Razor MX650/MX500 Electric Dirt bike Upgrade Comparison
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- This video is to compare different performance characteristics between stock mx500/mx60 with the same bike with upgraded components. The cheap kit can be found on ebay and amazon. The last video shows the same spec motor, though it is from a company known for higher quality parts, but the performance difference between the cheap kit and the more expensive one is largely do to the much higher quality Kelly speed controller that has the ability to demand more amperage from the batteries to send to the motor. You can't really tell in the video, but the Kelly contoller provides much more power that is also infinately more smoothe and consistent to the ebay kit. You can modify the ebay controller to give better power output, but I have yet to do that on my build. My Kelly Controller and Kunray 2kw motor were purchased from Gerardo Salas (contact information below).
Speed Runs
0:00 - Intro - 0:00
1:43 - Stock 36v 1:43
2:55 - 48v SLA batteries with stock motor and controller 2:55
3:57 - Cheap Ebay Vevor kit with 48v greenway batteries 3:57
5:25 - Gerardo Salas tuned kit with 48v greenway batteries 5:25
6:15 -All Runs Side-by-side comparison 6:15
ebay vevor 48v 3kw motor and speed controller
www.ebay.com/itm/164981974940...
Gerardo Salas on facebook
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Saying "Get off youtube, go outside, ride your motorcycle, and have fun" is one of the best and most creative outros I have ever heard! This video is just amazing!
Hey thanks man! I don’t really know how to respond to that sort of compliment other than I hope where you are is warm enough to take my advice!
Good info! Thanks for sharing, I’ve always wondered those exact outcomes with those mods.
Glad to help! All of my bikes are currently down with flats 😭 I need to get the back up and running.
Nice modifications! It’s pretty cool what you can do with these things! I, personally, have converted the razor mx350 to 49cc gas, and it’s a lot of fun!
That’s awesome! And exactly what my dad wants to do as well.
Thank you bro for the tips of improvement 😁
Welcome! It was fun to make!
Awesome video, you killed it on the edit. And that bump jump the little one did at the begining was impressive 👏 👌
Thank you. It was a labor of love. I had to fit that clip in there somewhere - it’s my favorite!
@@NerdsWithFriends Man, that would made me so proud lol. Was it on purpose or did she get a good scare? haha.
@@nxdboi 💯 on purpose. She did it so many times. That’s how I got the multi-angle shot. Haha.
Thanks for the info, great video!
No problem! Let me know if you have any questions. If I don’t know- I’ll point you in the right direction.
Dude!!! I dont know how to do these mods at all but i want to try lol.. so much fun!!!!
It really has been a blast! They are pretty simple, though lithium can be dangerous so be careful. But it’s so fun.
EXCELLENT Video MAN. Should be mad helpful. Got my sub. Cheers💯🍻
Thanks man! Just getting in to the new house. I don’t know that there will be a ton of motorcycle updates - but there will be more than zero. If I end up doing many more ride on videos it will be on a different dedicated channel that I have created but yet to upload anything on. I think it would be a ton of fun! But first- I gotta finish moving. Haha
Awesome side by side! Thank you.
Welcome! Hope it was helpful/ enjoyable. I think the next video going up will be an easy mod for power wheels.
I bought the 350s for my kids and wanted to see if the 500 or 650 best fit and was the cost difference worth it. Going for the 650 and can mod if it gets that deep. Thanks again very helpful.
@@capncrunch1010 yea. We ended up upgrading my little girl to the 550 quicker than anticipated for the suspension alone. She got bounced around way too much. The 1st gen mx350 had full suspension but they are very hard to find. Happy riding!
Are your brakes stock or have you changed them out? If so, which ones did you go with?
Great job. Nice video. What speedometer r u using?
It’s called speedometer simple on iOS App Store. I actually don’t love the app. Tons of ads and kind of slow and skippy- but that may be a limitation to gps speedometer apps. It doesn’t do video overlay like you see in this video- that was done in video editing software. I matched the speedometer up with the video by doing a screen recording on my phone, clapping my hands, and syncing up the audio between all the clips.
Great comparison. With regard to eBay 48v 2000w kit is the controller 33amp controller or a 45amp controller?
The listing says 34a but I didn’t think to look at the sticker on the actual unit. I’ll try and remember to pull it apart tomorrow and get back to you.
Enjoyed you video. I'm run the vevor 48v 2000w kit on two bikes , MX + RSF 650 . I built my own batteries. I'm running 60v on both bike . I did a suspension upgrade on both . Question did you drill out the vent holes in the motors. That makes a big difference on the temperature.
Glad you enjoyed it! I did not drill out any bigger holes on either build. The kunray has a heat sink I slapped on there that I had purchased for a stock motor but ended up killing the motor before I got the chance. I’m kind of hesitant to drill the holes bigger since we do so much off road riding but maybe I’m just being paranoid. Any performance improvements along with the heat?
