"Apple's 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro is Analogous to 16GB on PCs"

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  • čas přidán 10. 11. 2023
  • An Apple employee has recently made a comment on the lack of Memory on MacBook Pro, he said in an interview that "8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro is Analogous to 16GB on PCs". Yet he failed to mention the fact that it is easy for apple to make 16GB MacBook Pros because it costs Apple only 34$ to produce, in this video I show you different results that prove that MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM is not in fact faster than having the same 16GB MacBook Pro, let alone compare it to the power of PCs. With how much Apple charges you for an extra 8GB RAM upgrade, you can buy 32GB RAM sticks on PC and Windows Laptops.
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  • @notfunny3397
    @notfunny3397 Před 8 měsíci +9658

    Because it has a unified memory architecture, it would need more RAM, not less

    • @nlhans1990
      @nlhans1990 Před 8 měsíci +1034

      Normally we called it shared video memory.

    • @Fastwalker27
      @Fastwalker27 Před 8 měsíci +506

      Just like my 500$ Ryzen laptop which comes with 16gb ram

    • @asrafulemon2004
      @asrafulemon2004 Před 8 měsíci +176

      @@nlhans1990 finally I got its tech, what a shitty term they use to say this simple thing 😂😂

    • @maozedowner5915
      @maozedowner5915 Před 8 měsíci

      Unified memory basically means it's their proprietary bullshit designed specifically to rip off apple fans

    • @chiroyce
      @chiroyce Před 8 měsíci +467

      Exactly lmao, the fact that they're selling 8GB RAM isn't the problem, but the BASE CONFIG for a MacBook **Pro** is 8GB of RAM for the entire system (CPU/GPU/whatever else) is HIDEOUS!

  • @mix3k818
    @mix3k818 Před 8 měsíci +18656

    The $200 for each 8GB is insulting

    • @blackdynamite_5470
      @blackdynamite_5470 Před 8 měsíci +695

      $200 for every 4GB

    • @wawaweewa9159
      @wawaweewa9159 Před 8 měsíci +314

      BUT IT JUST WORKS

    • @roychen6404
      @roychen6404 Před 8 měsíci +421

      Even if your 8GB really is equivalent to 16GB it’s still not the reason you’re selling 16gig of RAM for 200bucks Mr.Cook😅
      And your 8gig is not

    • @wolfstorm5394
      @wolfstorm5394 Před 8 měsíci +462

      Meanwhile on PC I can get a 32GB DDR5 kit for less than $100 smh

    • @Jtwizzle
      @Jtwizzle Před 8 měsíci +168

      I added an 8GB stick to a PC recently for $25. Outrageous!

  • @Lexicon-ff6or
    @Lexicon-ff6or Před 7 měsíci +1936

    Apple would piss on their customers and say it's rain, and they'd believe it.

    • @rogerpatterson3422
      @rogerpatterson3422 Před 5 měsíci

      Yes, just like 99,9% of the population when its the government or any other big company pissing on on them.

    • @Burago2k
      @Burago2k Před 5 měsíci

      Thats a great way to put it, they are sheep in a cult throwing money to their masters.

    • @balchutowo10
      @balchutowo10 Před 5 měsíci +91

      They already do xD

    • @hack5770
      @hack5770 Před 4 měsíci +18

      Throw in switch in there too hot garbage

    • @purple6012
      @purple6012 Před 4 měsíci +8

      The 999 stand.

  • @Jawesome1Shazam
    @Jawesome1Shazam Před 6 měsíci +757

    For $400 I put 128 GB of RAM into a PC. And it's DDR5 6000MHz. And I even thought that was too much money.

    • @rummanansari2685
      @rummanansari2685 Před 4 měsíci +54

      And i thought that was too much memory 🥹

    • @fishyc43sar
      @fishyc43sar Před 4 měsíci +25

      The irony, you have too much memory and iSheep spend that much for 1/8th of that memory

    • @beepboop6212
      @beepboop6212 Před 4 měsíci +25

      vat ze fuck are you doing with 128GB of RAM

    • @speed999-uj5kr
      @speed999-uj5kr Před 3 měsíci +9

      ​@Ntm2301factually incorrect

    • @adhamhazwan231
      @adhamhazwan231 Před 3 měsíci +22

      ​@@beepboop6212 Bro is likely running a server

  • @smathew8810
    @smathew8810 Před 8 měsíci +10093

    Honestly their loyal customers are the reason why they’re able to do this.

    • @DanielAnderssson
      @DanielAnderssson Před 8 měsíci +530

      EU should regulate Apple more 😂

    • @Not_interestEd-
      @Not_interestEd- Před 8 měsíci +696

      >make literally everything proprietary
      >charge more for the same thing but slightly better
      >use big fancy words to appeal to the uninformed which really mean nothing
      >hate reparability despite signing a bill in California
      >keep the same cable until its becomes illegal to do so
      >be a "status sign" for rich people
      Apple ladies and gentlemen... A P P L E
      Edit: a month later and I'm still getting comments saying "MACS USE USB-C THOUGH" but like- I know, and I'm talking about phones, not Macs.

    • @paqryk2000
      @paqryk2000 Před 8 měsíci

      they are stuck in their eco and apple is going to milk them

    • @mrletsplayit
      @mrletsplayit Před 8 měsíci +461

      College girls who aren't tech savvy whatsoever still demand a $2000 MacBook pro for them to use exclusively for web browsing and Microsoft Word. That alone sells thousands of macs per year

    • @KevinJDildonik
      @KevinJDildonik Před 8 měsíci +214

      I knew lots of people who owned $1300 iPhones. They were women who volunteered at a cat rescue, and their heaviest computer task was video calling their kids. Definitely need a new $1300 phone every single year for that.

