Lelouch vi Britannia and Light Yagami's Amazing Intelligences Analyzed. Which one is Superior?
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- Today we are going to tackle one of the biggest debates in Anime History. Between Light Yagami and Lelouch vi Britannia whose intelligence is superior?
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Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:22 Why I am using the Theory of MI
2:11 Public service announcement about comparing Death Note to Code Geass
3:41 Part 1 What is Intelligence according to the Theory of MI?
5:36 Part 2 The Best Examples of Light and Lelouch using the Different Intelligences
6:23 Lelouch's Victories over Mao
10:50 The Brilliance behind the Zero Requiem
12:52 How Light Defeats Naomi?
16:13 Light's plan to kill L and save Misa
20:05 Part 3 Who's Smarter
24:56 Closing Thoughts
25:49 Outro
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Lelouch Literally beat a guy that could read his mind and also beat a girl who could go back in Time I think it’s pretty obvious
Exactly she now anticipated all his moves with her Geass and he thought he lost but he managed to come through and won.
Tbh lelouch would have got his ass beat twice in first 11 ep of the series if it wasn't for plot armour named CC . It's like ryuk helping light lmao
Thank you for that
@@Ego6817 The way Light died was pathetic which is why Lelouch is smarter
@@ryanrodriguez2498 lelouch would have died more miserably if it wasn't for CC and that Sasha to save his ass 3 times in first 15 ep . Nobody helped light when he got caught
While both were willing to do what they had to do to win LeLouch was the one who actually accomplished his final goal. Light did a great job but in the end, I always got the feeling that he outsmarted himself. What I think would be more interesting though is what if LeLouch got the Death Note and Light got the Geass power?
Actually I think Lelouch might’ve been better with the death note But I don’t know about light with geass tho
@Unknow ?? is this true? cause if so it proves my theory that light only lost because the writers wanted him too because if he won it would show maybe the wrong message to people
His goal was easier than Lights with less help
@@dsbeats5657 Light would do better with Geass, it suits him more since he’s naturally a better manipulator and it’s easier to use than the DN.
Me and my friend had a long conversation about what if L were in Code Geasse trying to find out who zero is and we concluded that L would discover Lelouch very fast
The only area I will concede Light as being smarter is verbal manipulation. He knows what to say to either get people to do what he wants or have them join his side. Lelouch made a horrible appeal to Suzaku and Kallen on Kamine Island when his identity was revealed, basically saying _"Sure I'm evil but help me and I'll help you"._ Light knows speaking so candidly would have gotten him killed so never did.
Verbal manipulation would fall under interpersonal intelligence which makes sense as Light is able to understand people more than Lelouch can
@@MyMediaChops Lelouch really is too honest to a fault which is ironic considering how often he's called a liar. Take when he tried to recruit Suzaku to the Black Knights on Kamine Island. Lelouch tries logic but had no recourse but Geass when that failed to save himself.
Now Light would have played Suzaku like a fiddle. I imagine he would have concocted some insidious situation where he would arrange things for Suzaku to get expelled from the military and the only way to save lives is to join the Black Knights. It's deceitful but that's how Light rolls.
This talk of Light v. Lelouch gets me because when you think about it, Light Yagami has way more in common with Schneizel: Megalomaniac, manipulative, charismatic, power hungry, and absolute arrogance.
The big edge Light had in that department is that he's actually a sociopath while Lelouch just plays the part of one. Light is cold and detached from others so he doesn't have any issues viewing people from a purely logical position most of the time (unless they start to anger or threaten him enough). Lelouch's own feelings towards others sometimes conflict with his plans and any possibility of approaching people in a manner like Light does
That said, when Light gets cocky and arrogant, or feels threatened, he makes more mistakes in judgement and dealing with others than Lelouch does
@@BroadwayRonMexico Accurate. One of Lelouch's biggest mistakes was letting Viletta live after she saw his face in the second episode. Light wouldn't have done that. If Lelouch had killed her then and there, R1 and R2 would have turned much more favorably for him.
@@wdcain1 I was also referring to things in regards to the example you mentioned originally. Lelouch made a rather poor emotional appeal since it was largely based on his own emotions in regards to Suzaku and Kallen. His appeal was more an outpouring of his own feelings, not a matter of "what do they want to hear and what will they react to?". That question is how Light views interactions with people (and unless his anger, paranoia, or bruised pride gets the better of him, is something he rarely has issues with) and it's how Lelouch *tries to* but often cant bring himself to do (since unlike Light, he *does* care for many of the people around him)
I’m just also saying in Audio drama when Suzaku and Lelouch were children Lelouch developed a secret sign language that was over 500 words and even after 7 years past he still remembers it while Suzaku couldn’t remember or understand
I remember a scene where lelouch did a guesture to call Suzaku to the roof.
Just saying that a. Character is intelligent is just plain narrative, can also be called plot. But actually showing the intelligence is a different thing that code gesss does
@@NonuGamezRobloxE same thing with death note lmfao?
Liars game is way smarter
Light died because he was cornered and gunned down like an animal. Lelouch died because that was part of the plan. Light lost, Lelouch didn't. Lelouch managed to conquer the entire world starting from nothing.
What's interesting to note about your take on Lelouch vs. Light is that, while Light may be the one that demonstrates greater interpersonal intelligence, ultimately Lelouch is the one that cares about other people more. My take on the two has always been that Lelouch seems more human, because it genuinely grieved him when the people around him were harmed by his actions, while Light seemed to only view the people around him as tools to be used and disposed of. Lelouch knew and understood that his actions were evil, while Light considered himself to not only be above, but the arbiter of such concepts.
Light lost because he let himself lose (not saying it was part of his plan, but that he could have prevented it).
This. So much this. Lelouch's acceptance of his deeds as evil shows that he still has a moral compass, and that he never developed a god complex, makes him a better person. Light developed a god complex within hours of getting the Death Note.
@@errwhattheflip Hubris can often cause people to overlook things they otherwise wouldn't. Pride comes before the fall, after all.
@@JanusHoW I think a large part of it had to do with their motivations. Lelouch's biggest motivation through the whole series was to make the world a better place for Nunnaly, and all of his machinations were ultimately to serve that purpose. Revenge against the Britannian royal family and finding out the truth behind Marianne's death were both goals for Lelouch, but ultimately they were secondary to his goal of helping Nunnaly. Light had no such motivations, and really he had no long term goals. The death note itself and using it to enact Light's will were all that really mattered.
