The Worst Code Geass Takes In The World
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“Ewww fan service ewww it ruins the show.” 🤓🤓🤓
the show would still be same without the fan service tho? it doesnt add anything
@@wagyubeans1399 I'm very tired of all the nudity and sex an adult shows and movies these days why can't it just get back to being action bloody violence except the James Bond films they need to stop with the sex all together
The only fan service I see here is the Pizza hut cameo 🤣🤣
@@wagyubeans1399 it adds to my personal enjoyment that’s all that matters liberal
@@hexogramd8430 thats weird af lmao
Hot Take: I would have preferred a film about Suzaku as Zero having to deal with a crisis in a world without Lelouch being their to help him instead of the film we got that brought Lelouch back.
We could still get that honestly.
I agree! Lelouch is canonically dead and R3 is nothing but a cash-grab movie as a sequel to the trilogy remake (which I did not bother to watch). I'm a big LelouchxShirley fan but seeing her alive in R3 made it feel so wrong for me. Her death in CGR2 broke my heart but it was necessary to further flesh out Lelouch's resolve and motivation.
It would also be fun to see Nunally and Suzaku's interactions post-requiem.
Well if it’s any consolation, the movie is an elseworld story
We can still get that as The resurrection of Lelouch isn’t canon. It’s an alternate universe where certain things are switched in the story (such as Mao not existing and Shirley not dying). So a film about takes place after the events of R2 (more specifically the show) is still possible.
No. Fuck suzaku. So much screen time wasted on him. And he never convinced me he was doing the right thing that was best for everyone. He didnt need the brittanian army. He needed therapy.
prolly my hottest take is I actually like the Euphemia death sequence. "convenience" happens in real life too, thats why the term stranger than fiction exists, in stories we always expect to be able to piece things together like a reverse detective. so any sudden moments often jar our ability to feel like it makes sense.
even though I think it made total sense. If you ever called your teacher mom you know how surreal it can be in the moments after what you said hit someones ears wrong.
if its bad enough youll even verbally ask yourself wtf you were thinking to say that. lelouche getting comfy and then trying to come clean by explaining what he was gonna do- is entirely in character.
World War 1 happened because an archduke got assassinated and it was dumb luck the assassins got him.
This should not be a hot take at all but somehow, it is. Code Geass wears its Shakespearean tragedies on its sleeve. Deux/Diabolus ex Machinas are to be expected. Mao already foreshadowed that extended use of the Geass will take its toll, the Euphinator incident was the PERFECT time for it to happen; when he was about to lose, and cooperate with Brittania, and destiny says that your downward spiral has only begun.
I agree, but I always liked the death sequence for Euphemia, specifically because we always had subtle hints that the geass Lelouch possessed was going to turn against him in the end. From C.C's warning of Lelouch living a more secluded, lonely path that no one else could know (of which I always interpreted as a subtle nod to the rampancy of geass forcing its bearers to go into seclusion or go mad) to Mao blatantly representing what Lelouch could have become with his own obsessions, that being Nunnally and Britannia. I wouldn't say suzaku in that regard because whilst it is true that by the point lelouch learns of Mao, suzaku is still his best friend, he'd still sacrifice him for Nunnally if given the necessary choice. Furthermore, I always interpreted R1 being the representation of Lelouch becoming a 'devil' for his geass, with his morality and sanity becoming more in question as time goes on, until eventually he snapped due to Euphemia ridding his casus belli but in a manner that seems good and well, but in reality would collapse too quick.
Regarding the joke part? I always argued that was two things, one, a dark humour the brother and sister shared due to their shared understanding and perspective of the cruel world they live in (just one side being darker and more experienced than the other, i.e Lelouch) and two, an order that would be so reprehensible Euphemia would never even consider it, and that was the point Lelouch was making. He could literally order her to do the most heinous thing ever, and she'd be forced to comply, only issue is, rather than making that a general statement he intended to, it actually happened.
Similar opinion
I don't get it, this is obviously a completely valid and correct opinion
The Black Queen Kallen is NEVER just a "jilted lover"- she makes it very clear that her identity, first and foremost, is the lead warrior of the black knights- and as the one who destroys the White Knight Suzaku in Re:, she proves it. Whe proves it many times.
I think Kallen is a knight, same as Suzaku. The queen is probably Geass/C.C.
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Lelouch calls her Q1 which means "Queen 1".
Commenting on the first point : Personally I think they should definitely not continue the main timeline (Thankfully they did not) and perhaps maybe focus on what happend before Lelouch. Maybe a fully canon prequel anime about CC? I think this could be a great show and it would automatically silence everyone who demands Lelouch to be involved while providing more lore to the Code geass universe. There are even more possibilities for a prequel but I think a CC anime would have very high demand
A lot of people do love C.C., it would be great to see a show about her acting more like she did in R1, or even colder. I would love to see them do this.
I'd love such a prequel movie. I've been interested in the origin of Code and Geass ever since I first watched the anime, unfortunately we only see a few glimpses and mentions about the Geass civilization in the media we already have. A move where we can learn more about it would be so fascinating to me!
That would be cool but instead I'd like a story focused around Charles, V.V., and C's world. Show how V.V. got his geass and what it does. Show who his code bearer is. Give us details about how they became the ultimate power in Britannia and what Ragnarök really entails. Most Code Geass spinoffs seem to like breaking canon which is annoying. Something like this couod focus on an interesting part of the story without needing to break everything else in the process.
They could talk more about tohdoh and his battle. He's about as smart as lelouche he just doesn't have the eye power
people just want the lore of gode guess to be as big adn confusinging hard to figure as the fnaf lore
I wish they did a series expanding on the lore of the world in code geass because I'm into history and the alternate historical stuff really interests me. Maybe a series about the origins of the Britannian empire or something
Someone else suggested a prequel based around C.C., which could get into some old Britannian history
@@KatoBeyond Yeah that would be cool
The most we know is that the battle of wellington was acutaly lost with the royal family and government moveing to the 13 Colonys where they reestablished there power base. Thats why in the show britian isnt part of brittiana but part of the EU.
Worst take of Code Geass is that the ending is unrealistic, anyone who's read the history knows that peace can be obtained for generations and by the same way Lelouch did.
I think it's an exaggerated ideal in the long run, but at as temporary measure, it works.
@@bluespaceman7937 Well obviously in the long run it won’t last. No peace is permanent. And like in real life, even people as big and bad as LeLouch the oppressive emperor fade out of history and become forgotten.
@@ma_turk In real life Lelouch's death would just cause a civil war where other power hungry people would try to take take the throne for themselves imo
@@handsomelyditto4215 Well not really because Suzaku took the mantle of Zero so he would stop them. Also people saw the destruction someone power hungry could bring, so i doubt they would be any people like that left
@@handsomelyditto4215 Another detail: "King Lelouch" took the time and effort to carefully track, summon & geass into obedience every single one of the 100+ sons/daughters of Charles (as well as more distant cousins/great_uncles/etc).
-> Only his big brother remained hidden from him until the very end of the series.
The continued presence of a requiem!Zero_persona is a memetic "safeguard" against posible "unknown_Unknowns" (something of order/kind like the Code/Geass powers); that they still do NOT know anything about (even its existence) yet.
[If something as "magical" as geass is actually real... Who knows what ELSE there may be also "out there"...]
The objective was to END the Royal Class for good (not to "suspend" for a while, or replace it with another type of Tyrant).
Honestly I agree with the first point. Dragging on a completed story poisons the legacy of that story. Lelouch had the story and development he needed. A lot of the characters did. The main problem a lot of stories face is going on for too long. One of the best things a story can do is know when to end.
So true so many are like “if it doesn’t feature Lelouch it’s not code geass” which I hard disagree with
I think it would be neat to see a little bit of some of the character's lives in an OVA, or something like that. Leaving ambiguous as to if Lelouch is dead, but after a couple years we see Nunally a bit more like a teen and wanting to see some of her old friends again, Kallen inviting some of the people from the black knights as well. Sort of like one of the school festival episodes. Then again, it probably wouldn't be that interesting unless some sort of conflict happened, like maybe some bureaucrats are involved or whatever.
@@megarotom1590 Code Geass needs either C.C or it needs Lelouch. It really isn't Code Geass without at least one of them imo.
@@KraNisOG hard disagree. It's not Lelouch of the Rebellion without those 2 but saying it's not code geass is ignoring all the MANY code geass stories without those 2. Granted most never became anime but from what I know many were actually pretty good and most of all shows that code geass is less about those characters but the word...the world of code and geass
@@megarotom1590Yes! That's exactly it. It reminds me of when Suzaku and Nina both wanted Euphemia to come back. Just get over it. If there's no Lelouch, there's no Lelouch. Enough complaining and just be grateful.
Unpopular opinion: the fact that some characters don´t have se much time to shine (most Black Knights, Lelouch´s classmates, even C.C.) is actually great in a series like Code Geass. It gives the series a poetic tone. Lelouch was the main character, the anime was following mainy him and his actions. Other characters passed by, spent some time in the story, than left. Code Geass expressed this incredibly.
unpopular opinion, suzaku is my faviourite CG character and i think hes written as a perfect contrast to lelouch
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Apparently, my hot take is that R2 is better than R1 and Code Geass only works BECAUSE Lelouch is the main character. Code Geass is the type of series where it is entirely built on the foundation of its main character and can only work if it is their story.
Aot fans are calling code geass ending unrealistic
Because they are sad their ending (I'm also watching AoT) isn't as good as this. But tbf, in real life what Lelouch did, would have worked only for a short time, say 1-2 generations of rulers, if it would work. Though, still it's very realistic regardless of 'could' or 'will'
Code Geass is definitely a lot more idealistic in how it implies the world will go on following the Zero Requiem, while AOT's extra pages after chapter 134 make it clear that there is no such thing as permanent peace.
As a fan of both series, I do think that thematically such a dichotomy in results actually makes perfect sense. Lelouch was concerned about results and he can only justify doing horrible things if it meets a satisfactory end of some sort. Eren, on the other hand, is concerned throughout The Final Season with the means, not the ends. While unconcerned with traditional morality, his primary motivation is very much doing things because he *wants to*, since that, to him, is the truest expression of freedom. Furthermore, while Lelouch makes Nunally's wish for a gentler world his mission, Eren is only concerned about leaving a positive legacy for his inner circle that he cares about. While Lelouch sacrifices his family and friendships for the world, Eren sacrifices the world for his friends. Its only natural that the latter's Requiem would result in continued violence, even if the former's built a utopia of world peace.
