertical or lateral slop between FCU and slide. They're all polymer grip modules, but that shouldn't matter. I'm thinking of getting a 365AXG grip module if the ever become available- but now I'm doubting that idea.
@1911Syndicate I bought a CustomWorks 365 and it was tight upon purchase. Within 500 rounds it opened up in the front by about 3mm and tapers to a tighter fit in the rear. I called Sig about it and they said it is designed to do that over time but it will still be reliable. It is still reliable. I’m at 1,200 rounds in and no malfunctions. But accuracy on shots over 7 yds has diminished. It still can defend for EDC situations but now my tight spread at 10 - 15 yds has opened up by 3-4 in. Compound that in a defensive situation with adrenaline pumping and moving targets and I doubt I would place all lead on target. I’m looking to sell my build for $600 OBO.
Chris, you should just get that Langdon P30SK that you were toying with getting. Comparable in price, hammer fired, etc
AXG Legion is a shredder I’ll tell ya. Best shooting ergonomic hand gun ever made.
I switched out a stock trigger shoe and replaced the striker safety spring with a slightly lighter one, and replaced the whole striker assembly with a titanium one from m.carbo. The new striker has a slightly improved sear geometry and quite honestly blew me away with how much slop it took away from the break. My honey concern is the break is lighter than an old series 70 1911 from Wilson combat. Wanna fix the trigger? I hate being a schill, especially when I ain’t makin anything, but it’s worth it to me to inform y’all that you can definetly fix you 365 trigger if you feel that there’s room for improvement. There definitely is, and the one that I switched used to be the worst trigger I’d felt on a 365 yet.
I did the same upgrades on mine. Mcarbo trigger and titanium striker. A world of difference.
I wonder if the added rigidity of the alloy frame causes the recoil to warp or bend parts? Polymer soaks recoil up a lot better, and 365 FCU's seem to be very thin stamped metal
Is that wiggle with a magazine in and the stricker cocked? P320s do the same thing but completely lock up when it’s time to fire. Was eyeing one of these but will totally skip if they get that loose.
I have P365 X- Macro Tacops do you know if you can you put a lighter recoil spring in the gun? The one that is in the gun is the hardest recoil spring I ever have to pull back the slide on any pistol I ever owned! I have been shooting since I was 5 and I'm 76 now and the take down lever is so hard you have to buy a tool to move it! What is up with Sig the gun shouldn't have to have a toolbox with you in the field!
I have a 365xl as my main/only ccw for a little over a year now. The trigger gets mushier over time. It has a lighter pull than when it was new, but its mushier too. The "mushiness" is the only part of the trigger i dislike, but i dislike the mush a lot. It made me decide to get something different from a p320 for my full size option too. I went with a cz. Now i want to switch to a cz or some other brand to replace my 365, just because of the mush in the trigger.
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Don't think I've seen any of your other videos, and you did a solid job going over most of the points. I was going to make a comment about the long grip, but it's literally snowing in the video; so you can probably hide a longer gun more easily there than most places.
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I’m assuming they’re at elevation!
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I like my 365 variant better than the Legion 365. Mine is a short 365x slide sitting on top of an Icarus Precision 365 Macro subcompact aluminum frame. That thing shoots great and is also soft shooting because of the metal IP frame. 350 for the IP frame and you can buy a complete 365x for 500 ish, which together is less than an AXG Legion 365.
I love my p365 but I can't get over how the trigger looks like the wing on a toggle bolt LOL.
I have p365x and XL no slop or wiggle. Wilson combat grips, EPS carry optics, the rest is stock. I couldn't justify upgrading to the AXG.
I went the route of buying a Tacops, sending the slide and barrel to Monsoon Tactical for Lucky 7s and then it’s currently being cerakoted MAS Gray at 4Bushwrs. I would be interested in an aluminum grip module at some point.