  • @advanceddarkness3
    @advanceddarkness3 Před 8 měsíci +4722

    If 8GB is faster than 16GB imagine how fast 4GB would be!

    • @filipshinigami7263
      @filipshinigami7263 Před 8 měsíci +192

      4gb would be ULTRA FAST 0-100% AND -1000000% efficiency 😂😂😂

    • @hhkk6155
      @hhkk6155 Před 8 měsíci +12

      👍😅💯

    • @peterpan408
      @peterpan408 Před 8 měsíci +94

      It is possible for 8GB to be 'faster' than 16GB. The 'speed' is based on the bandwidth and response time.
      However stuffing 16GB of data into 8GB of RAM causes swapping to the SSD. Which is why an 8GB Mac churns its SSD to death and runs slower.
      Sometimes 16GB has twice the bandwidth, sometimes it's the same (double sized chips).

    • @armamentarmedarm1699
      @armamentarmedarm1699 Před 8 měsíci +26

      I can tell you that under Windows, if you run Microsoft Teams with 4gb, you're not running anything else concurrently.
      If there's anything to Apple's claim here for typical office use cases, I'd guess the threshold for MacOS would be like 3gb.

    • @batmanatkinson1188
      @batmanatkinson1188 Před 8 měsíci

      @@armamentarmedarm1699 With the new Teams, it should not be that big of an issue, as they moved on from Electron to WebView2, based on the Edge's version of Chromium, and they moved non-UI code on a separate process which I think it's made with something else

  • @pismodude2
    @pismodude2 Před 7 měsíci +320

    I had a family member get the 8GB iMac because they trusted the whole "unified memory" marketing. They found it utterly unusable.

    • @Vert_GreenHeart
      @Vert_GreenHeart Před 4 měsíci

      They deserve it...

    • @baoquoc3710
      @baoquoc3710 Před 3 měsíci +34

      The copium is strong on this one

    • @ARCAD3BLOOD
      @ARCAD3BLOOD Před měsícem +8

      If you are prone to believe that unified memory gives you any benefit, you're literally asking to be scammed.
      It does... in consoles, that have ten times as fast vram.

    • @sjn_
      @sjn_ Před 18 dny +6

      The problem is Apple fans are not that tech-savvy and believe whatever they are told to believe.
      I got the 8GB M1 MBP too, with just my coding IDE, the database server and a few browser tabs opened, it's already hitting the bottleneck. Most Apple fans try to justify it saying the same unified bs and other shits like 8GB is enough for casual users. Imagine $1300 being a casual user's shit lol.
      And oh, they have SSD swap. Shorter lifespan for the so called unified SSD that can't be replaced or upgraded.

  • @raffiihzazuhairnawan2091
    @raffiihzazuhairnawan2091 Před 7 měsíci +133

    What I can't understand is that people say to go for $999 MacBook Air for daily tasks. Like dude what? For $999, I wouldn't want it only for daily tasks.

    • @astroidexadam5976
      @astroidexadam5976 Před 4 měsíci +17

      Especially when you can get a Chromebook for under $200 and a standard laptop for less than half of what Apple offers and do better at that.

    • @cfzerooo
      @cfzerooo Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@astroidexadam5976just picked a lenovo laptop for 450, i can do what i need, can upgrade it with ram, ssd and even the screen if i need, for more demanding tasks i have a 1300 dol pc at home, just remote to it and boom, same performance as a 2800 shit macbook without even ethernet on it

    • @yore5
      @yore5 Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@astroidexadam5976yeah but those laptops are built like toys.

    • @heroninja1125
      @heroninja1125 Před 2 měsíci +17

      @@yore5 by "built like toys" do you mean that they are actually designed to be water resistant and don't have a big apple logo on the back?

    • @Swagtrap_CZ
      @Swagtrap_CZ Před 2 měsíci

      @@yore5 and macs (all apple products in general) are designed for stupid people that know nothing about tech

  • @LifeofBoris
    @LifeofBoris Před 8 měsíci +3768

    thats like saying its better to have stomach parasites just because then you lose your appetite

  • @londonisforeverblue1022
    @londonisforeverblue1022 Před 8 měsíci +6893

    apple might just be the most anti-consumer company on the planet

    • @TheSwayzeTrain
      @TheSwayzeTrain Před 8 měsíci +341

      Nvidia would like to know your location

    • @jsutabird3842
      @jsutabird3842 Před 8 měsíci +591

      ​@@TheSwayzeTrainNvidia is not as bad as apple though

    • @kyanhluong
      @kyanhluong Před 8 měsíci +209

      That what happend when one managed cultivated the equivalent of religion, you don't need to innovate much to rip profit from your dumb but usefull fanbase

    • @GamerErman2001
      @GamerErman2001 Před 8 měsíci +246

      @@TheSwayzeTrain At least Nvidia sells you a decent product.