@@darkprinc979 Yes, and the fact that Nunnally existed is what kept Lelouch morally grounded. But he never deluded himself into thinking that just because he was doing it for Nunnally that it was "good". He knew what he was doing would be considered evil, but as long as he knew she would be happy, he would gladly burn in hell for his sins.
It was said in a picture drama that Lelouch has played piano since he was 3, so I think that would go under musical intelligence
Darn it. You're right I missed that thanks for telling me. I knew there was an example I just couldn't remember where.
@@MyMediaChops no problem! Great video by the way, I really enjoy your analysis
@@ItzSwxzy trust him bro
If you think about remember the flashbacks when Lelouch was a kid in Japan he had to take care of Nunally in a abandoned house while in the forest. Plus in Ed 1 Lelouch is seen in forest while taking care of Nunally even with the help of Suzaku. So he does have some environmental intelligence
I don't think he ever caught anything though. Also, the intelligence is usually associated with Biologists or gardeners. It's more than just having some survival skills.
@@MyMediaChops in R2 episode 8 didn’t Lelouch and his friends planting some flowers for the garden
Lelouch > Light
Light lost because of his fatal flaw. He had ultimate power and nobody would've knew, but he killed Lind L Taylor. As for Lelouch, he managed to defeat the entire world, accomplish his goals of making the world a better place for his sister and defeating his dad, and planning to put the world's hatred of himself and killing himself.
Light lost cause of plot💀. Killing L was never a mistake, thr creator even said he only added the near arc because he wasn't sure that fans would be satisfied with an ending where light wins.
I respectfully disagree if you are evaluating them based on their intellects.
For the whole Lind L. Taylor thing: Light simply believed he was better than everyone and wrote the name because of that. He didn’t expect L to be on or above his level. This isn’t to excuse his blunder, but instead to explain why he did it.
Also.. As stated above, the ending was poorly done. There’s a video on how it’s not possible for Near to perfectly replicate a Death Note in such a timeframe.. However it’s the source material nonetheless.. I’m just nitpicking.
Now as for Lelouch: While yes his intelligence is very impressive, he had a fatal flaw that cost him the game, his emotions. He lost in season 1 because of it but Charles decided to keep him alive and do whatever just because. Not only that, but he had to be saved from Cornelia by CC during there encounter.
Overall they are both on the same tier, I don’t know who’s overall more intelligent.
These Code Geass fans ignore the amount of plot armor lelo has . Legit , dude couldve died by gun fire in ep1 of season 1 and 2 . There was even a time when the knight of 11 would drill through lelo s knightmare and kill him but plot armor saved that day too because of perfect timing .
Lelouch just needs to say that his real name is Lelouch Lamperouge. The moment Kira notices that it was a fake name the geass would've already taken effect and Light gets checkmate'd
Lelouch: *”Lelouch Vi Britannia Commands Yo-”*
Light: Lelouch Vi Brit- sorry how do you spell that?
You realize he can make a deal with a shinigami to get shinigami eyes at the cost of a life span. Which can look up the his target name and death. Light also have ryuk as well to track lelouch. The only way lelouche to win is to track light which is dangerous.
@@creepyasgramdpa9916 too bad Light didn't make this deal and even told ryuk to forget about it. His overconfidence led him the same way as L. And Ryuk told Light on several occasions that he is not an ally. On the other hand Leloush has a lot of people who can track Light for him. Also being most of the time in a mask doesn't help Light either
If Lelouch vi Britannia was officially dead in the beginning of season 1, does it mean that he officially changed his name to Lelouch Lamperouge and his royal name counts as alias?
@@creepyasgramdpa9916 light would never take the deal, this is stated all the way through the show.
About what you mentioned about Lelouch not predicting Mao's responses, but instead his reactions, what about his recorded conversation with Schneizel? From what I've seen, his responses to Schneizel, whilst not immaculate, were pretty spot on. Not to mention the timing, never cutting Schneizel off mid sentence, nor responding too late to seem suspicious. Mao's was easier, since Lelouch cutting him off mid sentence would be nothing out of the ordinary.
also if im not mistaken lelouch even says, because mao could read minds he never developed any kind of cunning because he was allways under the impression that he had all the information
It's not even a contest, Lelouch did win, lived to tell the tale and never became mad with power, he always had clear what was important for him, he also defeated a guy who reads minds and a girl who goes back in time after she dies to counter what was thrown at her and found a way to kill her.
After watching it I realized he just took the og anime for the comparison but even still dying after accomplishing your goals instead of mad and regretful without really accomplishing anything meaningful was a huge difference, let's not forget that Lelouch wanted to do his stuff before he got the Geass, Light just wanted to be an outstanding normal person, don't get me wrong I liked Light but if he had been smart enough to get more allies instead of just relying on the death note he would have won, but he wasn't able to trust anyone so he ended up losing his dad, his love interest, and miss using Misa, then losing because he failed to explain to Mikami WHY it was important to do exactly what he said and nothing more, in the end his little trust on people ended up backfiring on him and lost for being a megalomaniac.
Who would win in a fight: Lelouch (as Zero)
If he already went public as Lelouch Vi Britannia, then Light would win.
Lelouch's best defense against Light would be his anonymity as Zero.
However, if they were in the same room he could say to light "never write Lelouch Vi Britannia in the death note" before Light had the chance to fully write his name. However, this would also depend on if Light knew about his power or not, bc if he did he could wear sunglasses before he revealed his name, in which case Lelouch would also have to find a way to get Light's glasses off, and by that point Light could have gotten out his pen and paper.
@@RuneKat567 lelouch also had a fake name for most of the series and also became immortal a few months after announcing his true name
Geass his more versatile in use than death note, allowing lelouch to have variety that Light cant afford.
@@abhabh6896 idk about that it's use is harder outside of the code geass world light couldn't go all around the world to deal with his enemies while lelouch has a flying mech
He’s literally immortal and even uses a deep fake name, Light has no chance
Lelouch literally predicted what schnitzel would say and beat a time traveler
Lmao schnitzel
Schnitzels are sure delicious
Lelouch didnt really predict anything, just timed it well enough and made his statements broad enough to keep schnitzel distracted long enough for him to come from behind.
If you rewatch, you'll notice Lelouch always changing the subject and having some oddly timed replies. All Lelouch needed was to predict the broad message that Schnitzel wanted to say, which is nowhere near as hard.
