Great comparison. Laughed at this too as I have a 22 Chief Darkhorse and wear the same vans and flannel. Never knew it was a Dyna bro costume til now lol.
I think its a really great stock set up from the factory. One of the only bikes I've seen that you could just put an exhaust on and call it good. Just surprised they didn't put a stock purse on it as well
The LRS is definitely not a better value. The Indian gives you so much more for your money. However, the dealer network, the aftermarket, the LOOKS, and it’s a Harley Davidson at the end of the day. If I was starting over, I might actually buy that Indian, but as it is, I’m keeping my LRS till the day I die.
I agree, while it would be nice if Harley offered those type of parts upgrade stock, I’m still keeping the LRS. I think the aftermarket support of Harleys is a huge advantage for those that like to mod their bikes
I like the point on the dealership network. I'm learning from my Vanderhall experience that dealership network is huge. This is probably one of the first Indian bikes that's caught my eye.
A good dealership network can really make or brake your vehicle experience. Indians making some waves this year for sure, too bad I can’t say the same about Harley this year
Great assessment IronBorn, it's nice to have 2 great choices if you're shopping this category. I have a 2022 Chief DarkHorse and love it, it's cool to see the Chief Sport and ALL the great upgrades that are standard, what a deal! I'm happy with my bike tho, but I'll probably be adding a set of those new risers. They look great!
Good video. I agree I would give the Indian a chance if I was in the market. However the one thing you forgot to mention is the aftermarket support, the Low Rider S is ridiculously popular so there are so many parts, even when compared to other Harley models like the Fat Bob (a superior bike IMHO) that’s huge, unfair advantage
Good point, and I know that aftermarket support matters a lot. But I don't know if it tips the scales for me in favor of the LRS. I'm really jealous of the infotainment display on the chiefs, I think that's so useful. I hate having to use my phone
Indian picks actual riders to do the marketing advertising. Some even had CZcams channels before becoming picked as ambassadors for the brand. With that said the look is actually authentic. I love both bikes and you’re correct about the upgrades. I have a couple months to decide witch one I’ll buy!
The Chief platform already won a Big Twins cup, this will be an even better base chassis. Indian seems to be doing their talking with trophies, while HD does theirs with T Shirts. Nice getting a bike right out of the box thats basically what HD straight up spit in people's faces with killing off. It really has a nice set up for a stock 20k bike. I love the FXR, but its cool to see something for the market like this.
These two bikes are so similar on paper most people could flip a coin and be happy with the result. For me, the LRS is simply iconic in it’s West Coast styling. There’s something to be said about the extras that come stock on the Sport Chief, but it’s not about what each bike reflects on paper. These things are mechanical works of art, and the LRS just looks cooler, especially in the new white sand Pearl color for 2023. Plus the bigger gas tank, slightly more powerful engine, and dope bronze allow wheels. I’ll have mine until the day I die!
They put a 5 gallon tank on the sport chief I'm sold I will leave harley. Harley not putting electronics and modes, dual calipers, and still putting light bulbs in the turn signals in 2023 says everything to me that the ceo is out of touch and should go back to selling shoes. I'm digging that faring different and bad A$$
Even without the 5 gallon tank, I might take the sport chief. The fact that Indian is putting out this level of motorcycle at the same price as the LRS says a lot
@IronBornRider I agree just laying down miles would definitely be nice with that 5 gal. But 100% agree indian is making some great moves and passing herley and I'm a harley guy lol
@fvgc454ss count how many scoots harley is still putting out with single disk dual pistons. Let's see the maybe some 2023 future shit like GPS ride modes. Love my harley always have but man your in 2023 come on they can do better. And the price outrageous period
I will still go for the HD Lowrider S because it has less tech, I just wish the price would reflect that. for me I do not want ABS, or tech that controls traction leanangles reading a map. less things to fail and less weight. I bought a 2018 Kawasaki Zed 900 naked because of this reason the newer models that have all that are 14 pounds more. I still will try a chief Dark horse if They will do drag bars. as far as brembo brakes I never had any issues with stock disc systems on my susukis or my kawasakis, no I do not do track days but plenty of highway riding. For me it will be the HD Breakout, if I can find one in the next month. thank you for the review.
