Moza Racing R9 Wheel Base Review
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- čas přidán 10. 03. 2022
- Moza Racing hit the scene last year with their entry into the market with their DD wheelbase. Today, we take a look at their new wheelbase. So let’s take a deep dive into this base and find out what we think of it.
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"The smoothness, of the movement in this shaft, is just amazing."
Yup ,you mean exactly what I think you mean 😶
that's what she said
Ahh.. yeah. 😂
Shawn Cole you been my favorite at this stuff since I got my first Fanatec Porsche 911 turbo S and I built your PVC sim rig to go with it (from ISR). Thanks for all the years of great content mate
Fantastic review Shaun! These looks super promising. If this was available when I ordered my CSL DD I’d have a hell of a hard time deciding what to choose.
Great in-depth review Shaun!
Your video made me order. Upgrading it from my csl dd. Great review. 👍🏾
Great review Shawn. I currently have a Fanatec DD1 and I must say, you really don't need over 10Nm, let alone 8 so this ins right on the sweet spot. With Fanatec really not delivering on the after sales and parts side, let alone the poor reliability issues, I'm looking to move to a new brand like this, so it's great to see.
Biggest thing is I can walk into Micro Center here in Chicago tomorrow and walk out with a R9. Who knows when the hell the Fanatec CSL DD will be back in stock.
Man i wish we had a microcenter 😅.
Great job Shaun, again!!
Thank you for providing detailed measurements including weight for this device! I was searching for that info every where. It makes all the difference for someone like me who is using a foldable rig.
Glad it was helpful!
Did you end up getting the R9? If so which foldable rig do you have, and how does it hold up?
@@DeltaInsanity I did! I bought the R9 to pair with the NLR Gt-Lite foldable cockpit. It held up fine but ultimately I decided to upgrade to the Sim-Lab GT1 Evo aluminum rig. The GT-Lite with the R9 was miles ahead of my old logitech g920. My biggest complaint is that the R9 would shake the whole rig and make some unpleasant noises. My other problem is that the R9 + TLCM pedals made moving the rig impractical. It got pretty heavy and difficult to move around by myself.
@@erichemphill2834 you were basically in the same situation I'm in, I've currently got the G29 on a GT Lite. When you mention the noises, were you afraid it would damage the rig, or is it just unpleasant? When I sim race I use IEMs and barely hear anything over the game sounds. And my sim rig is stationary, I just can't afford to upgrade both my wheel and rig at the same time, I'm looking to just get the R9. Do you think the GT Lite would be adequate for the R9 and some entry level LC pedals in my circumstances?
@@erichemphill2834 Hi does the R9 bolt direct to the NLR Gt-Lite rig with out modification?
I own r9+gs wheel. Damn good quality. No issues so far.
you do have the gs wheel with that soft material grips right? because as i can see now they ship it with perforated leather grips...
Great review Shaun :)
22:16 I'm looking at the full screen size of the FBB Effect Equalizer. Oh! I get it now. That's smart! I see how this works. Back around 11:18 was when you first showed this feature. The screen of it was too small for me recognize what it was. Now that I see it better. You are right! "It is not directly tied into the game." You said "noise". There you go. It's using the sounds from the sensors. Very smart!
In short. FBB is an audio equalizer. Functions just like the one you use with your high end stereo. The prof are the frequency scale at the bottom and amplitude on the side. (The labels at the top indicate the sound/frequency range for that function. I'm sure it is a general average reference.) It listens to the sounds from the car. Changes the output based on your settings and feeds that info into the system control.
Thanks for all the info. At 29:40 you mentioned a comparable Fanatec Wheel base at 8nm would be around $700? I feel like that might be incorrect? As of March 17 a CSL DD 8NM is $499.95 US and the GT DD Pro standalone 8NM is $599.95.
had a top gear ad it has to be the most interesting ad I have ever watched
Great review as always Shaun. I'm trying to decide between the R9+CS , Alpha Mini+GTS or G Pro DD as my next sim upgrade. Do you plan on reviewing the G Pro at any point ? a shootout between these 3 would be awesome !
This is the best review that ive seen , if i had seen this before i would have gotten a r16 instead of the r9
great review
If this was available when I ordered my CSL-DD, I would have spent $950 for the Moza and the RS steering wheel. I spent about that much for the CSL-DD, a McLaren GT3 V2, and the WRC wheel rim.