I’m rocking the Mischief Machine XXL, with the FDEZ XXL comp, TLR1, and red dot. I think it’s maybe my favorite gun to shoot. It’s NOT as cheap as the AXG, but it’s wildly better.
I was wondering if we can get a posting of the actual build list for Devon's p365
Absolutely love my 365 Legion. Dead on accurate, not a single failure and unbelievably soft shooting. My legion doesn’t have that rattle and the frame can’t be pulled apart from the slide like that. Very strange.
Just ran mine through a training course shooting Gold Dot 124 grain and ball 115 grain.. I was AMAZED at how it handled the hot stuff
I have a P365 AXG Legion, and have put a few hundred rounds through it and it does not have any wiggle either.
The 365 legion is my first and only 365. Ended up selling my staccato cs because I actually prefer the 365. Albeit i have a c2 but still. Great video gents thanks for doing what you do.
Funny you say this...........I brought my Sig p320 AXG legion to the range this past saturday. My buddy brought his Staccato XC and C2 (with with RDO's). The XC was next level and might be the best shooting gun I've ever handled. The C2 was just ok if I'm being honest, and not only did the p320 AXG legion outshoot it my hands, but also in my buddy's, who had never shot the p320 aXG prior to that day. The AXG legion platform is simply outstanding for what you're paying.
@@SigAXG320 I have $500 and $600 dollar pistols that outshoot my Staccato's (C2, P, XC) from time to time (and some of them all the time).
My c2 puts a mag dump on a 10 inch 25 yd plate no problem doubt your 365 will do that as easy! I call you bs
@@paullordi5154
It took me about 5 mags or so, but by the last mag, the C2 shot fantastic. So it was me. But out of the box, the XC was an absolute cheat code by comparison. Having said that, don't sell the p320 AXG short -- it's pretty fantastic and even my buddy felt it shot better for him than his C2 (when accounting for limited trigger time). I obviously can't speak to the 365 AXG
I don't doubt it at all brother. I think a stock c2 and 320 axg turns into trigger vs weight and a comp. So it boils down to preference and what you value, like most things. But it's always great to get hands on and see what you prefer. I'm glad you enjoy your gun! @@SigAXG320
I wonder if the extra weight of the top mounted sights creates more wear and tear on the rails of the frame of these guns from recoil. I'm curious to know if that is factored in on the design of the slide rails.
I have an og 365xl that is completely stock with just shy of 3k rounds on it and it has always had a bit of wiggle. Not as bad as your guy's example, but a similar amount of play. It has stayed the same over the course of my ownership. That being said, i would like to point out that it is entirely fcu to grip module play, rather than fcu to slide fitment. So while it doesnt lend towards the "feel in the hand" aspect, i dont think it would affect accuracy or longevity or anything.
I have a X Macro, first release, with about 2000 rounds through it…….it has that same play. It actually broke in, slide and slide release was super stiff when I first got it.
This is about the first gun vid ive watched in a while. Switched hobbies to my Harley and man, there are a lot of parallels. Stock is good enough, but aftermarket is almost always better but more expensive.
Well thanks for watching dude we appreciate you stopping by. I’d imagine there is a ton of similarities with how many options of manufactures there are along with aftermarket support.
Also this is not our best video by far take a peak around at some others and again thanks for stopping by be safe out there on the road. 👊🏼👊🏼
Hmm, Harleys and 1911s or Ducati and Beretta?
BRB. I'm going to Rome.
@@handroids1981I’m a Harley guy, but them 80’s/90’s desmo Ducs were sweet.
@@christoperdevore3617 Hmm, I want to be a Buell and 2011 guy but I have Gromet and HiPoint funds.
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Chris’s axg legion is an older style frame. The newest manufactured ones now have a pin which holds a metal spacer in place to keep the fcu secure. The pin is located at the top and just behind the pic rail. The older style axg frames all loosened up like this. New ones wont
365xl with icarus xl+ and pmm comp amd dpm recpil springs...done.