I'm not a fan of the Sport Chief's looks - the fairing alone just looks weird to me. But it's for sure a copy of the Harley, and we'll see how it does in sales. Rider modes are cool - I'd love to have that on my Street Glide :D
I love both bikes honestly- both rode fantastic and are almost mechanical art really. I ended up with a Chief Bobber 111 mostly because of the more vintage look and feel and who’s kidding who, price was a little better at 15k here in Diego. Indian really does not at dealer mark up like Harley, but Harley can because, it’s Harley. As far as upgrades, yes there are definitely limitations right now but I was still able to stage 1 it with a performance round intake(the big scoop one hits my knees as I’m 6’3). Added a set of Dean Speed Rampage pipes and Saddleman 2up. The Indian F****n rips! I honestly couldn’t be happier except maybe a set of Fox piggy backs later on. In the end, should I have dropped the coin for the Sport Chief, maybe- but customizing my bike has been fun and it’s unique for me- great review and your takeaway on the Dyna-bro marketing is a little true but… that is who I see riding thes style of bikes, Harley shovels, pans, and new bikes as well as Indian bikes, I see Dyna-Bros on Challenger baggers out here, so it is what it is-
When seeing both bikes in person the appearance of the bikes are quite different. The monoshock on the Lowrider is hidden from view versus the beefy twin shocks on the Indian. While both bikes put out about the same numbers the Thunderstroke 116 looks massive compared to the M8 117. The Lowrider S has a much sleeker look versus the Chief but beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Harley needs to step it up as far as the display is concerned. It is the 21st century so adding GPS, digit tach and other functionality to the display shouldn't be that much of a challenge.
Mate . Harley is also using Brembo but they pay higher to put HD font on the calipers. Harley stands out from others always. There should be a signature “Bybre” somewhere on those Harley calipers.
@@IronBornRider Np mate. I have also noted Indian motorcycles parts are very expensive when compared to HARLEY. Not a surprise. It’s the law of large numbers.
both bikes look great , i think as an outsider , i would probably get the indian due to the spec and price combo. on the other hand all of the above can be bought for way less money just by looking at other manufactures . purity of origin and fabrication is long gone ,so why pay double for a sticker.that's just me of course
lowrider s lists 18,199 but getting a non-black w/ abs and basic safety (wtf, an option in '23?), freight and market surcharge adds >17% to the list. other premium makes (i.e. BMW & Triumph) will cost you less than half that % over the sticker with a whole F load of more options standard on the bike. i suspect indian is more like HD in their misleading price advertising.
I really wish Harley-Davidson would move on from the boomers and their outdated thinking and just integrate their TFT and related tech into the Low Rider S. "Hurr durr...I don't want tech because less things to fail." Okay boomer, something that can fail is better than something that isn't there in the first place. "Hurr durr...I don't like tech because reasons." Okay boomer. ABS, fuel injection, the ECU, are all "tech" buddy. To me Harley-Davidson has the better bike with the Low Rider S by virtue of the bigger gas tank, rear mono-shock, and I think the 117 M8 makes more torque and HP than the 116 Thunder Stroke. But it's really lame of Harley to charge extra for installing ABS, all LED lighting, or cruise control. That stuff should just be standard for what that bike costs.
i own a 2020 Harley Low RIder S. Bought it used w/about 1000 miles on odomer in 2021. Love the bike. Took off the fairing and added a regular windshield for better wind protection ect. Added front mustaf rash bars, Rear quick release rear rack w/back rest, Saddlemen Strep up seat. Plan on replacing stock mufferlers w/Cobro NH Slip ons and add passenger pegs and an upgraded dual horn. Also added a set of Hard Viking Saddle Bags. Just saying ,,, God Bless
I do wonder if Indian is thinking about expanding their network system. I have to go out about 60-100 miles to get to an Indian dealer and if I do their inventory is limited.