I am here sitting with my Logitech G27 and being relatively competitive. Though, the wheel setup is not compatible with Win11 (run in compatibility mode). Just ordered the R9 the other day so I look forward to my first DD wheel setup. Sim raced on logitech for like 15 - 20 years (going back to the old red logitech MOMO wheel setup). Look forward to turning some laps in ACC soon and curious if I'll be any faster.
If they can make like a $200-300 usd wheels, they can take a good chunk of customers away from fanatec, especially since fanatec only caters to four countries+Europe. 45-55 days waiting time is fair as long as they can deliver it worldwide
Agreed, especially here in New Zealand where there's no option for dd wheels that work with both pc and consoles. My money is waiting to be taken.
Apparently they've said a cheaper wheel will be coming "very soon"
they listened lol
The new CS wheel is $279 USD
The new CS wheel is $279 USD
@The Simpit … do you have any comment about the “notchy” feeling when turning the wheel side to side - something that SRG mentions in his review? When turning the wheel, did you notice it didn’t feel smooth? Thank you.
Thanks you for the review. I am T500 RS user for many years and looking for upgrade to a DD wheel. I Looking for those Moza D9 or the Simagic Alpha Mini 10Nm wheel. My question is that the T500 RS wear me out after let's say a 30 minutes race on Kunos titles, hard stuff! Is there some kind of different between belt FFB wheel power and DD wheel power? What I mean is then some kind of difference feeling of the power between both.
There is always going to be a difference between belt driven and direct drive. With belt drive wheels there will always be a dampening effect as the belt is transferring the forces from the motor to a pulley your wheel connects to. With direct drive, you feel the forces directly from the motor
Sorry if is already answered. Is this dd base compatible with aftermarket wheels, like 3d printed wheels? thank you. Great Work as always. Thank you.
May i ask, if you have played with pithouse ffb more and have any settings recommendations
Great review Shaun thx. Assume I could use my v3 fanatec pedals with this wheel?
Yes you can!
what is cool about the GS wheel is that it now comes apparently with a perforated leather grip instead of that alcantara.
to me who plays without gloves it just feels nicer in the hand and the wear and tear is also not as prominent with perforated leather grips.
Thank you! Is there a crack inside the base? some clicks
Lol 27:53 We both use the exact same phrasing in both our reviews XD
lol, that's funny. great job on your review!
Any chance you'll review the Cammus 15Nm wheelbase ($499)? No proprietary wheel, use a standard car quick release.
I was choosing between this and csl dd and I bought this. The quality seems top notch. I get the wheels are expensive but hey if you want cheap plastic wheels get csl.
you could also use any wheel with a commonly available QR hub, this is the direction im thinking of going until moza releases a more affordable wheel
@@macsgo2hell how to do that? Do you mind sharing a little bit more? Maybe just give a brand or model for example?
@@sixx1095 NRG, Simagic, or D2 QR’s are compatible with the Moza wheel base. At that point you can use any applicable wheel for whatever bolt pattern you get the quick release in. The wheel won’t have any buttons obviously, but a third party USB button box can be configured with this type of setup
@@macsgo2hell awesome, thank you sir
@@macsgo2hell I am in the same situation, they are already in Europe for €460... it will arrive in May...
Hi there! I currently have had a t300 gt for over 2 years and a half. I’m considering upgrading. I play lots of ETS2 and ATS. I also do quite a little bit of Beamng. Do you recommend me getting this wheel base+ wheel?
A DD wheel base would be an upgrade over a belt driven wheel. If you are talking about the Truck wheel, I'd go for it.
Is it possible to use a standard NRG quick release and attach any ebay wheel on it like the simagic alpha/alpha mini series?
yes...QR D1
Great reviews! I want to order it, but 40-50 days lead time is daunting for sure. Hopefully there will be a NA distributor come online soon.
Check with Simmotion in Wa state. I just ordered the R16 myself from them. Hopefully they'll be shipping out at the end of March, but with the latest China covid lockdown, might be longer.
@@WmAllen23 I bought my HE Sprints from them. Great customer service.
I'll give them a call!
Can you add other steering wheels from simucube osw fanatec will it need some adaptor
Thanks Shaun, I remember watching you review the Fanatec CSR / Porsche wheels back in the day, that was my first wheel setup. This was a good review as well! I had a feeling these low power DD wheels would be the sweet spot and it's good to see confirmation of that.
Just ordered one of these with the CS wheel for under $800 shipped! Seems like a great time to get back into sim racing.
They did just announce I think the hand brake. Should do a review for that. Wonder when we will get a shifter from them
the shifter is out!