@@NuggetOG my thoughts exactly(it was still smart tho)
dropping a like for Schnitzel
5:27 in one of the picture dramas for s2 CC mentions how 3 year old Lelouch learned to play piano and continued playing it for several years on and we have a picture of him playing it with rolo. Feat of learning to fully play the piano is done famously by motzart. Can be ranged up to a number from 200-300 given average age for kids to start learning the piano being 6-9 6/3 times 100 (iq formula ma/ca times 100=iq) gives us 200 iq.
One of the most impressive things many people forget is when Lelouch is down is his stolen Knightmare and commands the rebel forces. He has to have a clear image of the entire battlefield in mind while also calculating the enemys moves and craft excellent battle plans that can be explained by a series of short commands. Later on in the series he is making incredibly complex physics calculations while typing them at the same time to stop a nuke from detonating.
Just to argue in interpersonal intelligence during Lights fight with Near and Mello he was exposing himself so much that led the task force to suspect Light and get doubts of him. Aizawa was a little sus of Light when he became the new L but after Near entered the picture he had slight doubts and became more sus it wasn't too long where he figured out Light is Kira and had to keep an eye on him while Near knew he was Kira from their first talk on the phone. Near notes Light is foolish and overconfident
This doesn’t make Light any less intelligent than Lelouch, he had a harder task at hand than Lelouch
@@WorldLeader12345 Lelouch had to face an army all the time.
@@ryanrodriguez2498 Light had to outsmart the fbi and the police and L. The only reason he lost is because of his confidence after L died. If near came in the middle of him going against L he would die and Light would write him off as another minor inconvenience
@@pootispow3232 Well theirs your answer. Light lets his confidence and arrogance get the better of him. Now look at him he thought he could easily beat Near but little did he know underestimating Near is a grave mistake.
@@pootispow3232 outsmarting 2 whole nations is a way bigger feat than outsmarting the FBI and L
In official art and the picture dramas/sound episodes, it appears to be canon that Lelouch can both play the piano(he's shown teaching Rolo how to play or helping him with it) and ballroom dance. I can't remember if he said he knew multiple dances, but yeah.
Even though this was in Lelouch of the Resurrection but Lelouch was able to beat Shamma even after she predicted all his moves and figured out how to defeat Shamma. Plus I’m just saying even though it’s in the alternate universe Lelouch came back and is alive even though it wasn’t part of his plan
Thanks for the analysis i really enjoyed the complete video!...
Lelouch would would destroy light...he been going by a fake name almost the whole show..and all he has to do is look into lights eyes and he's done
That’s because his Geass is easier to use and he relied on it more than Light with the Death Note (while having more help and a slightly more realistic and easy goal) which actually makes Light smarter
he has geass what do you expect
what if Light was to use his great mind so he can find lelouch's name then lelouch is DONE FOR
@@felixblue4525 put lelouch in the same room in the real world with light, light dies instantly. There's no fucking way he can guess an anon's name who goes by fake names casually lmao
@@lesterism shinigami eyes 😑 can see the name
@@WorldLeader12345 Lelouch's goal is no where near more realistic. Light's goal was only hard because he handicapped himself by fighting L when he could of just stayed in his room writing names and never would of caught suspicion. Lelouch was fighting the greatest military power the world had ever seen with a gang of terrorists from one country and he was fighting multiple geass users who knew more about it and had stronger geass. Light fought someone with equal intelligence to him with the advantage of having shinigami and a death note. It was in his favor unlike Lelouch vs Britannia.
Great analysis, thank you.
A channel with a bunch of code geass content? I’m in.
thanks for joining me on this ride
There Is also a point that Light didn't do anything without his magic power (ofc death note) all his plans just included this magical notebook. But Lelouch used his magical power (ofc Geass) only as help for his plans.. actually he won lots of battles and created lots of plans without using Geass.
This is because I think Lelouch should win and even I think he's just smarter.. sorry Kira
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Light didn’t have a mecha army at his control lmao😂
@@vonex3397 True, but Lelouch actually created and assembled that army xD and light had shinigami btw :DD
@@saitama7578 ik he earned and deserved the army but I didn’t br8ng up Ryuk since C.C exists as well
Yeah, he said it himself that he can conquered the world if he want (without geass) but it will take much more time for it
Lelouch is clearly the winner here. (:
I disagree
Light takes intrapersonal (his Shibuya arc strategy and behavior)
Lelouch takes interpersonal (predicting the conversation with others)
Misa, Takada and Mikami are fanatics so they dont count. They will blindly follow him to fire
Him killing L wasnt due to him knowing L, but to him having the advantage (Rem)
4:27 light *made* the puzzle, of COURSE he solved it.. the only thing he was thinking about was how suspicious he would be if he knew it or not.
In the case of Lelouch being smarter, using how Death Notes logic works, Light wins
L is smarter than Light, Light beat L
Light is smarter than Near, Near beat Light
exactly 😭
I would find Lelouch smarter then Light due to him outsmarting a guy who can read his mind and in the sequel movie outsmart someone who can see the future by killing herself and sending a message it seems to her from the past so that she can counter Lelouch’s move he used and yet Lelouch still out smarted her. Also I may be wrong but last time I checked the death note authors said Lights iq is 180 at the most while Code geass said Lelouch’s iq is 210 and last time I checked 210 > 180
Sequel movie isn’t canon, also where is it stated that Light’s IQ is 180? Also Light’s intellectual feats such as the the potato chip scene, the Naomi Misora scene, the Raye Penber scene & also his relinquishing the death note scene with Rem & Ryuk is showed higher intelligence than any Lelouch feat. Judging characters based on their intellectual feats is a much more accurate than using (non-confirmed) IQ stat numbers. Also Geass is a lot easier to use and more efficient than the DN, also Lelouch has been saved by the plot more times than Light, at least when Light got L killed he manipulated to Rem into doing so because she knew she’d do anything to protect Misa which also shows he’s a better fast thinker and manipulator than Lelouch.
that's not a feat. if you give light the geass. he would've easily did that. put light in lelouchs shoes, and put lelouch in lights shoes. light would get way farther. death notes intelligence is realistic. code geass sometimes makes lelouch smart because the plot demands it. like when he made a pre recording to talk to schnitzel. thats plot armor and there's no real logica way for someone to do that. he just did it because he's "smart." by that logic other anime characters are smarter just because the plot demands it. death note is real intelligence that actually breaks things down. they don't just do it, they SHOW. the REAL intelligent feats in death note far surpasses code geass.