@@code.c. not to mention that a United enemy didn’t help bring those under the walls together, which is what the ending of Code Geass is banking on.
@@code.c. don't forget, eren didn't truly care about peace, he wanted his friends to survive grow old and die in peace, which they did. the tehnology used to destroy paradis confrims that his friends died long before paradis was destroyed while lelouch cared about other people almost as much as his sister.
They are coping 🤣
But
Ending isn't that good as people make it out to be
It has many problems
I absolutely agree with the "hot take" that Suzaku is actually a pretty good character. I say hot take because literally everyone I know who has watched the series always says that Suzaku is the worst and most annoying character (aside several side characters who didn't appear as much as he did). I actually really like him. Of course, I understand why many people deem him as annoying but I think that because of his imperfectness he is probably one of the best characters in the series in terms of psychological establishment of a character.
I just can't help but dig characters in shows that show different facades and are acting understandably
Lelouch should have told the truth to Suzaku most of all, but many others as well, like Euphemia. The one time he should not have told the truth was when the black knights turned on him. Schniezel had that all planned out, he was going for his victory. Lelouch didn't have any way to win that and he knew it, so he accepted his loss instead of sacrificing all his pieces for nothing. If your king is going to die anyways, you're going to lose the game, but you don't need to sacrifice your queen to delay the defeat a turn.
Still he shouldn't have acted like he was ever going to kill Euphie back when he said "That reminds, you're one of his children to" and more importantly, when he went to Suzaku for help, he should have told him what really happened. He didn't because his guilt towards what happened prevented it. He was punishing himself. He should have prioritized others over his own punishment.
I have some hot takes but I will just give 2 for now. One lukewarm and one very hot.
1. Episode 6(the cat episode) is one of the best and most important episodes in the entire series. It sets up everything. The core character dynamics, the fundamental nature of Britannia, be that their racism, homophobia, etc. It shows the stark contrast between how Suzaku and Lelouch think. It introduces Cornelia and the other royal siblings. Most importantly it had Charles' propaganda speech that while he wasn't entirely wrong in, he goes too far with, showing why he is a great villain.
2. Now for my hottest take. SUZAKU WAS NEVER A HYPOCRITE. His actions never go against his words in a way that he can control. Killing his father was a necessary action. Japan was getting wiped out and were completely overwhelmed. They have historically refused to surrender when fighting(just look at WW2 for an example of this. They were arming school girls and elderly with sticks and single shot rifles. Tokyo was gone as it had been firebombed to dust. Their plan was to force the allies to kill so many civillians that they gave up and left Japan alone. It took 2 nuclear bombs to make them realize that wasn't a viable strategy.), they would have done the same here. This presents the difference in how Suzaku and Lelouch think. Lelouch is all about freedom at any cost. Suzaku thinks it's better to be alive and suffering than to be dead with no chance of making a difference. That is why he opposes Zero. Everytime Zero, the Black Knights, or the terrorists such as the JLF take an action against Britannia, innocents die. The very first episode shows this. The JLF steal something valuable from Britannia and Britannia in turn wipes out an entire ghetto as a lesson. Because of Zero's actions fighting against Britannia, the various terrorist sects in Japan fight back harder which leads to various settlements getting killed. To Suzaku, Zero doesn't care about the innocents he claims to protect. This is shown thrown the desolation of Narita. Suzaku on the otherhand cares about the civillians above the mission. He jeopardizes success many times to save innocents. He could have captured the terrorist leader(Lelouch) in episode 2 but saves a falling woman instead, letting him escape. That is why Suzaku fights as a soldier. To make up for his guilt and self doubt from killing his father(even though it was the correct thing to do), he is fighting to save as many people as possible. Throughout all of R1, Suzaku never kills a single person. Ironically enough, he only starts to gain real power because of Lelouch's action. This is not hypocrisy and is instead naïvete.
This is where a lot of people start to see him as a hypocrite but I couldn't disagree further with. At the start of R2, Suzaku captures Lelouch and brings him before Charles. He asks to be given the title of knight of 7 and join the knights of the rounds. The knight of 1 can control a nation for themselves. This is Suzaku's goal. To achieve this, Suzaku needs to obey the emperor. He becomes a key part of pax Britannia. However, he never kills an innocent person until the FLEIJA is dropped. This is not hypocrisy but rather character development. Suzaku changed because of the trauma caused by the Euphemia moment and being forced to acknowledge that Lelouch is Zero. However, the fundamental motivation remains. He still wants to protect the innocents from unnecessary slaughter and to liberate Japan. The next big change in his character comes from the dropping of the FLEIJA. This is when Suzaku can no longer work through the system. The Tokyo settlement likely housed the majority of the Japanese population. The FLEIJA wiped all of those people out and it was(partially) his fault. Lelouch reaches out to him but Suzaku is leading the conversation. He realized what needs to be done and does it. He knew at that point that Lelouch had not intentionally done what he had accused him of. Shirley and Euphemia weren't his fault and so he has decided to move into the future. There is fighting throughout but Suzaku decides to stop Britannia's reign and kill Charles. This leads to him and Lelouch once again teaming up. The Zero requiem only works when both of their ideals are combined. It works through the system and tries to save as many people as possible while the ends also justify the means.
Suzaku is not and never was a hypocrite, he is just naïve and immature throughout most of the series. Lelouch too exerts these traits, especially during defeats. Neither is entirely right nor are they entirely wrong. Both are just different viewpoints.
Lelouch and Suzaku both had to go through a lot to realize that the other had a point in the beginning. Lelouch was initially closer to the truth, but Suzaku had warned him what would happen from the beginning.
Suzaku's whole professed core ideology that places him in opposition to Lelouch is that it is of utmost importance to follow the rules of the system, and attempt to change it from the inside
Not only is that incredibly stupid when the government in question is an extreme fascist expansionist monarchy, but it's hypocritical because he never actually does that, he just criticizes Zero for not doing it while serving as a fairly large cog in the machine
For the majority of the story, practically the only time he ever asserts his beliefs to the system he's working under(and the only times at all if you don't count him just happening to be a servant under other people who are willing and able to change the system without him) is when he offers meek resistance at being ordered to commit war crimes, ultimately leading to him allowing himself to be put in the position to commit one of the worst ones in the series
@@Lazypackmule I literally address this point in my post. The idea of following the rules is to stop more people from getting killed. Rebellion leads to violence which leads to pointless casualties. He asserts his beliefs in nearly every fight and encounter. Whether it is saving innocent people in the middle of a fight or not wanting to execute an assassin, nearly everything causes a similar reaction. Suzaku is also not to blame for the FLEIJA dropping.
@@DrDoompenguin But he claims to want a more peaceful world, achieved by changing the system from the inside
He is also supporting the people directly responsible for the most death, but that's another discussion entirely
@@Lazypackmule You miss the point entirely. Violence only leads to more violence. Everytime anyone rises in rebellion, people get killed. Whether that is Britannia in Shinjuku or Zero in Narita, innocents are alwsys killed by warring parties. This is why he wants to make changes from within the system. Britannia is the system and he actively pushes back against their rampages. He wants to achieve peace without unnecessary bloodshed. It's a naïve but not necessarily wrong view.
Still the best anime I've ever watched period.
My Top 5
1. Code Geass
2. Steins;Gate
3. Death Note
4. Monster
5. Clannad
My unpopular opinions. I love Suzaku. Nina redeem herself for me. The Euphemia incident was perfectly done. Lelouch said three things that Euphy would absolutely not do and it fits their characters so much. Kallen's fanservice is my favorite. The school episodes was just as important as the the rest of it since they reveal their kind and emotional relationship to one another. As for the Schneizel telling them about Lelouch. What can you expect? At first they are defending Lelouch but then they reveal that it was Zero who issued that order to massacre the Elevens in the special zone. At that point he has lost the Black Knights, even if telling them the truth which they will not obviously accept, thousands of Elevens still got massacred as a result. Even though that Code + Geass theories is good, Lelouch dying is just the perfect route. I want the Oz of the Reflection manga get a anime adaptation. I don't want Lelouch to be a villain in future projects. Don't want him also to be the main character in future projects. He could cameo or become a side character since he's immortal now in the alternate universe.
my personal top 3:
1.code geass
2.death note
3. attack on titan [recommended]
Good taste
i just finished code geass r3 do u recommend watching the movies or something or if there's more manga?
@@Sp1cy90 what do you mean by R3? Akito the Exiled is also a good watch but not as good as Lelouch of the Rebellion, as for the manga, only Renya of Darkness is the only completed english translated, it's kinda super average but if you want some more lore into the Code Geass world go read that one. There's a manga I seriously wanted to read but it's not translated fully and that is Oz of the Reflection since the timeline of that story is during season 2 of Lelouch of the Rebellion so we will meet Lelouch and the others there. Plus seeing the raw chapters, the drawing and artstyle is really good.
What you think of hxh
Schneizel tried to be the hero of the story. He thought he was vanquishing the villain by defeating Lelouch, and he was trying to save the world and create peace.
Also Lelouch should have told Nunnally the truth
It's pretty much the same situation with suzaku lelouch just isn't the kind of person to give excuses to people for his horrible acts he owns up to them and moves forward
The key difference between Lelouch, Suzaku and Schneizel in my book is they true ambitions behind their actions, however morally questionable these questions are. Suzaku was aiming for what he believed was the best solution for most people but knew he must get his hands dirty in the process. Lelouch initially was selfish, but he changed and thought of other people as well. He still believed what he did was neccessary evil. In the end, his sacrifice was completely selfless. Schneizel, however, always wanted the powerfor himself. He didn´t believe his ways were universally good, he just did them for himself and convinced citizens that it is in their best interest as well.
TLDR The difference is that why Suzaku and Lelouch were in the end selfless, Schneizel stayed selfish until his defeat. You can always disagree, Code Geass is an anime especially opened to interpretations.
@@vojtechtesar7114 I agree, Schneizel in particular is very open to interpretation. I don't disagree with your points about the other two, but I would say that Schneizel was truly trying to help the world in the way he saw fit. That's why I think Lelouch didn't feel the need to kill him
I have always believed that Schneizel is good but he is quite a coward bastard, although very cunning too. In any case, both he and Charles believed in their peace plans for the people but in a certain way they saw almost everyone as pawns, it is in this that Lelouch differs from them, since as such if it is true that Lelouch in the first chapters was like that with BK, but then I took a liking to them when he was more confident.