    • @lsp6032
      @lsp6032 Před 8 měsíci +123

      ngreedia is still better than apple though, overpriced macbook pros compared to high end gaming laptop which can run the same load probably faster and still able to be upgraded, oh I also don't care about performance on battery vs plugged as I just plug in even a pd charger when outside if not using the massive brick

  • @kn1ght722
    @kn1ght722 Před 8 měsíci +35

    Next they will tell their users that they can download more RAM with a monthly subscription lmao

    • @CrimsonDaw
      @CrimsonDaw Před 7 měsíci +6

      That might actually happen, its entirely possible for apple to cap its ram on say a 32gb system to 8gb and make u pay monthly to use anything above 8gb, it would require a software based limiter but it could happen.

    • @salsamancer
      @salsamancer Před měsícem +2

      ​@@CrimsonDaw remember when BMW wanted to charge customers a subscription to enable the heated seats they had installed in the cars? It's only a matter of time

  • @btbrotherton
    @btbrotherton Před 6 měsíci +61

    When you invest in Apple, you're not investing in the company. You're investing in the blind devotion of the idiots who keep buying their products.

  • @icethresh
    @icethresh Před 8 měsíci +994

    Everybody talking about 200$ for extra 8GB RAM. But nobody talks about the +460$ for extra 1TB SSD.

    • @juliand3565
      @juliand3565 Před 8 měsíci +34

      In all fairness almost all "high end" laptops have insane pricing for SSD and RAM. Look at the new surface lineup. SLS2 is just as bad. Not an apple exclusive problem

    • @dagamerturtle
      @dagamerturtle Před 8 měsíci +60

      Still crazy the fact that u can get a PCIE Gen 4 1TB SSD for under $50 but most laptop brands charge you way more

    • @bran_rx
      @bran_rx Před 8 měsíci

      @@juliand3565 It's better to buy stock then upgrade aftermarket.

    • @lemonzest8650
      @lemonzest8650 Před 8 měsíci +18

      ​@@dagamerturtle
      yeah of course, they packed it into a small, slim case
      it only makes sense that you pay a premium for portable jet engines

    • @4Core100
      @4Core100 Před 8 měsíci

      @@juliand3565 Thats why you need to buy laptop with access to RAM and SSD. I upgraded RAM in my 2015 Acer laptop for 36€, and 500GB NVME drive for another 40€ and there is slot for 1TB SATA drive. CPU and GPU is still from 2015 but for daily stuff its super sonic...

  • @InvadeNormandy
    @InvadeNormandy Před 8 měsíci +4084

    What kills me is how stingy and price fixing companies are with ram... When ram, and solid state memory is like the ONE THING we don't have particular shortages of nor is it that expensive to produce, it is ENTIRELY a weird aggressive stifled "No you're only allowed to have THIS much" industry brake pedal slamming.

    • @victorgadamba5518
      @victorgadamba5518 Před 8 měsíci +160

      Apple is simply saying: We don't allow a lot of apps, so we save the 8GB more than someone with 16GB that's free to use more apps.

    • @DewtbArenatsiz
      @DewtbArenatsiz Před 8 měsíci +48

      I remember when 16 mb (not GB) of Apple RAM was £495

    • @notmenotme614
      @notmenotme614 Před 8 měsíci

      Apple don’t want to give anything away, no matter how cheap it is to produce.
      It’s the same in the airline industry, they’d rather have empty seats on the aircraft than give you a last minute deal.

    • @irregulargamer1352
      @irregulargamer1352 Před 8 měsíci +301

      because those are the things that can easily future proof devices. we've reached a point where your average processor is enough for most peoples browsing needs but the thing that helps a lot is ram and storage. browsers, programs and games use more ram and storage to keep things snappy and feature rich. so its in apple's best interest to limit ram and storage especially on devices like laptops that most people can't easily upgrade because the sooner they hit that "oh it's slow and needs more storage" the better.
      I have a laptop that seemed to be reaching the end of it's life and running out of space but since I figured I was going to throw it out I decided to look up what ram sticks it used and bought an extra stick and a larger newer ssd. It brought back my laptop from the dead and continues to be my main laptop to use. I just avoided buying a new laptop for a literal fraction of the cost and that money didn't even go to the manufacturer. this scares companies like apple

    • @MrCooper83
      @MrCooper83 Před 8 měsíci

      ⁠@@victorgadamba5518not sure thats true…😉
      Apple checks SW before the developers can upload it to the AppStore. You can also download any apps from literally anywhere by turning off a few things in settings.
      Yes, there are more games for PC. For sure!
      Also there are way more virus, bloatware and spyware available for Windows.
      I used to use Windows between 1993-2009 and I gave up when my genuine copy of Windows XP reported missing and damaged system files after clean install. Literally after the first boot.

  • @Calypso993
    @Calypso993 Před 7 měsíci +261

    16gb is the new 8gb, and i think we are getting close quite fast to 32gb being the recommended standard.

    • @Burago2k
      @Burago2k Před 5 měsíci +30

      Thats absurd, 16gb being the standard for heavy gaming and editing yes, but 32gb is just stupid to say now. Maybe 4k max setting gaming and the heaviest form of editing yes, but 32gb being standard wont be a thing even in years to come.

    • @reubenpx1809
      @reubenpx1809 Před 5 měsíci +4

      bruther u need to learn the meaning of ram

    • @Calypso993
      @Calypso993 Před 5 měsíci

      yes, ram is a scam@@reubenpx1809

    • @destroyer6990
      @destroyer6990 Před 5 měsíci +18

      ​@@Burago2kfor heavy gaming its 32GB either DDR4 or DDR5 but for editing it's either 32GB DDR5 or 64GB DDR4

    • @ishouldbestrange4574
      @ishouldbestrange4574 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@destroyer6990 the performance jump from dual channel ddr4 and dual ddr5 is abysmal no need to pay a premium not yet.

