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In Total War terms Guilliman is the kind of Legendary Lord that gives some nice buffs to infantry he's fighting alongside, but his main strength is his ridiculous bonuses to your economy and recruitment. Sure he's far from the greatest warriors and he'd probably lose to some massive doomstack, but the two other armies that you can afford because of his bonuses will then destroy said doomstack, which ends up costing your opponent more than it does you. By contrast there's Alpharius, who conquers planets in the equivalent of another player giving you a free city in Total Warhammer except its Tier 1 buildings are in ruins, there's major corruption, public order is at -100 and there's a rebel army or two running around. And he keeps doing this.
That's actually a great way to put it into Total War terms xD.
Alpharius really is the anti-Guilliman. All of his organization and coordination is intuitive and fluid, not codified and rigid.
Battles being, and typically end, with a perfectly coordinated multi-pronged attack on... everything, at the same time, just after a series of "accidents", assassinations, riots, and friendly fire incidents have made an absolute joke out of every institution and societal structure the planet had.
You take out who you think was the commander, multiple times, and their army keeps going as if nothing happened.
@@TheLegitWeebsperturabo (my personal favorite) is just skaven tactics on a galactic scale.
4:46 to explain how much of a badass Tarasha Euten / Guillimom was, she talked back to the Night Haunter Konrad Kurze when he threatened her.
We stan Guillimom
A) The great rift happens in modern 40K not during the Heresy.
B) He possessed a little girl to deliver a message in that novel if what I've heard is correct. She died from the exertion.
C) The Emperor has resurrected people before, that's what living saints are.
Also a lot of worlds were lost to the warp as the emperor focused his power and attention to resurrect Guilliman.
22:50 the warp rift didn't just strengthen the chaos gods influence, it also made psykers more powerful, the Emperor is now way more active and the amount of miracles and Living Saints that have been popping up in the lore has significantly increased lately
Guilliman, the logistics man, the logistics hero! With some anger issues. ( And I agree, a functional family leads to a functional Primarch)
Good parents make good people? Who knew! xD
1:19 imagine being a guardsmen and suddenly the Blood angel fighting alongside you looks to you an yells "HORUS!" "WHY HAVE YOU SHRUNKEN HORUS!"
*shivers,
oof RIP
Or better yet:
-Get reinforcment
-Space Marines
-Blood angels
*Yes!!!*
-They have black armor
*No!!!*
-They turn off the cloaking device and now you have Alpha Legion behind you
*NOOOOOO!!!!!*
-They decided to be loyalist today.
*YEEEESSS!!!!!*
@@richardduska1558 that is honestly much better then what I had in mind
The reason Big E took over his body or a least had the power to do it was because from the fall of cadia and the creation of the rift it also had the side effect to power up the Emperor with more warp power. I believe this is the reason. Also Guilliman now is not the only to return to 40k The Lion is also back.
Aye, it powers up the warp in the materium and the Emperor is being fed powerful psykers constantly, thus powering him up into insane levels.
@@SerV689 Details...
16:04 this is somewhere around 10k years before Cadia fell. The Great Rift or Cicatrix Maledictum exists now and effectively cuts the galaxy in half, while the mass of warp storms that cut off Guilliman from the rest of the Imperium during the Heresy was the Ruin Storm.
25:04 the Yvrainne being Guilliman's girlfriend is a long enduring meme, but strangely enough it stems from one singular polite conversation the two had after his resurrection, it has inspired many memes and fan art
that about the rogue trader is from the newer novels, he had a rogue trader (an atheist) search him an original copy of Lorgar's book, she was a friend of him
Wasn't there also official art from the Warhammer community team during Thanksgiving that basically made Gorillaman and Yvraine look like a married couple.
To clarify, the Cicatrix Maledictium, AKA the big ass line drawn across the galactic map is a recent development from the Fall of Cadia.
What Pancreas is referring to is the Ruinstorm, a giant Warpstorm created by the Traitor Legions to slow the Imperium down and prevent communication, as it's incredibly difficult to Warp travel or send psychic messages when a Warpstorm is present, which also had the side effect of bolstering
In other words, Lorgar set off a giant psychic hurricane that lasted the better part of 10 years, but it was still temporary.
