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- Michael Rapaport joins Skip Bayless, Shannon Sharpe and Joy Taylor on Undisputed to discuss Cleveland Cavaliers' LeBron James chasing Michael Jordan. Michael Rapaport makes a case that although LeBron is the 'best player of his generation', he will never pass MJ as the GOAT.
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Michael Rapaport makes a case that LeBron James will never pass MJ as the GOAT | UNDISPUTED
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Does LeBron have any chance at passing Jordan as the GOAT?
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED Never gonna happen period. Jordan no finals loss ever.
no.
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED No, A three peat and no game 7 and no jumping on another team to make a big three and etc.
LeBron will never get to be Jordan or the goat cause of the things the obstacles that Jordan had to overcome and what Jordan did and the way he did it LeBron has no way of competing with his legacy
only thing he will have better than Jordan in stats Points, Steals,Assist,Rebounds, Blocks others than that championship wise he'll never catch up or anything
Rapaport should play Larry Bird in a movie
He can play bird as a coach
Gross. Get someone actually worthy of playing a legend like Bird.
Not tall enough
ed norton should play larry
Bird is a hoosier legend.. straight hick from southern indiana.. why would you want a loud mouth new yorker to play him in a movie.. bird and this guy have almost nothing in common
I watched every Finals MJ played in. The entire country was a Jordan fan. The entire country.
I can vouch for Australia when I say entire country here too
MJ was global without social media ! I remember when MJ retired we all stopped playing basketball for a bit
I stopped caring about basketball in '99
Except me. I was loyal to the purple & yellow all day. But now i have no problem calling him the G.O.A.T.
All you had to hear was that intro with the lights and the lasers....
Sharpe: “How many Lebrons you know?”
Skip: “what does that mean?” 😂😂😂
One of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard lmao
@@mikiasbekele6672 stupidest?
@@mikiasbekele6672 grammar 🫥?
@@geezerschrist3447 stupidest is a real word. Like what u lot trippin’ bout?
You don't hear any kid saying they want to be like Lebron they always wanted to be Jordan When a kid played in the school yard and was taking a shot whose name would they say? Jordan that's who
3 years later I still watch this from time to time. "He started playing baseball im done with this"😭😭😭😭😭
If I had a dollar for every time skip brought up LeBron's plus/minus, I could buy an NBA team.
James Burgess same thing with the Dallas meltdown
Just because Sean Lee wasn't on the field
Same thing with Ray Allen "greatest clutch shot I have ever seen"
Sean Lee and Ray Allen's 3 pointer, you know it and I know it
TheChunlilover I don't even like LeBron like that. He only bringing up ONE stat, like, LeBron has worst stats this year he can bring up. But the same one every single time?
Especially one like plus/minus, a stat that doesn't account for the production of players on the court at the time.
“Sorta like a young skip Bayless” 😂😂😂😂
he said “stick Bayless”
Forrest Mann Chris lebroussard LoL Chris Broussard is prolly the most factual n unbiased analyst right now idk if he’d take lebron over jordan
Well he did play for the legendary Hank Iba...
because they are both white?
Labron james has used illegal drugs ..
"The only thing he can catch is his hairline" i actually spit out my drink laughing 😂 💀 GTFOH
Jordan himself needs to come on this show and I wanna see what Skip says then
You mean Shannon?
@@phillwilliams2781 my exact thoughts lol
@@phillwilliams2781 i think this guy meant shannon
"He got bored of it! He went to play Baseball" hahahahah! I love Rapaport!
And it was true. Jordan pretty much said it himself. He said if he couldn't find anything to challenge himself then it was time for him to walk away from the game of basketball. Pretty much, it was too easy for him at that point.
Oh that’s easy! Lebron
@@dablocishot77 Or he had such a gambling problem he needed to leave the game. If that was the case about not finding a challenge then why did he play for the Wizards and was a JOKE on the court.
@@radardkooy I wont even respond to this uneducated comment lmfao. Clearly you were born in the 2ks.
@@radardkooy how was he a joke? He was old and still stomping young cats... Not quite as dominating as before but still dangerous.
American sports media: “damn, no NBA games this week... what can we talk about? ... got it! Let’s bring up MJ vs LeBron for the 2000000000th time.”
DH It's always an interesting subject because it's an arguable one and can go either way because it's a matter of opinion and personal perspective. Choose one, there are a bunch of supporting points for it, choose the other, and there are a bunch of supporting points for it. This is always an interesting topic and will be for the next many years. Almost every single sports fan has an opinion on this topic, and it just truly shows us how great these two guys were and are.
