Case 49: The Moors Murders (Part 3)
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[Part 3 of 3]
(A recap of part two)
Brady and Hindley continued their killing spree, murdering Keith Bennett on the 16th of June 1964, seven months after the murder of John Kilbride. Two months later Hindley’s sister Maureen married David Smith…
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The reason these Casefile podcasts are so good is that they put the victims at the forefront. And that would include David Smith. I mean the poor guy possibly saved further children from dying. Fantastic work guys.
Just finished all the parts, couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw your views and likes. Really great podcast, you deserve more recognition!
Hands down the best and most detailed deep dive into these awful murders i have seen or heard. Fantastic work on a horrendous case
How is everybody's problem with David and Maureen? Did I doze off and miss something? He was basically lured to a murder scene and had to lie his way out in order to not get killed himself and if it wasn't for him none of these murders would have come to light. He should have been given the key to the city and an award from the queen. People are truly idiotic
Because it was his word against theirs. He also stood and watched a 17 year old boy being murdered and didn't try and stop it.
@@anniejones5402 I understand...but I also have to wonder what exactly he could have reasonably done in that situation? If he HAD tried to stop Ian, then he most likely would have been murdered as well, and then nobody would have been able to turn in Brady & Hindley.
He was just a 16yo kid against a grown, murderous man with an axe, after all...
@@anniejones5402 Ian was already killing him when he walked into the room. Unless you have been in a situation like that it's impossible to say what you would or wouldn't have done. I'm sure the surprise and horror of the situation took him by surprise. And as others have said... if he did try to stop Ian what would have prevented Ian from attacking David next?
@anniejones5402 in his shoes, I'd have done the exact same. Played along... as against a crazed axe weilding murderer and his accomplice.... who could have escaped without risk of injury or death? David no doubt was also thinking of his family, too. I do feel sorry for him he was so under suspicion.
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This was really insightful, thank you! I especially loved the fact you didn't push your own thoughts and feelings out, just stated the facts. Well done!
I agree with you as so many of these push their on thoughts and feelings about the case on others
Cant believe they put hindley's ashes on the moor, so insensitive while little Keith's body is still there!
Her ashes were put at Mill Brook ( Stalybridge country park ) I remember the news at the time and had friends who lived on the main road saying they had put her ashes at the back . A place where Hindley liked to go as a kid apparently.
May the memories of those poor children be a blessing to all who knew and loved them. 💔
These are the best crime podcasts on you tube
Your podcasts are so well researched pal! I go to sleep listening to them. Ironically it's comforting. 😂
Snap!
Me too!! His voice is just so calming, I think he could speak about any topic and I‘d sleep like a baby😂
Me too🤭
Me too buddy...
Me too!
My partner can't understand how I could possibly find anything about such grim topics soothing, but for whatever reason, I find this podcast incredibly helpful when it comes to falling asleep!
Your story on this was wonderful. Really felt like I was there, as abhorrent as it was. You did a fantastic job. Thank you 💜
Excellently done, all three parts.
Thanks Shelley!
Yes indeed, outstanding detail
Can't tell you how many times I've fallen asleep to these podcasts. Something about the voice is soothing and relaxes me
I feel awful for David Smith. No good deed goes unpunished I guess :(
Horrible murders, you did warn us at the start. 😢 I’ve listened to other podcasts on these killers but yours covers so much more. The devastating effects the loss of these innocent children had on the families, was lifelong, heartbreaking. The trauma that the victims must have endured before their deaths at the hands of these two monsters was so hard to imagine. Well told.
A horrific story, told brilliantly.
Very good production. Thank you.
Thanks for this descriptive case.
Thank you for listening!
I love how Hindley denied several of the murders, even to her own family, but then when Brady decided to confess she suddenly was just *so* overcome that she needed to be hospitalized and put on tranquilizers! But then, once the cat was out of the proverbial bag, she quickly jumped on the bandwagon and, supposedly, became even *more* remorseful and willing to help the police identify burial sites.
IMHO, at least, this just shows that her claims of being a changed woman filled with remorse were most likely simply desperate bids to evoke sympathy (especially in prison reform advocates like Lord Longford) and gain release from prison. She seemed to be a very canny, savvy woman who was willing to do and say whatever she thought would be most helpful at gaining public sympathy and eventual release from prison. But I have to note that once she got her nice holiday from prison to the moors, she claimed to not remember anything really helpful. But my impression is that despite her ostensible change of heart, it was like pulling teeth to get her to actually make a anything resembling a full confession. And, even then, she was never entirely truthful, and seems to have refused to take full responsibility for her actions, and instead blamed Brady for being some sort of Svengali who controlled her actions.
That said, I do genuinely believe that if she had never met Brady, she likely would never have murdered anyone.
I think Hindley dissociated from her participation in the murders. That's how she coped, in a kind of internal denial.
It is revealing of her character that when her dad told her to hit the guy who bullied her in school, she went right ahead and beat him up.
Similarly, when Brady told her that murdering those kids was somehow OK, she went along with it. Although Brady groomed her for the role over time. Brady was a psychopath, no question. Hindley, I dont know.