The Cicatrix Maledictum on the other hand is a bit more than just a Warpstorm, as it's a literal tear in the fabric of reality separating the material universe from the Warp. The difference is that Warpstorms generally only affect things in the Warp unless the veil weakens and the Warp starts leaking out into real space like a small hole in the roof dripping water on your ceiling during heavy rain. A tear in reality like the Cicatrix Maledictum or the Eye of Terror is like part of the roof collapsing and leaving a whole big enough that lightning bolts occasionally strike your living room; you can still technically just call it a leaky roof, but that's like saying winter on Fenris is just a little nippy.
I see. This is actually my first time learning about the Ruinstorm. I did end up forgetting the fact that the Fall of Cadia happens way later in the timeline.
It's less that he "forgave" them, and more that he didn't unilaterally decree the punishment himself.
1:03 and that is completely accurate, they've been through a lot since their founding and were almost wiped out on several occasions, but that is not even the worst part of their story, I won't spoil it, but just so you know, the Lamenters battlecry is
"For those we cherish we die in glory."
21:28 Cypher is a Fallen Dark Angel, it was originally a title and it is unknown wether the current Cypher is the same one as the one from the heresy, he is incredibly mysterious, on par with the Alpha Legion in terms of seemingly dissapearing and reapearing, he has on occasion aided the imperium and worked against it as well
Almost killed the emperor as well
32:20 Angron didn’t hate the emperor for saving him, he hated the emperor because pulled him away from his people, his fellow slaves who he lead into a revolt. They were surrounded, outnumbered, and starving, but Angron wouldn’t abandon them, he promised them he would stay with them to the end. When the slaver’s armies attacked, the emperor just teleported him away, his fellow slaves, who he considered family, died without him. Angron clearly has survivors guilt, and PTSD.
The channel Old Man Lore has a series called mistakes of the emperor where he talks about it and other things the emperor messed up.
Much more nuanced than simply hating the emperor. I'd say that's good writing.
That and the pain nails implanted all over his head prevents him from feeling any other emotion besides rage and pain.
This why I like Angron so much and me personally I think he had a damn good reason to why he betrayed the Emperor Mortaron however is just full shit no pun intended
@@wyvern_wolf2821 Not entirely true. You can feel other emotions. Just feeling those emotions causes a migraine beyond description.
Lamenters are like their Primark, they are the best boys.
20:39 aye, daemons are shared throughout the settings, however their stories might be somewhat different depending on the setting, for example in 40K Kugath is depressed, in fantasy Kugath is a jolly fella
I'd be depressed too if I spawned into 40k
@@TheLegitWeebs aye true
13:30 there are theories, but we have hints that one was involved in the Rangdan Xenocides, It is also shown that the Primarchs memories of the two lost ones are sealed away for a reason, as Dorn regained them briefly and came to this conclusion before Malcador sealed the memories again
GW also likes to give hints or easter eggs referencing them or giving slight hints to their personality, but the chances of them being given true lore is abbysmally small.
Arbitor Ian has made a video on all the things we do know about them , I highly reccomend it
1:25 Pancreas has a point if he talks about 30K wolves, but just like with bretonnians (please check out the stream about "The Lady" on lorebeards for good explanation on bretonnia's lore) his opinion is slightly biased, to the point where he once left a podcast he hosted with two fellow loremasters because the subject was bretonnians, I WAS THERE THE DAY IT HAPPENED!
(though honestly it might have been for comedy)
"Pancreas broke before the podcast."
@@Brutalyte616 I was there the day Pancreas left the Lorecrimes podcast
24:28 I wouldn't say "democratic", it's just that he sees the need for diplomacy and making a compromise if needed, if anything i'd call him pragmatic
I think there is a scene in one of the books where Guiliman plays a game like tabletop warhammer against Corax, Corax wins against him but as they play Guiliman adapts, and Corax basically said "Once he had my number I couldn't win against him anymore."
Guiliman learns with every encounter and adapts accordingly which makes him more difficult the next time you face him.
As for why the emperor doesn't possess people often, the best Ican figure, in his current state, he's both become something inhuman but also his mind and soul are fragmented, enough pieces have to come together in order for him to basically do anything, and this was caused by the 10,000 years of endless pain and suffering he endures on the throne in combination with his psychic might constantly being pushed to its limit.
13:32 We know a little bit about them, but only small bits and pieces.
The Second
Fulgrim described him as Humorless and Quite man, and called him a Hypocrite when he said Fulgrim was too arrogant to believe he could take a world with few men. This could be taken to mean the Second Legion was small, or the Second took over his world like Fulgrim did. He also noted that the Second was normally contemplative and didnt speak out much.
He was the Thrid Primarch found.
Its Mentioned again by Fulgrim that the Second visted the Ymga Monolith, so he was likely involved with Necron tech to a degree.