  • @90Eight.6
    @90Eight.6 Před 7 měsíci +22

    my dad sincerly almost got a mac for gaming. had to give him the proper sit down and talk.

  • @generalyido
    @generalyido Před 8 měsíci +2079

    And 16GB on your highest end offering would still be underwhelming...

    • @romancvijanovic7130
      @romancvijanovic7130 Před 8 měsíci +45

      For the majority of users 8 GB is enough as well. Apart from them using their apple device as a glorified safari emulator, what else do they need it for? File sharing in their awesome apple eco system? Streaming or watching videos won't be an issue either with 8 GB.
      And that's that. If you use it only as such 8 GB is fine. For professional use 16G + is a no brainer. But then again. 7k LOL

    • @manannaik1341
      @manannaik1341 Před 8 měsíci

      @@romancvijanovic7130so for that PROFESSIONAL USE you need to spend 100 dollar from Apple exclusive?

    • @Jasonwithadot
      @Jasonwithadot Před 8 měsíci

      @@romancvijanovic7130 8gb is okay, for 1,600 dollars? yeah no

    • @faisalrahman9236
      @faisalrahman9236 Před 8 měsíci +221

      ​@@romancvijanovic7130For the majority of the users, M1 series were more than enough. What do they want M3 for?. Also why Apple release M3 when M1 series is more than enough 😂.

    • @SaHaRaSquad
      @SaHaRaSquad Před 8 měsíci

      @@romancvijanovic7130 I used both 8GB and 16GB, and no, 8GB is not enough for anyone who uses more than 10% of the M1's performance, let alone M3.

  • @SJH_21
    @SJH_21 Před 8 měsíci +1076

    No one can gaslight their customers like Apple does

    • @Fraggr92
      @Fraggr92 Před 8 měsíci +64

      Sunk cost fallacy at it's finest. They bought it and it was exorbitantly fucking expensive, so it HAS to be good right? Surely the manufacturer wouldn't LIE to them, otherwise why did they spend all of this money buying this laptop? That would have to mean that they got duped, and that could never happpen to them. They're too smart for that, surely.

    • @Tophatguy_vr
      @Tophatguy_vr Před 8 měsíci

      Lo

    • @TheDeadMeme27
      @TheDeadMeme27 Před 8 měsíci

      The brainlets who still buy apple products are part of the problem

    • @wrathofainz
      @wrathofainz Před 8 měsíci +1

      *Like apple does

    • @imstupidbut
      @imstupidbut Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@Fraggr92you need a sense of reality, apple products are the best value on the market. my 8+ year old macbook air outperforms most gaming laptops

  • @amogid
    @amogid Před 5 měsíci +60

    4GB on linux is analogous to 8GB on macbooks.

    • @定义
      @定义 Před 3 měsíci +8

      Yeah, because Linux has no bloat, like mac or windows does. But still, 16 GB of ram is necessary.

    • @crazy_wwww
      @crazy_wwww Před 11 dny +1

      nixos pfp :3

  • @saltysalt7339
    @saltysalt7339 Před 6 měsíci +41

    It's also a feature that the second you spill any kind of liquid on it, the fan directly splashes it onto the main powerrail and shorts it to the cpu. Spares you the repair and you can get a brand new one

  • @laszlozsurka8991
    @laszlozsurka8991 Před 8 měsíci +2507

    I remember when I upgraded from 8 GB to 12 GB... I'd never wanna go back to 8 GB

    • @andricode
      @andricode Před 8 měsíci +65

      I literally did that yesterday lol
      Same dude, I'm never going back to 8 GB

    • @laszlozsurka8991
      @laszlozsurka8991 Před 8 měsíci +186

      @@andricode Yep. 12 GB should be the minimum for PCs nowadays. Leave 8 GB for Phones.

    • @elitepauper7400
      @elitepauper7400 Před 8 měsíci +69

      I have 2x 32gb ddr5 😅

    • @ScoreCrow
      @ScoreCrow Před 8 měsíci +322

      ​@@elitepauper7400no one asked 😅

    • @elitepauper7400
      @elitepauper7400 Před 8 měsíci +51

      @@ScoreCrow doesn't change a thing. Its 2023 bruh 8gb been out of fashion for ages

  • @naufalrifki3130
    @naufalrifki3130 Před 8 měsíci +946

    Charging people $200 for 8GB RAM is insane. For that kind of money, you can get 32GB DDR5 RAM and still have some money left!!

    • @amarson2322
      @amarson2322 Před 8 měsíci +80

      lets say 150 dollars decent 32 GB DDR5 and for rest of 50 dollars u can get nice case fans or nice cpu cooler

    • @surajkumarsamal2726
      @surajkumarsamal2726 Před 8 měsíci +59

      I was curious about this , went to Amazon and found many decent 64!!!gb(32x2) kit for less than the 200$ price 😮😮

    • @MrRoko91
      @MrRoko91 Před 8 měsíci +23

      I bought 32 GB kit DDR5 5600 back in June for $115.

    • @remulsive9558
      @remulsive9558 Před 8 měsíci +9

      8GB of Apple ram, much more effective.

    • @Silent.killer_007
      @Silent.killer_007 Před 8 měsíci

      @@remulsive9558 that's what they want you to believe.