For me the price of the wheel is a non-problem. Because you will pay a lot, but you get also a premium wheel that you will never change. For example I play a lot ACC and the Formula-rim is just perfect. High-quality builted and you will not need another formula rim again. Anyway a more affordable rim would be good for them, because a lot of people is asking for that. And because, evidently, not everybody is enthusiast as me. Anyway any rim they will make, according to me, will not be cheaper than 200 dollars-euros.
Seems like a great Direct Drive wheelbase, but if they want to compete with Fanatec per say; they need to have a universal wheel hub adapter, and also make it Playstation / Xbox compatible.
Regarding the hub remember these units use D1 spec QR so you could easily just get the QR and attach the wheel you want through that. it would need to be USB powered but its all possible.
Also regarding playstation/Xbox you can use these units by buying an adapter allowing you to use this with either. :)
@@benllewellyn1888 not sure where you get the idea that you can just make a wheel base PS or Xbox compatible with an "adapter" whatever that means. Playstation compatibility comes from a proprietary chip provided by Sony themselves that has to be integrated onto the motherboard
@@tylerhicks621 This. Plus the fact that Sony demands license payment for that, wich is why PS compatibility will significantly increase the price. The Fanatec CSL DD base is exactly 100€ more with PS compatibility.
Can not find an R9 bundle in the UK for sale.
The only thing that brings the moza down is the shipping costing more than the wheel base if you want it in 3 weeks they have the 40-50 days for $50.
go to your local distributor and it solves this problem
Where are they from?
@@One21P China I believe.
So moza has same mounting holes as fanatec csl dd? Or did I understand false
I’m really surprised it’s not called Finatec SeeSL DD or something.
Would love to get this wheel base but I'm hoping they release a wheel rim around the $200 range
this is definitely something being worked on :)
I dont think Look a simagic they die the Same No Budget wheels
@@abcc7404 you're right but I don't think simagic has a budget wheel base. I wouldn't consider the mini a budget base.
@@abcc7404 Im a distributor selling Moza wheels and wheelbases and i can promise you a budget wheel is in the works, specifically for this wheelbase to make it as affordable as possible! :)
@@benllewellyn1888 i Trust your word's😁 i Hope when the wheels get released the price of this Base dont Go Up then the Combination Base and (Bugdet) wheel would be the gamechanger
Can you use a non-Moza wheel? Like a real wheel you have spare laying around and with a 3d printed adapter?
They sell the wheel-side QR so yes, you can use other wheel. The buttons are different matter though, it's either connected thru USB or separate wireless one.
Ive heard of some notchiness from Boosted Media and SRG is this true?
The other thing that concerns me is that the company is based in China. if I'm not mistaken. Do they have repair/service facilities in other world regions, e.g. US, EU, etc? What happens when something goes wrong and I need to send my product in for service? Looking on their web site, it states "consumers are responsible for the shipping costs when sending their product(s) back if the permission is granted".
It's bad enough that they won't cover shipping costs when sending back for repair (Fanatec does cover this, to their credit)...but if there are no regional repair centers, that could be a deal-breaker.
Local distributors will be able to handle this for you. For instance im the distibutor in the UK with abruzzi and we are there to offer any service and repair thats needed. We also send out to europe and offer the same service.
@@benllewellyn1888 That's good to hear. Any idea if there is currently (or if there are plans in the near future for) a North American distributor(s)?
@@trippulggaming26 I beleve there are two or three in NA i havent been given their names yet though. If i find out i will post them here for you.
@Shaun - Hi. Are you using motion anymore? Just looked at your GSeat review and you said that you couldn’t drive without it, but based on the more recent videos, it looks like you have made major changes to your equipment and motion is not a part of it anymore. Perhaps it’s time for A Rig update video? 😀
will it work on the Playstation aswell?
Only if they make it also compatible with consoles XboxseriesX and Ps5 definitely a big competition for Fanatec.
It's just unfortunate that the price of the wheels from Moza is way more expensive and looks like you only have 2 models to choose from, compared to the huge variety from Fanatec both in terms of form/function/pricing.