The Eleventh
Its noted via Word Bearers when they go back in time, the Emperor Himself came down on the 11th legion in a spearhead.
Horus mentioned something about the 11th still being pure when lookign back at the capsules when he sees a vision of them (and may have cracked the capsule before it was plunged into the warp so may have caused some shit)
The Eleventh was one of the last Primarchs found
In general
Its known via Dorn that had the Two Legions still been around at the time of the Battle of Terra, the Imperium would have already lost
Sanguinius is considered about his gene seed flaws and wants to hide them "so there isnt a thrid empty pillar" of the statues of the Primarchs.
Both fought in the Randgan Xenocides
Lemans Russ and the Space Wolves have two redacted Missions in 965 and 969, indicating that they fell within years od one another, or at the same time.
Its hinted one Legion failed at the Intial Alpha stages thanks to drawing from the wrong population source
Dorn said few of his Brothers interacted with Both Primarchs, and he was one of them.
In Universe, its Rumored the 2nd and 11th Legions were split into the Ultramarines and Imperial Fists (Out of Universe, the Author said it was a rumor only, and in context its Word Bearers talking shit after Monarchia, the fandom just latched onto it so much it became Canon later in the Siege of Terra under a different Author. Memes do affect canon)
Dorn and Guilliman both moved to spare the Space Marines of the Lost Legions, and Cawl backs this up by saying the failure was their fathers.
1e Canon
The Second were the Valedictors
The Elevenths were the Rainbow Warriors.
The Lost Legions are a direct reference to the Lost Legions of Rome
Tinfoil and theory
Its likely that the Second Primarch got involved in Tech Heresy and got put down by Leman Russ to keep the Mechanicum Happy, or something involving the Void Dragon (Who we know the Emperor did unlease during the Second Rangdan Xenocide, which ended the War)
The Eleventh was Found super late in the Crusade and likely first Served in the Xenocides as a new or fresh commander. Its implied he may have been one to be subverted by their Alien Gene Tech (We know the Randgan used Organic ships, weapons and could enthrall entire planets) so likely fell into their hands, leading to Big E himself interveinting. The Failures of Alpha induction was also likely this Legion, as the Second was known to be out and about in the full Crusade very early. His low Marine count probably is also why he was captured so easily.
The Numbers of neither the Imperial Fists nor Ultramarines were likely boosted by much when intergrating any survivors of the Legions. Nigh on few existed past the Horus Heresy as well.
Cawl Said both of their Geneseeds were fine, indicating that the failure of one of them was purely because of taonted sources.
Theres a couple other small tidbits, and some even more contradictory, but thats about the most sense and the largest knowledge I know of the Forgotten and the Purged (which with those names, Im certain the influx of Space Marines for the Ultramarines was well because they had 500 recruiting worlds, not ingesting a Legion that had issues making it to 1k Space Marines to begin with)
To respond the question "Why the emperor doesn't possses people more" is because he can't. When Guilliman talked to the emperor on terra he was more and less than he was. His mind is everywhere and nowhere at the same time, he talked to Guiliman in a cold state like he was a cosmic entity. The emperor is more or less a God in the Making, he is not truly ascended but pretty close from what i know.
The miracles you see in the imperium like the sisters of battle and probaly the legion of the dammed are blessings that the emperor is giving on instinct. It takes a lot of effort to pull yourself togheter from the warp , Celestine has a hard time with that, Sanguinius speaked with Dante at one point. The Emperor managed to do it because the Great Rift was sending warp energy into the material realm empowering him and making psykers pop basicaly everywhere.
So in short the emperor had more power to work with, focused his mind and helped Guiliman because if he died everyone would be dead. But he can't do that everytime because he is not a full god yet and he still has to fight the chaos gods on the warp.
16:04 no this was the horus heresy, the traitors created those storms to keep the ultramarines who had by far the biggest legion out of the war
As far as Legions II & XI go, the plausible theory came around them doing something horrible during the Rangdan Xenocides, that was a hectic war that involved 9 legions along with huge number of imperial assets against these Cthulhu looking aliens that nearly stopped the Imperium in its tracks. Something definitely happened during then which involved at least one or both of the Primarchs one of these 2 legions getting erased right there right then (well if the rumors about Subject XI locked up in the Dark Cells is true, then only Primarch II died).
If i remember correctly in one of those books even the custodes where shook by Guillimans Rage
Arbitor Ian has a great video on the lore (or what of it exists) for the lost legions (II & XI)
Might check it out! Thanks for letting me know.