  • @meyes1098
    @meyes1098 Před 4 měsíci +46

    Apart from the fact that 8gb of "unified memory" (biggest apple scam this season) is NOT in fact equivalent to 16gb of memory on a PC, that 8gb of ram is priced HIGHER than 32gb of ddr5 for a regular PC...

    • @macedonianlad
      @macedonianlad Před 4 měsíci +1

      u can get like 64gb for the price of 8gb macbook ram

    • @nayeemtby
      @nayeemtby Před 3 měsíci +3

      And it's shared with the GPU because it's "Unified memory"

    • @ZeldagigafanMatthew
      @ZeldagigafanMatthew Před 2 měsíci

      @@macedonianlad Correction, for the "upgrade fee" to 16, you can get a 64 gig kit.
      Also, it is worth mentioning that while Apple is not unique in overcharging for RAM and storage upgrades, most other brands that people are comfortable recommending don't lock you out of post-purchase upgrades or repairs on this stuff. Damn near everyone is talking about how these machines can last sooooooo much longer compared to the competition, but the one thing that would help make sure they can achieve that is always ignored.

    • @macedonianlad
      @macedonianlad Před 2 měsíci

      @@ZeldagigafanMatthew the correction is true

  • @joemama5806
    @joemama5806 Před 7 měsíci +17

    I think it would've been more interesting to compare the macbook 8gb to a different brand laptop with 16gb RAM. It probably performs even better than the 16gb macbook pro lol

  • @blackdynamite_5470
    @blackdynamite_5470 Před 8 měsíci +2013

    Apple makes groundbreaking technology by adding 8GB RAM to Mac Pro.
    The world will never be the same again...

    • @rnegoro1
      @rnegoro1 Před 8 měsíci +42

      They just added usb c to iphones.

    • @mix3k818
      @mix3k818 Před 8 měsíci +127

      @@rnegoro1 And they likely never would have had it not been for the EU

    • @HammadAkhter
      @HammadAkhter Před 8 měsíci +3

      Well M1 is a good addition

    • @dijital4801
      @dijital4801 Před 8 měsíci +17

      @@rnegoro1 It nice not USB-C isn't exactly revolutionary technology, plus you can't even get the improved speeds without buying a pro model

    • @APopov
      @APopov Před 8 měsíci +9

      Next year they will announce MBP with 4 GB of RAM! Because meMOrY cOmPReSHHen.

  • @kseries1981
    @kseries1981 Před 8 měsíci +218

    Their RAM is about as innovative as their USB C charging cables.

    • @armamentarmedarm1699
      @armamentarmedarm1699 Před 8 měsíci +2

      This is just the same farts everyone's been huffing since the original iMac.

    • @nanakomatsu7425
      @nanakomatsu7425 Před 8 měsíci +1

      XD What about their peak of 60fps? XD

    • @DewtbArenatsiz
      @DewtbArenatsiz Před 8 měsíci +2

      Didn't apple invent RAM? or was it the wheel

  • @raeyner
    @raeyner Před 6 měsíci +3

    The oxygen concentrator sound fading in took my lungs away 💀

  • @WowSirSmallFan
    @WowSirSmallFan Před 14 dny +5

    "Unified memory" only makes it worse, as the 8G is shared between the CPU and GPU

  • @otomackena7610
    @otomackena7610 Před 8 měsíci +3410

    As an Apple stockholder and an Android and PC user i really appreciate what Apple is doing

    • @gnuzwo1lk909
      @gnuzwo1lk909 Před 8 měsíci +194

      bruh

    • @robert-jason-king
      @robert-jason-king Před 8 měsíci +160

      We're in the same boat brother. Felt the sting when China banned iPhones for government employees -- announced conveniently around the last earnings report. Also been on the Tesla 'pump and dump' a few times, wouldn't buy one of those for myself either.

    • @sawyiier4870
      @sawyiier4870 Před 8 měsíci +12

      Yh they simply says fu%k o%f and go buy from another company😂😂

    • @BilionaireBoysSwag
      @BilionaireBoysSwag Před 8 měsíci +30

      This isnt good. If Apple gets away with it what do you think Windows and Android will do? Windows already had the colossal failure of Windows 8 tho maybe theyve learned their lesson.

    • @alexanderchenf1
      @alexanderchenf1 Před 8 měsíci

      only losers invest in $APPL

  • @Kairosdex
    @Kairosdex Před 8 měsíci +1065

    They got away with the storage/ram upgrades for years. People go into an Apple shop and have no issues paying a premium for an extra 8GB of ram or 1TB storage. The fact Apple still has a 64GB iPad is ridiculous.

    • @jernaugurgeh451
      @jernaugurgeh451 Před 8 měsíci +68

      My Photos library wouldn’t even fit on a 64Gb iPad

    • @bran_rx
      @bran_rx Před 8 měsíci +68

      istg bro... it's the sheep's fault, 64GB iPad.. I ain't buying that.

    • @superoakwood5513
      @superoakwood5513 Před 8 měsíci +21

      Also 64gb Iphones oooof

    • @alexturnbackthearmy1907
      @alexturnbackthearmy1907 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@superoakwood5513 So they are literally using few dollars chip, that is present in every cheap USB stick? Wow.

    • @alphacompton
      @alphacompton Před 8 měsíci +29

      You used to be able to upgrade it yourself though. Since Apple started making their own chips in a unified solution you can't upgrade the storage or ram. You need to buy a whole new system making the argument about e-waste even worse.