But because Lelouch in character is very stoic and all the characters almost always betray him, he can't help but be the crazy paranoid he is and we're right, the list of all his betrayals is fucking long, but among them are his own parents, his friend, his sister, Rolo... THOSE WHO HAVE DEFINITELY WON THE PRIZE FOR THE WORST BETRAYAL ARE FUCKING BLACK KNIGHTS AND UFN DEFINITELY, THEY CAN'T MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND, NOPE.
In the end I feel that Lelouch after believing that Nunally died and killing his own mother who betrayed him was what made him fall into suicide, since he wanted a peaceful world for his sister and avenge his mother, the two of them were his everything for him, despite the fact that he is not a white dove, he is a very tragic character and did not deserve such rubbish treatment from many characters who were quite hypocritical in the end, it's in fact a miracle that he didn't become really evil. I think that in the top of characters with shitty lives in Code Geass, this one enters at least among the first positions.
@@Kat-uj6rp schneizel is not good, not a coward either since he was willing to die to win. but he is very egoistic, manipulative sadistic and brutal.
The reason people hate Nina is because they don't understand her character she's an ordinary girl born in ordinary circumstances thrusted into an extraordinary circumstance with extraordinary people I mean come on she went to a wedding reception with a prince being a no-name commoner of course she was overwhelmed and in over her head
My Hot Take is that Leblouh's perception of his father encouraging all of children to hate feud with each was entirely in his own imagination. It's actually supported by anything we see with the other siblings.
I've always liked the idea that the reason Charles had such a massive harem was so his children would be forced to compete with each other instead of trying to assassinate him for the throne while he was enacting his plan.
@@bishopofeternity48 , Charles Zi Britainnia made polygamy illegal whenever he married Marianne Vi Britannia, so it’s very obvious that Lelouch’s viewpoints of his siblings minus Nunally along with his parents are completely right throughout R1 and R2.
I think the Code+Geass was originally meant to be the hinted Canon ending for those who pay attention to the details. Like if you just watch it normally, the ending is "He sacrificed himself for peace, now he's dead" but if you think about how Code is transfered by physical contact and meeting the Geass level requirements, the ending is:
"His OG plan was to execute Charles (the enemy of the world) then attone for my own sins, but now he has Geass, so now I have to dispose of him carefully and take his place as the enemy of the world, and my execution will also atone for my sins. But after disposing of Charles, I now can't die, so like my OG plan of public execution failed and was replaced with 4d chess levels of deception, my plan of atonement also failed and is replaced with me faking my execution, and living out eternity in the middle of nowhere with C2."
Then the writers half heartedly decided to scrap the hidden ending for theorists and just say he's dead, but the puzzle pieces are still there in the parts already produced, and not re-animated out. Even if the Code+Geass ending wasn't pre-release retconned, people were already attached to the bitter-sweet death ending (and get extremely butthurt of you decide to theorize about the show instead of just drooling while staring at the screen or scrolling through Twitter while waiting for the "5 good moments in this overated cartoon" to happen). So the creators decided that instead of going through with the breadcrumbs left in the original series and saying "those overthinking theorists were right, Lelouch isn't dead, and him not dying doesn't actually ruin the ending themes" and having mainstream fans be annoyed at how pretentious their "Turn your brain off mecha anime" suddenly is with hidden details, they decided to make a quick alternate canon, where due to time constraints they cut Shirley's arc, so she lives which also pleases fans, and more importantly they leave new (and remove old) hints for how Code and Geass work to explain Lelouch's fate that would satisfy everyone (except those who wanted a direct sequel to R2)
There is no evidence of code+geass, infact, there is the opposite, evidence against it. There are two ways a geass user can obtain a code. Either they reach the final stage of their geass and kill the code-bearer, like C.C. suggest Lelouch do and Charles was going to do to her. Or both parties have to willingly agree to a transfer once the geass user reaches the final stage of their geass, like Charles did to V.V.
Charles is not dead. He is trapped within C's world but he is technically alive. Even if he was dead, Lelouch did not kill him, C's world did. Lelouch does not want the code, he thinks he should die to atone for his sins. Charles would absolutely refuse to give it to him as well. There was nothing forcing him to willingly accept it like with C.C. and the nun.
The "hidden ending" never existed. It was a fan creation by someone who could not accept that Lelouch was dead. C.C. can detect any change in Lelouch's geass. She is seen crying at the end of the series because she knows Lelouch is going to die. There would be no hiding that from her. Lelouch at this point in his development would no longer lie to Suzaku. He would tell him if he had a code. Geass users and code bearers have always instantly known what their power does when they receive it. The recap movie Code Geass: The Zero Rebellion has a monologue at the end with C.C. explicitly stating Lelouch is dead. She has demonstrated multiple times she knows when Lelouch is alive. All evidence points to code+geass being false.
The show staff have repeatedly said that they wanted to write a story where the main character dies. they evens aid they had decided to kill off Lelouch before the writing had even started. and they added that the option of Lelouch being alive was never even considered when they made the anime.
So no, Lelouch having a code was never even a possibility and there are no "hints" in the anime which suggest he does. anyone who thinks to see "hints" is merely seeing his own projected wishes and not the actual story.
@@DrDoompenguin Nothing you said is against Code+Geass though. Charles said HE traded Geass for Code, but that just means it's what he did. Also nothing tells us how you get Code, as both times it's off screened.
For C.C. knowing "any change" in Lelouch's Geass, you need to rewatch the Euphie incident, she literally looks at SUZAKU and asks if HE is doing something, and then after that she is surprised when Lelouch says his Geass is wild. Also she never found Juluis despite that being much easier to find.
@@IsilionNELE The "staff" have also said they wanted the ending to be open (the 2019 interview by the director) and they also complained about how the shift in R1 and R2 wasn't planned, so the idea they had a plan and stuck with it is provably false.
@@nahte123456 Taniguchi rescinded that interview in Febri where he stated that the idea of Lelouch being alive was never even considered when they made the anime.
Basically, director Taniguchi only made those "you choose" comments in the context of the movie promotion, and after that was done he reverted back to his standard stance of confirming that Lelouch is truly dead.
It's funny, the director and the writers have been repeating for 10+ years that he's dead, and then, just for some "ads" they said said "oh well, you know, you can choose", and all the conspiracy theorists cling to that outliner, completely disregarding 10+ years, and disregarding everything that was said afterwards. Talk about grasping for straws
i never thought about kallen being nude was symbolism for her being exposed. ignoring the context of it being about nudity thats honestly beautiful.
I think something people forget about a lot is C.C talking to Lelouch after his dead.
She seems to be talking to him like he did Mariann. Generally she looks at someone when talking to them, like most people, but with Mariann she looks out in the distance, or just anywhere really. I think this is actually the strongest canon evidence for Lelouch being dead, and in C's world.... Though, this also brings up the idea that he could still be alive BECAUSE of C's world.
It's been a hot minute since I've seen the ending, so maybe she does turn her head towards the driver, but I'm pretty sure she only looks even more up into the sky.
She looks up in the sky, which is away from the driver.
As for Lelouch being "alive" in C's World, that applies to literally everyone who is dead. In the world of Code Geass souls never die but go to C's World. That's why Charles was able to talk to Clovis in Stage 6, 3 episodes after Clovis's death. That's why the Ragnarok Connection would reunite the living with the dead.
There are many canon reasons why we know for sure that Lelouch is dead for sure.
- It's been established that you lose the geass when you get the code (and no, there are no exceptions, those nonsense fantasies have all been debunked) and Lelouch never lost his geass.
- Nunnally has been shown to be able to feel the truth when she touches someone's hand. If Lelouch was immortal she wouldnt' be crying over his death as she did
- On the 2009 DVD C.C. explicitly confirms Lelouch is dead for real and that she mourns his death.
- The theme of the anime is sin and redemption and Lelouch has been trying to kill himself to redeem himself for a while. The Zero Requiem is already his 3rd attempt to die.
That's why people who mistakenly think he's alive simply don't understand the anime at all. They're not grasping the core of the show.
@@IsilionNELE The truth actually brings something else into mind.
She can feel the truth because of how people act with their bodies. When touching Lelouch it looks more like Lelouch is feeding her images as his life flashed before his eyes, giving her the images himself. Much like how C.C can feed shock image to Suzaku about his father. Which, imo, is the best argument for him being alive still.
As for the loss of Geass, we don't actually know if it's attributed to obtaining a code or not. As in the alternate universe Lelouch has a code, AND also a Geass. Of course they say that it's possible they won't be able to come back to life, but that still means it is possible. Code likely manifests in different ways, as C.C has the ability to sense Geass users, but V.V does not.
I personally believe Lelouch is dead because it makes a slightly better story imo, but C.C grieving over his death could be because of his lost memory, like in the Re;surrection.
Lelouch isn't trying to kill himself, he values his life exceptionally well for the sake of Nunally, he is prepared to die, and willing to die, but he does not want to die.
@@KraNisOG If you had paid attention you would have known that Lelouch did NOT give Nunnally code visions. So there goes your "best argument" immediately down the drain.
C.C. herself told us that was impossible!
- C.C. said that code visions are random images of the RECIPIENT, and thus Nunnally couldn't have seen anything where she wasn't present.
- C.C. also told us that code visions contain random shock images, which are completely lacking from the images of Turn 25.
- On top of that, Nunnally reacts and gasps audibly BEFORE the images are shown, so she isn't reaction to the images at all.
That's because the images are not something seen by Nunnally, they are images for the audience only, to tell us what Nunnally understood.
- And finally, even the show staff have said in interviews that those weren't code visions or memories at all!
Yes, we do know that you lose the geass when you get the code because the anime EXPLICITLY tells us this!!
How long was it since you last saw the anime?
No, lelouch doesn't have a code in the movies!
Have you not seen the movie??
C.C. explicitly tells Kallen he does NOT have a code! First she wonders about the possibility, but then points out that he still has a geass and concludes thusly that he cannot have a code.