I would add on the parts thing, there are options for most anything you want to upgrade, change, etc...just from fewer vendors. No comparison to HD options but that is growing as well.
Specs aside, I value saddlemen, Memphis shades, thrashin supply, leather pros… I love the Harley aftermarket… sure, you could get more out of the box but the quality isn’t the same…
You hit on all the points!!! It’s like marvel copying dc. Characters…. Unfortunately Indian will never have that genuine Harley nostalgia… sport chief does. Offer more but again. It will never beat the Harley brand
Agree, nearly every comment I’ve read on social media is “cool Harley…I mean Indian” lol. Indian knows that if they’re going to copy Harley at least offer a better package to compete.
I will not discuss about copycats because Indian's owners can argue more exclusivity and better value for the money. The main problem is that owning an old 2002 HD Night Train and a 2023 Indian CDH y still prefer to ride the HD ergonomics wise and i can not change this because Indian has virtually no after market parts to satisfy my needs
Indian can't copy Harley as they did it all first and are just coming back to the market. The old scout and chief etc... was... and the Sport Chief is more like the old Dyna. The Dyna was a beefier Sportster.
@@IronBornRider the last 10 years I've been riding a Harley. I love my Harley. But, the Indian is fresh and I'm seriously considering making a Chief my next bike. Until recently, Indian had incorporated technology advancements where Harley was not moving forward. Harley has just stepped up to the plate with the new liquid cooled Sportster which comes with the touchscreen digital dash, lean angle sensor, traction controll, anti-lock breaks. This does make the decision much harder. The Chief doesn't have quite the tech the new Sportsters do. However, I'll probably stick with the Chief. I have a bit of a bad taste in my mouth towards Harley due to the issues with oil coming out of the rocker box breather bolts from negative pressure due to high speeds. I've had enough of oil being down the side of my bike and on the girls, wh ride with me, pants and shoes.
No bias as he wears a Harley hat lol ok The sport chief is a better bike period and he can’t even deny it. I’ve ridden both and the sport chief feels way better
«Dyna bro costume from a halloween store»🤣
Lol. Indian should throw in a pair of vans with every chief sport
Great comparison. Laughed at this too as I have a 22 Chief Darkhorse and wear the same vans and flannel. Never knew it was a Dyna bro costume til now lol.
@@pnorva I also wear vans and flannel so I was a little triggered at the commercial lol.
The gear drive in the primary of the Indian by itself makes it superior to the Harley.
I think its a really great stock set up from the factory. One of the only bikes I've seen that you could just put an exhaust on and call it good. Just surprised they didn't put a stock purse on it as well
If it’s not stock it’s not jawn
Thrown in a Fanny pack. Vans of course
Stock purse?
@@dylancoric1194 it's a running joke between us. Motojawns earlier video was "best upgrade for a sportster" and it was the side saddlebag lol.
The LRS is definitely not a better value. The Indian gives you so much more for your money. However, the dealer network, the aftermarket, the LOOKS, and it’s a Harley Davidson at the end of the day. If I was starting over, I might actually buy that Indian, but as it is, I’m keeping my LRS till the day I die.
I agree, while it would be nice if Harley offered those type of parts upgrade stock, I’m still keeping the LRS. I think the aftermarket support of Harleys is a huge advantage for those that like to mod their bikes
I have a sport chief, and I agree with this fellow's comment.
Good decision. Love my '23 117 LRS. CR483 cam and exhaust. Ran 1/4 mile- 11.45@116. Not bad for 700lbs. Yes? Dig it..........
I like the point on the dealership network. I'm learning from my Vanderhall experience that dealership network is huge. This is probably one of the first Indian bikes that's caught my eye.
A good dealership network can really make or brake your vehicle experience. Indians making some waves this year for sure, too bad I can’t say the same about Harley this year
Great assessment IronBorn, it's nice to have 2 great choices if you're shopping this category.