Yeah it's like back in 2005 Mike verse Kobe for the 200,000 to time
DH haha these guys always go at it haha. Too funny I love when rob Parker or Micheal Rappaport comes on.
“You hate the Spurs, you always call them broccoli” 😂😂
Skips faces in this are amazing 😂
Shannon got mad and fired up when Michael Rapaport put him on blast about that unpaid bet 😂😂😂
Mike old school he keeps you on your toes
Rap is one to talk about welching on bets.
👍👍👍
Kobe is my favorite, not saying he’s the best . But that’s my guy
Mamba for life 🐍
But the Thing is we can appreciate winners like Bill Russell n MJ and I'm a Kobe fan
Yeh man, the discussion should be about who is your favourite not who is GOAT. The discussion is so stupid. It’s not comparable. It’s literally different leagues
Antoine Ones yup
80's and 90's era was a big boy era modern era cupcake era
J B Kobe’s better than Lebron I believe Kd will catch Kobe before lebron . Lebrons time is over .
"Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert accused the NBA's MVP of quitting during the playoffs." TWICE!!!!
That's cause he did...getting swept twice...at least get one game...AI did it against Shaq and Kobe!
Lets no act like MJ never quit.. I mean how many times did he retire? 😂😂
@@Encentivez if that's the case....everyone who retires actually quit. Dumb logic
@@knowledgeseeker8582 He did quit to go play baseball 😂 came back and then retired foh bozo! That’s a FACT!
@@Encentivez so....retiring is quitting to you. Smdh.... your logic mean Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Bird, etc all quitted? Idiot
I love you Michael Rapaport!!! Telling it like it is! Keeping it real! Rapaport is saying everything I absolutely agree with!!!!!!!
I bet he know more about Larry bird..u know that's his pops...🤣🤣🤣
MR feeds the trolls who lack knowledge of sports lol anyone eating up what he says is a blind hater
Micheal Rapaport is spot on Micheal Jordan.
Sir that's an UNDERSTATEMENT!
Kyle Snyder the nba literally rigged the league in favor of mj or should I say David sterns son
@@dhdydbemjxgcn2141 damn, that’s some saltyness
@@MUSHROOMAN4 that’s some truth
@@MUSHROOMAN4 you got to admit there became a point in time where you couldn't even touch mj..... Lance Stephenson literally would got tech'd for blowin in mike's ear like that,...
MJ played the game like he knew deep down inside he was the GOAT, Lebron plays like he's trying to make people say he's the GOAT.
FACTS
That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
Theodor Dinu Facts
Jordan: “I play every game like it’s my last”
Lebron: “yeh, dis ‘load management’ right hurr”
Ethan Druart exactly
He made it through without swearing good job Micheal
Jordan would never have asked Magic,Bird,Barkley or any great player of his time to team up to win championships. That's why he is and will always be the GOAT !
Jordan has fans, LeBron has cheerleaders.
victor hosey I rather have cheerleaders
Sankeerth Koshy lmao. Me too 😈😂😂😂
Richie Young 😂
@@philcarter663 lol see u LeBron fanboys can never make valid points or argument haha why is that? Yo just cause someone doesn't worship the ground LeBron walks on doesn't mean they're haters...lol seriously and another thing the NBA wasn't invented in 2010 lol even tho I know all u kids nowadays thinks it was
@@washburn11000 and who said anyone was hating? Where r u getting this from
Real GOATs don’t talk about how good they are, they let their game do the talking
Leo🐐
Muhammad Ali did all the time.
Sham Kala-Kadima Ali said it with his chest and backed it up
@Ryan Kearney how so?
Lebron said that the cleveland championship 2016 felt the greatest of all time. MJ never said that, his game speak by him.
Omg Michael was so damn funny. Made the whole segment.
Everytime Shannon says LeBron faced GSW(juggernaut).
Guess what, BULLS themselves were the JUGGERNAUTS.
damn i died when my man said cheerleader and pointed to shanon 🤣🤣🤣
Right 😂😂
Priceless 🤣
This was hilarious 😂 Man said get your pomp pomps. Called Shannon a straight cheerleader. It’s exactly what he is 💀😭😂
Shannon is LeBron’s number one groupie
@@trentonjohnsonjr7855 Facts
He quits on his team , I've seen him do it twice . Once with San Antonio in the finals & this year he did it again . Even if we lose , I don't respect quiters that's the new era record .
Coming back from 3-1 in the finals is exactly how quitters do it!!!!
Shut up
King Flop had to go to teams that were already good. MJ MADE the Bulls!
