Stephen A.: LeBron will always be
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- Stephen A.: LeBron will always be #2️⃣ behind Michael Jordan 🐐 | First Take
Stephen A. Smith, Chris "Mad Dog" Russo and JJ Redick react to LeBron James becoming the NBA's all-time leading scorer and discuss the Michael Jordan-GOAT debate.
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There is nothing wrong with being only behind MJ lol.
There is nothing wrong with MJ being number 2
@@paulrodriguez2337 so which one is right?
@@paulrodriguez2337 there is nothing wrong with putting Kareem in front of MJ and LeBron see what I did there.
@@paulrodriguez2337 keep lying
@@phoenix6996 How?
When I was a 9 years old in 1990 I met MJ at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio.
We were in the same elevator. So long story short I asked him for an Autograph
When I saw him in the cafeteria. He said one thing I will never forget.
He said. “Hey little man I usually don’t do this but for I will and he said I hope u get better.
And remember you can do anything you want in life just do good in school you promise”.
I still have his autograph on a Napkin in a Fame.
Cool fam. I was 6 in 1990 and absolutely *IDOLIZED* MICHAEL JORDAN!
Yea that was before they killed his dad he was a lot more of a people’s person🤦🏽♂️
I always went against MJ since I liked under dogs... poor kid version of me lmao. Awesome story btw
I have a similar story about lebron. Except he told me to gtf away from him.
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby man I'm dead💀
MJ still the GOAT!!!
Cap
Nobody believes that MJ is the scoring champion 🤣 Lebron is then Kareem
- I didn’t know goats went 1-9 in the playoffs before getting Pippen. I think MJ retired twice though right? Y’all so blinded by hate that you can’t even appreciate that the NBA scoring record has been broken, something nobody ever thought would happen.
Duh 🙄
Only to oldheads and Niggas that listen to old heads 🤦🏾♂️
MJ and Lebron fans having a field day today. 🤣 🍿
Ikr n I'm a lebron fan but I'm not Fina debate with nobody mj is the goat 🐐 but by time lebron retire its goin to be hard if he wins another CHIP
@@wilsonharper8268 I’m a mj fan & Lebron is the goat 🐐
There is no field, never was
How. He still lost 6 finals
Not even about me being a Jordan or LeBron fan in particular. Most of the people who say Michael Jordan is the goat hated him for how much he dominated the league.
That standing and clapping thinderous ovation MJ got in Cleveland(LBJ's turf)at the all star game last year speaks volumes of how these two great players are viewed in the eyes of fans.
Plus MJ was the Alpha of a team that was and still is a dynasty.
LBJ of all teams he's been on has never been able to lead a team to any dynasty status but he's a GOAT. MJ is the GOAT of Goats
I appreciate LeBron’s talent in today’s NBA, but unfortunately people ignore the fact that LeBron sabotaged competition in the east and made it very easy for himself to go to the NBA finals. He ruined the competition by joining the heat. Then further hurt competition by leaving the heat when Dwade got older and Bosh got sick to play with a young Kyrie and then cried blood until the number one draft pick was traded for Kevin love. LeBron has never made anyone better. He plays with superstars, all stars and veterans. Young players, who depart from a LeBron lead team, become a better player, even an all-star.
@@tenthirty82 your right, not only does LeBron not make players better. He makes them worse. He did the same thing to Bosh and Love..made both of then become stretch 4's ..those all stars always had to adjust to play with him. LeBron is great at what he does but it's the same thing for 20 yrs..game never changed, improved, or expanded.
you a dummy. cavs fans dissed lagranny. and now they all goat. you cornball.
MJ not even in the GOAT CONVERSATION. Bird Magic Zeek all beat him like a drum 🥁 only people with low IQ thinks MJ is in the conversation. Smart people who can think 🤔 see you MJ fans as people who lost a lot of money on his shoes 😭 and by cheerleading for him make you feel like it's value in that 🤣😭 it's not. It's just a pity party
@@joesmith5097 bosh and love injuries derailed their careers. Not lebron if that was the case than they would of played better post lebron.
Records matter....as well as loses.
people only remember lebron's losses
@@MattGarcyaDC cause he only has 3.5 rings in a 20 year career with superteaming.
Jordan’s the undisputed GOAT. 2 3 peats. 6-6 in the finals, defensive player of the year and the resume goes on. Just cuz Lebron has the most points doesn’t make him the goat and he’s one of my favourite players
Michael Jordan is the GOAT. Imagine if he didn’t take the 2 years off to play baseball aswel
2011 happened. Mj never had a series remotely as bad. And he stacked the deck at that. Called out and outplayed by a role player, scolded by d wade like a big little brother🤣End of discussion.