I have a 2022 Chief DarkHorse and love it, it's cool to see the Chief Sport and ALL the great upgrades that are standard, what a deal!
I'm happy with my bike tho, but I'll probably be adding a set of those new risers. They look great!
Appreciate the kind words. I really respect what chief is doing in terms of features and pricing. I wish my Harley had an infotainment system 😭
@@IronBornRider I'm guessing Harley will incorporate the TFT from the Sportster S at some point
Good video. I agree I would give the Indian a chance if I was in the market.
However the one thing you forgot to mention is the aftermarket support, the Low Rider S is ridiculously popular so there are so many parts, even when compared to other Harley models like the Fat Bob (a superior bike IMHO) that’s huge, unfair advantage
Good point, and I know that aftermarket support matters a lot. But I don't know if it tips the scales for me in favor of the LRS. I'm really jealous of the infotainment display on the chiefs, I think that's so useful. I hate having to use my phone
The Sport Chief already has all the add-ons.....jump on and ride. What else would you need?
I love the infotainment screen on the Indian. I was hoping Harley would change in 2023 but... 😅
AKA- Indian just busted Harley’s ass with this one.
Indian picks actual riders to do the marketing advertising. Some even had CZcams channels before becoming picked as ambassadors for the brand. With that said the look is actually authentic. I love both bikes and you’re correct about the upgrades. I have a couple months to decide witch one I’ll buy!
The Chief platform already won a Big Twins cup, this will be an even better base chassis. Indian seems to be doing their talking with trophies, while HD does theirs with T Shirts.
Nice getting a bike right out of the box thats basically what HD straight up spit in people's faces with killing off. It really has a nice set up for a stock 20k bike. I love the FXR, but its cool to see something for the market like this.
These two bikes are so similar on paper most people could flip a coin and be happy with the result. For me, the LRS is simply iconic in it’s West Coast styling. There’s something to be said about the extras that come stock on the Sport Chief, but it’s not about what each bike reflects on paper. These things are mechanical works of art, and the LRS just looks cooler, especially in the new white sand Pearl color for 2023. Plus the bigger gas tank, slightly more powerful engine, and dope bronze allow wheels. I’ll have mine until the day I die!
Na brother, lean angle on sport chief is 29.5 degrees, lean angle on FXLRS is 31.3 degrees.
I stand corrected
And that is even one more degree than the other Chiefs
They put a 5 gallon tank on the sport chief I'm sold I will leave harley. Harley not putting electronics and modes, dual calipers, and still putting light bulbs in the turn signals in 2023 says everything to me that the ceo is out of touch and should go back to selling shoes. I'm digging that faring different and bad A$$
Even without the 5 gallon tank, I might take the sport chief. The fact that Indian is putting out this level of motorcycle at the same price as the LRS says a lot
@IronBornRider I agree just laying down miles would definitely be nice with that 5 gal. But 100% agree indian is making some great moves and passing herley and I'm a harley guy lol
Dude! We are on the same page, I tried to articulate their marketing attempt in a parody, lol. So much cheese!
@fvgc454ss count how many scoots harley is still putting out with single disk dual pistons. Let's see the maybe some 2023 future shit like GPS ride modes. Love my harley always have but man your in 2023 come on they can do better. And the price outrageous period
very helpful, thank u.
No problem. I also have a demo of the sport chief on my channel
I will still go for the HD Lowrider S because it has less tech, I just wish the price would reflect that. for me I do not want ABS, or tech that controls traction leanangles reading a map. less things to fail and less weight. I bought a 2018 Kawasaki Zed 900 naked because of this reason the newer models that have all that are 14 pounds more. I still will try a chief Dark horse if They will do drag bars. as far as brembo brakes I never had any issues with stock disc systems on my susukis or my kawasakis, no I do not do track days but plenty of highway riding. For me it will be the HD Breakout, if I can find one in the next month. thank you for the review.