  • @interstellarsnow
    @interstellarsnow Před 6 měsíci +7

    it’s good so many youtubers are calling them out, they might (low chance) actually do something about it

  • @titusstanding5993
    @titusstanding5993 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The funny thing about soldered memory is it probably costs them around a dollar or less in materials and a negligible amount of labor as the chips are being added onto the boards directly

  • @sonicboy678
    @sonicboy678 Před 8 měsíci +289

    I managed to find a 64 GB DDR5 kit for under $300. Apple has no excuse.

    • @batmanatkinson1188
      @batmanatkinson1188 Před 8 měsíci +9

      Well, good luck with Apple’s soldered RAM (since the Intel days)

    • @sonicboy678
      @sonicboy678 Před 8 měsíci +52

      @@batmanatkinson1188 Not really the point I was going for, but that's another issue.

    • @chuckyfox9284
      @chuckyfox9284 Před 8 měsíci +18

      I think Apple has a perfect excuse of „you don’t have another option so pay up or get fucked“

    • @esdeath7674
      @esdeath7674 Před 8 měsíci +4

      Do people commenting here actually have a MacBook to come and judge whether what Apple is saying is true or not? I have a MacBook and quite frankly, it runs pretty well. Even after all these years. I bought mine 7 years ago and it’s still faster than any of the 3 laptops I bought in the past. Sure, it’s not a gaming rig, but it’s great for work and programming.

    • @benjaminoechsli1941
      @benjaminoechsli1941 Před 8 měsíci +31

      ​@@esdeath7674We don't need to, we have third-party reviews and benchmarks to test those claims for us. And as shown in this video, 8 GB is enough to get by, but you're leaving a ridiculous amount of performance on the table doing it.

  • @r.d.x7403
    @r.d.x7403 Před 8 měsíci +309

    "Less is more. Probably more than you deserve." -Apple

    • @black_dragon274
      @black_dragon274 Před 8 měsíci +5

      " Fxck Apple! " - We, the people!

    • @DrAnimePhD
      @DrAnimePhD Před 8 měsíci +6

      Can’t wait for the day Tim Crook finally retires

    • @user-ch6zy8hg2q
      @user-ch6zy8hg2q Před 8 měsíci +3

      ​@@DrAnimePhDor some object enters his cranium at high speed

    • @OsirisMawn
      @OsirisMawn Před 8 měsíci +3

      Underated right here

  • @theactionman007
    @theactionman007 Před 6 měsíci

    Mad props to Max Tech for actually ponying up for two of those MacBooks.

  • @gamingwiththeprimarch2698

    The narration here is actually soothing. Best narrator for a bedtime story.

  • @G0RSHK0V
    @G0RSHK0V Před 8 měsíci +214

    "Efficient use of memory"
    Such an interesting way to say "we are using the swap file"

    • @juno1597
      @juno1597 Před 8 měsíci

      Or if you had a single good faith bone in your body you would say " We are better at swap file than the competition. "

    • @DewtbArenatsiz
      @DewtbArenatsiz Před 8 měsíci +20

      SSD fails. Think different

    • @octavelapize6657
      @octavelapize6657 Před 8 měsíci

      what is swap file ?

    • @G0RSHK0V
      @G0RSHK0V Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@octavelapize6657 The file on your ssd/hdd where computer stores the data wich can't fit on your ram.
      All systems use it, but only apple tells customers that's better than ram.

    • @DewtbArenatsiz
      @DewtbArenatsiz Před 8 měsíci +25

      @@octavelapize6657 using the hard drive as memory

  • @Mitrashi
    @Mitrashi Před 8 měsíci +268

    Remember, this is the company that sold a 999$ monitor stand.

    • @davidnofsinger3427
      @davidnofsinger3427 Před 8 měsíci +27

      Yep...monitor not included.

    • @rrsharizam
      @rrsharizam Před 8 měsíci +35

      and $700 Apple Wheels

    • @herrbrudi5649
      @herrbrudi5649 Před 8 měsíci +14

      Yeah man, my whole PC cost me about 800 including Keyboard, mouse, Monitor etc. and 16GB RAM and it's still good enough to play most games on high settings, Apple is just ridiculous

    • @PlayJewel
      @PlayJewel Před 8 měsíci +1

      Also those wheels 😆

    • @NimbleBard48
      @NimbleBard48 Před 8 měsíci +6

      My monitor is not even half as expensive as that one stand... It's fucking ridiculous xD
      Yeah, loved the crowd reaction there.

  • @Nathan-qp9uv
    @Nathan-qp9uv Před 8 měsíci +2

    I'm only an amateur at pc building/troubleshooting so please correct me if I'm wrong but when the only difference is one part (ram in this case) and your seeing a % performance enhancement that huge across several tests when upgrading it doesn't that suggest an unbalanced build that's being throttled significantly by that one part?

    • @obj_obj
      @obj_obj Před 7 měsíci

      Yes, the 8GB macbook is likely using swap (using the SSD as ram, it's as slow as it sounds)

  • @alxzeu
    @alxzeu Před 6 měsíci +1

    Question: I just purchased 32gb 3200mhz(dual channel) ram from amazon and is said to arrive soon, on things like after effects, will it 'work' faster from my old 16gb 2666mhz(single channel)?