@@muhammedyusuf9923 did you even watch Code Geass? They already established Lelouch can do that with Mao. Also if we’re going off feats Lelouch beats Light Light literally lost to a smart 10 year old who didn’t even understand the stakes of the situation. Lelouch was able to outsmart someone who can read his thoughts and someone who can see the future. If Light is losing to a intelligent 10 year old he is not beating these supernatural characters with Lelouch’s geass. Even the creators have basically confirmed that Lelouch is smarter with his iq being 210 while Light’s is 180. If your not in insane person you would know 210 > 180
@@WorldLeader12345 it is canon if you did your research you would know the sequel movie is canon to the recap movies. The creators themselves have stated that Light’s iq is 180. Yeah they’re totally a more intelligent feat even though Lelouch out smarted someone who literally sees the future because that makes sense. Yes it’s more efficient but the opponents Lelouch is dealing with also have a geass while Light is being defeated by people who don’t have a death note and are allied with people who have a death note and the shinigami eyes. They also don’t have death gods that they can manipulate to get rid of people. Light clearly had the advantage over everyone yet still lost to a 10 year old who didn’t even understand the stakes. A better manipulator then Lelouch? Lelouch manipulated the entire world.
@@blackmamba1773 thats my whole point. freats are asspulls. he can make pre recorded conversations? that's not humanly possible. therfore it doesn't count. if hes smart based on supernatr bs. than this shouldn't be a conversation. lelouch isn't smart, he has plot armor. stop down playing near, near wasn't a kid he was a super genius. it's not easy to out smart him. lelouch outsmarting a mind reader was an IQ play, but honestly its not a big brain move he just used the geass on himself. that's smart but nothing like light losing his memory and gaining it back.
Light is smarter but his biggest flaw is that he thinks hes better than everyone and probably due to his god complex thinks hes untouchable and can do whatever he wants. Lelouch would win in a fight for that exact reason cause hes grounded and knows hes only human. Light is better at manipulation and cat and mouse while lelouch is better at strategizing
light made more critical mistakes that lead to this death lelouch became immortal and united the world kinda obvious who's smarter where light messed up became Swiss cheese and koed in the most ironic fashion its only luck/fate he became a shinigami after where lelouch had more on the line if he failed
Lelouch made critical mistakes also that can cause his life but he still turns the tables around even with less resources.
Lelouch vi britannia always
Here is my take on the intelligence of Lelouch and Light and answering who is the smartest of the two characters.
Update someone mentioned that Lelouch has been playing the piano since he was three which was mentioned in the Picture Drama R2 Turn 0.923. So Lelouch has Musical intelligence.
Also, I never did finish that article and probably never will.
Maybe instead I can do a follow-up to this video.
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:22 Why I am using the Theory of MI
2:11 Public service announcement about comparing Death Note to Code Geass
3:41 Part 1 What is Intelligence according to the Theory of MI?
5:36 Part 2 The Best Examples of Light and Lelouch using the Different Intelligences
6:23 Lelouch's Victories over Mao
10:50 The Brilliance behind the Zero Requiem
12:52 How Light Defeats Naomi?
16:13 Light's plan to kill L and save Misa
20:05 Part 3 Who's Smarter
24:56 Closing Thoughts
25:49 Outro
About Environmental Intelligence and both characters:
As far as I remember from when I studied it, this intelligence is about understanding the world as a hole.
A few examples:
- Darwin paid deep attention to living beings and came up with an entire theory for how they behave and why
- An architect, when planning a proper chimney for a new house should understand the terrain and the winds in that place.
- Gravity Theory is essentially a very deep understanding of 'things fall'.
We see a freaking lot of smart environmental thinking on Lelouch's part. And some pretty epic examples at that:
- The bubble bomb on the bottom of the ocean
- Causing a landslide to beat Cornelia
- Imploding a fucking building and using it as bridge
Actually Lelouch's worst enemy is exactly a person who can defy physics with his supernatural speed and reflexes.
Now I can't remember of any big examples from Light Yagami. Nothing like 'they wind will turn and something will happen' or anything like that. It's always about people, manipulation and the death note's rules
Disclaimer:- Creator of this channel has given us right to let him know ours openion and I'm doing so and it's just my opinion. Thank you
Now, the definition of intelligence is as follows "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills"
Now, let's get to our gentlemen
Light Yagami:- A 17-year-old brilliant young man with strong sense of justice later became opportunistic sociopath, obviously very cunning, excellent at lying and manipulating, cold, calculative ruthless and wannabe God.
Lelouch Lamperouge:- A prodigy turned rebel. Lelouch has shown to be capable of love and humanity, he uses his extremely heightened intelligence and analytical capabilities to make world a better place not only for his sister but for everyone.
Conclusion:- Light is colder and scarier than Lelouch on the other hand Lelouch is emotionally less stable but possesses greater intelligence and wisdom.
Nice video, I like it. I personally don't favor one as more intelligent than the other, I just think that they're smarter than the other at different things. If it were a battle of wits, who could find and kill who first than Light would win in my opinion. There's not much evidence for Lelouch to find Kira from the position he's in where as Light could narrow down who Zero might be without Lelouch even knowing.
Light was shown making mistakes......... terrible mistakes....... while he was also an insane genius.....as a character... he's very relatable and intresting...which I don't find very much in lelouch...
Anyway...this guy's videos are just as awesome as yours clue!.....
@@RaheemToofaani haha nice seeing ya here. Yeah, second half of death note Light was too careless. I feel like Lelouch more relatable than Light in my opinion, but Light being a the psychopath he is seems more interesting to watch in my opinion.
Eyy clue is here !
@@MysticalSkyisHere haha hello
thank god someone uses logic anf fax
One analysis that is promising but so far lacking is a comparison between Light and Lelouch in terms of personality types corresponding to the established personality disorders, with Lelouch clearly being schizoid and Light a narcissist with a bit of psychopathy perhaps.
The people Say that Light Is smarter beacause every time he do something at the end he explain you everything and you go "wooow"
Lelouch you have ti figure out on yourself MOST of the time, people also dont undestand, for example Mao arc Is considered filler for many people but that 3 episode are introduce a lot of important things but people are too lazy to undestand it
Exactly...
I think Kira understood himself better because he had to predict his actions with a total personality shift for months and although Lelouch was content when he died that’s because it was according to his plan and I still lean to lelouch understanding others better because he had to do it on a more massive scale with many ppl who were completely different then him over a longer span of time but that’s just my opinion
Light didnt know himself enough to heat near when he had all his memories. Him not understanding himself and being self aware was his downfall. Lelouch remaining self aware about what he was becoming is what allowed zero requiem to work.