Thanks for the input joe! I agree, some of their bikes should reflect a more stripped down tech package.
I'm not a fan of the Sport Chief's looks - the fairing alone just looks weird to me. But it's for sure a copy of the Harley, and we'll see how it does in sales. Rider modes are cool - I'd love to have that on my Street Glide :D
Also has better brakes, chassis and suspension then the HD!
I love both bikes honestly- both rode fantastic and are almost mechanical art really.
I ended up with a Chief Bobber 111 mostly because of the more vintage look and feel and who’s kidding who, price was a little better at 15k here in Diego. Indian really does not at dealer mark up like Harley, but Harley can because, it’s Harley. As far as upgrades, yes there are definitely limitations right now but I was still able to stage 1 it with a performance round intake(the big scoop one hits my knees as I’m 6’3). Added a set of Dean Speed Rampage pipes and Saddleman 2up. The Indian F****n rips! I honestly couldn’t be happier except maybe a set of Fox piggy backs later on. In the end, should I have dropped the coin for the Sport Chief, maybe- but customizing my bike has been fun and it’s unique for me- great review and your takeaway on the Dyna-bro marketing is a little true but… that is who I see riding thes style of bikes, Harley shovels, pans, and new bikes as well as Indian bikes, I see Dyna-Bros on Challenger baggers out here, so it is what it is-
When seeing both bikes in person the appearance of the bikes are quite different. The monoshock on the Lowrider is hidden from view versus the beefy twin shocks on the Indian. While both bikes put out about the same numbers the Thunderstroke 116 looks massive compared to the M8 117. The Lowrider S has a much sleeker look versus the Chief but beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Harley needs to step it up as far as the display is concerned. It is the 21st century so adding GPS, digit tach and other functionality to the display shouldn't be that much of a challenge.
Mate . Harley is also using Brembo but they pay higher to put HD font on the calipers. Harley stands out from others always. There should be a signature “Bybre” somewhere on those Harley calipers.
You’re right. I had no idea Harley licensed brembos on their bikes, good call out
@@IronBornRider Np mate. I have also noted Indian motorcycles parts are very expensive when compared to HARLEY. Not a surprise. It’s the law of large numbers.
I like it but the small fuel tank is a deal breaker for me. My bike has a 4.5 gal so no going backwards for me, I would need a 5.
The sportster s came with an infotainment system so I don’t understand why the low rider s doesn’t especially the st
A lot of people were hoping that tech would make its way over to the softails….but we’re still waiting
The lean angle on the Harley is better by 1-2 degrees.
Love these bikes, but as a taller rider…coming from dirt bikes, I wonder how they’d fit me
Low rider s cheaper, but dealer mark up is a very real thing at Harley Davison. Last one I saw was 4k dealer mark up
This is true asf
both bikes look great , i think as an outsider , i would probably get the indian due to the spec and price combo. on the other hand all of the above can be bought for way less money just by looking at other manufactures . purity of origin and fabrication is long gone ,so why pay double for a sticker.that's just me of course
lowrider s lists 18,199 but getting a non-black w/ abs and basic safety (wtf, an option in '23?), freight and market surcharge adds >17% to the list. other premium makes (i.e. BMW & Triumph) will cost you less than half that % over the sticker with a whole F load of more options standard on the bike. i suspect indian is more like HD in their misleading price advertising.
Hp is 103 from hd 117
I really wish Harley-Davidson would move on from the boomers and their outdated thinking and just integrate their TFT and related tech into the Low Rider S.
"Hurr durr...I don't want tech because less things to fail."
Okay boomer, something that can fail is better than something that isn't there in the first place.
"Hurr durr...I don't like tech because reasons."
Okay boomer. ABS, fuel injection, the ECU, are all "tech" buddy.
To me Harley-Davidson has the better bike with the Low Rider S by virtue of the bigger gas tank, rear mono-shock, and I think the 117 M8 makes more torque and HP than the 116 Thunder Stroke. But it's really lame of Harley to charge extra for installing ABS, all LED lighting, or cruise control. That stuff should just be standard for what that bike costs.