Maureen also had problems, compounded by the murders.
They grew up with extreme violence and abuse from their father. That usually damages children in one way or another.
Hindley was also a psychopath, I would say just as bad as Brady, just less of a dominant personality. But she enjoyed the same depravities and lacked emotion during the desecration of the bodies. Also, she displayed many sociopathic traits. Changing like a chameleon to fit whatever Brady wanted, her morals shapeshifted like water, depending on who she was with. All she cared about was her public image.
Hindley is very manipulative. She's more outgoing than Brady, and more concerned with others perception of her. She lies a lot as well. She carefully curates events to look like she was just there for the ride, and not enjoying the murders and assaults on children as much as Brady...but if you look at everything and read etween the lines, she enjoyed her crimes and was not remorseful for them...only acting remorseful to maintain her well crafted public persona of a 'good girl" as helpful. Her sentiments are hollow, all it was is a performance. If it wasn't Brady, it would have been another man. The fact that she was so willing to punch out a kid and asked her father to teach her tells you that she is easily influenced, but without a conscience. And that makes her even more dangerous.
Brilliant presentation - thank you! (All 3 parts) Best explanation of the terrible events I have ever heard.
Found this channel and love
This story was just really hard to listen too. They were absolute monsters. Those poor kids. It’s sad there are people out there like them. I really was disturbed listening to this.
Why in the world did it take her 20 years in order to come clean??!
She was near to getting parole. Brady was not having that so she coughed before he could.
Because Brady dropped her in it.
He was fed up with her protests of innocence in order to get out.
@@melgrant7404 Precisely .
Exactly.
I don't buy that she was as changed and remorseful as she claimed.
Very detailed 3 parts! Such a horrible case and my heart goes out to the family members who are still alive. Great job casefile! I’m glad I subscribed to this channel/podcast. I would love to hear your intake on the Skylar Neese case if you decide to do it. Have a great day!
Aaah, the delicious suffering of these 2 monsters is music to my ears.
It is so reprehensible that the prison service made great efforts to let Hindley be at her mother's death. None of the victims had that blessing.
Poor Winnie and family...please God some day, that precious child will be found and given a proper burial...rest in peace to all the children who were murdered at the hands of these evil, straight from hell people..❤❤❤🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
These podcasts are awesome I have my whole team at work listening...fyi this case was mentioned in the new Netflix series "Don't F@@@ with cats: hunting an internet killer"
In some ways Hindley was worse than Brady. This is truly a sad case
I love casefiles because they go into the story a lot deeper then most other series. this one about Hindley and Brady was absolutely brilliant id always thought they were evil monsters dont get me wrong they were evil monsters but human and the way it ruined the victims families and the families of Brady and hindly was very sad 😢thank you casefile😢
I feel so bad for David Smith. He was truly a hero, unfairly vilified only due to the public's misunderstanding. If he wasn't in this story, more children would be dead. But he had to go through losing his wife and jail stints because of the abuse aimed at him.
And Ann never apologized for her actions against him despite him being the reason the murders stopped and she was able to give her daughter a proper burial.
She also never apologized for assaulting his heavily pregnant wife who had done nothing wrong.
The fact that the three life sentences were ordered to be served concurrently, not consequentially, baffles me.
It would have made moot of any plans by the POS to apply for parole; it would have reassured the victims' families that their tragic losses were respected, and would have meant that nobody could doubt that Hindley and Brady would die in prison.
I know that "whole of life" sentences are rare in England, but there must have been a lot of concern since hanging had so recently been abolished. After all, the law changed in the interval between murders and arrests, and the trial commencement. I'd think there must have been a lot of public frustration about that.
I am also gob smacked that the POS were allowed to correspond at all. They used a primative and basic code to sexually arouse each other that was not discovered until Hindley spoke about it, after 6+ years of writing. That demonstrates that it was not permitted in the hope of them sharing memories. That would be the only excuse, imo--that authorities were extremely watchful because they hoped for details about the other murders, and where those victims were buried.
so intense horrific heartbreaking. aughh. thanks for your sensitive exhaustive and excellent work.
first time i heard all 3 storys of the moors murders i was felling sick
Poor David getting chased through the streets
This series was excellent.!
Well done!!! I couldn’t stop listening... What a story...and so well told. Thank you/
Great work!
Evil, evil, evil.
What on earth is going on with that Lord Longford schmuck?
My sense is that his heart was genuinely in the right place, but that he was just a rather gullible, idealistic man? He fell for Hindley's "changed woman" line of bull because he wanted so badly to believe that even the most heinous murderers could change.
I don't know if he was a schmuck so much as he was simply gullible and lacking in common sense. But YMMV, of course!
Little off topic, but my favorite part is where the Narrator actually uses the term "Dog Shit."
What was that guitar music sound called at the end?
Amazing buddy excellent work. How about Fred n Rose west
I am so sorry for the Smiths. They were very courageous and punished for their bravery by an ignorant public. They should have been better protected. But l suppose l am speaking with the advantage of hindsight!!!
14:30 aw bless - see back then people did see buttons on and fix torn clothes “darn your socks” etc now people Chuck them away and get new - that’s why we are known now as a throw away society - sad really 😞
You're really sad.