My shadow system DR920 has that same slide wiggle.
I don’t know if the $1500 price included this or not but you also have to keep in mind that a custom works fcu from Sig will run you about $300-$350 and if you just use a standard fcu from a previous 365 you have well then you have to calculate the price of what that gun cost you. Although you can always send out your original slide to get ported and cerakoted and maybe save some money that way depending on if you have the xl slide or not.
As a complete amature shooter, I went to the range yesterday to test out a bunch of handguns and while this was genuinely the only one I liked shooting, I noticed the wobble immediately and thought it was wierd. The upper assembly wobbles like crazy.
Very odd indeed. There’s a normal amount of play, but this is beyond
Hi I’m watching you video on the p365 axg legion I have the same problem I just sent it back to sig
I’m hoping they will do something about the loose slide love you videos tanks
Thanks for watching dude sounds like you and I are the only people with this issue judging from comments. I’m gonna send mine in and see what they say. Keep me posted on yours and thank you again for watching and commenting we appreciate you.
Interesting. Dang it
Please do a follow-up video on this issue. I and many others want to see how Sig will fix the problems
Thanks for the great content
The custom 365 might've been softer shooting but watching them back to back, especially considering the gas pedal on the custom one, it looked like the Legion recoiled less, shot flatter.
Mine just hit about 2k rounds, fcu now has a bunch of horizontal play and some vertical play as well. I can wiggle the fcu with the slide off. Pretty sad about it because the gun feels great in hand and looks great on paper. Mine definitely has less vertical play than what I saw in this video but time will tell how this issue will progress.
i wanted to love the 365 platform....i had a couple XL's, then swapped in the macro grip modules....i eventually got rid of them and have been back to a bigger Glock....Staccato incoming soon!
also...dude....i finally got a Ciguera belt; never would have heard of them without you guys.
Awesome man glad to hear it!
What's up with that gap, Sig? I went the cheap, old school route w/mine: non-comped, hogue rubber grip sleeve (to cure the backstrap wobble), XS Big Dot sights (in lieu of limited rds options), and Go Guns rail mounted gas pedal (just cuz). All in, it's cheaper than my wife's rds & comped X-Macro, shoots just as flat, w/no muzzle blast, and I'm the only guy on the range w/anything like it, for whatever that is worth.
I believe the cheapest route other than getting an AXG Legion P365 is to get a P365 XMacro Comp, and then adding a metal frame. BTW, my P365X has over 1,000 rounds through it and there is NO slop or wiggle.
Will you guys be doing a review on the new cr920x elite? Would love a review from you guys since you keep it raw and real since I plan on purchasing, but hesitant 🙃
Negative sir not on a radar
Would be nice if you did video of the FN 509 CC. Has the muzzle device, mag capacity from 10 round to 24 rounds. Softer shooting than the Sig 365.
I wish they would have disassembled and tried to diagnose the reason of the wiggle. Was the retainer pin in the back of the grip module loose, was the FCU not sitting right? If that FCU and slide were put on another grip module, would it have stopped? I wanna know....
I just got one a few days ago, hardly a couple hundred rounds through mine. The federal Syntech 150 grain felt better than the 115 FMJ and 147 HP I shot that day. Going to keep looking for that 147 and up grain ammo and see which is best. Paid $1370 tax and all....I just thought for $500 more I could have a Bul ARMORY model... Having said that I'm not disappointed with my purchase I had a lot of fun with it that range session and only had a couple hundred rounds to shoot. I think it's definitely going to shoot better with certain ammo. @ 7:37 I went to check mine 😂.... like I said barely 200 but it's not like that it's tight almost hard to rack tight. It very could end up like that though. 😮
Time shall tell. Hopefully not
I wish you would’ve taken me up on my offer to shoot my fully custom 365 months ago. You would’ve loved it, and probably a lot more than that one you used for the “aftermarket” set up.