@@NerdsWithFriends The motors have internal fans so more air flow the better. How well does the heat sink work?
@@noce1071 honestly I don’t have a way to benchmark it. Still gets fairly warm
But I haven’t had it get too hard to touch.
Let's see a 13 tooth sprocket comparison on each. That would net some interesting results for sure
I did temporarily have a 13t on the last set up. Got about 35mph but I liked the torque better rather than the extra top speed.
@@NerdsWithFriends makes perfect sense!
@@NerdsWithFriends that's awesome to know I have all the same mods that you have listed but with 13t just haven't pieced it together. Waiting for this weekend. Thanks for replying
@@TURBOMOOSE it’s so fun! You’ll have a blast on it.
Considering the 2000w motor you got, what is your battery’s max wattage output rated at?
So supposedly my batteries are each rated at 30 amps. 48v packs are 52 volts fully charged. My batteries are ran in parallel meaning I should be able to pull 60 amps. 60ax52v=3120 watts. That’s the math but I’m a novice so if there is more to it, I am unaware.
So you didn't run into any issues with burning the stock motor up when running it at 48v? Do you have to change the throttle when you do that?
So the biggest problem with overvolting is heat. Light riders should not have any issues. They exceed on flat pavement. Once you start having heavier riders, hilly terrain, and especially riding in the grass you can start burning up motors.
The stock throttle is fine.
The Vevor and the Kunray kits are the same kits . They just are to different distributors. My 48v 2000w kit was 139 on ebay.
My vevor kit was also $139ish. The two motors look exactly the same to me but people on the forums swear that kunray is a higher quality German made motor. 🤷🏼♂️ but the controller makes a huge difference either way.
Oh- to be clear I didn’t buy the kunray with a kit on eBay. I sourced it from a different distributor and got a Kelly controller- not a kit controller.
@@NerdsWithFriends when my controller fries I'm going with the kelly controller. You are totally correct. The controller is the most important part. Which kelly controller are you running. I don't know about Kunray being from Germany.
@@noce1071 honestly- I don’t KNOW either. I’m kind of taking guy at his word. It looks identical to my vevor 🤷🏼♂️ I have the KVD7212N
@@NerdsWithFriends thanks. I have priced the controller on the Kelly website . They are great controllers.
good comparison. would like to know the cost for the 3 different upgrades.
Hey- sorry I never saw this comment come in! I’d have to do some research. The lead acid batteries I already had laying around. The orange batteries were around $120 a piece, the cheap controller and motor also around $120 and I don’t remember how much I paid for the better motor and controller but I can tell you I overpaid the guy. You can get them for far cheaper than what I gave.
To say theres more on the table is an understatement! I'm running 3000w kunray, khb kelly, 120v. 0-30 2.8 sec. factory gearing 47mph top speed. 210lb rider.
Of course. But you’re talking a completely different budget 🤣
@@NerdsWithFriends less than what most spend on the good "72v Razor kits". But I hear ya! Def in the $800 range depending on lipo bat sales.
@@AdamOpheim yea. That’s the big spender. Batteries are crazy expensive!
@@AdamOpheim I have been running lipos aswell. It seems alot of people are worried or scared to run lipo batteries. Currently running 21s on 3000kw motor and cheap 80a ESC. Can definitely build one for 800!
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I just bought the 36 V razor controller and the throttle and a 36 V 12 amp hour lithium ion battery and over bolted the 24 V motor. Im 215 and I get 22mph on flat ground.
Which 24v motor did you use? Was that on the 350 or the did you swap out the mx650 36v motor for a 24v?
@@NerdsWithFriends the stock motor that comes on the 350 24v and then I bought a 36v stock razor throttle and stock 36v razor controller
@@AnewDaddy very cool! Yea, volts typically correspond to top speed while amps give you your torque figure. An Mx350 stock should do around 14mph (at 24v) so at 36v you’d expect the top speed to be 150% the normal speed which is pretty much right where you are. That’s awesome that you’re able to reach those speeds as a full grown man! Be careful with it in the grass though- I burnt up a couple 36v motors in mx350’s. If you do burn it up, there is a 500 watt version of that motor you can throw in there that handles the heat better but, ironically, it’s actually slower at about 17mph if memory serves me correctly. (I have the motor on my buggy now. I no longer have any 350’s) but the 500w motor is already rated at 36v.
my son is 5'2, at 11, would the mx650 be ok for him or should I get something bigger?
I’m 5’8 and I love riding it. It will be small but I’d guess he’d get a couple years of fun riding before he gets too cramped. Looks like a clown car… motorcycle with me on it but it doesn’t stop the fun!
I need this, im in nyc so riding a actual dirt bike isnt the best of ideas. I dont have all the money to get it and do upgrades, should I buy it now then save up for upgrades or just save up tilll I can afford whole thing? Would very much so appreciate your input!