    • @onixblack9938
      @onixblack9938 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes, and a lot faster, also take in count the cpu that is most important to work

  • @khanikorshibam9874
    @khanikorshibam9874 Před 8 měsíci +841

    Apple never lets us down with their statements lol

    • @iknowurip8151
      @iknowurip8151 Před 8 měsíci +53

      never fails to fail us

    • @drishalballaney6590
      @drishalballaney6590 Před 8 měsíci +12

      Never gonna run around and desert us

    • @Tritonraaf
      @Tritonraaf Před 8 měsíci +15

      And apple product are so great and that’s why I bye a $7000 MacBook instead of a much better $1500 laptop so that’s why I love apple products so much because
      It has 8gigs of SMARTER ram that’s so good its better than 16gigs of fast ram 😉
      ( apple is sh#t and don’t bye it at all get a Samsung or a actual laptop🤬)

    • @DustyCruz
      @DustyCruz Před 8 měsíci +17

      Apple attempts to distort reality with their marketing.
      Famously known as the Reality Distortion Field.

    • @DifficultyYT
      @DifficultyYT Před 8 měsíci +5

      They use any marketing term to shield their scummy practices Lol

  • @floppa9415
    @floppa9415 Před 8 měsíci +724

    Pretty funny how a modern day 1000$+ "Pro" Laptop has as much memory as a 2017 Android phone.

    • @Yugarash1
      @Yugarash1 Před 8 měsíci +49

      I have more RAM in my phone than my PC... Apple should take notes.

    • @hhkk6155
      @hhkk6155 Před 8 měsíci +14

      💯 even cheap phones($200) have 8gb of ram 😂 and 256gb SSD - same as 1500$ apple laptop 😂

    • @kostasdockus9064
      @kostasdockus9064 Před 8 měsíci +12

      My 2021 S21 Ultra has 12GB ram 😂

    • @TheBcoolGuy
      @TheBcoolGuy Před 8 měsíci +15

      I mean, phone specs are ridiculous nowadays, maybe because mobile devs are too lazy to optimise their weird apps, but I agree. Apple continues with their savage mysticism to this day.

    • @hhkk6155
      @hhkk6155 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@TheBcoolGuy apple software is also bloated 😔 gone are the days when MacOS + apps run perfectly on 0.5-1 Gb of ram

  • @davids7260
    @davids7260 Před 7 měsíci +2

    if steve jobs was still around he would fire every single employee at apple

  • @_bustion_1928
    @_bustion_1928 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Literally 1983, 8 gb of RAM is better than 16 gb. Less RAM = better. War is peace.

  • @jmtradbr
    @jmtradbr Před 8 měsíci +353

    They made the 8gb of ram to kill your SSD faster so you can buy the next model as fast as possible. 🍎

    • @IFMstudio
      @IFMstudio Před 8 měsíci +28

      Mother nature would be proud of them 😅

    • @Helios.vfx.
      @Helios.vfx. Před 8 měsíci +15

      And then they do claim to be green

    • @maximwinter7998
      @maximwinter7998 Před 8 měsíci

      s fast of possible ? hell yeah our costumer have to buy a new device because of the Ram after 20+ years or so what muhaha we are evil geniuses haha 😂

    • @panzer3279
      @panzer3279 Před 8 měsíci +8

      Finally someone pointed out the correct reason.

    • @hhkk6155
      @hhkk6155 Před 8 měsíci +4

      Those SSD in MacBooks are also tiny - 256-512 gb 😮😮😮 and they are being toasted by swapping sometimes in a year 😂

  • @Turborider
    @Turborider Před 8 měsíci +1142

    I outright refuse to spend a single dime on products like these.

    • @reevus2558
      @reevus2558 Před 8 měsíci +90

      Worst part is that their consumer don't wanna face the truth and are feeling superior just cause they bought a pricy product thus making Apple to create more pricey product for their sheep , these kind of people would by air for atleast 50USD just cause its pricey .

    • @bipolarminddroppings
      @bipolarminddroppings Před 8 měsíci +23

      I have never and will never buy an Apple product so long as they make them sealed units that you can't upgrade yourself or choose what OS to run etc.

    • @bipolarminddroppings
      @bipolarminddroppings Před 8 měsíci

      @@reevus2558 a friend of mine paid something like $4000 for a Mac, I was upgrading my PC at the time, my upgrades gave me 50% higher benchmark scores than his Mac. I wonder if you can guess how much I paid? Half? Quarter? nope. I paid $400 total for a new mobo, CPU and ram which I fit into the case I bought 15 years ago and used the GPU I bought 3 years ago. Convenient, eh?

    • @biigsmokee
      @biigsmokee Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@bipolarminddroppingsyeah keep using your Android that crashes when you go to make a phone call half the time lol

    • @VincentSteinerOfficial
      @VincentSteinerOfficial Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@bipolarminddroppings If you're into coding, hardware assemblies etc., then apple is not the brand for you. Linux etc. suits you better

  • @asmitkumar12
    @asmitkumar12 Před 7 měsíci +6

    How calm the voice is

  • @yottadrive
    @yottadrive Před 8 měsíci

    Lol, it is even funnier with this background song. What is the name of it?

  • @IHasChins
    @IHasChins Před 8 měsíci +873

    Holy smokes 8gb ram is not even enough for phones these days 😭

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat Před 8 měsíci +103

      For iPhones it is. But yeah 8gb on any expensive laptop is complete bs.

    • @commentarysheep
      @commentarysheep Před 8 měsíci +30

      I mean, I have a 13 mini and it did not chug so far with only 4 GB…
      Very impressive considering 4 GB is nothing these days.