He also got outscored by Bosh that series
Bro had one bad series in 21 seasons of basketball. That doesn’t disqualify him from the goat conversation.
Facts! MJ always goat!
Wouldn’t call it a done deal but yea rn it’s MJ
How is it MJ?
@@adamdalmer4595 33 a playoff game and better on Defense. MJ is him… Bron career is more “fun” though he ain’t retire and stuff,
MJ is 3 time quitter
Unless he can erase those 6 losses. Otherwise it’s done deal
@@adamdalmer4595 2 Rings, 1 MVP, 2 FMVP’s, 9 scoring titles, 1 DPOY, 3 All-Defense teams is the resume difference. That’s literally a HOF resume
Lmaooooo LeBron getting more thrash talked, then celebrated 😭😭😭
Ofc bec he put that ALL by himself with these stupid dumb statements the last 8 years of him self promoting himself of something he's not or being close ever to be.
Real fans see this REALITY.
He doesn't!
Im 33 and seen the NBA Draft 03' at 13 yrs old. he is the most hyped player to ever play in the nba. to me after he won the scoring title he has the best career of any athlete i ever seen. but i never liked him for what he did (coming to my fav player Dwade's team to win a ring) and not being able to take matter into his own hands like Kobe or MJ. so to simply put he wont ever be in front of Jordan because HE DOESNT HAVE THAT DAWG IN EM
MJ is the greatest!!!
@BuzzinFromda4z I got kobe over lbj still
Jordans game was just so much better than anybody else. The totality of his game was the best ever. No flaws at all. Almost everything was a strength. Best athlete ever. Best competitor ever. Best offensive player ever by far and arguably a top 5 defensive player. For sure the best non big defender by far. Rings have to do a lot with a lot. So do stats but Your game is your game. Jordan was the best ever. By far. Like a rich mans Kobe (who is top 5ish). On a Vacuum as far as the individual player goes - Jordan got no rivals. He was like a 99 player on 2k but on real life. If you ever watched him play at any capacity - you would 100% agree with me.
Bro, you are seriously delusional and retarded. I think MJ is the GOAT. But Michael Jordan was nowhere near the best offensive player ever by far. MJ was the best scorer, but virtually all the years he led the league in scoring, he led the league in shot attempts. His point guard skills were mid. His 3 ball was ridiculously inconsistent. Jordan is nowhere near the best non big defender. You are seriously delusional for this ridiculous take. Gary Payton was a better perimeter defender; Rodman, Pippen, Kawhi, Giannis, even prime Lebron were way more versatile than him. Jordan is nowhere near a top 5 defensive player. Not even Top 10. Bill Russell, Gary Payton, Wallace, even Giannis and are better defenders than him due to his versatility. Michael Jordan was essentially a smaller, but more athletic Klay Thompson with better stealing instincts on the defensive end.
Jordan's passing was trash and suspect from he 3. He had weaknesses he just drowned them with the rest of his game
I agree with you 💯! Now, I still give LBJ his props. I am actually a huge LBJ fan while holding MJ as the GOAT. Its fun. Ppl should try it.
Kobe had a deeper and more refined bag than Jordan and was a better defender peak-for-peak. Not to mention Kobe’s highs were better than Jordans. Jordan had flaws; he just benefitted from the era he played in to hide them and they weren’t analyzed like players in 2000’s are. Not to mention Bulls had the best team when they won. Jordan was great but y’all gloss over his shortcomings like they didn’t exist
Far and away is a stretch. The difference is very small. Which is why the debate is endless. If it was wide it wouldn't be this intense. It's not obvious like the difference between LeBron and Kobe. Now that is laughable. Kobe is one of the most overrated players of all time. Hugely overrated on defense. Just coasted and lived on name only after the 03 season. Was woefully inefficient as an offensive player. Killed his team with missed shots. Wasnt in the same league as MJ and Bron as a passer or rebounder.
Thank you for making your case so elegant and truthful
GREAT response to defend your position MD!!! 👌🏾
"This is LeBron's special day and I'm not gonna say anything bad about him.
EXCEPT..."
Exactly sounds hypocritical bec it is!
While LeBron also put this on himself so he have to deal with The harsh reality of truth even this he made history!
Lebron = greatness
Jordan = goatness
Breaks the scoring record and immediately makes it about Jordan.
Karl Malone is 3rd in scoring and has more pts that Jordan...does that make him better than Jordan?