On top of that the anime repeatedly shows us that the mark on his chest is a NEW power and NOT a code
- Shamna gets geassed, impossible for code bearers
- Shamna dies, impossible for code bearers
In the movie's picture drama Lelouch gets geassed, impossible for code bearers
- And in interviews the writers said that Lelouch and Shamna are the only ones with this new power. If it had been a code they would have included C.C. as well.
And finally, C.C. and Lelouch both explains several times that it was C.C. who literally resurrected Lelouch's corpse. If he had had a code C.C. wouldn't have needed to do that.
And yes, Lelouch was trying to kill himself. That was super obvious because the Zero Requiem is already Lelouch's THIRD attempt to redeem himself through death!
The Official Guide Book explains the Zero Requiem very beautifully:
"For those two who bear the heavy sin known as killing their fathers, they share the belief that they can forgive each other by imposing the greatest punishments on themselves. Death for Lelouch who wishes for a tomorrow with his sister, life for Suzaku who wishes to atone for his sins through death."
And in "Geass Memories" the director and the writer said:
"Probably this Lelouch we see in the first episode of the series wouldn't choose death. He would try something to avoid it. He couldn't die, for Nunnally as well. But we see him changed in the last episode."
In all honesty, anyone who thinks it's possible Lelouch has a code simply doesn't understand anything about the anime or Lelouch.
@IsilionNELE She never said it was impossible. She only said she didn't know exactly what he was seeing. Only that to him it would cause shock.
She was intentionally feeding shock images each time she went to use it. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that she can't share other types of images.
Suzaku also reacted before he saw the images, same with the guard who touched C.C
To Nunally, almost any image could cause shock because she has barely even begun to see.
C.C. confirms to us in the Re;surrection movie that he DOES have a Code.
I just watched the Friday and finished the series again on the 14th.
Things said in interviews don't really have a lot of merit other than personal belief of an author or someone on the project.
He didn't want to die because he had already viewed himself as dead. This is further expanded on the Re;surrection movie where he instead states he has died already.
But if Lelouch actually wanted death, he would not be traveling with C.C, nor would the third season be happening.
And that "Geass Memories" part was exactly my point. You just proved me right.
He doesn't want to die because Nunally is his reason for living. This is also, probably, part of the reason why he decides to stay with C.C. at the end of Re;surrection.
C.C. does not say he doesn't have a code. She says, "Lelouch effectively killed the God of that world, so the Code issue was not properly resolved." It is made exceptionally clear that Lelouch DID ressurect after his death due to a (possible faulty) Code.
Shamna does not have a Code, even if she was a code bearer, she can still be killed. We literally see it happen more than once. Lelouch and C.C, are the only characters (aside from those who exist outside human perception) who we know are alive with a Code Mark.
I never said he had one. I'm stating the basis on which the theory can hold water. Even a cup with holes can hold water.
I was trying to be respectful and merely state theories and ideas, but I'm not entirely sure you care about that.
It was left vague on purpose to be interpreted by the viewer if he is truly dead or if he did successfully get a code. It was also purposly shown to us about C.C. talking on her C's world fashion and grieving to help solidify that Lelouch is dead. It's a smart marketing move, and imo it should be left as that. We don't need a definitive answer because the best part is the mystery.
Late edit: the easiest way to disprove Lelouch living is to simply invoke Occams Razor. A lot of the arguments made for his death can be contradicted, but the simplest answer is that he's dead because we saw him die.
@@KraNisOG C.C. said that the memories belonged to the recipient, therefore it is impossible because nunnally wasn't present in C's world, which is what the images showed.
C.C. also said she had no control over what images are being sent and that they include shock images, those weren't present in the images of Turn 25.
To Nunnally any image is a shock? That's the dumbest thing i ever heard. She wasn't even always blind, and we KNOW what shock images look like, it's an objective description, not a subjective one
On top of that, the writers said it had nothing to do with codes or geasses.
In Mook Animedia (28 January 2009, p.89-90) there was an interviewwhich explicitly denied that Nunnally was seeing visions or that those images had anything to do with codes or geasses.
"How did Nunnally managed to realize Lelouch true intention, when she touched his hand at the end?"
"The way Nunnally can tell that someone is lying, just like she was able to tell that Lohmeyer was lying to her, is that she can feel the hand of the person she is talking to is sweating or lightly trembling. It's nothing like Geass or some special ability like that."
"Yes. So, she simply came to conclusion [Lelouch was lying] by herself, because of this ability."
"She is Marianne's daughter and Lelouch's little sister. Two months have passed since that defeat of Schneizel and for this two months she's been wondering constantly about what had happened, like "why it happened?" and so on. So when she touched Lelouch's hand at the end she felt that he is calm, she put the two and two together and realized the truth. Of course, we know that in anime, it's hard to explain things like that, but yeah, please accept it like this kind of "romantic" idea we had."
So it's a FACT that Lelouch did not send code memories to Nunnally.
Anyone who insinuates otherwise simply doesn't understand the anime
Interviews show the vision the writers had when they made their fiction. They said they had decided to kill off the main character before the writing had even started.
Code Geass exists solely because they wanted to make a story where the main character does evil and dies in the end to atone.
The director even said that the option of keeping Lelouch alive was never even considered when they made the anime.
Therefore, anyone who thinks to see clues that Lelouch is alive is delusional and is only seeing his own emotional, twisted projections and not the actual anime.
LOL you slept through the movie or what??
C.C. explicitly explains Lelouch doesn't have a code!
Lelouch gets geassed!
Lelouch never came back to life on his own, C.C. had to resurrect him.
How can you not understand such simple things?
Just because of that mark on his chest?
We already know other powers which look just like that mark. It's called geass. Is a geass a code? No. That proves that the shape of the mark doesn't imply it's a code.
Even the writers have said it's not a code but a new power.
There is no 3rd season. Damn you are poorly informed.
The movies are a non-canon alternate universe (Shirley is alive, Mao doesn't exist, Schneizel knew early about codes, Shirley didn't shoot villetta, etc).
What you erroneously call a "3rd season" is going to be the first season of the non-canon universe and it's called "Z of the Recapture", it has no relation to R2
You really didn't read the "Geass memories" right.
They say "AT FIRST he didn't ant to die, but by the end of the anime HE WAS A CHANGED MAN"
Dude, read.
It's not vague or mysterious, the rules of the anime are ironclad
- you lose the geass when you get the code
- Lelouch never lost his geass
- C.C. confirmed on the DVD that he's dead for real
- the writers confirmed he never had a code
Anyone who things that is vague simply doesn't understand anything
Yes, Shamna didn't have a code, like you say.
And yet SHAMNA HAS THE SAME MARK AS LELOUCH (on her belly)
So you debunked yourself
No, C.C. said "but he still has a geass" so the issue of exchanging the geass for a code wasn't resolved, i.e. she says he doesn't have a code
Lelouch did not resurrect, he GOT RESURRECTED.
Both C.C. and Lelouch explicitly say that SHE did that and not some alleged code on Lelouch. Lelouch having a code voids the entire premise of the anime.
Lelouch even complains that she resurrected him against his will
How much of the movie did you sleep through?
I care about people telling the truth and not spreading disinformation, not about your ego or sensibilities.
The show staff have repeatedly denied he has a code and explained that its is their "sense of ethics".
By spreading LIES about there being a possibility of Lelouch having a code you spit in the faces of the those who made the anime.
YOU are the disrespectful one
The easiest way to debunk Lelouch being alive is to point out the established rules of codes and geasses.
And the fact that on the DVD C.C. literally says he' dead and that she mourns his death!!!
Google the 2009 DVD epilogue
How the hell did Nunally get on the list
I've been thinking about that if someone somehow conducts a 12 game chess match between Lelouch and Light Yagami and the event takes place in our world (where no supernatural beings exist which means no Geass or Death Note i.e., no cheating) and they are given proper time and flexibility for preparation like official fide world championship who would win and why?
I've been getting into chess composition, I might make a game that could be in this match. Imo, Light has exactly one advantage in this scenario: He comes from a world more similar to ours, and probably therefore has access to better chess theory. The issue for Light is that he played volleyball instead of chess, and he's going up against someone who is canonically a chess prodigy. He's not smart enough to keep up with Lelouch's experience advantage. A Go match between them would be more interesting, and harder to predict. But I still give it to Lelouch, for his strategic thinking alone.
Lelouch easy
@@KatoBeyond Thanks for replying👍😅
@@KatoBeyondyeah a Go match would be much more interesting.
Light easily, lelouch is not that smart. His plans are pretty basic and it's not like he planned everything from the start. He mostly just made average smart decisions except the ending. Which was a smart move but he was way behind the game most of the show.
If you take early light before he goes crazy, then it's no contest. Light wins pretty easily.
Think about it, other than the final move were his tricks that are smart or were they average smart. Light and L are way ahead of lelouch.
He is a great character though, not because he's intelligent but because he's interesting.
Idk if this is a "unpopular opinion" or whatever, but we need some prequel stuff on code geass. I'm a diehard lelouch fan but even I know if they focus too much on him his it'll drag down his uniqueness in code geass as a character. What we mostly need is backstory on Charles, CC ESPECIALLY, how they got to know each other, what CC did after she got tricked by the nun, where she was when certain historical events were happening, how she perceived them, seeing her progress go from an innocent girl who wanted to be loved to a cold indifferent observer, maybe seeing some moments with some other characters where she tried to let herself have hope for herself but then got crushed again, enforcing her cold attitude we see her have in R1.
I honestly think they shouldn't have continued on after the main series. Lelouch died for a reason. It was a vindication of everything he said he did. He was a piece the entire time, the king, like everyone else. He onky killed whilst prepared to be killed. He was ready to pay the price for choosing the lesser evil so many times, even if it was the best option. His death was full of meaning, and whilst I enjoyed Ressurection, I thought it kinda spit on that. So I don't want to see him as a side character or anything, I want to see him as a whisper of history and memory in a world where he died a hated and unsung martyr to his own beliefs, and that's what they should have done if they wanted to continue the series. But I think they generally shouldn't have, it stood strong on its own as the story of a man's struggles against himself and the world for the world. But if they had to continue it, and they may very well produce something amazing enough to make me think it justified, it should have been with Lelouch's final note being his most meaningful. The show couldn't have functioned without its protagonist, and I'm not sure the franchise is the same without him, but I'm hoping to be proven wrong in the future by them either using him well in a non-protagonist role or performing well without him
I love how Kellen is the only character in show with camera inside mech shows her butt. It is such gentle touch of "fan service". Cherry on top.
well, the most important thing is the hook. and keeping the audience hooked and rewarded, over and over again. its a skinner box. and it helps if we got dopamine early and plenty of it to keep us going.
some people just dont get that hit of dopamine. and they will value and judge the show differently.
and we are more willing to entertain how the show makes us feel... if we like it in the first place. i forget the term or phrase, but its a compounding effect.
if you are annoyed or offended or bored... it will be much, MUCH easier to use your idling brain power to start nitpicking and criticizing.