9:02 pretty much, though it should be noted these were Deathwatch marines, these are not a "chapter" but rather a cooperation between different chapters to create elite Xenos purging teams that can be used for missions against Xeno threats specifically. Their whole thing is killing xenos and they are indoctrinated to do so, but it doesn't exactly excuse them halting Ynead's birth
With the lost legions there is lore but its very sparce and always vauge for example we know one "died" during the rangdan xenoxides it was so bloody and terrible that the dark angles went from the largest legion into a fraction of its size and the other we are hinted that leman russ killed for some reason. During the seige of terra rogal dorn asked malcador to return his memory snd he agreed and dorn said it they were both still here they would side with horus.
Guilliman IS 40K Karl Franz.
Gud at foightin) ✅
Statesman) ✅
Possessed by God while fighting against nurgle) ✅
Is 40k Karl Franz) ✅
In terms of 40k lore videos, I would highly recommend Baldermort's videos, especially the ones about the Salamanders, Night Lords, and Rogal Dorn.
Snipe and Wib have a pretty good video on the Lamenters, covering not just what is known about them in game, but also how their lore developed irl.
That author? Matt Ward, dude made Ultrasmurfs the Garry Stu of warhammer for quite a while. His contributions to the old necron lore is good but the smurfs? Oh dear.....
1:44 yup, the Matt Ward Era, Matt wasn't a bad writer, after all, he gave us Trazyn the infinite, but he showed a lot of favoritism to his preferred factions, I mean Cato Sicarius defeating a transcendent C'tan shard?
This idea of "all chapters aspire to be like the ultramarines", ultimately ended up with a lot of other space marine players gaining a dislike towards them, it has waned in recent years after new lore additions.
Im pretty sure Vulkan also had a decent childhood so he another of the very few
The II and XI are implied in the Horus Heresy to have fucked up to the point that the memory of what they did are wiped from the other Primarch's memories.
By recommendation of Guilliman and Dorn.
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: when your weapon of choice is dual power fists, you have some wrath in you.
He is not the best fighter among his brothers, but when he decides that bloody satisfaction is more important than tactical efficiency, you are in for a brutally bad time.
No the great rift was formed in 40k the ruin storm that cut guilliman off from terra was in 30k
Also the emperor didnt possess guilliman but just revived him and powered him up it was still guilliman who told mortarian he could be redeemed.
We can thank Matt Ward and his absolute fanboyism for the Ultramarines’…contentious reputation.
Now, Matt’s not an objectively bad writer: he’s done work on Castellan Crowe, who people like, and he came up with Trazyn the Infinite, who people _love…_
But when he’s asked to write Ultramarines…
Well…you’ve played Space Marine. Remember Leandros? Imagine an entire chapter of him but they’re absolutely flawless and ten times as insufferable.
An entire chapter full of Leandros would make me cringe so hard that I tear a hole into the warp from the backlash
In modren 40k, gilliman has ultra depression.
The Lion and Horus where then beat battlefield generals of them. While some of the brothers where great plannwrs and others where innovative and flexible as commqnsers, the Lion and Horus where both
I'm one of the heresy novels Guilliman states this to his mother figure upon learning the Lion is on his way to Maccrqge. Guilliman admits the only brothers he ever felt in awe of where the Lion and Horus.(It also should be noted t that Lion and Guilliman where the only ones of the brothers other than Horus who had been really considered for the Warmaster position )
If you arent familiar with the channel, DQVO does great voice over work for 40k stuff.
One of my favorites is his video on The Devastation of Baal, where Dante talks to Guilliman.
4:45 thank you.....
I would argue that Guilliman simply being on the battlefield is a horribly inefficient waste of his abilities, and that he should run things from his desk. Especially now that Lion is awake, I would go as far as to argue that he should just let LION use the Emperor's Sword!
Lion was always the better fighter, by far. With dad's sword, he'd be whipping demon primarchs and inflicting true death to greater daemons on a scale that Roboute never could. More importantly, Guilliman could finally unclog the radioactive sewer that is Imperial bureaucracy, and finally get things running efficiently!
Let Lion and his forces be the driving spear against the Imperium's enemies, while Guilliman dedicates himself to improving the Imperium as a whole: not only will the military forces have better supply lines, new/better weapons and superior organization, but the overall standards of living will improve too!
I refuse even think about Guilliman as 'Rubute'. He's Rob-out/Rub-out (heh) for me. Brits won't make me think otherwise.