@@sachinruparelia
No chips
Fun fact, if you watch the tape, Jordan told Steve Kerr to be ready for a pass because Jordan knew he was gonna get doubled teamed
With John Paxson, Jordan was again double team, who pass the ball to Scottie Who passed it to Grant who passed it to Paxson
@BuzzinFromda4z LEBLOAT Fans
It ain’t that…the only difference is that Jordan’s teammates came through and lebrons didn’t
If MJ played 20 seasons he’d score 44,663 points.
Unfortunately, he played 15 and one year he broke his foot was out the entire season and he played in the most physical era. He also played 82 games the majority of his career. If he played today, he would easily play 20 years and obliterate the scoring record in this extremely easy and less physical NBA.
Aside from his injuries (broke foot and knee) MJ only missed 7 games his whole career
If I hit the lottery I would be watching this clip.
Lebron the GOAT. Period
I’m 54, watched basketball since 76.
Oh. Don’t go rings. Bill Russell Owns 11 Rings
Nah he'll only get 40,000 stop the meat riding
We don’t operate on would’ve could’ve should’ve
If mj played 20 seasons? He'd easily score 50,000 points mark my words lebron fanghey
MJ and it still isn’t close
Jordan set up Paxson and Kerr. He wasn't bailed out. He recognized the team had more of a chance to win if he passed the ball in those moments.
After he drawn defense to him. Not just gave to them and not touching the ball for 1min.
Also if Kerr/Paxson didn’t make it they still have a game. Unlike the Ray Allen shot or the Kyrie shot they just gonna lose.
JJ Redick you 🤡 The Ray Allen shot was off of a rebound from Chris Bosh. Jordans was a drive and kick they’re setup for the shooter on the team its 2 different things 🤡
Lmao if Lebron was double teamed and he passed the ball yall would call him out for doing so. As much as hypocrites Lebron fans are, MJ fans don’t fall far from the tree lmao
Bruh that's like Bron every game, he uses his brain more and calculates faster than MJ but when he does it he gets hate for it while MJ it's "because the team has more chances of winning" lmao.
@@taepro64 were talking about the last shot in a finals game with miami heat it was a rebound not a setup shot for ray allen go do you research kid.
MJ
6-0 in Finals and MVP in all of them is literally all that has to be said. LeBron a beast but he’s had too many rough patches and had to hook up with the best in the NBA to get trophies
Finally a mj fan who I can respect good take none to disagree with
100% agree with this. I think what also gets overshadowed is that they always say MJ had Phil jackson as a coach, but Phil jackson and MJ were both climbing together when they were winning titles together.
Lebron literally had to team up with other top 5 other players to get his rings. Scottie was drafted by the bulls and Rodman was through a trade. The Only time MJ really teamed up was the dream team
So mj ain’t got rough patches he’s 1-9 in the first round 😭
@@RichPlaysLive. that’s a rough patch but not as big as not winning in the finals
@@jonahcooke406 not winning in the finals ? Use context to his finals loses getting swept TWICE in the 1st round is much worse
SAS speaking it true. Jordan is the 🐐 🏀🇬🇧
No it's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
It’s kind of ridiculous how we can’t appreciate greatness in peace without comparing or degrading one to elevate another etc. I’m just glad I have been able to witness a few all time greats like MJ, Kobe, Lebron etc. we will all have opinions but can we just agree and appreciate they are ALL all time greats.
As a Steph fan, I totally agree
Facts
@@jorgemells and Steph is definitely an all time great!!!
It’s really old mfs that keep on debating
Bra it's human nature u do it to just not with this topic everything is a competition bra
Congrats! Now he's in my top 5.
MJ.Kobe.Kareem.Duncan.Lebron
Lebron is not in my top 5
That Comeback Mad Dog Had For JJ was Beautiful 💯 like It Made him stfu & Couldn’t say nothing back . MIKE THE GOAT let’s be Fr
how tf did he shut him up when he made an abysmal point...he said game 6 lebron was horrible when lebron dropped 16 points and assisted on 6 more points to get them back in the game...tf i swear to god people just have selective memory when it comes to this guy.
@@phantomdancer3279 nothing selective about 6-0 with 6 finals MVP!!! Remember playing great in the season is why you get paid. Playing great in the postseason is were you make a name!!! No name bigger than MJ the Goat 🐐 6-0
@@phantomdancer3279 Did you not listen to how bad that point JJ tried to make?
@@phantomdancer3279 just like y'all use the 2016. selective memory, right?
@@solidsnake8331 no where near as bad as mad dog ones...he literally changed facts...if 16 points in a quarter let alone the 4th quarter plus 3 assists is supposed to be "terrible" then i dont know what great is.
Jordan, Kobe, Lebron in that order.
I ll sneak kareem in there and even duncan.