And your comments aren't worth reading.
Chuck you away.
I always mend my clothes. Really worth it.
@@vicguy1710no you sad
Blows my mind how David & his wife were treated!!! If it wasn't for him, more innocent kids would have been killed, very sad that he had to suffer so much for doing the right thing. Do these ignorant people realize that if he would have tried to stop Brady that night, he would have been the 2nd body alongside Edward??!?
Also i can understand some trying to get more info out of Hindley but u have to understand, these types will NEVER tell the whole truth!!! U really have to wonder if some that were trying to help her get out were sickos themselves...😵💫🥴🙄🙄
Am I awful that everytime you mentioned them being beat in prison made me smile? 😏
No. It's not your run of the middle bullying, it's prison justice. Justice for the children that their parents couldn't get.
They should've just waterboarded them until they gave up the locations.They both knew.
14:14 🥺😭😭😭😭😭
Murdering bastards but in a very well researched and narrated. Tastefully done
Taste fully written an narrated. I enjoy listening during my nights if I carnt sleep . It's a lot scarier when the stories are true .
Wow! Not sure if you’re aware but this has been copied almost word for word by Stephanie Harlowe in May this year 😵
@Chontelle Berting...that's not quite true! I listened to Stephanie Harlowe's a few months ago, and while she always puts maximum research into each and every case, her version of this partucular case wasn't a patch on this one. I can honestly say that having listened to both, I never once thought they were very similar. Both are excellent and both go into great detail on different areas of the case. Stephanie went into more detail about Brady and Hindley's upbringing and home life, whereas not so much about the trial...unlike Casefile.
@@MissLibra-ce8qe I agree and that’s really bad that this persons making out Stephanie is copying!!
Huh! I listened to hers and this one, and didn't get the sense that Stephanie was copying. But YMMV, I suppose?
Evil evil evil
Wonder why the pope didn’t wanna visit I thought all them catholic priests and her would have loads to talk about 😱
Shut up.
@@vicguy1710 ditto
@@Jolenesmart1980 so original.
@@vicguy1710 like your reply
Like Pius XII. Thought Hitler was a saint.
She had a relationship with Rosemary West and they got in a fight about who was more infamous. I don't believe there's a remorseful bone in her body, not for a second.
Wow. I've read a lot about this case, but never heard that letter where she referred to one of the victims mothers with "disgust!" Awful, awful woman!
Also, plenty of people are horrendously abused and blackmailed, but somehow never seem to agree to participate in multiple child murders! I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying that excuse.
David Smith certainly liked under age girls didn't he 🙁
Your cat is the spit of one of mine the “freckle” on the nose etc :)
I was thinking the same thing! How old exactly was David when he started dating the 15 year old??
@@amandabrown4810 if my math isn't entirely off, he was 24 when he started dating her. He passed in 2012 aged 64, meaning he was born in 1948. Mary was 9 in 1966 during the trial, and they met officially in 1972, so yeah. When she was 15, he was nearly 10 years older than her. Really gross.
David is a hero. If it wasn't for his courage and selflessness, more children would be murdered. It's sad that all you can comment on is his dating life.
Unfortunately, he was a flawed person...as are we all. But my guess is that he was severely, perhaps even permanently, traumatized by the experience that Brady & Hindley put him through. Not forgiving or condoning his interest in young girls AT ALL...but I think it was undeniably due to his brave, courageous actions that Brady & Hindley were caught.
Seems like he was a damaged, flawed person who did some very good and very wrong things in his life.
Regarding the funeral of Maureen.. while Ann and John's father did appear and assault a woman it wasnt the police who tackled him. It was the friends and family of the woman he assaulted. He got the s**t beat out of him.
And Ann did NOT rip up any card because she was taken away at the same time Kilbride was being tackled. She stood by screaming like a lunatic bevause she knew she was about to get her junkie behind whooped too. She was escorted out alongside him.
She lied constantly in order to make money from the papers. She told magazines she looked Myra in the eye at the funeral despite the home secretary and warden stating Myra did not attend the funeral. Even when confronted with this she continued to lie.
Read the book her son Terry wrote. Ann was a mentally ill drug addict who neglected her children and only cared about money. Her "partner" who continues to jump on any documentary where he can pretend to be Leslie's father (he knew her less than a year) got with another crazy woman after Ann died. She was responsible for the deaths of Ann's son and granddaughter because she set the family house on fire. Alan, upon hearing of the fire and deaths, was more concerned with his dog.
Hinleys sister and brother inlaw suffered from the murders her sisters with drugs perhaps Ann was the same 😢
@user-gt8uf3nd9i yes, Maureen was assaulted by Ann while 9 months pregnant. For years Ann continued to trash her and David despite the fact that they stopped the murders and are the reason she was able to give Leslie a proper burial.
Sadly Maureen and David did turn to drugs and alcohol to cope. They were tormented by people who believed Ann that they were involved in the murders.
Ann on the other hand was already a drug addict and alcoholic before Leslie's murder. She was a biker chick who hung with a rough crowd, which is how she met Alan.
Longford would have given Himmler a break.