But he also needed Dennis Rodman after being eliminated in 1995
So Miami being out in the first round and the lakers who weren't in the playoffs since 2014 before lebron came in were already good teams. Yeah that makes a ton of sense ty
@@victordelacruz4449 miami got chris bosh and lebron to win twice and lakers got AD and Lebron. Lebron alone didnt make those teams better. lebron didnt even reach finals without AD
Only the real GOAT will never say he's the GOAT, for humbleness is the hallmark of the GREATEST...
@Shacari Sperley I never said jordan... You did.
@Shacari Sperley HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Lmao back when Jordan was playing he'd constantly call himself the best player in the world.
Only the real GOAT will never give that title to someone else...
Plus if you're talking about jordan he is not humble lol. He used to say "there is no I in team, but there is one in win"
I remember Shannon Sharpe being a loudmouth when he played for the Broncos. He's definitely stayed consistent.
One thing about us black people is we are born talkative it's a chore and a half to make us shut up
@@hiddenjocelyn1088 maybe you but not all of us lol
@@98ore 8h
MJ is the GOAT no discussion about that you can have great players in every period but there will never be another MJ he is simply the GOAT
If someone were to win more championships, accolades and become better in most major statistical categories, would you still call MJ the goat? Please give me your honest opinion
@@ccbgaming6994 Yes indeed, I would still call MJ the GOAT. You need to put conditions of the individual performances to the reality of that period and circumstances. Even if a player would not win a single championship but his individual performance is the best ever that person would potentially still be the GOAT. The issue here is he was way better than the best of his era, he was and still is the most creative player ever and I do not believe there will be a more creative player ever. Wembanyama can and most probably will beat everyone in statistics at the end of his career, but put a Kenny lofton JR against him, he will struggle. That was not the case with MJ they threw everything possible at him in his era he still outclassed them all by a mile.
@baybarshan2500 So you’re saying that someone could win 10 chips, 10 mvps, 10 fmvp, 5 dpoy, more all-star selections, average 35 pts, 10 ast, 15 trb, 60% fg, 45% fg3, 90% fr, break the scoring record, play against the toughest teams ever with an unstacked team himself, and you would still call MJ the goat?
@@ccbgaming6994 Yes, Lebron doesn't have the creativity and resilience as MJ ! To be the GOAT only stats are NOT enough MJ had close stats too but he had more than that and Lebron doesn't have that !
@baybarshan2500 First of all, ARE YOU ON DRUGS?! Let’s make it clear that I’m talking about a hypothetical player in the future, not Lebron, not any current player, not any prospective player. How is it that you can look at that list and
say MJ would still be the goat. This hypothetical player would have to have even more creativity and resilience to accomplish what they did. You’re either an MJ d-rider or done gone overdosed.
The biggest thing I see between LB and MJ is, to quote Shoresy, is LB doesn't hate to lose. That is the crux of it. MJ loved to win but hated to lose.
"It was too easy, he started playing baseball, I'm done with this!" (:
The hilarity of this is that everything Shannon predicted turned out to be wrong: Warriors SWEPT the Cavs 4-0 in the 2018 NBA finals.
Rob Parker predicted it all lol
But the Warriors had KD even tho people, including Max K., act like Lebron is so far better than KD
& Ray Allen made it to the HOF
It’s not just WHAT HE DID ITS HOW HE DID IT THAT MAKES MJ THE GOAT…
O you mean losing in 95 and recruiting rodman after? No Rodman no Jordan...well no pippen no Jordan either....Jordan was losing in the first round and getting swept before he got pippen
@@anon2414 ???
Love how they bring up Scottie the best teammate he ever had and that’s why Lebron is better when Lebron just hops around to where he can get the next HOF teammate pair.
Rappaport:"Take that number off!"
Yes!
It’s funny how Lebron fans say Jordan beat the Pistons when they were old, but never bring that up when Bron beat the Celtics in 2012...
Or the Spurs....
😂 rondo was only 26
addivt obviously the celtics were known for the big 3. Kg 35, Allen 35, PP 33...and yet pistons are considered old with Thomas and rodman 30, laimbeer 33, dumars is actually younger than mj.
Michael Jordan had to go against the Celtics team that went to the NBA finals 4 years straight and yet he was able to score 65 points against them and actually make it competitive pretty much on his own
x10ndo Dumars was only 28 too
Those Piston's had Rodman, Thomas, Lambeer, Mahorn and Salley. Pretty sure 4 of those 5 are legends.
Michael Rapaport is Absolutely Correct, Absolutely Right, ON POINT 👍👍👍
I will say it one more time. How was it possible for Jordan to beat a 70+ team, when he was the 70+ team?