@@cephery8482 no him going crazy and being stuck in a situation which he can't remove himself but as he gets older probably didn't want any more and his allies being so far from himself, he couldn't connect/trust even though they trusted him like Misa or the 4th Kira.
@@josepigroyper370 ‘going crazy’ was him losing sight of where he was. His self awareness. Same thing, he never suddenly became crazy he got arrogant.
light thinks that what he is doing is right while lelouch knows thats he is doing evil acts, but a necessary evil
24:06 Light died in anger, sorrow and confusion not because he was satisfied with his life or confused about himself but because he wasn't able to become god of the new world. His main main goal was actually to become a god and used "justice" as way to prove himself as a god. Light did low-key achieved his goal even after he died because crime rates were still low even after Light died because Kira's followers believed that Kira was taking a break and people were afraid of kira. Also a new kira actually was introduced but he commited suicide for being called Budget Kira by Near(Budget L)
I think they're about equally intelligent, but in slightly different ways where'd one would have the leg up in one area, while the other would have the advantage in another, but I think overall Lelouch is slightly smarter. Of course that's just my opinion. Lelouch was able to convince millions of people that the black knights were exactly what he said they were, manipulate Rolo-an assassin from a young age indoctrinated to only care about his mission- to change sides and came up with a plan that would force Rolo into betraying Britannia and save Lelouch at the same time, this all the whole Rolo suspected or knew who and what Lelouch was and could do. He was able to understand and predict Schneizal's plan after he got a better feel for him after 8 years apart. I think the issue is less him not knowing, and more about his emotions getting in the way or in the case of some of the things with the black knights, simply not caring enough.
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Overall, Let's not fight. Both are exceptional and cunning characters so
Light=Lelouch
lelouch was on the battlefield being a commander (he may or may not participate if he wishes) but he always commanded his troops from a knightmare and as I stated may wish to participate in a battle or not but will take charge of it.
Light, on the other hand, just writes in a book and murders a lot of people who he deems as unworthy of life, developing a god complex in the process.
Lelouch and Light are similar in one respect but vastly different in others, we can all agree.
I will leave the one similarity to interpretation because the answer depends on the fans, viewers and countless people who may or may not share the same opinion as I or each other.
The biggest reason I find comparing light & Lelouch's Intelligence Is that lelouch Is made too be a beacon of hope while Light Is the exact opposite
because Lelouch Is seen as a Tyrant but Is only playing the role while Light actually Is & Lelouch's biggest mistake Is his emotions but that because It has a larger range of character & people Lelouch actually deeply cares about
while Light only has a couple people he cares about either because they have a similar mindset or goal or because there on his bad side like L so the comparison of Intelligence Isn't exactly Intelligence but a way of Social Indifference making them less like-able as a character
because they're not actually the same as each-other because Light wanted to actually rule over people & make a Crazy Dystopia of a Utopia which Lelouch only wanted to make a Utopia out of a Dystopia for his dear sister which he cares for & the biggest mistakes he made was underestimating the power of other's which wasn't his fault for how large scale he was going
while Light was Indoor's or out on a short chase running from the police Lelouch was on a War expedition Guiding battle either on or off the Frontlines controlling his forces the other fault was when the treaty happened & he made mass genocide even If It sort of worked better In his favor to progress his plan's that were going to take years In the works because of what his sister Euphemia
which she didn't know what she was getting Into making the plan his biggest mistake was causing genocide from his geass which was unintentionally made as a real Incident but It's a mistake many probably would do If they didn't know there geass could stay active without they're choosing other than that
his other mistake was not killing or persuading Suzaku which I doubt persuading someone as hard headed as Suzaku would be easy
Btw light wanted to make world better plate for good people
Lelouch is peice of cake for light
@@Horizon24129 the difference Is the Range of there attacks Light needs a name and Is not a good leader or taction he's easily kill-able while he's a good manipulator he's not a leader they'd at some point give up or not listen to him because he's not a caring or mentally stable person the only reason the black knights switched teams was because of the genocide which light probably would have done the same thing In that predicament except with knowing what would happen and he'd lose his team
I saw one person point out that Light had everything go his way until the end while Lelouch was constantly dealing with random bullshit.
Light believed he was God. Lelouch put God under his Geass. He's on different level
Lalouch- I hereby Lalouch vi Britannia orders you write your own name light Yagami in the death note.
In both Code Geass and Death Note the main character dies at the end.
But Lelouch is smarter, Light died by force while Lelouch just foolishly sacrificed himself.
Also, they never found out who truly was Zero, while the found out who was Kira.
I have never thought of the last point
Personally for me lelouch is smarter as being smart means being clear about your goal and not be corrupt with the power to which light succumbs which completely shows the difference between the two
Alright, I've watched the whole thing now and actually have all the context needed to give you informed feedback.
1. I still find the whole discussion kinda meaningless, to be honest. It's just too much comparison of apples to oranges for me, because the intent behind each story and each character is so different. That being said, you mitigate that concern quite a bit by looking at the comparison through the lens of multiple types of intelligence. It makes the discussion much more relevant and helps address the disparate purposes behind the stories themselves. So frankly, that was a rather inspired decision on your part when wading into a topic that usually devolves into arguments about who would score higher on an IQ test.
2. Again, while I personally still find that having this discussion generally minimizes the more important point of the role the characters are meant to fill in their respective stories, talking with you yesterday at least opened my eyes a bit as to WHY people might enjoy comparisons like this. If someone is the type of person who enjoys long, passionate debates on things such as: "Who would win in a fight between Luke Skywalker and Master Chief?", then I can see why they might also find topics like this a fun and harmless way to engage in intellectual exercise.
3. Your delving into the types of intelligence was the most interesting part for me, and I can see why you say comparisons like this often help you learn and grow in ways that you might never have thought to do so otherwise. I certainly would never have thought to pick up a book on intelligence on any old random day, but this type of analysis can certainly force you to learn new and surprisingly interesting things.
4. Indeed, Naomi is my pick for best girl in Death Note.
5. You oversimplify Lelouch's motivations when talking about them in the section about the Zero Requiem. While making a "gentler world" for Nunnaly is certainly one of his primary motivations, it is only one of many, and some of the other motivations are not noble in the slightest. At its core, Lelouch's character arc is about Jung's concept of "The Integration of Man with his Shadow." If you'd like to hear more of my thoughts on Lelouch's character arc, check out my video "The Role of Romance in Code Geass." I won't go on about that anymore here though, because it's quite outside this video's topic.