Dallas series alone eliminates him from goat debate. One of the worst performances and chokes in NBA history
And Jordan first round sweeps elimaates him so who’s the goat
@@kylexd5311 that was against the the best team in the league with 3 hall of famers. Plus MJ only played 18 games that season. LeBron didn’t even make the playoffs in his first 2 seasons in a time when the east was at its all time worst. Choking the finals with a super team that he assembled and promised 8 championships against a team with only 1 superstar. And if you want to think about another playoff collapse he would have been swept by the Suns in the first round in 2021 if CP3 didn’t get injured. You can’t seriously think someone is the goat when they got outplayed by Jason Terry 😂
@@BG.994 and james beat best team in the league and 73:9 team even thought they were down 3-1. Its an acomplishment to go to 6 finals, he lost 1 where he is favorite.
@@sinisabrajic8964 it’s more of a statement of the Warriors collapse just like the Falcons. Plus LeBron going to the Finals majority of the time wasn’t impressive when he had zero competition in the east and was on super teams
And you mean to tell me that MJ didn’t have the second best player on the planet at the time on the same team chill out
Just imagine if Jordan never took the two year gap baseball break. He would of been 8-0 in the finals, easy.
Idk if they beat the rockets in 94-95 🤷🏾♂️
You can’t just say that 😂. You gotta also factor that the break is what led to another three peat.
You really assuming they’d win 8 straight titles when Jordan himself said he was exhausted already after the second title. Plus they’d be facing the Hakeem rockets.
MJ the GOAT no debate
you can definitely call him the goat but saying it’s not a debate is kind of riding mJ coattails
MJ played against plumbers. Put any of the top 20 players right now in Jordan's era and watch them avg the same amount of points as him.
No it's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
There is a debate get off your knees
@@kmoney8201 it's been over since 2011
The younger generation can't comprehend how dominant Jordan was. LeBron is their only frame of reference.
Plus they are Lebron meat riders 😂
Exactly! Who are u goin to give the ball to win the game wit 5 seconds left?
Thats why I don't have this conversation with them. Those of us who watched Jordan and seeing LeBron now...well,they had to see Jordan. It's unexplainable.
@@manfromthepast thats all it is. you just had to see him MJ was a straight ASSASSIN. "He Will NEVER let you down" remember that kids.
They have no idea.
Bron really called himself the goat after a loss, whilst on his way to missing the playoffs for 3 straight years.
I guess he really plays for stats after all lol. Let's be honest it has always been about him instead of team success.
Haters
@@paulrodriguez2337 ain't no hating when your man cares more about calling himself the goat and breaking a record than actually winning the game last night or worry about how the team can potentially miss the playoffs again smh. The fact that all the all time greats have never called themselves or proclaimed themselves of being the goat. Imagine. Would you hate if Luka called himself the goat right now? Lol cause let's be honest that man got some goat career stats right now in points rebounds and assist and is only on his 5th over 27 points over 8 rebounds and 8 assists so far 🤷🏽♂️ and will only keep getting better. But hey I bet you will say is not about stats when y'all literally compare lebron's stats with anyone else's that he had beat on that category lol
@@tadeokrzos2550 Bill Russell 11 championships in 13 years I know your excuse that’s coming next. Jordan is picked as number 1 all time but that doesn’t make it true Luka can’t call himself the 🐐 he is just starting I don’t hate anyone who called themselves the 🐐 is only y’all haters I don’t care who calls himself the 🐐 Jordan had called himself the 🐐 do you remembered the video he saying who’s the greatest player of all time hmm stupid question 6 rings 6 FMVP he was calling himself the greatest lmaoooooo what about that but yes you will not hate on him you will said is ok because he is actually the 🐐 Jordan is not the only 1 Lebron neither also Lebron hasn’t called himself always the 🐐
@@paulrodriguez2337 nah, just a legit factual statement, sorry you dont like reality.
MJ is the 🐐
No one deserves to be compared to MJ. Period.
LBJ has played 338 more games than MJ, 1410 vs 1072. At 30.1 ppg, if MJ had played the same number of games, his total points would hypothetically be 42,466 points. MJ still GOAT in my playbook. Never choked in the ultimate stage of basketball, 6 for 6.
Great accomplishment by LBJ for sure, but MJ is my guy.
I can’t see guy who was getting swept in first round and fake retired and team won 2 less games the following year …and was pulled off magic in finals and phill had to put pippin on him the remainder of series….lebron left cavs they went from 61 wins to 19 following year but mj left bulls and they went from 57 wins to 55 the following year and was game away from eastern conference
MJ's career average would likely be lower if he played the same number of seasons as LeBron but you don't want to talk about that huh
@@jdub910 The wizards years brought his averages down but ok lol
@@NikoBellic20080 Yeah I know they did that's the point. If he had played even more years like from 1999-2001 he would not have been averaging 30 points per game through those seasons which would have further brought his averages down closer to Lebron's career average.