Definitely very true. Depending on how much I enjoy something I will be willing to overlook more flaws, while something I’m bored by I will start to nitpick way more. I try to keep it balanced, which is why while Code Geass is my favorite anime enjoyment wise it has dropped out of my top 10 due to it having many issues, but I still love it.
Code Geass has been my favorite anime for a long time. It certainly has problems, but a lot of those problems are balanced out by how well it delivers on an emotional level. The deeper you look at the show, the more layers you see. For example, I used to get really annoyed at Suzaku in season 2. I never hated him, but he often got on my nerves. The older I get, the easier it is for me to understand his character and see why he's all over the place a lot of the time. Lelouch is certainly the one who drives the narrative, but a lot would be lost without Suzaku there too. He's a character I feel reflects the type of person who seeks to make positive changes in society but underestimates how taxing that task actually is, especially from within a corrupt system. And because of the trauma he went through as a ten year-old child and as a teenager (because everyone forgets Lelouch and Suzaku are 17 in R1) he feels like a jaded yet naive adult nearing 30 rather than a guy who is barely an adult in R2. You go through enough in life and you'll start seeing yourself in Suzaku. A lot of people would rather not have to face the things they don't like about themselves in these fictional characters. I feel that's why Suzaku is traditionally one of the more hated characters in Code Geass because he mirrors how easy it is for a person to lose themselves in their ideals, especially when those ideals are a trauma response. The poor guy never had a chance to be happy. He threw so much of his life away for ideals he didn't have the will to completely follow through on until after the second battle in Tokyo where he basically killed millions against his will...Britannian and Japanese alike. And after that he acts more like Lelouch because in truth, they shared many of the same ideas and values. Suzaku just never wanted to admit that to himself. He thought he had to find a "better" way because of his guilt about what he did at ten years old.
Am I a fan of the fanservice and some of the plot contrivances that happen? No. Do those things take away from the brilliant character writing? No. Code Geass has some fabulous character writing, even for some of the worst characters. Like Nina for example. She's a product of Britannian propaganda that was probably shoved down her throat since birth. Nothing more. Nothing less. I don't hate her. I just hate the things she represents and rejoice when she gets humbled. Her character isn't deep, but it serves its purpose well enough. I think we're supposed to want to slap her upside the head on a regular basis. But again, her character is reflective of people who hate due to differences of any kind, whether it be race or a different point of view that doesn't match their thinking. Code Geass was ahead of its time in that regard because people are far more reactive to differing opinions now, even on minor things that don't actually matter. I've learned a lot from watching Code Geass many, many times. I feel that there's always something new to find with it. Some people may not get that, and that's okay with me. Faults and all, I love this show. :)
I enjoyed listening to the hot takes. :) Best wishes and God bless you!
hot take: they should stop making more code geass things, the ending was perfect it didn’t need anything
anything they do add I will just be relegating to an alternate timeline, the original timeline still ends with lelouch dying and a better more gentle world
maybe a prequel about the origins of the geass and cc’s backstory would be nice but that’s all
My hottest take on code Geass is probably that Nina should have had a hot Japanese girlfriend so she could overcome her racism, she would see euphemia in her before she even knew she was Japanese, then kinda has mental breakdown but then comes to terms with...
Wait back to the fanfiction table
Fun fact: The "Lulu has/ is THE Code Geass" theory isn't a theory in the movie timeline, It's canon (to that timeline, still fun speculation in the shows timeline.)
Except that movie-C.C. explicitly denies that he has a code. She first wonders whether he has charles code, then she immediately refutes the possibility by pointing out he still has a geass and then concludes he doesn't have a code.
On top of that we see him getting geassed in the movie's picture drama, making it impossible for hi to have a code.
Even more, Shamna has the same new power as Lelouch, and she gets geassed and dies, all impossible foe code bearers.
So don't be fooled by the mark on his chest, it is obviously not a code but a NEW power. Its just has the same shape as the marks of a geass and a code.
And finally, the show staff have explained that Lelouch doesn't have a code but a NEW power called, and that only Lelouch and Shamna have it.
@@helloworld5531 You need to watch season 2 which is called "R2".
Don't skip episodes, just start from R2 episode 1.
It will be confusing at first but that is deliberate, they will gradually explain what happened.
@@IsilionNELEThe code placement on Lelouch’s body is what’s tricking people
@@Mrbluefire95 Sadly. Those people really aren't paying attention.
The movie makes it very clear it's the mark of a NEW power and not a code.
Sure, it looks like a code mark, but a geass mark also has EXACTLY the same shape and that's not a code either, so clearly the shape of the mark doesn't mean it's a code.
lelouch telling the truth is a hot take?
i was dying SO MANY TIMES for him to just goddam spill it all out to suzaku
to the point i even read the alternate universes mangas(if you are not aware lelouch story occurs in several universes with diffrent events which diffrent mangas cover) just to see if it would happen
1 of them did end up with a somewhat happy ending but that one was sort of like a combination of demon lord shanenigans+code geass
i liked reading it tho
yet the strangest one i read was the one where suzaku is the main character
knightmares just do not exist
and the lancelot is a super power suit
make a video on aot ending vs code geass ending
about ur theory of lelouch getting a code
in my opinion i think its just more fitting that lelouch dies off there for the good of the world
good theory doe
I got a gold star! Yay!
On the video itself, I'll say on the Black Knight Betrayal thing, I like the idea, my problem is the evidence. Audio that could be easily made up, not even counting the only person on the BK side to have ever even heard Lelouch unmodified or seen him is Tohdoh like 8 years ago. How do they know it's not doctored or just some teens Schnitzel paid to talk act?
Onto my own hot take,I don't mind what anyone thinks,I just don't find none canon creator comments to change the series canon. Heck we know that they didn't plan for the R2 timeskip at first so it's not even like you can argue the creators always got what they wanted. Both thematically and in the lore both Lelouch dying and surviving makes perfect sense.
Hey, thanks for commenting. The Black Knights mostly believe Schneizel's word because of Ohgi backing him up. Was wondering if you can back up the claim that they didn't plan for the R2 timeskip, like a quote from the director or something. It would help with the follow-up video.
@@KatoBeyond I mean Ohgi's info also came from an unknown Brittanian, Villetta may be less trustworthy in fact. But at least Xing-ke and Kaguya not being there makes it better.
But anyways, the easiest source would be looking up "celiss galvea taniguchi interview". She interviewed Taniguchi, the director, and he complains about having to completely throw out their original R2 ideas because of the time slot change. I didn't find the original from a quick look but I found multiple renditions of it so citing it shouldn't be hard.
Also about 2 years ago at AnimeNYC they had a Code Geass Resurrection panel. I didn't see any recording but on Reddit LightningRevolution had talked about it and most people seemed to agree they called the ending ambiguous, if you can track it down better. But I don't have the time right now to find it myself.
@@nahte123456 Thanks for the info, very helpful!
@@nahte123456 I think that was only a bit of the full recording, schneizel explains that the true recording is on the lancelot, suggesting that they'll divulgate it even if they try to destroy it.
At the start of the episode you can see Todoh hearing Zero desperate for Nunnaly, no wonder they could start to question the whole recording as lelouch exasperatedly asked help for nunnaly's rescue to suzaku, and seeing how everything got perfectly explained by the documents, Rolo, Geremiah sided with them (they think it's geassed), Euphemia...
Also, as Cornelia says, they have no other possibility, seeing how they have a fleija on schneizel's ship and BK will likely fail if the full recording and documents get public.
@@sussy9610 first the Fleija was just so they couldn't shoot him down, not actually a weapon.
But second, do what. We literally see Sayoko with the Lelouch mask mimic him. Just show that, and if people are still suspicious just like, show Zero with Lelouch. It's not hard to 'prove' it's doctored.
For Nunnally's, so? Wow Zero was upset someone died, that doesn't prove it's Lelouch, and it being Lelouch doesn't prove it's not a fake recording.
Finally for Lelouch mind controlling them, how are they able to rebel? Why not lock him into a room and question him over radio? If Lelouch could broadcast his unproven mind control he'd already have Schniezel and Cornelia enslaved. That they all can have this conversation at all probes Lelouch's, still unproven, mind control isn't impossible to deal with.
You beat me to it I was working on a video just like this. Thankfully you only covered half of the hot takes I was planning on covering.
I disagree with your takes on Kallen both the fan service and her role in r2.
Another video I am working on.
Also are you taking shots a gladiator king lol?
That user has some very thoughtful takes on Code Geass.
Stage 6 is an excellent episode this is something that you and trash taste both dislike in my mind unfairly.
Also another video I am working on.
Agree on the cbr stuff I have suffered through their articles including the one you mentioned.
Reddit has very interesting takes on stuff I would recommend checking out the less popular posts where people express deep ideas on the series.
The Nina hate is really getting so bad at this point and it makes no sense when you think about besides your point on how writers make you hate Nina on purpose.
The fim that summaries r2 states at the end that Lelouch is dead. So that's pretty canon admitting to Lelouch's fate. It came out in 2009 and doesn't change the story.
I respect your options but your take on Turn 19 is just wrong.
Schneizel did play his card at the right time but everything else was just horribly handled
Hey, good to see you here. Not sure who gladiator king is, no shots fired intended. Though I'm not sure how you conclude my take on Turn 19 is wrong, when all I said is that it would be risky for the Black Knights to try to talk to Lelouch, which it would. I should have also mentioned that the Black Knights mostly believe Schneizel because of Ohgi backing him up. Unless I'm mistaken, I also think the 2009 statement from C.C. about Lelouch being dead is from the DVD, not one of the R2 recap movies as the first of those came out in 2018
@@KatoBeyond
Gladiator king is one of my oldest subscribers been with me since I was at 100 subs.
I was obviously joking with the taking shots at him.
But I wasn't joking about his impressive analysis of the show.