Imo, prior to more recent developments, in Horus Heresy and 30k to 41k timeline Corpse on the Golden Throne was written as big fatalist. There were multiple occasions where He just stepped away onto the next thing after one failure:
1) Primarchs project scattered by warp and circumstances? Whatever, lets start the Crusade and gather boys along the way.
2) Magnus and lesser characters dabbing into warp powers? Whatever, just forbid everything warp-related without explanations (event is called Council of Nikaea), never oversee this matter personally after that.
3) Lorgar matter, He just put overseeing squad of Custodes into Word Bearers to prevent them from rebelling after blue guys burned their planet. But didnt care about Lectitio Divinitatus (the book about Him being a deity) disseminating all over the Crusade. Again, just turned away after doing one thing.
4) Magnus broke into the Throne Room through sorcery? Whatever, punish Magnus and don't try to fix anything. Paraphrasing, "oh no such big project ruined". Ofc its not that simple in this matter, but again no explanation was given to others, just kept lamenting and working in secret.
5) Corax coming with plea to get advanced knowledge of creating new Astartes (happened during HH, Raven Guard suffered heaviest casulties from heretics, to replenish them Corax came up with the idea of getting that knowlege) ? Whatever, let him get that knowledge and don't oversee what happens after. Of course Chaos intervened and newly Raven Guard Astartes became horrible mutants, throwing Corax into depths of despair...
And that's only what i can write from memory, haha. Tbh, fatalist characters usually come with background of being disillusioned by previous experiences. And oh boy, Corpse on the Golden Throne surely don't lack such experiences.
Anyways, regarding Karl vs Guilliman. Both are kinda author's babies, but stuff pinned on them is different in scale, not even in local/galactic sense. Karl been dealing with existing provinces of Empire, through politics and diplomacy and war. On Guilliman authors pinned creating multiple new frameworks from ground up: Ultramar realm, where before reuniting with Terra forces he already established trade with other worlds near Maccrage, and after he united 500 worlds under Ultramar banner; written his Codex Astartes (its not that important in grand scheme, since even Ultramarines not obliged to follow the Codex to the letter hahaha, But again, like Lorgar's book, other big leaders didn't create something like that; then aformentioned Second Imperium; and most important of all - dividing former Legions into Chapters, which affected not only Ultramarines but all other remaining loyal Legions, not an easy thing to do.
If anything, Guilliman lacks a hammer, lol. During HH he himself explained to his men that Codex allows to be flexible if needed. And yet, he didn't manage to 'hammer down' this wisdom into all his men, hence Leandros and the likes exist.
P.S.: Looking forward to you getting more knowledge about HH/40k lore. There looots things you don't know yet: from lore of many factions human and xenos and best ones obviously Chaos factions, to characters, to events of HH/30-42k, to places. I mean, Cadia's fall is a recent-ish thing, it fallen to 13th Dark Crusade, but before that there were 12 other Dark Crusades lol! Or Vandire's Heresy, or wars for Armageddon. Hope you having fun with 40k lore too, hehe. Cheers!
21:28 "who's Cypher?"
Me: that's a very good question 😂
Laurels. He's wearing Laurels on his head.
6:00 Squeee.... not for any sense of justice, just that my comic heroes died for a point.... Someone somewhere thought this crap should mean something...... @Jeremy Hall
27:08 it's kinda hard to scale Franz and Roboute, they are different beings working on another scale, Karl is an emperor who has to do political maneuvring to keep the empire together and unify against threats. While Guilliman does a similar thing he is a Primarch working on a galactic scale with a more or less unified army, comparing them is thus pretty difficult due to all the factors involved.
however Guilliman being made to be a statesman and logistics guy propably would have the edge, primarchs are litteraly created to do something and they are verry good at those things.
I'd go with Franz though as his interspecies diplomacy is better than guillimans, but that is my own biased opinion since i prefer fantasy to 40K
And Franz does all this as a normal guy, as opposed to giant superhuman
The fact that Franz has to do all that as a normal guy as opposed to a Space Marine hand crafted for the job does tilt it in his favor imo. I guess it's a matter of preference though.
@@warbacca1017 exactly
@@TheLegitWeebs aye
Yeah Guilliman is currently my favorite Primarch.
Hmm not luthor harkon but it shall do finely.
So there is basically no lore about the second and eleventh legions, the only thing we do know is Leoman Russ felt bad about something he did involving them. The implication being he is more than likely the one who killed at least one of the primarchs of said legions.
Blueberry best.