@Jdub you crazy...he would absolutely be averaging 30 ..he just won the championship in 1998...you think he would drop off considerly the next 2 years...
The disrespect on Kobe bryant smh...😤
Sorry to break it to you but kobe not even top 3
Congrats ESPN, on the night of Lebron’s historic achievement, you just have to take it away by talking about the LeBron MJ argument again🤦🏻♂️
That other dude was soooo extra 🤣
Jordan Kareem Kobe Lebron Shaq in that order
Lol Kobe is nowhere near. Jordan Lebron Kareem Russell Bird/Duncan
Right but if bron didn't went on that 16 points scoring streek that ray allen 3 pointer would of been useless.
stop that homie ...
Jordan was the type to go on a 16+ point scoring streaks AND STILL hit the game winner himself. The difference between #1 and #2.
@@aconfusedshoe6240 true but stop bringing jordan into this because this isn't a goat debate.
@@aconfusedshoe6240 then why’d he pass to Kerr and paxson 🤔
@@khaotickombat because they were double and triple teaming him, MJ made the right basketball play as you Lebron fans always like to say, only in this case MJ did it in non elimination games. MJ most likely would shoot the last shots if it was win or go home. We have seen too many times if you dont double MJ, you will lose.
Jordan in his era was so much better than everyyoneee else that it's just crazy. Tho I agree with JJ it's hard to compare diff eras, Russel, Kareem, Bron and ofc Jordan are ppl who dominated their era. For me I just can rank them with my bias, not in a matter of fact way.
MJ the goat word to these #5’s on my feet. 💯
More DPOYs, Scoring Titles and Rings. Buddy Bron better play 29 seasons
And less Rpg, apg, assist title, Allstars selection, chips with 3 different teams (including on the west), etc etc
Now name everything Lebron has that jordan don’t, it’s a long list so I’ll wait
@@martymcfly8449 nothing that matters tangible we don’t care that he hang around wayyy to long
Jordan era isn’t as competitive vs lebron era. Better teams Better Players. Plus it helps when u on the best team during the 90s and the greatest coach of all time…
@@martymcfly8449 exxxxxxxxxxxavtly!!! They can’t!!!! Bec they ignore Bron’s accomplishments and always being up MJ’s 6 rings smh the hate is real lol
Lebron never had a killer instinct.
JJ had to speak up for the wyte 3 point shooters. Love it
Exactly ray allen got lebron one ring, got another ring in strike shortened season against okc, shortened season during covid season.
Crazy how LeBron got 2 rings in 2 shortened seasons, btw the road to those were much easier and both finals him and his team won comfortably one in 5 games and the other in 6. The other 2 rings were in a longer and harder regular season and the irony is that both went to game 7s and it could have gone either way for both game 7s lol.
In what way does that give him an advantage? You just chatting. Everyone in the league played in a shortened season and Lebron has two of the hardest rings ever. Coming back 3-1 against the warriors and beating the spurs in 7 games in 2013.
Let’s say MJ didn’t take 2yrs off and still averaged 30.2pts a game let’s add that to MJ total that would be 37k pts and if he didn’t go to college and came in the league straight from HS and average 30.2pts a game for 3 seasons that’s another 7k points he would’ve crushed Kareem record and LBJ would still be chasing
No one told MJ to take 2yrs off, no excuses
@@mrcoolc6773 he doesn’t need a excuse he still the GOAT regardless of what you think and he didn’t lose 6 Finals go check your man record he seconded to Jerry West in All Time Losses in Finals 😂
@@ramonroberts6984 say it louder 😂😂😂
@@jumwill1456 say it louder ur moms a 2 dollar walmart hoe
When people say that Pax or Kerr bailed out Jordan is so ridiculous. Jordan created the opportunity and passes to Kerr and with Pax it was the team moving the ball. Ray Allen shot was after a lose ball rebound from an LBJ miss. That’s a huge difference.
Top 3 players in NBA history:
1) Michael Jordan
2) LeBron James
3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Yea, LeBron game evolved, but the game of basketball has devolved ....facts..