Yea these guys are not smart.
@PD-we8vf
And your MENSA credentials, sir?
@@handroids1981 lol they only a 132 to get accepted 👍🏻 takes a lot less than that to engineer your own trigger bar and shoe. Everything after that simply came with over 20 years or gun smithing experience. Anything with an fcu can be fairly easily modified if you know what you’re doing and have the resources to do what you want. I’m currently working on making my own fcu housing with tighter fitting full length rails too 👍🏻 it doesn’t take a genius, it just takes passion and know how.
@@Bryan-1980 132?? I thought they lowered their standards to 120 "to accept more D.E.I."?
@@handroids1981 who knows, with all the participation trophies everyone wants these days 🤷🏻♂️😅
Thank you for getting back to me
I will let you know a soon I get it back
I have a pictures from a plate it’s in side
The is a loose I send it to sig hopefully they’ll fix it
I run the pmm comp and barrel with a 365 live free army slide, icarus precision polymer grip module, tlr7sub, 507k holosun. With the 365 slide and pmm comp it's the same length as the xl slide, so the comp is integrated in the frame
I can only assume this build is over $1k. Wanted to build something similar with PMM comp instead of buying something from Sig with a comp’d slide but damn it gets expensive quick
@@Sinsofcarolina yes it is, around 1400$ with everything
That wiggle was the first thing I noticed vs my PDP Compact..
I’ve got a standard 365, 365xl, a custom macro, and a full custom 365xl build with everything you can throw at it. From one ginger to another, the full custom is all metal and has no wiggle with or without the mag inserted. PS. made my own tigger shoe and trigger bar and replaced every single spring in the gun. No take up, and a super crisp 2.7lb break with forceful short reset. It’s my little striker fired Sig-ccato XC 🫡 you guys would’ve loved it
I've heard the pin with firing, tends to wobble out the hole on the aluminum frame. May be the cause with the movement of the fcu. I have about 600 rounds on mine so far no wobble. If it does, I'm selling it.
that wobble is a no go. I was thinking about trading up from the macro but I think I'll stay put
THANKS DEVON!
It'll loosen up until you literally have to shake it while pulling the trigger to get it to fire... there's several videos on here about it. I know ChrisTV & GHG Hustle made one a while back showing it happening to theirs.
I like that SIG has made the AXG legion, mostly because they FINALLY caught up to companies like Mischief Machine and Icarus Precision by offering an aluminum frame option for people who like a little more weight.
Personally I have no use for the comp slides that everyone is so enamored with right now, I'd rather have a longer barrel for better velocity and ammo performance, and it's also impossible to suppress a comp'd gun. Shalotek has me more interested than anyone else with their "XXL" length slides withe either a 4.1" flush-fit barrel or a 4.7" threaded barrel.
Full size gun characteristics in a gun that's still slimmer than a compact, I'm highly intrigued, swap slides and my EDC that I carry IWB can go in a retention holster on my belt for use with my carrier in training.
Same gun, same handling, just more barrel and velocity (and potentially suppressed) I dig it
I have a 365x with around 3300 rounds through it. Slide to frame play is about the same as when i got the gun. That rattle in the video sounds more like the FCU than the slide on the frame. I think the biggest difference is that metal grip because the tolerances have to be a little bit higher and that is going to be more apparent as you shoot the gun more. With the polymer frame there is flex and the tolerances can be very small. All that being said, that rattling does not sound normal lol
8:00 same thing happened to mine. Check were the fcc mates in the front of the frame. The fcc may have worn away the lips were it seats in the front of the frame to cause that sloppiness. Its a really bad design flaw for the p365 in general that no onw seems to talk about.
Yea it’s jacked. Took the FCU out and reinstalled and it’s still smoked
I don’t know man…a cz p01 all dressed up with a decocker. I’ll take that any day.
Thats apples to oranges
@jeremyread261
Yep. Not even a close comparison there.