Be patient. Piece by piece is fine. Keep your eye out on offer up, Facebook marketplace and Craigslist. You’ll find a good deal on a used bike - I got one of mine free but it may take a while. Batteries are the most expensive part (if going lithium) so get on the forums to watch out for good deals on used packs. You can always use cheap SLA (lead acid) batteries as well while saving for batteries - but lithium performance is where it’s at. You can overvolt the stock controller and motor by 50% (so 48v) and it should be a problem- especially in NYC where I assume most of your riding will be on pavement.
@@NerdsWithFriends just found on with lithium 48v and 2000w motor and controller for $600. it has a extended back wheel base thing I dont like, but has a cool matte green color and black rims
@@BlazeTrades oh heck yea. The extended swing arm is awesome! I wish mine had one so I could lift it a bit and maybe put a bigger tire.
@@NerdsWithFriends ill trade you the one I get it with for the stock one if you want, id rather be able to wheelie
@@BlazeTrades I think shipping would be cost prohibitive haha.
Don’t call me a nerd!
It’s a compliment. It’s a select group 😊
Can you post a link to the batteries?
Unfortunately the batteries have become hard to come by. Keep your eye out on eBay for “greenway 48v”. I guess I didn’t mention it in the video but they are reclaimed/ used batteries.
Do you know where I can get a razor rsf650???
Sorry can’t help you with that one 👎. I’ve been keeping an eye out on local marketplaces here and no dice.
What battery you using?
I’ve been running the greenway orange batteries with no issue. I have 2x in parallel. They each have a 30a BMS. 2 in parallel allows me to pull 60a to my controller.
Nerd hops on an electroandco 5000w 72v razor, mind blown. 🤯
One day. Haha. Budget constrains me. I want to go 72v but I need some other creature comforts first. My suspension is so bad- bare minimum I need a new shock, headlight, then probably cosmetics. After that I may go 72v.
I want to put that Kunray on a MTB.
I want a surron or an x260 😂
@@NerdsWithFriends i'll never be able to afford one, i had kids LOL
@@DirtDigglerDetecting I feel ya. Sometimes we have to make sacrifices. I’ll choose my oldest.
@@NerdsWithFriends :)
This may be a noob question but how do you charge when adding another SLA battery? Will it work or do you need a different charger?
Not at all man. You can get 48v lead acid chargers, usually made for something like a golf kart. What I did when I had multiple lead acids to charge (I’m not saying best practice, it’s just what I did) is got a splitter and charged my 12v batteries in parallel. I used a 12v trickle charger with an adapter that had like 5 connectors on it that would charge each battery to 12v and then reconnect them in series. You could also use a 24v split to charge 2 banks of 24v batteries in parallel before reconnecting them in series.
I apologize if this doesn’t make sense. It be much easier to draw out or show you. Are you on the Facebook group?
you have to change the gearing my diy e scooter with vevor kit goes 35mph in 10 seconds
nevermind mine is on li-ion, i just realised you are using sla batteries, you may wanna figure out how many amps you are actually pulling through them id interested to know
Oh no- I’m on lithium on all my builds. I could change gearing- but I like the torque I’m getting on my bike as is. I was getting around 34ish with the 13t but I went back to 11t
The stock MX650 can handle 48 volt lithium ion without an issue running around 23 mph
Yea dude! I show that in the video around the 3:00 minute mark. 😊
@@NerdsWithFriends not really at 3min mark it says SLA 48v on screen which is sealed lead acid battery not a lithium. The lithium is a lot lighter and has more punch
@@stower82 gotcha. I see what your saying. Yes, a we also ran them a 48v Lithium with the stock controller before going brushless. I didn’t really think of doing that setup for the video since it was the same voltage. I misunderstood what you were saying. As I was.
I would love to see a video on how you did each upgrade. Even if it was just taking the cowling off and pointing to the changes. Great video. We are also new to the MX 650. I’m assuming you need all new chargers?
im sickrn thats why in not night riding
Sorry to hear that! Get well soon!
@@NerdsWithFriends thanks
The sx500 frame is more custom friendly then mx650 as more room in the battery box
I believe it. I did cut the battery trays out of 2 of my 3 bikes. Haven’t seen an sx for cheap around here.
Im looking to purchase the mx500 but i weight 220lbs. I know its only rated for 175lbs and the mx650 is rated for 220lbs. I wonder is the frame structural strength the same? Im gonna mod the entire power train and suspension so is the weight rating only because the mx650 has more power stock so it can support bigger riders or is it a structural thing?
@@daflip1500 I have one of each and to me they look identical. On the forums people also say they are identical- down to the motor and controller. I don’t know if that part is true but from a physical perspective I don’t believe there will be any benefit to one over the other especially if you are replacing the power train. It is the same bike.