He’s scoring more points and so is the entire league.The avg points a game the last month is 115 a game.The league is catered to him which is why ratings are down
Exactly
I still pick the guy who owns 2 out of the only four 3 peats in NBA history, went 6-0 in the finals without ever playing a game seven, 6 finals MVP's along his 5 MVP's, DPOY while winning 10x CONSECUTIVE scoring titles, 2x dunk champ, owner of most win shares % in NBA history, created a dynasty, never load managed, etc, etc. 🐐 #23 👑👑👑👑👑👑
AGREED
Answer is NO. I don't remember anyone saying kobe was better when he passed MJ in scoring years ago
MJ always be a GOAT
I keep hearing LeBron being the better all around player but his defense isn't even top 10.
Preach!!!! 👏🏾👏🏾
the 10 scoring titles and 9 first team all defense selections along with winning a scoring title AND defensive player of the yr during and mvp season 1988 i believe or 87 close that conversation nicely
"no" lebron is NOT the all around player jordan was nor is he the winner jordan was
You never saw LeBron in his prime, in his prime he defended 1-5
@@carlosbellevue1994 1-9*😂
@@carlosbellevue1994 I been watching Lebron since 04 and I never seen him lock nobody up and or guarded the best players on teams and whenever he did he never really stopped anybody. Outside those chase down blocks Lebron fans love to give him credit for like it’s the end all be all 😄
Everyone has their own GOAT, whether it's Lebron or MJ, etc. Everyone has a say in this regard because we are entitled to our own opinions.
but being the leading top scorer is different. Our opinion doesn't matter here. Love him or hate him, Lebron is the current holder of this title.
To put it briefly, you can change someone's GOAT by telling them some BS, but you can't change the title holder unless you or another person breaks it.
There is only one GOAT, the one we all think when we hear the Word GOAT. Period
People gonna hate on Stephen A. even though he’s right
And you'll call any counter argument hate no matter how valid it is
Nobody hating on him lol
Stephen A is a certified clown, what are you even talking about? Bron or not ab him still
1-9 without pippen
MJ all the way!
It's Jordan. More scoring titles, MVPs, DPOY's, rings, all in less seasons.
It’s lebron but it will always be an argument. MVP’s aren’t exact because guys don’t get as many as they should. Jordan and lebron both should have more mvp’s.. voters don’t always get it right. Lebron top scorer and top 4 in assists. More rebounds than Jordan more playoff wins more blocks… lebron
But we all know Lebron should have more than he has. I’d argue he was the MVP from 2010-2019. Literally the only MVP in the 2010s that deserved the award was Steph.
Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Jokic, and Giannis all we’re gifted MVP’s for big stats.
To be fair about Paxton and Kerr, the comparison is not that your teammates help you. It's more that your teammates help because you are not showing up. When Allen bailed LeBron, he wasn't showing up. But MJ was, he just didn't take those shots, his teammates did. It's still a team sport at the end, but in the big moments you want your greatest player to show up
As a guy who says Jordan is the goat it's hard for me to get behind this argument only because in that 4th quarter "he didn't show up" he scored or assisted on 22 of the teams 30 points yea Ray hit the clutches shot ever but we should credit Ray not discredit LeBron....let me know what you think though
LeBron ain't even on Kobe level, I'm not a Kobe fan
The discomfort on Steph and Mollys face is HILARIOUS 😂 “if I wanted somebody to come by and entertain my kids for 20 mins” lmao WHAT? You want Bron to shuffle and do a little dance too boss?! 😂😂😂😂
NUMBER 2 FOREVER MJ WILL ALWAYS BE THE TRUE GOAT 🐐 💯
Lebron 🐐
@@anthony91688how
@@anthony91688 nope
@@anthony91688 I got kobe over lbj
there is no competition its Jordan and then everyone else
Jordan is good at gambling not basketball
Curry> Jordan
@@4ktkaram395 are u serious
Ur brain should get checked out dude
Maybe u can get a disability card
@@TheTopshottasound curry> Jordan I said what I said Jordan has no skills like curry
Top 5 all time
1.Bron
2Kobe
3 Shaq
4Kareem
5 curry
6 MJ
Jordan was also the better rebounder when you consider the Position Shooting Guard vs Forward. *Jordan is the 3rd best shooting Guard in rebounds per game in NBA history.* But Lebron is NOT the 3rd best Forward in rebounds, not even top 10.
mj = goat
lb = greatest long lasting player
Jordan has 6 Championships (2 three peats) 6 Finals MVPs no finals losses, 1 DPOY award, 5 MVPs, 10 scoring titles, all of this in 14 years.
VS
LeBron has 4 championships (6 losses) 4 finals MVPs, 4 MVPs, all time turnover leader, all time leading scorer, no DPOY, 1 scoring title, all this in 20 years.
simple logic is forbidden to the bronsexual cult
😂😂😂😂 and people try to celebrate this man like God 💀 (LeBron)
Plus that era was more rough and there were far better players then there were now
MJ scored more points in his rookie season than Lebron did in his best season, case closed.