He consistently corrects me in my videos.
There would two sets of recap films. The first came out between 2008 - 2009 and they recapped the original series with no changes to the og narrative.
In the zero requiem recep film that line was added to the ending confirming that Lelouch died.
The second set of recap films aired between 2017 - 2018 and tell a different version of the og timeline.
Honestly it's very confusing at times.
I have to make a follow up video to my watch order to go over the different timelines and universes in cg.
With GENESIS RE Code things became even more complex.
Since Ohgi didn't provide any evidence no risk existed.
The black knights simply trusted one of their enemies and Ohgi who was visible shown with a Britannian woman.
Which makes him less trustworthy.
To put it simply there was valid evidence presented so no risk existed.
I forgot to say nice video as always.
@@MyMediaChops Oh, this first set of recap films is pretty below the radar, that's a good find. I will have to give these a watch. So, what is the line added in the R2 movie? The line I was referring to is a monologue that plays during the credits scene of the final episode, which was added to the DVD release also in 2009. It seems like it's part of the creators doubling down on Lelouch's death, likely at Okouchi's behest.
I would love a Code Geass timeline video.
Also, I think it's not weird for the Black Knights to trust Ohgi, he's a very powerful figure in the organization and Tamaki( the most defensive of Zero) has actually known him longer than Zero, which is reasoning that would matter to him. Diethard also already suspects the existence of Geass at this point, and Tohdoh suspects that Zero isn't who he believed him to be. I guess I see why this is such a hot debate in the fandom right now
@@KatoBeyond I don't know who influenced the line but that's the one I am referring to.
Your points about Ohgi, Tohdoh, and Diethard don't work.
But I am not going to go back and forth here.
I am working on a video on the topic you will have to wait until then.
You are not wrong this is the most debated topic in the fandom.
Thanks for the back and forth it's always a pleasure talking with the host of the best Code Geass channel on CZcams
I personally think lelouch should not become the protagonist in z if the recapture but maybe more of a Deuteragonist who assists the new MC. We know (or at least it's been heavily implied in the 2nd resurection OVA) he at least has started to go around the world collecting "Geass fragments" with C.C., so it would be interesting to see the story switch between those 2 and the new protagonist
Geass is an interesting plot mechanic and I like the alternative timeline, but I'd want to see something either far in the future or maybe Geass utilization in the growth of the Britannian empire under Emperor Ricardo, the first Britannia emperor. I did definitely like Akito the Exiled
I honestly loved Rolo and Suzaku. I never understood why people don't like them.
Recapture of Z better be good
I need someone to tell me. Is there a 3rd season of the show out there?? If so, where can I watch it???
As someone who watches lighter animes like slice of life I didn't really think there was any "fan service" because the very little fanservice it had was involved in the story to a certain extent like the "exposed" symbolism of Kallen or just realistically how the knightmare would have the person leaning over like that to help with whiplash or whatever and the girl gossip scene with Shirley seems accurate aswell, yeah it's in the changing room but it sounds pretty accurate to have "girl talk" in a private environment like that
Personally I don't have anything against how "The Incident" happened since it's not something that came completely out of nowhere. Earlier on in the series CC had brought up the concept of losing control of your Geass and how it can eventually grow out of the user's control. I personally think it adds to the scene the fact that it came out of nowhere since it wasn't what Lelouch wanted but had to live with the consequences of.
He originally considered killing the Princess as an alternative but probably wasn't intending on really doing it. I think the fact it came out of nowhere actually adds to it because it's likely that both Lelouch and the audience are taken aback by what just happened and can feel the despair building up as you realize that something that was said casually and offhandedly is now going to cause a disaster and Lelouch is now unable to stop it no matter how much he tried to undo it and had to ultimately put her down for her own good and for others.
(Side note: I don't agree with the idea that Lelouch should have faced the issue of losing control of his Geass more times after the first, to me that just doesn't make sense and it would require Lelouch to be out of character for that to happen. Of course someone as smart as Lelouch would immediately develop countermeasures against it happening again, especially after what happened the first time and how it lead to the death of not only innocent civilians but of his sister too. Do you REALLY think Lelouch wouldn't crack down on that issue immediately after the fact?)
The point is moreso that Lelouch should have had to make those countermeasures, such as speaking in such a way to not order others while looking at them, instead of just being handed a way out
My unpopular opinion is that the fanfiction Code geass Megiddo hits way harder than the actual canon (it replaces R2 and has a few changes like all of the Sakuradite in Japan being blown up by brittania as a hail marry to make sure the black knights or china (who was on their way to pick off the stragglers of the final war for Japan in R1 and take over) couldnt get those sakuradite resources that would let them stand up to britannia but that is enough spoilers and i recommend megiddo to new and veteran fans alike
Can you do a comprehensive video on the episode on Cs World
I just love Code Geass and Lelouch as well as KATO.
Hear, hear!
I honestly think that R2 is far and away better than R1 because of how thick and intertwined the plot points are. The story jumps around a lot, but only because its covering so much ground for individual characters. And it pays off. Code Geass is great because literally every character has some depth, and all the individual plot points are tied up so satisfyingly at the end.
Please do make that Kallen video! - and thanks for the Code Geass content
People say that R2 is messy and I think it mostly comes down to tastes, I enjoyed R2 a lot but mostly because I personally like the chaos of the plot and setting moving around frequently, never a dull episode or even moment.
I think a good sequel would be following the story of Lelouch's daughter in the fan made "The power of the queens"
Loved the video
I think it deppends on, how do they want the future of the show.
**My opinion**
If they want to solfe the mysterys of the geasses, than maybe C.C with Lelouch as side kick or the other way around.
If they want to continue where Lelouch died, at the world stage, maybe one of the other important characters. Nice would maybe be both, so the story can focus on both.
But maybe they do nothing of what we imangine and suprise us all.
I like the fan fiction of the character Liana Lamperouge who's the daughter of Kallen and Lelouch. They should use her as the new main character while keeping Lelouch and C.C in the background as code holders.
Where is that follow-up, I need it. I was pretty convinced by that post, I want to know what you have to say about it.
It's a big issue and I plan to do it the justice it deserves. I am sorry that's taking so long
Of course it's convincing, on the 2009 DVD C.C. herself even says he's dead for real and that she mourns his death.
In Geass Memories the creators said they had decided to kill off the main character before they had even started writing. Code Geass was created with the specific goal of killing Lelouch. In Febri the director said that the option of keeping Lelouch alive was never even considered when they made the anime. they said that Lelouch's death was their "sense of ethics".
That's why there's absolutely nothing in the anime which even vaguely hints at him being alive.
That's why literally everything in the anime points at him being dead. Even the very first episode contains heavy foreshadowing of Lelouch's death. "Lelouch, do you want to become the leader of a big corporation?" "No way, something like that is bad for your health"
That's why any attempt to "show" that Lelouch is alive is contradicted by the anime and requires adding fanfic ideas and changing established rules, at which point you're no longer talking about the anime, and all such attempts always end as embarrassing failures as all they do is demonstrate the conspiracy theorist's lack of understanding of the anime and emotional inability to accept painful facts.
I'll just add a small example.
In Turn 23 C.C. tries to persuade Lelouch not to do the Zero Requiem by saying "Lelouch, haven’t you done enough?"
If Lelouch had Charles's code this wouldn't make any sense because, doing the Zero Requiem or not, Lelouch's fate is already set since Turn 21 where he allegedly got Charles's code. Even if you believe in the myth that codes need to be activated through death (debunked by the anime in Turn 15) the Zero Requiem doesn't matter because the code would activate sooner or later anyway, even if only through a natural death. So with that one line C.C. already shows YET AGAIN that Lelouch doesn't have a code.
People who believe Lelouch is alive not only don't understand the anime, they even don't understand their own theory because it is inherently self contradicting!!
They (falsely) claim that codes need to be activated by dying, and they also (falsely) claim that Lelouch sent code visions to Nunnally (those images were not seen by Nunnally, they were for the audience to show us what Nunnally came to understand). How then can Lelouch send code visions BEFORE he died and activated his code?? Obvious contradiction is obvious.
Yet again showing that publicly claiming that Lelouch is alive is an exercise in self-humiliation
@@IsilionNELE That line could be interpreted as her saying that he doesn't need to risk his life anymore. Assuming C.C. saw a Code mark on Lelouch, she might still say that line because they don't know how Lelouch's abilities actually work
Arguments to show that Lelouch is dead relying solely on the anime are a bit flimsy, and opponents of the theory dance around the fact that the anime blatantly introduces ambiguity about Lelouch's death. We never even see Lelouch's funeral
"Well if you're turning off your brain when you watch Code Geass, that's probably why you don't get why it's a masterpiece."
This so much.
Interesting info there:
Scapegoat sacrifices took place to cleanse the sins of the society for everyone, often after vulgar rituals. From these rituals came theatrical plays called satyr (celebrations of Dyonisus) that presumably were both tragedy and comedy mixed together.
GeassedbyLelouch had some valid points yet he is and/or was very extreme and close-minded with his arguments. You can counter parts of his responses, but it's not worth the effort. In any case, Kato, I agree with you that hopefully Lelouch will be a secondary actor or even a background figure in future projects.
The movies were bad, that my hot take
more Lelouch period
I believe that there were to key moments for Lelouch to disclose the Truth, to a select number of the Black Knights:
1. In R1 when he showed his face to the head of Kyoto, he could a have shown himself to Ohgi and Kallen at least. There he had someone who trusted the demon of hatred behind Zero.
2. If not, in R2 I believe that after saving Ohgi, Tohdoh and the rest of the Black Knights during their reunion at the Embassy he should have disclosed his identity to Ohgi and Tohdoh.
Why would he trust them? Kallen pretty openly hates Britannians and he's know Ohgi for not even a full month yet.
As for after saving them in R2, again he barely knows Ohgi it's been less than 2 months, but beyond that the whole reason he could come back is because no one knew for certain who was who, Zero was a symbol. That is the worst time because he can't prove it and would downplay him coming back.
A better time would be after saving Tianzi, telling Tohdoh, Kaguya, and maybe Xing-ke would fit there since the UFN changes the dynamics of Zero entirely.