5. Final thoughts: Still not my cup of tea, but well presented and very well reasoned. This is easily the most interesting take on the subject I've ever seen, because you DO acknowledge the absurdity of comparing stories and characters that are not similar in the slightest on the foundational level, and use that to inform how you approach the subject. I found that interesting. No comparisons of the window dressing that makes these stories LOOK similar on the surface, like typical comparisons I see. You factor in the fundamental differences in the respective narratives and the discussion is much the better for it.
Well done, sir. Apologies again for making a snap judgement yesterday off of 30 seconds. Keep on keeping on.
They are both one of the best English dubbed anime’s
While they are both very intelligent, light has a tendency to let his arrogance override his intelligence. This results in him giving up information about his identity that he didn't need to give up and eventually gets him caught. He literally gives his location, that he is a student, and that he has information from the police investigation among other things.
I never understand character vs character videos. They’re only as strong as the writer/story requires them to be. If everything is controlled and fabricated then what's the measurable variable? They’re capable of anything the writer wants.
I watch Death Note first before Code Geass and I think both are awesome. Two of the best anime IMO
Light was a psychopath til his death, Lelouch died as a human. Lelouch felt bad about his wrong actions, Light didn't
There are some inherent problems a person may run into if they go from one series to another. I having watched and loved both series will frame that as best I can. Firstly, Lelouch and Light are not the same type of person or character. Light Yagami is a villain, arguably an anti-villain who has a noble enough ideal, but he's ultimately a villain who seeks out his goal for just himself and his own ego. He has a god complex, and is willing to kill anyone who gets in his way, even his own family if necessary. Lelouch however is a bit different, Lelouch is an anti-hero, his goal is not for his own benefit but rather the benefit of his sister and everyone he cares for. And because there are times when those he cares about are against him, it means he has to make tough decisions, or work around it. He ultimately wouldn't want to hurt any of the people he cares about, but unfortunately sometimes he does. And while he sometimes thinks he should get rid of certain people due to the risk they pose to him, he almost never acts on those thoughts, he's always figuring out how he can keep them from harm, while avoiding being caught.
As for their intelligence, they both made mistakes, some of those mistakes the other person wouldn't have made. But how things ultimately would play out would be very different with very different end goals. The mistakes of Light might not cause him to lose people he'd consider important until right at the end, but that's because everything he's concerned for is himself and his idea of justice. His goal and his life are the only things he doesn't consider acceptable losses. By contrast Lelouch has far more to lose, but in the end while he did lose some of the people he cared for, he did succeed in his ultimate goal. Lelouch's mistakes cost more lives because the scale is far larger, that said the exact reasons for making those mistakes are at times more understandable. There was less times I felt like the show bothered me, whereas in Death Note it felt like the show had basically tried to railroad the story to it's conclusion faster after L's death. But regardless, when one of them actually succeeded in his goal, while the other failed, and both being similar in intelligence but with different circumstances, it makes comparing the two hard, that said I do agree that Lelouch would be slightly smarter. I just feel like some of the things Light did fell a bit too short and it ultimately ended in his lose, whereas Lelouch won.
Light is by far the smoother speaker of the two, but other than that, I think Lelouch has the upper hand. In comparision, when Light tricks others, he doesn't really have much else around to think about than being convincing. Lelouch on the other hand has a much larger operation to take care of and a much bigger cast of enemies and friends he doesn't have much time getting to know and reading, and somehow he still manages. But in the end, intelligence can't be measured.
lelouch played a piano to nunnaly
Lelouch Will win aganist light, cause Lelouch Is Immortal, (Lelouch of the re;surrection
In terms of intelligence and mental skills they are comparable, but if the question is who would win, it's obviously Lelouch, cause he has qualities other then intelligence. Light fears death and avoids physical violence. He dies fleeing in panic and denial, refuses an easy win with shinigami eyes in the beginning, cause he doesn't want to shorten his life. Lelough is simply much more serious. He covers his face anyway, acts like a soldier, doesn't mind shooting and dying, or damaging his image, or admitting defeat and finally dies smiling, according to his own plan. He wouldn't bother with full evidence and pride of winning like L did, he'd just shoot light without full evidence, or shoot L without full plausible deniability, killed the taskforce and left, if he was kira. He also wouldn't mind shortening his lifespan for something he believes in. He simply takes his mission seriously while light wants power but fears "embarking on the path of blood" whenever it involves more then writing in his notebook.
That being said, Deathnote is in many ways a better show but for different reasons.
'smart' comes in many different flavours: general inteligence aka book smarts, specific inteligence such as a specific topic physics, math etc, street smarts, tactics etc
imo light has higher general inteligence and specific inteligence related to the sciences however he lacks in tactics, forsight and street smarts
lelouch is the oposite he has high general inteligence but not to the same degree as light and he lacks in specific inteligence like sciences but he excells at street smarts, reading people and tactics aswell as forsight
as an example:
light made several mistakes and most had to do with him failing to read people and proved a lack of forsight, he failed to predict how teru mikami would act, he also overestimated how many people where investigated by the fbi when he took care of the agents, lelouch on the other hand did make a similiar mistake by failing to predict cornelias actions when she first showed up, however he never made that mistake again and wether or not he did it deliberately or not he did set himself up in such a way that failing to predict people wouldnt be a huge issue, he inspired an unending loyalty in rolo which would be enough to get out of almost any situation
I believe that Lelouch is smarter for 1 reason, he won, even after losing the Black Knights and most of his friends and loved ones he still achieved his end goals
One achieved his goal, the other, well yeah we all know who really won
Lelouch feels like a fictional character someone like James bond like a perfect protagonist who never loses, but light is more grounded to reality like he makes mistakes and things doesn't always goes according to his plan and between all of this he calculates his moves which makes him more relatable I'm not gonna say who is smarter but, remember lelouch realized about the power that he can use his powers only once on someone after three days but light already started experimenting with death note on first day like what more ways could he use death note, it doesn't say who is smarter.
lelouch isn't a perfect protagonist in the slightest, there have been several moments where lelouch broke down after having to see his little sister, making a bunch of mistakes due to him not being able to control his emotions and feelings which honestly is more humane than anything. lelouch's plans dont always go as he planned either, there have been several changes in his plans due to unpredictable variables that showed up while the plan was being carried out, lelouch is literally a chess god in the show, calculated moves is one of the best qualities lelouch has. and lelouch never "realized" he can only use his power once, he literally tested it out to see the limits of his powers and what was possible with them as shown in an episode where he tests out geass on several students at ashford, not to mention as soon as lelouch got this power he killed a viceroy and a prince of a britannia and wiped out an entire battalion with very limited resources.