Yeah right now this is their downfall! there is a budget friendly wheel coming soon and there will be more added throughout the year, fanatec has had years to build their collection of wheels. Moza will get there though. They are being very careful to only launch products when they are ready! They made the mistake of giving the R16 to reviewers in a pre production state and it set them back a long way with their reputation. They have worked extremely hard to rectify this and not release things too soon. There will be more wheels though coming to really take the fight to Fanatec. :)
@@benllewellyn1888 That'll be great! More competition is always better for the players. Seems like the real loser at the moment is Thrustmaster who have been caught with their pants down after years of being the name in the upper-entry level segment. Then Fanatec comes out with a DD option at the same price as TM's geared/belt option, now Moza. It's like they were just resting on their laurels these past years thinking no one could come in and really challenge them at the pricepoint.
If they can make like a 200-300 wheels, they can take a good chunk of customers away from fanatec, especially since fanatec only caters to four countries+Europe. 45-55 days waiting time is fair as long as they can deliver it worldwide
Can I use my Fanetec pedals with this?
Not using the same software. But plug them into any USB port and you'll be good. Unless you have the one type of their pedals that doesn't offer USB, then you'll need the adapter, still works though.
You not mentioning the fanatec CSL by name seems suspect.
Nice review, but since I can only use it with one of their wheels (500 bucks) plus the shipping and VAT on top, Fanatec is far cheaper especially in the EU. I would even get the 8 Nm base with their CSL three pedal load cell kit plus the GT wheel for under 1k Euro. For this I would pay at least 200 bucks more thanks to VAT with a better wheel, but no pedals, no console compatibility and no service anywhere near.
There are local distributors in the EU who can help with some of that. The cost is higher right now but more entry level wheels are coming and this will give very similar pricing to the fanatec bundles.
@@benllewellyn1888 Fanatec also comes with long term durability experiences wich are nonetheless great overall. Moza still has to prove that their bases work for years. Speaking about the competing bases (CSL DD 8nm vs. Moza R9) even via a local Moza distributor with VAT and import fees included, the Fanatec base is still cheaper in the EU.
@@r4dio4ctiv3man9 Fanatec base is 12Euros cheaper in the EU. Yes personally i used to have fanatec and i had no issues with my kit at all. I think in terms of durability and knowing the lifespan fanatec has that for sure. I would be pretty confident in saying the Moza will last just as long though, At the end of the day they are just electric motors all built for commercial use and designed to last years.
@@benllewellyn1888 Propably, but there is no experience with it. Also i highly doubt that Moza will keep the current price tag. I´m primarily doing combat flight simming and i have seen this before in the Joystick section. Thrustmaster was the standard for decades until Virpil came up with their full metal (housing and gimbal) joystick base as well as their excellent throttle. In the beginning, a complete Virpil HOTAS was just slightly more expensive than the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS while beeing way superior to the TM peripherals. With increasing popularity among the flight sim community over the years, prices raised constantly while availability decreased. A year ago or so, the space sim community started to discover this manufactor as well and prices increased even more. Today, if you want to get a Virpil HOTAS you paying almost double the price than for a TM Warthog HOTAS and the Virpil shop is constantly out of stock. The point is, Virpil was far superior to TM in absolutely every aspect plus has the same connector so you can use TM grips on the Virpil base as well. Wich is why a lot of people replaced their TM base for a Virpil as they didn´t need to get a new grip since both ecosystems are compatible to each other. The difference between Moza and Fanatec is marginal (better QR, but thats it) and both ecosystems aren´t compatible to each other. It´s great to see another manufactor on the market, as competition can only be good for us consumers. But i personally would not purchase peripherals from a manufactor that has not proven long term durability for at least 2 or 3 years AFTER the warranty is expired. Especially if that new manufactor does provide only marginal improvements. Too much of a risk imo, but i respect those who take the risk so the rest of us can benefit from their experience.
@@r4dio4ctiv3man9 Moza's Next task is actually lowering the prices not increasing them. I agree with the experience etc but by your philosophy on purchasing there would never be any new brands. At one stage Fanatec was also new and untested over a period of time. There are both sides to everything, Built quality is higher, Materials used etc are much better from Moza. Also as a starting point i would say their software is better, took years for fanatec to achieve what moza has in 6 months.
do you know if there will be a wheel for the f1 game?? I would be very interested in a wheel with a R9 base
for f1 games!!! if you know the GS wheel is good to play f1 games????😀 the base looking very good for the price!!!😀
Their GS wheel is targeted towards F1, GT3, and LMP cars. There are so many functions that will cover what is need to drive those cars. But currently the wheel base and wheel can only be used for PC titles.
thans for the answer!!!😀
9:55 - Resistance in the steering wheel rotation is something you want to have to get a better driving experience, no matter if you come from a gear or belt driven wheelbase. You want your steering wheel to feel like it is connected to something, not free-floating in the air
Hi. Regarding the GS steering wheel where you comment that the lower plastic part seems to be of poor quality and hollow, compared to a Thrustmaster open wheel it is something similar, or the Thrustmaster steering wheel seems to you to have a better finish in that area of plastic.