Dominic dominic how many u got
Arjan Ang I believe he only did it once and not a different team was ever as good so that didn't happen lol
The reason Lebron will never be seen as better than MJ is because of Phil Jackson. Spoelstra was a great coach but he's no Phil Jackson and Tyron Lue, at times, looks like he has no idea what he was doing. Lebron has had to continually lead his team basically by himself to the finals where the other teams are way better than any team MJ ever faced. The Warriors and the Spurs are two of the best teams ever. The Spurs won four championships together and (without even counting the one Duncan won in 99) and the warriors own the best record of all time, before they even got Durant, who will end up being, at least, at top 20 player of all time and is probably a better scorer than MJ. Lebron has had to deal with better team than MJ ever had to face and it's because Jordan had a good coach and a good organization where Lebron has had pretty bad ones. If Pat Riley had coached the heat instead of Spoelstra, not only would Lebron still be there, but I have no doubt he would have seven straight finals and be considered the best player of all time.
Arjan Ang Oh your right...MJ just beat Magics Lakers the bad boy Pistons Regies pacers Malone and Stoctons Jazz Shawn Kemp's sonics ect.. MJ was soo god damn good he left basketball it was just too easy no challenge left. Then he comes back and STILL dominated. Lets all admit her would have won 8 finals if he never retired.
charlie harris what? The reason MJ is seen as better isbhe was the greatest scorer and defender PERIOD. last I checked Basket Ball is about scoring defense and winning and MJ did it all. Lebron fans just want Lechoke to ve the greatest
Jordan is the GOAT for a ton of reasons. One reason is that while Lebron is supposedly the "greatest all around player in nba history" Michael Jordan has the most complete resume in NBA history.
Jordan has the stats unlike Russell. He has the rings unlike Wilt. He was the best player in all his rings unlike Kareem, Kobe or Shaq. He took the game globally unlike Bird & Magic who took the game nationally. He dominated the league unlike Lebron who only dominated the conference
Ohhhh telll emmmmm
Well put!!!
Rodman should have been the finals MVP in 96, but yup.
@@wellyforpm Rodman was just defense. Jordan did it both sides of the ball
If Rodman could've gave them 15pts then I would agree. You're never gonna get finals mvp on defense alone
Surely MJ had the most pressure. MJ had to live up to “Be like Mike”
Kobe literally grew up in the social media age. Also since when did LeBron pass Kobe?
Watching all these after watching the “Last Dance” documentary, damn Lebron will never catch MJ. MJ is just on another level.
Awee yea just wait till lebron released his documentary
@@lalapanikan725 cant change a 3-6-1 record with a documentary
@@BigShotNBA What?🤣🤣
@@lalapanikan725 To see what? How he's lost 6 Finals? How he got bounced by the Mavs? How he quit on his team with 5 mins to go with a 1st round series game on the line?
@@lalapanikan725 Hope he include how many rings he gave away add the first round golf vacation GOAT.
47 GAME 2021 The rest was for load management play off LBJ is gone it's over.
D wade won a chip before lebron came lol no argument
100% 👍
Phil Jackson won a chip before Jordan came lol no argument.
KINGSHOTTAH442 no he didnt lmfao they came the same year 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@lakerfan2469 Phil won as a player
Rory Hotchkiss SHAAAAAQ
i love MJ and i think he is the goat, but i enjoyed this conversation and the way they bullied shannon..its pretty funny and healthy arguement😂
Jordan played 14 seasons one of which was limited due to a broken foot. That was his sophomore season which could have been one of his greatest. We'll never know. He retired three times, two of which came after threepeats. When he returned as player owner of Washington he wasn't in playing shape and those last seasons hurt his averages. Until then he had been a .500 FG shooter. Besides Bird I never saw anyone as clutch as Jordan. He willed victory and battled against failure every second on that court. When you watched Jordan you got the best of him and when someone disrespected him you got even better. He was the most competitive player I ever saw. Kobe got up early and did everything right but Jordan did it better. LeBron is a great player but LeBron took 20 years to pass Kareem and due to his starting at 19 and not getting injured he has caught the scoring record. Kareem though was over 7 foot tall and his last seasons in the league were plagued with injuries often accompanying tall athletes. Jordan was on pace to beat Kareem's record had he played longer and would have done it statistically speaking in less seasons. We can continue on the if's and but's but honestly LeBron has had a great career and deserves all the recognition in the world. However he's not the G.O.A.T. He's not even my first pick for Small Forward if I could draft an all-time greats team. I don't even consider him in the top five. In my humble opinion one could make the case that unlike LeBron, Russell, Jordan, Bird, and Magic all made their teammates better. Not just better but great. One could also make the case for Kareem and Wilt being those once in a lifetime athletes they were on a scale that in their primes no one person could have