@@argentits bruh 😂 that's what I said he is like perfect protagonist like even if plan doesn't goes according to him he already has a back-up plan and who asked that he killed a Prince on first day and by mistake i mean light makes mistakes that could be made by us easily and he gets pretty nervous in those situations but he somehow gets out of it , well most of the time except for few times death note is more like a psychological battle and death note gets lower ratings because of the second Arc .
@@BabuMosahi if he was a perfect protagonist he wouldn't need a backup plan simple as that bro, the fact that he needed one proves he isn't LMAO
They are around the same level. While Lelouch had more success by the end, one can argue that Geass is a far more powerful tool than a notebook. That said, Light’s arrogance was his downfall, he saw himself as a god; Lelouch, while hammy, understood that he was a mortal with a godly power, and so understood his shortcomings and sought to empower the ordinary man.
The issue is Light's ego and god complex. That was his downfall. If he truly wanted to accomplish his goal. All he had to do was continue writing names down and never challenge L. But he wanted a challenge because he was bored. It was self sabotage.
Lelouch on the other hand, steeled his will after killing Shirly's father and questioning his entire plan. He knew he had to embark down "the path of blood". He didnt care about being challenged, it was only an added benefit of his circumstance and goals.
@@ahmadmunif7479 They definitely both have there ups and downs. Looking at both shows as a whole I like code geass a little more just due to its ending and the characters. Both amazing anime’s though.
I personaly would say lelouch is smarter shure what light did was genious but lelouch took on a empire that owns a third of the world with just a small resistance group.
I might be a little biased because 1 code geass is my favourite anime and 2 lelouchs intelligence is almost identical to mine my doctor says my logical thinking and my intrapersonal intelligance are gifted while all the other intelligences are "only" good to average.
(sorry if that translation doesnt sound that good but english is only my 3rd language)
lelouch i guess because light always dies on his every anime or movies you should have just put L there
There's actually a problem with commanding Schneizel... we see that Lelouch's Geass wears off in less than a year, I believe? Remember the girl who was marking the wall every day? There's basically a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of the wall with only half a tally mark. So honestly, I wonder what happens like a year after the Zero Requiem.
Edit: Not sure I agree Light didn't know what he wanted. Especially if we consider FilmTheory proving Light/Kira WAS successful. He reduced crime a lot. (His goal was basically to eliminate it, wasn't it?) The problem is that Light had a god complex and that's why he was so upset when he made a mistake and got killed. He thought he'd basically always be the smartest and be able to keep on killing criminals once he beat L.
the power didn't wear off most of the parents pulled their students from ashfordafter the black rebellion.
It's stated that the girl still goes out to try and mark crosses on the wall even though she no longer lives in Japan
Ohh my god guys they are literally me
I watched Death Note and Code Geass nearly simultaneously on Adult Swim when I was 13 and 14. While I enjoyed both, Code Geass stuck with me far longer and I've rewatched numerous times. Death Note, outside of the first dozen episodes or so, falls off hard imo, and I've never managed a full rewatch.
Not in the way, that say Elfen Lied has prevented me from coming back, which actually hit me so hard and is so sad I haven't been able to bring myself back to it, but through shear lack of interest. Elfen Lied haunts me, Code Geass draws me in, but Death Note just gets boring after a bit. I always remember it as being one of my favorite animes ever but on attempted rewatches, I dont get that feeling anymore.. I've tried several times and Light and Misa just annoy the piss out of me now. L is worth the rewatch but SPOILERS, he dies and the show should have ended then and there.
Code Geass on the other hand, I've rewatched several times and I'm glad I found this video to prep me for another. Probably my favorite anime ever and the manga, while vastly different considering the lack of Nightmare Frames, is up there too.
As for the base argument, as to who is "smarter," I find it interesting that Light initially wins but loses in the end, whereas Lelouch loses but ultimately wins. I think the outcome of each series speaks for themselves as far as whos intellectually superior.
If this was a fist to fist fight I feel like lelouch would win just because of geass and code
I mean, I've always held the view that this discussion is meaningless. They are unique characters set in separate stories with different purposes. They aren't even the same TYPE of character or meant to fulfill even remotely similar roles. Hell, they're narratives are wildly different archetypal stories that have very different goals. But people tend to get really hung up on the intelligence trait.
I've made two videos about this in the past: one about how Code Geass and Death Note are different from a narrative perspective, and one about how Lelouch and Light are completely different archetypes with separate purposes in their stories. Links below if you're interested:
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I addressed the key differences between the series in the video during the intro.
It annoys me when people act as if they are remotely similar.
This occured do the timing of the series and superficial similarities.
That being said I don't consider comparing characters a pointless exercise even if the series are different.
By making this video I gained a greater understanding of both series.
It helped me appreciate both characters on a deeper level.
For this topic I learned more about intelligence and means to measure it.
It's enjoyable to compare the plans and feats of both characters.
And top of that doing this types of comparisons are great for discussing different approaches to writing.
Recently I compared Lelouch to Thorfinn.
Another example of two different series and characters but yet so much to discuss.
That being said I respect your opinion and share your frustrations which is why I tend to avoid reaction channels that watch both shows back to back.
@@MyMediaChops A very well-reasoned and articulate response. I stand corrected. My apologies for jumping to conclusions. I guess that will teach me not to stop a video 30 seconds in, make a frustrated comment, and then leave.
I may also need to start thinking of comparisons I feel are inane as exercises in narrative analysis as well. Thank you for bringing that idea to my attention. I'll try approaching things more from that angle in the future.
@@ThePowerofStoriesDK to be fair on your end I watched the first 30 seconds and didn't make the distinction that the similarities were superficial.
I just stated they have similarities.
So I don't blame you for getting that impression.
Even my disclaimer latter should have been more precise on this.
@@MyMediaChops You don't have to make excuses for me being an impatient jerk lol. This will be a lesson on why I should learn to keep my temper in check. I'll come back later when I have some time, watch the whole thing, THEN leave ya my thoughts. (Which apparently I should have done in the first place.)
If you find the time, I'd love to hear your thoughts on either of my videos I linked above. You seem like you have a real writer's eye for analysis, and there aren't many Code Geass channels anymore beside Kato. Anyway, just if you have the time and inclination.
@@ThePowerofStoriesDK I have to get through the Roze videos but after that I should have time to go through them and leave some feedback
i think lelouch has proven his mental superiority here
Lelouch is the answer.