I love early if I was in a market for a bike like this I get the spot chief. would not buy a Indian bagger
The Harley brand brakes are made by Brembo. Just have the Harley name. Do your research Bro.
Appreciate it. It’s tough being a CZcamsr
So why the change now. The new baggers say brembo and not Harley.
Your a Harley Fanboy…..
I’m one too though…
This doesnt speak to me like the buell. Fxlrs looks a lot better imo
Looks wise the low rider s all day
i own a 2020 Harley Low RIder S. Bought it used w/about 1000 miles on odomer in 2021. Love the bike. Took off the fairing and added a regular windshield for better wind protection ect. Added front mustaf rash bars, Rear quick release rear rack w/back rest, Saddlemen Strep up seat. Plan on replacing stock mufferlers w/Cobro NH Slip ons and add passenger pegs and an upgraded dual horn. Also added a set of Hard Viking Saddle Bags. Just saying ,,, God Bless
Problem is dealer network and prices for parts from Indian. Otherwise Indian would get a lot of Harley’s cake
I do wonder if Indian is thinking about expanding their network system. I have to go out about 60-100 miles to get to an Indian dealer and if I do their inventory is limited.
Think it depends where you live...here in SoCal there are 6 Indian dealers w/in 100 miles.
I would add on the parts thing, there are options for most anything you want to upgrade, change, etc...just from fewer vendors. No comparison to HD options but that is growing as well.
Specs aside, I value saddlemen, Memphis shades, thrashin supply, leather pros… I love the Harley aftermarket… sure, you could get more out of the box but the quality isn’t the same…
You hit on all the points!!! It’s like marvel copying dc. Characters…. Unfortunately Indian will never have that genuine Harley nostalgia… sport chief does. Offer more but again. It will never beat the Harley brand
Agree, nearly every comment I’ve read on social media is “cool Harley…I mean Indian” lol. Indian knows that if they’re going to copy Harley at least offer a better package to compete.
All they have are piles of trophies 🏆 what a bummer!
Lol yeah right Harley has been bailed out by the government so Many times it’s not even funny
@@IronBornRider they didn’t copy Harley they planned on this bike for years and frankly I think it’s much better then the low rider s
@@Sincity89103 they didn't copy Harley but it looks exactly like a Harley....your math is off
This is why I can’t buy Indian. Why buy a copy cat?
I will not discuss about copycats because Indian's owners can argue more exclusivity and better value for the money. The main problem is that owning an old 2002 HD Night Train and a 2023 Indian CDH y still prefer to ride the HD ergonomics wise and i can not change this because Indian has virtually no after market parts to satisfy my needs
Indian can't copy Harley as they did it all first and are just coming back to the market. The old scout and chief etc... was... and the Sport Chief is more like the old Dyna. The Dyna was a beefier Sportster.
I’d be curious to see if this draws any Harley riders over to Indian.
@@IronBornRider the last 10 years I've been riding a Harley. I love my Harley. But, the Indian is fresh and I'm seriously considering making a Chief my next bike. Until recently, Indian had incorporated technology advancements where Harley was not moving forward. Harley has just stepped up to the plate with the new liquid cooled Sportster which comes with the touchscreen digital dash, lean angle sensor, traction controll, anti-lock breaks. This does make the decision much harder. The Chief doesn't have quite the tech the new Sportsters do. However, I'll probably stick with the Chief. I have a bit of a bad taste in my mouth towards Harley due to the issues with oil coming out of the rocker box breather bolts from negative pressure due to high speeds. I've had enough of oil being down the side of my bike and on the girls, wh ride with me, pants and shoes.
It's obvious they're copying the LRS here.
Harley.Fanboy.
guilty
No bias as he wears a Harley hat lol ok
The sport chief is a better bike period and he can’t even deny it.
I’ve ridden both and the sport chief feels way better
Thats what I said. No bias but wearing a Harley hat lol.