played them head to head except perhaps each other. As Centers inside that area near the basket where they played and posted up, Kareem and Wilt along with Shaq and Russell are four of the best to ever play that position. There are others who get a notable mention but those four dominated defensively and for the most part offensively. Bird and Magic were something special and the rivalry and friendship they shared saved the league in the 80's. Jerry West and Oscar Robertson also are incredible throwbacks to a bygone era. Here's a little reality for you, Charles Barkley was a better shooter than Kobe Bryant and his stats are comparable with LeBron's. The next time someone says LeBron is the G.O.A.T. ask them is he the greatest dribbler? They'll say no and mention someone like A I. Ask them is he the greatest shooter? They'll say no and mention someone like Bird or Curry. Ask them was he the greatest defensive player? They'll say Russell or Rodman or Olajuwon or perhaps someone else. Ask them was he the greatest facilitator who carried the ball down and set up plays and ran the court? They'll mention Pippen and a dozen other players but everyone will come back to Magic Johnson and agree Magic was far and away better than anyone else with the exception of maybe Bird who was pretty darn good himself. They might mention Stockton too. LeBron will get a notable mention here but that's as far as that will go. In the end it's the fact he kicked the ball off to someone else after choking in the clutch early on in his career that is the biggest criticism I've heard from most fans. I agree with them. Robert Horry has 7 rings and that doesn't make him better than LeBron or Jordan but there is something to be said when you don't win several times after you get to the finals. Jordan played 13 years in which he could have won a title. He didn't have a good team behind him of the right support players until they got Scottie and started acquiring other players so yeah early on the great teams of the Celtics, Pistons, and Lakers beat those Jordan lead teams but once he got his crew together no one beat them and Shannon you putz, there were great players in the league at that time besides Jordan. He just dominated them to the point you don't respect them for who they were.
MJ never flopped during his entire career, let that sink in. I saw someone clotheslined MJ and he stood up, LBJ would have gone to the hospital.
Lestat Facts! 😂
Lmfao frfr
Truth.
Remember he aint play his ENTIRE career ? He went to go play baseball 😂😂
AGC 🤣🤣😂😂😂That's str8 facts bruh..
😁Lol he said the only thing LeBron is gon catch is Jordan hair line😂😂😂😂
Derek Huntington 😂😂😂 who
*Crickets* lol
He had to look down at his notes real quick to remember that joke.
corny asf
Derek Huntington Jordan had no hairline
Hahaha got eeeeeeeem!
Back then, when Jordan was on the court playing, the competition was way better than now. Every team back then had a squad
I don’t disagree. But the disrespect to Scottie Pippen has to stop.
Lebron is good but Michael has special. The best ever👍
Who has better offense? Who has better defense ? I think everyone knows the answers! Mj is the best !
Nah Lebron defence is on another lvl
Yes another level. Lower one for sure 😃
Who’s more efficient a better 3pt shooter ? We all know that answer
Goat topic is dumb
Playing against plumbers and your local garbage man 🤣
I've been saying, there's just a different admiration, respect and charisma when a player wins several championship with his original team or with 1 team. MJ was good, if not great when he was a rookie, Pippen and the rest who joined MJ as a rookie wasn't as good or great when they started. They all were pushed, inspired, bullied by MJ to get better and they got better as a team. LBJ, joined an already established great champion and an already established great player in D. Wade when he won his ring, then he also joined an already established great player in Kyrie Irving. LBJ hasn't won a ring where he helped the team grow and developed as a unit. It was always enhanced through adding other great superstars. Granted, MJ's 2nd 3peat was something similar when they added Rodman, but they were aging already at that time. Remove MJ on his 1st 3peat Bulls and remove LBJ on his Miami championship team, who do you guys think would win in that series if they play against each other? I'm pretty sure most of you would pick D.Wade & Bosh's Miami, over Pip & Grant's Bulls. Point is, Wade and Bosh was already stars, Wade was already a proven champion when LBJ won with Miami, while Pip only developed into a superstar within the Bulls
Pay the man Shannon before you need protect 😂😂😂😂
The mentality of MJ is to win! He made his team mates look better! He didn't complain about getting other great players. Confidence gave him all the titles...Beat that!!!
Yh he definitely didn’t say that he needed Pippen to win? Which player u know winds without help? The ignorance be real
@@Matt-hs7gs every player technically won with help but mj didnt have to build superteams. Mj won 6-0 in finals with the bulls but lebron was only 4-6 even with superteams. So if lebron wins this season i wont count it
@@LOL-mq6om didn't MJ request Denis Rodman to the bulls?? lol smells like a big three making to me
@@kaeseyztv mj req rodman and lbj recruited a lot of superstars lmao mans even tried to rec steph in the all star game
MJ played in a much tougher area.