Whey knewe what the did Base dir a great prices but then the wheel are to exspensive so at the end If you buy both you end Up to pay more then for a fanatec Base and wheel
That's why i'll go with fanatec.
@@kamilhadjidj546 i Bet If they Release a Bugdet wheel lets say 250 Euros the Base would Go Up in prices i think or they dont even Release Other bugdet wheels Like simagic
more budget friendly wheel and pedals are coming from Moza, they are serious players and are trying to make sim racing as affordable as possible! :)
J'ai acheté aujourd'hui des pédales csl avec load cell.
Donc vous me conseillez d'attendre ce que Moza va nous proposer comme volant bon marché a l'avenir?
La base moza est équivalente en terme de prix avec le csl dd avec le boost kit.
@@kamilhadjidj546 I wouldn't wait for now as the release date has not been given for the cheaper wheel from Moza.
As someone who’s never used a racing wheel this one brings me closer to a decision between Logitech and Moza. Thanks for the review.
Logitech and moza? makes no sense whatsoever. one is $250-300 wheels with little ffb while other is $1200-2000 high-top end wheels.
This comment wow😂😂
I seem to agree that I'd rather have about the amount of force this wheel is providing for more comfort and smoother input, but is it better to run this motor at 100% all the time or buy a more powerful motor and turn it down a little in regards to longevity?
Shaun, I think you're a bit off the mark with your price comparisons vs. the Fanatec offerings. As of right now (March 11, 2022), the Fanatec CSL DD 8Nm retails for $479.95. A very popular formula-style rim to use with it, the McLaren GT3 v2, retails for $199.95. This brings the total to $679.90.
The Moza R9 does seem to be a great value at $439, but then factoring in that the only available compatible wheels will set you back an additional $499, you're looking at $938, or over $260 more than the Fanatec offering. Even if, with Fanatec, you opted for the more expensive Clubsport Formula v2.5 wheel, you'd still be coming in more than $200 less than the Moza.
Moza need to be able to offer a wheel in the 200-300 dollar range before I think most people will look at them as a serious alternative to the Fanatec CSL DD.
fanatec at least here in europe theres no import taxes, this ships from china... would be an extra 24% on the total price for me... would be nice if it was mentioned
@@Patrik.Pereira to be fair, I believe Shaun is based in the US. Can't really expect him to be familiar with import/ export fees specific to other parts of the world.
i play at pc. if i buy r9 wheel base for moza store the price is 439 dollars.i stay at europe greece. the Vat is 24%.So the price is 439 dollars plus 24% vat its total price 439 plus 105 for vat tax plus shiping???????
it ships from china, i had to ask them 5 times, import taxes
Great price until you buy the wheels @ $499 U.S. and the pedals on top of that.
Can you use on Xbox
with an adapter yes
Holy cow, forget fanatic! Been holding out for a DD like this! Fan's hub design is trash!
Junk
@@ewenblack4174 Wut ever troll...go back to playing your Switch or gameboi...
I ordered a bunch of fanatec stuff in November and regret is hugley now. Taking months. Things lost, not shipped. Wheel base finally showed up but broken. Customer service sucks (they are busy and world situation I get, but still very sucky even considering all that) Probably months more to rma. Wish I could return it all. If I wasn't already balls deep in shipping, currency exch fees etc.
@@PickledGopher Cette marque à beaucoup de mécontents en UE .... pourtant, beaucoup continuent d`acheter ....
Perso, pour le moment, ce sera "simicube" pour moi .... peu de retours négatifs, service client réactif ( la crise actuelle risque de tout détruire ) et qualité du matériel impressionnant, surtout à l`utilisation
@@tigerbalm666 you mean podium DD/sim lab rig thank u very much. I can afford real sim gear!
Got half way through the video checked out their website. Big problem is they are too expensive. Fanatec DD pro 8NM bundle with two wheels and upgraded pedal totals 1200.00. A set up from Moza with one wheel is 2,000. Say what you want about quality, most people in this range are on a budget and they will go with the best value.
that intro sound is a tad to loud sounds very overdriven
noone tells you that it ships from china, so be ready to add import taxes to total cost
3:35 the gs is not a formula 1 wheel it is a gt3-gte based wheel