It's true..I do think MJ is the best but it's true that u can't compare because rules were different pace everything..so of course numbers gone be different for Kareem MJ and LeBron
Can we say LeBron is the best statistically but MJ it’s the Greatest? This argument is really getting old.
Lebron played longer. But minus all of what Jordan has won, to what Lebron has won and Jordan is still a whole Hall of Fame career better than James. If we are judging someone by the amount of points, Karl Malone is third all time, and he isn’t even the best power forward of his era 🤷🏻♂️
I wonder why could it be Jordan decided to gamble or play baseball or couldn’t commit to the bulls for a longer period or the nba for a longer period
Thais is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen someone say 🤦♂️
Nobody but yourself pointed out people supposedly using ONLY total points to rank players being the GOAT. Stop using false arguments to rationalize your bs reasonings on whoever the goat is.
Your just talking about peak vs peak, and even in those peaks, most folks still acknowledge Lebron freak of nature was a better overall player than MJ, just not as successful as MJ (due to various circumstances in Jordan's favor, like stability with same team and great teammates and HOF coach). Only true haters would ignore what Lebron is STILL doing in his 20th season at 38yo, long after lesser and prior greats have RETIRED. It's not Lebron's fault that MJ could only handle 15 seasons, at most 11 of which were great seasons (played too few games in '85-'86 and '94-'95 seasons, and his play during two years w/ Wizards were meh). That's almost double, man. Say what you want about peak years vs peak years, Lebron has WAY too many more peak years to make him an exception to any narrow definition of GOAT. So he is THE GOAT.
@@uFELLA How? MJ was a better scorer and defender a slightly better playmaker( points+assists in the playoffs ) and had a higher offensive and defensive peak.
JJ doesn’t understand bailout vs smart basketball play drawn out of timeouts. Trust me, Jordan had no bailed out moments. ray Allen literally bailed out James.
Facts, Jordan looked Kerr in the eye and said “Ima get you the ball for the win” while Lebron literally missed his shot but got bailed out by Bosh’s rebound and Ray’s shot.
u sound delusional
Bailed out when lebron dropped 16 in that quarter ? Are you serious?
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I agree with Stephen A Smith.
Don't agree on everything he says, but definitely agree with that.
JJ Redick needs his own show
He’s biased towards Lebron
@@jhad777 Def not true, but do you.
He has his own podcast, "The Old Man and the Three"
@@justinannanmanthodo5010 definitely biased
@@jhad777 definitely not true, he just isn’t a brainwashed mj disciple.
2007 Cavaliers did not beat a ben wallace led detroit pistons. Lebron fans keep bringing this up but that pistons team the cavs beat did not have their dpoy defensive anchor ben wallace. He was on the bulls that year and it was actually dwyane wade who beat the detroit pistons at their full strength in 2006 east playoffs.
Ppl forget that, Their defensive anchor and the reason why they were a beast on defense especially in the interior was because of Ben Wallace but guess what he wasn't there when Bron beat them.
@@tadeokrzos2550 true true. and wade was injured that season and so the heat got swept in the 1st round by the bulls who lost in the semis against the pistons. so the east in 2007 were weaker than the previous year 2006 with wade/shaq miami heat ben wallace pistons and the 2008 where big three formed in boston plus the upcoming orlando magic.
@@JayZone23 4 real
@@JayZone23 Oh facts bro. I didn’t know Ben Wallace was on that team.
Also you saying at “full strength”
Like Wade didn’t have another star next to him in Shaq putting up 20 & 10 and a great supporting cast next to them in Mourning, Payton, Ant Walker,
J Will, Haslem, Posey,
And HOF coach Pat Riley..
Obviously way more talent than that Cavs team, but here you go again spewing nonsense w no context 🤣🤣🤣
Lebron is the goat on paper,but no one has or will ever again have the goat influence on culture a Jordan
Jordan made the correct pass to Steve Kerr , ray allen came of a missed shot from lebron why is called the bail out shot.
my goodness
Mad dog is on point, If Kerr/Paxson didn't make those shots, they still have a game to play. While in Lebron's case, it's gg.
Jordan did lose to the pacers in Game 6 in 98, due to himself missing shots, but they still won game 7 when they were 13 points behind in first quarter. So that's a big big difference there.
Lebron has never been an efficient shoote, and it's ok, he's a power house that drives to the basket.
But no one claims game 6 Klay saved Steph in 2016? Oh yeah bc media loves steph 😂
He's more efficient than your GOAT though...