Find me someone who can predict the answers you will give to his/her questions.
Light, I command you to Obey me!
sorry i couln't watch this video. how did you watch this series ad pronounce lights last name wrong in multiple different ways. ugh. i hate that. they say his name like a thousand times.
Now think about how great all of these lelouch smartness characterization videos
ACTUALLY EATCHED THE FUCKING ANIME
Like how fucking hard it is to mention
Lelouch and schneizel discussion on damocles
It was perfect
In
Lelouch and mao discussion
Mao with limited intelligence and also insane
SAW through his video that it was prerecorded only not catching up because he instantlygot enraged by him mentioning CC
But in schneizel case
Schneizel is much much smarter and complex than mao
Yet lelouch
FORESAW nearly everything he would say prerecording longer and mire complex discussion
And schneizel didnt even realise a thing even thought he knew lelouch would try something
Light has stronger mathematical, kinesthetic, emotional, spacial and memory based intelligence compared to Lelouch. Light is shown to solve math problems and convincingly act while understanding the position of the cameras and writing names from his memory while doing it. His predictions of motives and manipulations under pressure show very high levels of intelligence. He combines almost all types at once. Only thing Lelouch is better is at intrapersonal intelligence and arguably environmental intelligence since he plans his battles in the war environment and takes advantage of positions in the battlefield.
You are one of the only people to actually leave a comment that relates directly to what I discussed in the video.
While I don't agree with parts of your assessment, thanks for fully understanding what I was talking about in the video.
It's L he is the smartest easy
No contest light is smart but he got outsmarted due to his massive ego and god complex
I am 1 brother
Who’s smarter one guy was just writing names in a book of death all he had to do was just not say he was Kira
The other one granted they had a you will do what ever I say power he had to be up in your face to use his power took over a nation/the fucking world code geass guy is literally the definition of more smarter then you
I think its pretty simple. Lelouch won, Light didn't.
Lelouch would mop the floor with Light or rather Lelouch would have his servants mop the floor with Light since he's not the physical activity type 🤣
Light had way less allies than lelouch who also already had an advantage because he was fighting family members who he knew exctaly how they acted to the point where he’s predicting conversation, Light did pretty much everything by him self and if you count misa and the other death note holders that’s way less Allies compared to a whole ass empire at your commmand, and let’s not forget Lelouch took so many Ls compared to light.
I am not sure what this has to with the video but thanks for leaving a comment.
There are so many holes in your arguments.
I would encourage you to rewatch code geass since your points are based on a false understanding of the series.
@@MyMediaChops was just saying some of the key differences between them not who’s smarter good video man.
@@vonex3397 fair enough but I still don't agree with some of the takes here.
But I am glad you enjoyed the video
Lelouch actually accomplished his goal, soooooooo
It doesn't matter who's smarter at the end of the day they're both good characters but I believe L is still better than light.
Light is at a disadvantage here high key 😂. Light is is better imo
Lelouch accomplished his goal light didnt case closed
because of plot 😂lights feats are way more impressive and better than lelouch's
@@lilg6615 feats like losing to a 10 year old vs conquering the entire world
Lelouch
ALL HAIL LELOUCH
It's obvious who is smarter it's light like seriously. Just imagine giving light the Geass any Geass he would stomp the Geass universe easily. Light accomplished so much with so little power first of all leleluch could control any body he wants and could even command them to kill themselves where ass light had to find out their names then kill them while having to hide the death note. I believe that code Geass is a bit more childish then death note like the plot amor on that guy
You are taking a hypothetical scenario to decide who's smarter which won't work here.
This video covers multiple facets of intelligence not just who would do more if the circumstances were reversed. If this is the only response that you had then you didn't watch the video.
The last point is non sequitur and ad hominem. And not that matters but Light got lucky that no one from the task force was present at the police station when Naomi showed up.
He also happen to run into her at the moment that he needed to.
Ryuk told Light that Ray Penber was trailing which is the only reason why he stopped him.
There are other examples but this video is not about who had better plot armor, that has nothing to do with anything.
This is not a who would win in a battle rather a comparison of the two character's intelligence.
@@MyMediaChops plot amor does matter leleluch has plot amor that can not even happen in real life first of all cc is basically ryuk if he helped light she saved his life twice before the 11th episode just imagine if ryuk helped leleluch once.
@@danielasibong364 you didn't read my earlier point because I already addressed the absurdity of these claims. If you are actually serious about having a conversation present some actual counter-arguments and not hypothetical scenarios. Again this video is about intelligence not who would win a fight even then your arguments still don't work.
Last time I check Light lost to a smart 10 year old while Lelouch is out smarting a guy who can read minds and a woman who can go back in time. They are not the same
@@blackmamba1773 Last time I checked Light went up against a whole police force and L & Near who are both smarter than anyone in the CG universe and didn’t have CC, a guy with Geass and a whole army to achieve his goal, Lelouch’s power is also easier to use. Light only lost due to Mikami, also that 10 year old Near like I stated before is smarter than anyone in CG Lelouch faced.
Well let's take the geass and death note away both are smart light has higher iq and lelouch is a better strategist. But both fought different worlds with different goals. And I think light will win as he is more evil and will sacrifice anything like johan but lelouch without his sister would have been a better option. And yes guys know this that death note creator wanted to end show with L dying but because a serial killer can't just win so he created light's death like that and code geass second season was remade after death note finished airing. Understand this that light was mote realistic and lelouch was an anime massaiya. Lelouch was a better hero but light was always a villian. And don't be delusionalised as cg fans are only a small group but death note fans are general audience.
light isn't smart. if he didn't have the super atural aid of the death note and shinigami, he would never have accomplished anything.
geass may have been the catalyst to lelouche becoming zero, but his strategic mind is where most of his value came from.
Light is smarter than Lelouch but Lelouch would beat light the reason being Lelouch could trust others which is why Near beat Light who could not do that
Light is no where near Lelouch in smartness.... He has never objectively assessed any of his threats in the level Lelouch has ... Lelouch not only recognised time Manipulation but also figured out exact strengths and limitations of it while actually being affected by it .... Light can't even consider a possibility that his plans might fail ... He's only been using his classmates and his father's colleagues as reference To assess people ... He can only see very less information about people
Light use pure intelligence, whereas lelouch uses his power to manipulate people, light killed a god and defeat L , only got killed bcz of mikami even stated by near.....also deathnote universe has so many smart characters than code geass
Light > lelouch
light slams this stickman
Lelouch didn't die