They don't call him "LeFLOP" for nothing. Jordan once told B Scott before a game he'd drop 50 on Anthony Peeler. He ended up with 54. He was simply unstoppable and his will to win was unmatched. MJ GOAT.
As a Lakers fan for 30+ years, dropping 54 on a rookie Peeler isn't all that impressive lol.
@@josephjohnroe3678 Kobe Bean Bryant dropped 81 on the Raptors. LeChoke never did that.
@@BlakeTheSnake98 cool story, even though irrelevant.
Blake 98 neither did Mj
@Joseph Johnroe but what player now putting 50 on a took the rook putting 50 or 40 on the vets these days
Man after watching Last dance....One thing is clear.....Nobody ever gona pass MJ ...no matter what....unless somebody has his attitude, skills, killer instinct, passion etc etc etc....Man he is an ALFA ALFA
Shannon ! You walked out of here last year and you didn't pay me 😂😂😂😂😂
Hot in black = Joy Taylor 😍
Ray Torres...yep, I'll take her over Molly.
Everything from a burlap sack
She's hot in BLACKED 😂😂
D M collect your W
Agree with Rapaport's analysis. But the one thing I wish he had mentioned was Jordan's obsessive drive to win with the hand he was dealt. With the exception of only 4 starter players (Rodman, Longley Cartwright and Harper) on both 3 peat teams, everyone was home grown. And of those free agent/received starters, with the exception of Rodman, no one was an All-Star or exceptional at their position. Most were drafted by the Bulls. He didn't hop around looking for a super team. He took what he got and made every single player on his roster better. He didn't just make the team better with some arbitrary stat. He made every player on the roster pick up more than they could carry by scrimmaging with them, teaching them and testing them to be the best that they could be. James has never done that. His championships were won with made men: Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love and now with Davis. Bottomline: James finds (or receives) the pieces to win championships. Jordan grooms his pieces to win championships. Jordan= The GOAT
I also wish they would have mentioned the Bulls in 94-95 were 34-31 before MJ came back and finished strong with him at 13-4 and snuck into the 5 seed. They were struggling terribly in season 2 without him and wound up winning 72 games and another title the following yr with him, as well as the next 2, including playing without Pippen for 38 games in 97-98 and still winning 62 games and the title.
Different eras🤦🏾♂️ we live in a world where there is a lot more talent in the league in general.. Just like everything else the game is evolving.. Jordan was in a time where there was 1 superstar to a team on average, LOTS more balance then
@@gspazzthaassassin the league now is much less physical making scoring much easier. There are no physical, larger defenders like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Mutumbo, Mourning, Larry Johnson, Anthony Mason, Malone, Barkley... Centers now are beanstalk hanging out by the 3 point line not clogging the lane making it easy for ANY player to score very easy baskets. Look at the posterizing dunk from 20-25 yrs ago and now. The player then was jumping over or through 3-5 players or a 7 foot tree of a human trying to tackle him to stop him. Now it's over a guy just standing there trying to get a charge. Players stayed on teams or only were one per team because of loyalty to their franchises or they had pride. They wanted to beat their friends and wanted to be the best of the best without question or help. Now they all want easy titles and to make it easier on themselves. It's sad now
So Pippen was not a Star? Kukoc made the All Star team
@@kaashifameer3583 kukoc NEVER was an All Star
Most compelling Villain in Prison Break. Also one of the best characters in HIMYM 😂
LBJ said he'll join a dunk contest the following year (i forgot what year that all star was, but he was interviewed on the court about this). The following year came and there was no LBJ in the dunk contest.
People forgot that when MJ was drafted by Chicago their franchise was one of the wrost in the league. Same as Cleveland nobody wanted to play with the Bulls so for the first 3 peat they had to build their core through the draft. Leaving can't be used as an excuse.
Chris Faux, yeah we can. He dictates what teammates and still looks stupid.
The thing is LeBron carried them so much that they never got good draft picks. They constantly placed top 5 so they never got the good picks. The bulls tanked.
^^^ yep. The Bulls in Jordan's first 3 seasons didn't reach over 40 wins, and I think way too many people forget about MJ not doing anything before he had Phil Jackson coaching him. LeBron was leading a 50 win team in his 3rd year.
CHicago and something else Chris. The league was trying to stack the Knicks, that's why they put Ewing on there.