@@Briana-a13 - Steph is not in the goat conversation. Lebron was expected to dethrone MJ but he fell short, Steph exceeded everyones expectations by far
@@Briana-a13 nahhhh, you are wrong, no one mentions that yet cuz Steph is not on Lebron's level yet, Steph is an all time great, but when you talk about goat, he's never in the conversation.
Just like if Robert Horry didnt make the 3 Lakers would have likely been eliminated in 2002, but no one mentions that, why? Cuz shaq is not in goat conversation. When you talking about Goat, then being No.1 option at key moment matters. Agree or disagree
@@nydibs He didn't fall short. Lebron been the GOAT for several years now. Passing Kareem was just a bonus. Skill for skill, Lebron is better at practically everything on the basketball court. Better scorer (more points on less attempts), Better shooter (better 3pt%), better passer, better rebounder, and better shot blocker. Lebron is definitely the GOAT🐐 and it's not even close tbh. Anyone that thinks he isn't is biased. Being GOAT is an "individual" feat based of individual abilities. Not team accomplishments or having the favor of more fans and/or media. The individual skills are heavily in Lebrons favor and we can clearly see them all and compare them for reference.
King James 🐐🥂🥂
also Jordan 's era had a better defense and it was harder to score in Jordan's era, you could not do all the traveling that player's do today. Jordan better than Lebron,yes
Ben Wallace wasnt on the pistons in 2007, more mis represented nonsense to manufacture brons career.
WAIT TIME OUT HOW DID LEBRON HAVE A BAD FOURTH QUARTER WHEN HE SCORED LIKE 16 straight points bringing the heat all the way back for ray Allen to hit that legendary shot
Without Ray Allen, Heat dont win back to back titles and we having a different discussion
@@leonardobraynen1524 so the heat just played terrible and Ray Allen saved the day? 🤔
@@leonardobraynen1524 without pippen Jordan doesn’t have any championships so what’s your point? Great players need others to win.
Lebron’s most memorable moment is a chase down block, everything else I can’t remember. Not GOAT. Everyone wants to Be Like Mike.
MJ 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
Mad dog saying Jordan never came up short is partially why the goat arguments are so hilarious. When people talk about Jordan they talk about the legend or stories of him. When lebron is the subject everything is pinpointed and exact. Jordan came up short in the clutch multiple times like every other great player
For ANY player to surpass MJ he needs to: 1) win 7 championships minimum 2) average 40 for a1 regular season/post season & 3) average 30+ for entire career
With no finals losses.
and defeated in any finals, including international
Jordan is an entire hof career ahead of bron
Mj was 6-0 but man he was in the league for longer then that. He ain’t even make it to the finals the rest of his time there till Rodman and pippen were ballin 🤦🏾♂️
5:15 MJ said that out of modesty and great character. But this GOAT conversation is simple, even considering different eras because other than stats and achievement comparison, GOAT is someone initiated many things in that sports (and even of the court) which has redefined many things and has influenced so many in that sport or outside. For example, if we think of Pele in soccer, not only he achieved it all in his sport, but he initiated many moves and dominated many stats even until today that he's known as the GOAT in soccer.
Pele isn’t the goat, nobody thinks that anymore. Maybe 10 years ago but not now
@@Ajayi2003 I know...I only brought his name because I meant to give the example of another initiator and someone who influenced many on and off the pitch in another sport, pre-2000, similar to MJ.
@@Ajayi2003 A lot of people still view Pele as the goat. Messi is fantastic but Pele has an overall better international football career.
The longer he plays the worse it will be for his fan base
Look at the roster in Cleveland he took to the finals early in his career and tell me he didn't have that killer instinct. Not even Mj could take that roster to the finals.
Facts, context is everything. Look who they both played with and then look at their competition also.
East was weak though. Lebron literally had 2 good games vs Detroit. And in the clincher he shot 3/11 but shot 19 free throws. Only to get swept by San Antonio, just shows you how bad the East was.
false
if mj lost more than lebron in the finals you could make that case maybe
but it makes no sense to say that when larry bird took a weak celtics team to the finals in 1981 AND WON ...stop this foolishness homie
@@waymondjohnson2089 Beat a pistons team without Ben Wallace lol
real facts
Give me Russell, his laugh, and ALL those rings...you can have the others.
JJ with the massive false equivalence
Elimination games and Jordan was dominating both games and lebron was choking in the game and series vs Spurs
Well Steve that’s why you have your opinions and different people have a differences in opinion
7’7, 100 ppg, 100 rpg, 100 apg.
SAS: “Not better than MJ”
Lol
These commentators keep moving the goalpost a.k.a. Jordan
You guys debate MJ vs. LBJ.
Lemme tell you that Wilt is the GOAT.