Lots of strife could've been avoided if Lelouch told the truth to Suzaku at the temple
The villanous jesus routine is admirable, and perhaps the 'right' move in that situation, and Suzaku still saw through it anyway, but coming clean about the exact details of what happened and how Lelouch really felt would've cleared up a lot between them, possibly averted the fleija detonation in Tokyo, and also given Schneizel less of an edge in convincing the black knights to turn on Zero
To the people saying they should have talked to Zero about it before turning on him, what would they say if they did confront him and he just said "oh yeah Schneizal's right I'm controlling you all with my geass, you better betray me."
Would those complainers be satisfied if it played out that way?
Idk a lot of frustrating stuff happens in code geass but a big point is that code geass is about *people* not rational agents
A prequel following the knights of the round or the Chinese would be amazing but only if done with the same attention to detail
I know this is not related to the main timeline but I enjoyed how they made an alternative timeline. And I also, PERSONALLY, enjoyed the Akito series as well. Now I want the Code Geass - Oz The Reflection to be animated. Honestly, anything to do with Code Geass, I’m here for it
It's my fav anime ever, and I would always say it's the best ever.
The only downside I have to Code Geass is that, the history and lore isn't expanded upon enough.
As for the successor?
I can see Akito being a decent/near worthy successor, working well in a duo with Leila.
I don't have a hot take, but I have a great problem.
When? When did Suzaku know that Zero was Lelouch?
For those who don't remember, when Suzaku shot Zero's mask at the end of season 1. He said: "I should have arrested you earlier," Lelouch asked: "Did you already know?" Suzaku says, "I heard it a while back, but I didn't want to believe it".
So... When did he know that Zero was Lelouch?
Could have been as early as episode 4 tbh
It’s been a while since I watched, but I remember someone from Britania telling him about it. I think it was V2, but don’t take my word for it.
@@Kaisona2017 Yeah it was V2 but it was after the Euphie incident.
And Susaku says it as he knew much earlier.
@@KatoBeyond Most likely specially due too Zero's and Lelouch's personalities coinciding.
He didn't say he heard it a while back, just that he considered it for it for a while but didn't want to believe it so he ignored his suspicions.
I want another season that's code geass after story and at least one person , can understand what lelouch did and what was his real porpouse.
Also would love to see more of the other code geass ovas history with the other girl with geass or was it anti geass? I don't remember
I actually disagree with the lelouchs geass out of control point simply because of how lelouchs geass works. However in defending this point, I found a better thing to nitpick. Lelouch can control his geass even when uncontrollable because it requires eye contact(same is true for charles vi brittania). We know it can bounce off mirrors but otherwise requires strict eye contact with nothing blocking it hence the contact lens being a perfect solution. However we should've seen other "failed" geass users other than mao interact with the world when their geass goes out of control. Remember that v2 explains that Rolo is a failed geass user because of the toll on his body. Imagine if we had other geass users like rolo or even c2(who was also a failed geass user if using v2s definition of a successful geass user)
Can you do an Akito the exiled analysis
Code Geass is my favorite anime, but on rewatch it undoubtedly has a ton of contrivances and plot holes. MoneyFolder made an incredibly long video that goes in depth about it. Though I do disagree with many of his criticisms as well and still think the series is great overall, even though I would no longer rank it as one of the BEST anime ever, but it’s my favorite in my heart.
Just because Code Geass is a series where fate exists doesn't make it any less sound, and literally every story has contrivances
@@KatoBeyond Not to the extent of Code Geass though. I do like Code Geass and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But of all the best anime I've watched, Code Geass has the most contrivances.
@@benapeh854 For me to not dismiss that claim, I'd need to see some data backing it up. But I am glad that you're at least categorizing Code Geass correctly
@@KatoBeyond Yeah most stories have contrivances, but some have A LOT more than others. Fate does play a role into minimizing the severity of them, but there’s definitely some instances of lazy writing that undermine the series. You mentioned yourself the Geass going crazy having a cop out solution, but just from memory some of the most egregious contrivances are the stuff with Mao, moments like how Lelouch records himself and predicts entire conversations. I’d have to rewatch the show again to give more specific answers cause my memory is hazy, but I still love the show, it has a ton of depth, GOAT protag, amazing ending, lore is epic, conceptually it could’ve been the GOAT, it was for me at first, but execution wise on rewatch it holds it back for me despite being great. Still my favorite in my heart but trying to be more objective it’s dropped in my list of best anime. As for the “data” check out the video from MoneyFolder. Again he’s overly critical and I don’t agree with a lot of the video but he definitely makes some good points as well. I would link it but I’ve tried linking stuff in comments and it gets removed. Regardless I love your videos and I appreciate you replying. Btw I would be curious to hear your top anime or if you’ve said them somewhere before. Actually checking out LOTGH since I think you ranked it with Code Geass. Monster for me is the best currently.
Edit: also Kyo Report did a shorter video that basically just lists some issues in the show. This one is more tolerable than the other one lmao (the MoneyFolder one is over an hour)
Did you end up making the Kallen video? I'd love to watch it.
Plotholes and narrative conveniences? Yes--- But ones that serve and strengthen the core themes VERY well.
Wait code+geass is still considered a theory? We see his code at work (and also malfunctioning due to destruction in collective unconsciousness) in R3, just what is left to theorize about? He got stabbed, revived and even took on a name like other code carriers L2/L.L.
C.C. explicitly denies he has a code by explaining he still has a geass.
Lelouch didn't get revived through his own means but literally resurrected by C.C.'s powers.
Lelouch gets geassed in the movie's picture drama, impossible for code ebarers
Shamna, who has the same new pwoer as Lelouch, gets geassed and dies, impossible for code bearers
The malfunctioning code explanation is debunked by the fact that C.C.'s code works perfectly fine
The show staff have said that Lelouch and Shamna do not have a code but a NEW power and that only those 2 have that power
the name L.L. was explained in the Japanese movie pamphelt to be a marriage proposal (taking on the spouse's name) and NOT a code name.
"Code Geass: Renya of Darkness" explained that code names follow the alphabet. That makes Charles W.W., and if Lelouch had had Charles code he would have been X.X. and not L.L.
geass+code is not a theory, it's a debunked fantasy
also, it's not R3, the 4 movies are an alternate universe, there is no relation to R2. (which is, for example, why Shirley is alive)
Kallen gets too much hate for abandoning Lelouch on Kamine Island. During their one date in R1, Lelouch defends Britainnia conquering Japan since their economy has improved. It's a horrible excuse that people still use to defend colonization so her running away realizing her leader believes that is understandable. I really wish that was continued since all throughout the series, Lelouch never values Japan. Him realizing it's his home too would have been nice, along with mirroring how Suzaku has become Britainnian.
Great comment!
I actually agree with the first hot take! (Yours. )I love love lelouch, but I really don't mind someone else taking the wheel as protagonist in sequels or prequels or whatever. No one is taking his MAL throne anytime soon lol. Heck I'd even like a ova of Marianne's rise.
I'm actually surprised ending controversy/discourse has taken so long to take more root recently since it has been compared as the "done right" version of that type of ending more than once ( game of thrones and attack on titan comparisons were so weird to see in the code geass tag on tumblr randomly as someone who watches neither). Geass / code talk ohhh...
Fr, The contact argument is decent because it actually goes a bit into the narrative functionality nice.
+ I totally get the knee jerk irritating nature of the black knights betrayal but zero had been fostering some resentment among them even With something like the first mission on the mountains and the black knights on screen talked about NOT being happy being treated like that even if they won (if im remembering correctly) so if they got info that there was even a more controlling way he MIGHT have been treating them with
Ok and why was nunnally on the list?? CBR
Curious for the next vid 👍
I feel that he should have revealed either his real name to Black Knight leaders or only reveal the geass with a warning to watch if it starts to take over him in some magical curse like way.
I agree if C. Geass gets a continuation Lelouch souldnt be a Core Part of it. His Story was told to the End and it would take away from the Story if hes suddenly back.
But why did you recomment him as a possible Villian?
13:40 wasnt there a Special where Lelouch survived?
So I had two friends who I introduced this show to. I ended up having to drag them kicking and screaming through the entire first season. They hated it...until the final episode. At the end of the final episode of the season, they both looked at me and asked, "Can we watch more?"
Great anecdote, thanks for sharing
code geass is underrated compared to death note or aot.
Speak truth to power
0:36 Code Geass fans invented Char Clones
I love suzaku.
For suzaku's ambition though, i find it so frustrating that it is obvious his ambition would not come to fruition if he were left to his own accord though. His goal NEARLY came true thanks to euphy and the fact that euphy is a nice person. What the hell is he gonna do if euphy isnt a nice person like she turned out? And also the fact that they are in a relationship really undermined the whole thing as well. I know euphy likes japan before she knows about suzaku and there's the fact that she thinks lelouch and nunnally died here so its significant to her so many she would have still tried to get the special administrative of japan thing going on, but the fact that she and suzaku is literally dating then, undermines these parts of her. It just makes people think "oh her boyfriend is a japanese so shes only doing this to do good for the japanese" . Instead of "she is a proper kind person that gave up her title of royalty to the throne for the japanese".
She would have never gotten the chance to sit the throne anyways with plenty of people in front of her for it soi don find that sacrifice of hers that noble. She would have given up her royalty status to be a normal person too if given a chance i believe, with or without suzaku.
Suzaku's ambition is very idealistic to the point that he would likely have died long ago if not for a fact that he go euphy tbh. I love suzaku but dang, this part of him always makes me roll my eyes.
Hot take too: i used to love c.c until she is made canon in the movie to be lelouch's partner. My opinion, but i hate it when the main chara HAS to have a romance partner in the end. Lelouch does NOT need a partner in the end and c.c frankly, can just learn that LOVE is welcomed, but not the most important thing on earth. She has the presence near to a magical mascot in magical animes in my eyes too. So all in all, i have ships, i don mind the harem-y things going on, but lelouch and c.c really do not need to be in a relationship with anyone to make the point of this anime go across.
These people say all of these things but don’t go into why… like come on you have to have some reasons
I came across Code Geass after watching Chainsaw Man and Overlord, which both have better art and characters imo. I liked the other stuff I watched so much that when I found this show it wasn’t as impactful as it might have otherwise been. Also would prefer to watch Eminence in Shadow. However, I couldn’t argue against someone rating Code Geass as one of their favorite all time animes because it has a lot going for it.
cap lelouch the goat
And I definitely agree that Code Geass could do with way less fanservice. It often makes me uncomfortable.