Tristan Nowicki yeah getting in the playoffs = tanking. bron didnt make the pos his first two yrs... mj did. rs records are due to extrapolated records with 7 less teams... those 7 teams added help popularize tanking
“The only thing LeBron can catch Jordan... is his hairline” that joke was so funny I fell off my dinosaur
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Yo this is gold lol
Chef Vortivask this is old.
Terrible joke and delivery
You fell off of Chris bosh?
They always talk about how easy it was for Michael to win. The eastern conference has always been a bit underwhelming until recently
i liked when the guy said ''listen'' when he was the only one talking.
Damn when this topic comes on everybody mentions 2011 Mavs but didnt they sweep the lakers with Kobe before Heat and LBJ?
Nobody talks about that because it wasn’t in the finals lol
Kobe ain’t get shut down by JJ Barea and didn’t disappear!!
tony tonyt Kobe didn't have 2 other all-stars on his team and didn't score 8 points in a crucial game like ya boy LeChoke😂😂😂
Lebron wasnt coming off 3 str8 finals like Kobe was. Also...LeBron had 2 other all stars with him....Kobe didnt
Dario Jugović Kobe averaged 23 against Dallas while Lebron only averaged 17 4 straight 4th quarters with 2 points or less. 2011 NBA finals
Lebron was third on the team in scoring, committed 24 total turnovers, and only shot 60% from the free throw line. His Game Score total was a lackluster 13.7 - showing that is overall productivity throughout the series was a bit over average
I agree, internet has information moving too fast to really appreciate one player the way Michael Jordan was appreciate.
The man up there wouldn’t have had him lose over and over again. Merhn I love Rapaport
Nostalgia talking on that show
You ain't never seen Michael Jordan score 8 pts in the Finals, Shannon. You ain't never seen MJ shoot 13 shots in a Finals game, Shannon. You ain't never seen MJ disappear in the Finals! I think that's enough said. There's a lot of great players. LeBron is amazing. But the "little" things make the difference, greatness is in those "little" things. A 2011 Finals perfomance like that - it's one of those little things that makes it impossible to call LBJ the GOAT.
PS You talkin about Jordan playing with an all-star ? LeBron went to Miami to play with Wade and Bosh......... Are you serious ?
Atanas Kolev You mentioned one finals but don’t mention when Jordan didn’t even go to the finals
Atanas Kolev you also ain’t ever seen Jordan go to the nba finals 9 times
Atanas Kolev I’ve never seen MJ in a finals without Pippen either. Enough said 😂😂
One way of measuring greatness is how you gather yourself after stumbling lbj did that after that 2011 finals...
Bosh was even top 5 in his position gtfoh.
2 3-peats, 6 finals MVP's, never went to a game 7 in the finals, 6 put of 6 finals. And the most aggressive competitor the world has ever seen. When you're playing basketball with the homies, you yell out "Kobe!" during a jump shot or "Jordan!" when you dunk. I've never heard peeps say "LeBron!", cause they FLOPPED on the park cement.
Luis Martinez how many times did Jordan get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs? What about LeBron?
LOL man but people do say that when people flop hahaha
What talent if his talented he will never leaved cleveland and joined two superstar.he is weak
nabil chowdhury sweep 2x's
Luis Martinez u not even lying😂😂😰😰😴
Shannon insisted. Jordan was not afraid of risk. He was sure of himself thats his greatness, he knew he was the best, and lebron does not have this confidence in himself and this is the difference. Everyone talks about how Lobron has done so much for the black community, I think Jordan has done so much more with the game itself. Europe and whole world loves nba because of him
So your telling me lebron has been to the finals 9 out of 10 times damn that's alot of chances to get a title
The Bulls were 34-31 in the 1994 when MJ came back and finished 47-35. Yeah, they lost to the Magic, but this man was retired and played 17 regular season games and had this impact on his team. Then next year, return to dominance.
So baseball Jordan impact was that high to the team then let's imagine it's Basketball MJ 😂😂
95 not 94
Yeah and they won 55 games without him.
Yo Shannon, you are the man and I love you bruh but Rapaport gave it to you...
Yeah reminds me of that Dmx song ...
x1Brolic not even close
Hes welched on 2 bets. Hes a bum.
big L lol brons back on top and he got 5 more years.
I'm just now realizing he played the mailman on next friday 😂
Jordan is the G.O.A.T everything they show and those that were old enough to see him play say he was the best. For me, the fact that Jordan has no final loss and Lebrojn has lost more finals than anyone else.
8:44 HUMMUS 🤣🤣 rapaport kills me 🔥😭
'Is Kevin Garnett going to The Hall of Fame?'