We should do the C.C. witch hunt in real life
I feel like Lelouch could've opened op to the Black Nights after a whole and Suzaku likely would've helped him out of he knew his best friend was leasing a revolution against their mutual enemy and risked himself to save him
I'm glad that there are still people that believe Lelouch died at the end of the original canon. It ONLY works if he actually died. Am I sad about it? As a HUGE Lelouch fan, yes. But it still works best with his death.
(Also Code Geass was one of the few anime that actually had the guts to kill off the main character?? Heyo.)
There's barely anyone left who thinks Lelouch didn't truly died (and stayed dead). the evidence for him being really dead is overwhelming and has been officially confirmed by the writers
On the 2009 DVD C.C. even explicitly confirms he's dead and that she mourns his death. There's no denying that
Only people who completely don't understand the anime still think he could be alive
@@IsilionNELE I still see people around that adamantly say he lived. Like, a lot of them.
@@5Geass Where is that hive of ignorance?
@@IsilionNELE they're...not all concentrated in one place? I don't actively go looking for them. But irl, youtube comment sections(on amvs, too).
There are people that still don't know there's a movie and that it's on an alternate timeline.
Code geass isn't mainstream anymore. It's on my list of recommendations when I meet new people.
@@5Geass Perhaps old comments on youtube. On youtube nowadays, in my personal experience, it's rare for people to not know. And those who do spread the lies, it's always the same few people. Hardcore denial people.
When you see people who don't know the facts, send them to the community information page which has all the interviews, etc from the the people who made the anime and which also shows how and why the nonsense fantasy about the ending is false.
You can find it here www.youtube.com/@IsilionNELE/about
10:30 - the contacts are not a cop out. Lelouch's conflict with Mao informs him of the problem and Lelouch knows his own geass is eye contact dependant and easy to fix. It would be silly if he hadn't had a counter-measure prepared.
It would make sense if Lelouch's counter-measure was something he actually prepared, or else him having to avoid speaking in a certain way, or to be forced to wear the mask more. It's silly that the counter-measure is something C.C. just hands him when he needs it.
@@KatoBeyond The specific point that I was making is that the existence of this solution isn't an issue. Eye contact dependent type Geass is well known to C2 and all the lenses have to do is block off or distort a portion of Lelouch's eye.
The issues is more that it's poorly executed, than it is that the problem is solved easily. It should be solved easily.
It felt like far more of a cop-out when Lelouch had his brain wiped and his geass simply shut off until he remembered.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the theory that Lelouch inherited the code after killing his father is not contradicted by the fact that he continues to maintain his geass?
Charles himself explained that you get a code by exchanging your geass, i.e. you don't have a geass anymore once you get the code.
We see this rule confirmed time and again with ALL the code bearers in the show.
Therefore it is impossible to have both a code and a geass. The idea you can have both was just some myth from a debunked conspiracy theory.
Even the writers have officially confirmed that Lelouch doesn't have a code and is really dead.
And let's not forget that on the 2009 DVD C.C. herself even explicitly confirms that Lelouch is truly dead and that she mourns his death, but that she comforts herself knowing he died with a smile because he achieved his goal of creating a better world.
@@IsilionNELEcharles took the code from V 2 and probably gained immortality after lelouch killed him. That was also the same with c2. So lelouch could have gotten the code when he killed his parents but gained immortality after he got killed. Maybe you need to get killed so u can activate the immortality.
@@Itachidagoat869 No, the anime shows us that dying isn't required to get the code.
Even the writers have explained that. Charles already had the code in Turn 14, a whole episode BEFORE Charles shot himself. We can even see this because Charles wasn't affected by the geass (no red rings around the eyes, no brain reprogramming scene)
There is no such thing as "activating the code", that's an old myth which was part of a completely debunked conspiracy theory.
Lelouch doesn't have a code, that's an objective fact, and was even officially confirmed by the people who made the anime.
@@IsilionNELE I know, Charles got it from v2 when he died. I said I need to get killed to activate it, that’s different. The anime definitely hints that u need to die to activate it. C2 had blood all over her and the nun also but their was no blood in between them. So it was c2 own blood.
@@IsilionNELE Charles also wasn’t affected by the geass before because because lelouch only reached his eye when he commanded him to kill himself
banger vid
I don't think that first one is an unpopular opinion
my hot take i don't like any version of the guren it one trick pony with it arm weapon which is also a big design flaw you take out that arm it can' really do the much also that cockpit looks uncomfortable as hell
I don't agree but that's a good hot take
I wish we got to see more of how Lelouch’s actions effected the 3 superpowers. The show mainly focused on Britannia and some on CF, but even in Akito of the exiled we didn’t really get to see how Lelouch impacted the EU.
I feel like Akito of the exiled was a great way to show this but we focused too much on the characters and not the story.
Would have been cool to see how EU people reacted to the black rebellion and the black knights.
The world of Code Geass has so much potential and I hope it does not get wasted.
It deserves both a prequel and a sequel!
Honestly I think the knightmare frames are underappreciated. They're pretty critical to the plot to the point where it can be argued that code geass is a mecha anime.
The Ending of Code Geass was better than that of most anime, many of which don't even get an ending. This does not mean that Code Geass has an exceptional ending, only better than most anime that tend to have very weak endings compared to other entertainment mediums.
Well I find that anime original series tend to have an ending because they tend to be 20-50 episodes on green light.
Hot Take 1:
Instead of Chess they should have played Age of Empires II DE 1v1 Arabia.
Hot Take 2:
Naunally is a terrible choice for Empress. (I have believe she's just pulling a SeaLab and being lazy)
Hot Take 3:
When Kallen reunites with Lelouch in R2, Lelouch should have said that bit from Seinfeld:
Lelouch: Kallen! Are you an assassin?
Kallen: No I'm you coworker/love interest.
Lelouch: You're an errand girl, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill!
Let me get this straight….. Code Geass is an anime by sunrise with mechs used as military assets that was a game changer when they were first introduced. It has characters with seemingly supernatural mind powers. There’s a rebellion of a small territory seeking independence against a massive global force. We somehow have a red mech and a white mech that keeps running into each other in battle. We also have a young pilot with brown hair that’s around high school age inside that white mech. We have a masked character who’s charismatic and a genius in the battlefield, damn near psychotic and cold and calculating and manipulative… who turns out to actually be a prince that is using the war as a way to get revenge against a royal family. He has a younger sister that he was forced to go into exile with long ago when a parent of theirs died… who’s gentle and kind and ends up at some point being on the other side of the war as him. Said masked character has a psychic connection with a strange woman with long hair. The woman is who introduced the psychic powers to the masked character to begin with that helps them in their military campaign. The first episode kicks everything off with a bunch of stolen mechs.
Wait. This all sounds very familiar.
Wasn't the japanese ending rather promoting the fact that he survived? They didn't outright show his face if I remember correctly, but unless it was the biggest red hering ever it's safe to say he is still alive.
No, you're talking about the fan-made video which was created to troll gullible people.
The original japanese broadcast is still on nyaa and you can see for yourself that the driver never was Lelouch.
He never could have been, the lore very clearly made it literally impossible for lelouch to have a code. It was well established that everyone who gets the code loses the geass and Lelouch never lost his geass. So people who believe he was alive just never understood the anime.
And on the 2009 DVD C.C. even explicitly confirms that he's really dead.
On top of that, the writers have officially confirmed that he's truly dead and never had a code.
They even said they never even considered keeping him alive when they made the anime, they called his death their "sense of ethics", so there's really no ambiguity at all. Anyone who thinks to see "clues" that he's alive is merely seeing his own delusions projected on the anime.
@@IsilionNELE Ah okay. Well thanks for calling me an idiot. I loved the show, it’s one of my favourite, and watched it twice, but that was almost a decade ago. And while I get that the ending is rounding things up almost perfectly I really don’t like it. Same with death note(which I watched several times but never to the end because I new what was to happen). In both instances I really wanted them to truly win and see the results, or go even further. And I admit that when I saw this apparent fan edit I liked that there was room for more. So I wanted to believe it.
But on the other hand I’m not as invested as you since I don’t really read/watched any commentary about the show until today when I made that comment. And to be honest I have no clue what a „code“ even is. It’s too long ago and I watched countless anime since plus everything else I consumed or experienced, that I don’t even remember most details of the show except the things I thought were important. So basically a badass Lelouch playing everybody. I just wanted to see him shit on everybody.
And I think I never thought about him being alive had anything to do with some „code“ in the first place. I just was pissed at the ending and maybe someone showed me that „ending“ which gave a slight chance of him being alive. That show was like the third anime I ever watched so I didn’t care enough about anime to dive deep into it.
And wow. „Ethics“?? Thanks for giving me the show but Jesus what a pussy explanation is that? But ethics and morals are subjective I guess. They probably think Momonga is the bad guy in overlord too.
@@IsilionNELE But thanks for the in depth explanation. It’s very much appreciated that you spent all the time for me. Even if it was to be superior.
@@MoxxoM I didn't call you an idiot.
Lelouch did win, his death was part of his victory because his death was what bought world peace.
On top of that, he himself wanted to die to atone for his sins. The Zero Requiem was already his 3rd attempt to sacrifice himself for redemption.
The main character accomplishing his goals and getting the redemption he desperately craved, that's the biggest win possible.
The reason it was a matter of ethics for the writers is because Lelouch committed a lot of sins: he's responsible for the death of Euphy, Shirley, the japanese genocide, etc. The theme of the anime was sin and atonement, crime and punishment, Code geass referenced that a lot. That's also why there was no other way to end the anime than with his death.
i didn't type it out to be "superior", I did it to help people understand and to undo the damage from that fake troll video which falsely claims he's the driver
@@IsilionNELE Let’s start with your last sentence. I believe you in that, since you truly took the time to explain things and gave multiple sources to look at. But your tone and curtain word choices in your reply gave of that image. Take that as you wish.
And yes, in the confines of that anime and basically an ideal worldview that ending is, like I said, pretty much the best outcome for the end of a series. The fact that he wanted that to happen didn’t go over my head.
But my personal views conflict with that. Those were necessary things to achieve that goal. Thus the ends validate the means. I don’t think I have to explain my world view any further to you other than s1 is 10/10 and s2 is 9/10. Not because the anime fell off, but the slight sting felt not getting my way and Lelouch failing to do my bidding.