2020: Yup.
This is the best analysis/breakdown of the jordan Lebron debate on the internet.
2021 still watching this..
DAMN, JOY!!!! ❤😍❤ I mean Jesus Christ, man!
D-Wattz joy is a fox indeed
the other girl when broussard and parker were on was way better
Paradigm Shift who was that?
Paradigm Shift
I hope you don't mean that plastic-looking chick.
D-Wattz what was her name? She was hot
LeBron is LeBron & MJ is MJ. Mj had a great career & LeBron career still going at the end of the day MJ fans will see him as the GOAT & LeBron fans will see LeBron as the GOAT that just the way it is
Thomars Carter it could all be that simple
It's really that simple. I mean, this whole MJ vs LeBron is silly. Silly might not be an apt word to describe it, but you get my point. LeBron's LeBron. Okay, he might not surpass MJ in terms of rings, but his career should be highly appreciated. His longevity, outspokenness, pass-first mannerism, is another realm. Plus, with that much scrutiny, he lived up to the expectation. We will have to wait for years to have this kind of talent.
Thomars Carter W
Thomars Carter W
Thomars Carter agreed people are silly
I like Micheal, he’s not afraid to stand up against Shannon shenanigans! Thank you Mr Michael for standing Tall👏🏾👍🏾
Lol. "I'm playing baseball. I'm done with this"
When did Lebron even surpass Kobe for this vs MJ conversation to even start?
LeBron surpassed Kobe in 2016
He passed him in accomplishments maybe but individually Kobe is a better player
Rudy Cooper uhhh individually , Lebron the best overall player ever . Mj and kobe r better scorers , but Lebron best player
Nah, if he was that good would not have lost 6 Finals, he is like 7th best all time player. Kobe is 5-2 in Finals Larry Bird also was better all around player than him
Around 2014 or so.
Just ask anyone who is number 23.
Problem solved!
Absolutely. MJ for life.
Oh yea I know who it was lebron doesn't he wear 23
Dave you'd be in the extreme minority.
This generation thinks it's Lebron
Mj
He said it the best way it can be said
I love these guys
not this dude again with jordan vs lbj again...so old and played out. we get it u dont like lbj.
Jordan complained about the pistons being dirty all the time...
Shazayum ong but people forget
Shazayum he did complain, but not all the time. He , and Pippen also did something about it. They hit the weights and got physically stronger to combat the bully pistons. The bullies could no longer beat the Bulls psychologically and that’s part of the reason the Bulls eventually prevailed.
What was there to complain about? The Pistons openly admitted their entire approach every time they played MJ.
Shazayum proof is the pistons admitting they used dirty play n i seen these games
They were dirty... look up photos.. lambier is the most dirty player of all time watch tape
Who’s coming back in 2021 to watch these classics
Exactly what he said.
They always forget Jordan left 93 to 94 then came out of retirement and won 3 championships James has had to play longer to achieve what Jordan did in less time I'm sorry Jordan would have another 10000 plus points and this debate wouldn't even come up
Thats crazy
Fewer shots taken by Lebron🤷🏿♂️
@@nathanreuben90 wdym lebron has more search it up
They ALWAYS forget that plus the fact Jordan didn't go straight to the NBA PLUS LeBron never had to tangle with guys like Rodman, Oakley, Laimbeer, and Mahorn, to name a few!
Longevity is an argument for LeBron he is on top for much long then Michael could.
LeBron showing he is more durable than Jordan.
Jordan won 3 in a row then his Dad was murdered. He took 2 years off. Then came back and won 3 more in a row. He would’ve won 8 in a row. Yes, would’ve blown out Hakeem. 8 in a row. EASY
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I need to add THIS. Not only would he have won 8 in a ROW, if stupid Jerry Krause (well I shouldn’t call him stupid, he’s dead), but if less than intelligent at the time Jerry Krause had not allowed the great Dynasty to be broken up, Jordan and Co. would’ve won 10+ in a ROW. Like , I’m sure 10, but maybe 12 to 13 or 14.........what if’s........
Nathaniel Charles Music absolutely FACTS 👍🏼💯
Nathaniel Charles Music not so sure bout that Hakeem was a beast
Debatable, Bulls got beat by Orlando, but Hakeem swept Orlando
It's also debatable, that if MJ had played that full season and been in basketball shape they'd have won. The next year they went 72-10. It's all speculation but it sure feels like if MJ didnt take the years off the Bulls wouldn't have lost.
You forgot when he returned and was good enough to score 45 in the garden but got beat by Orlando in the playoffs and then went and begged Rodman to join
Watching this after the bubble is great 😂