    • @project77977
      @project77977 Před 8 měsíci +28

      overkill for phones you mean

    • @fahimalvi9521
      @fahimalvi9521 Před 8 měsíci +30

      @@project77977not really. I got a One Plus 9 with 8 gb ram and even it lags due to multiple apps running or hardcore emulation

    • @asepwardana7414
      @asepwardana7414 Před 8 měsíci +52

      Not enough for phones?
      dude must be from 2030 🤣

  • @subrezon
    @subrezon Před 8 měsíci +1222

    Also, don't let Apple marking up RAM to an insane degree distract you from other manufacturers starting to do it too. Dell, Lenovo, HP and all the others aren't as greedy yet, but if left unchecked - they will be.

    • @carltaylor4942
      @carltaylor4942 Před 8 měsíci +71

      Dell, Lenovo and HP have always been known rip-offs. Why buy them? I bought Linux computers here is Spain. Made by a company called Vant. The computer, with free mechanical keyboard, cost slightly more than the RAM for an Apple computer. Just over €400. I run Linux Mint _and_ Ubuntu Studio on it. I wanted 3 hard drives, so I installed 3 hard drives. Try that with an Apple!

    • @6581punk
      @6581punk Před 8 měsíci +27

      If it's soldered onto the board they'll do it. So never built a laptop or computer without upgradable RAM and storage.

    • @Brian-ch4eu
      @Brian-ch4eu Před 8 měsíci +16

      Lenovo (for the legion slim 5) allows you to upgrade your ram in the ‘Build Your PC’ option for, I believe, $40 (8GB -> 16GB). Also, I’ve done some research and have found that Lenovo laptop to be quite reliable. I haven’t heard many bad things about Lenovo in general, but I could have had a fairly limited search.

    • @FlabbyTabby
      @FlabbyTabby Před 8 měsíci +30

      They already do, except they have standard RAM and SSD connectors, so we can easily buy 3rd party RAM and SSDs for more affordable prices to upgrade it.

    • @oggilein1
      @oggilein1 Před 8 měsíci +8

      many ultrabooks (laptops made to be portable first with every other feature suffering as a result) already have either half soldered half socketed or fully soldered RAM so unfortunately its already started

  • @thatsalot3577
    @thatsalot3577 Před 7 měsíci

    But mr cook the ml model I download said it needs 48 gigs to run 👉👈🥺
    Let me try it with my 8 GB mac book air as it's equivalent to that on PC for $ 200, right ?

  • @x4700
    @x4700 Před 8 měsíci +16

    Whenever a computer company claims x = 2x, they are lying through their teeth.

  • @DavidAlsh
    @DavidAlsh Před 8 měsíci +971

    I paid $200 for 48gb DDR5 for my PC. You can also enable memory compression on Windows and Linux if you wanna trade some CPU for extra RAM space.

    • @spugelo359
      @spugelo359 Před 8 měsíci +19

      Does that work dynamically, or is the compression on at all times? If it were to work in a way it doesn't waste your CPU when extra memory isn't required, think that would be a nice feature to be enabled by default. Unless that has some other downsides besides that, that are significant enough to take into consideration.

    • @auseawesome9112
      @auseawesome9112 Před 8 měsíci +43

      I payed around £130 for 64GB DDR5 (2 x 32GB). When I found some on sale. Work amazingly for everything and with how cheap for performance the 13th gen i5s are I see no reason not to get it over a macbook. Something like a Framework can get you nearly identical CPU and Ram performance for a fraction of the price. If you need a GPU you could just get an external 40 series for wayyy cheaper

    • @carltaylor4942
      @carltaylor4942 Před 8 měsíci +24

      My main computer is a Linux box with 16 Gb RAM, running Linux Mint _and_ Ubuntu Studio. I could update to 32 Gb but don't see why as it _rarely_ uses more than about 6Gb. Also there is 8 Gb of swap memory, of which it currently uses 0%. Whole thing cost about €400. What would you get from Crapple for that price? 16 Gb of RAM?

    • @auseawesome9112
      @auseawesome9112 Před 8 měsíci +23

      @@carltaylor4942 Don't be so generous to apple. You'd probably get just a computer shell without any internals for that price. They'd sell it to you as a super-lightweight titanium chassis that is sleek and aerodynamic and just not tell you it's an added 2000 pounds for a CPU

    • @lilpain1997
      @lilpain1997 Před 8 měsíci +27

      ​@@auseawesome9112Don't be too generous to Apple. They sold monitor stands for like 1000 or some shit and wheels for 700... For 400 you would probably get cardboard

  • @Walhor
    @Walhor Před 8 měsíci +108

    when phones have more ram than a high-end macbook. you know something aint right

  • @arozendojr
    @arozendojr Před 3 měsíci

    Do you know how you can clear swap without turning off your MacBook? On Linux it was swapoff -a ; swapon -a

  • @truthseekingtroll3575
    @truthseekingtroll3575 Před 2 měsíci +2

    It blows my mind that in the year 2024 there are companies releasing laptops with 8gb of Ram, My Dell XPS that i purchased in 2019 comes with 32gb of Ram lol.

  • @Dzeividz
    @Dzeividz Před 8 měsíci +514

    Sad thing is that if Apple even goes down to 4 GB there are still enough idiots that will buy their products no matter what.

    • @PyguK
      @PyguK Před 8 měsíci +110

      they will call it 'minimalistic' or 'green footprint' device to feel better about the fact that they got scammed while drinking an iced matcha latte made with oat milk for 10$

    • @QuestingKnightIV
      @QuestingKnightIV Před 8 měsíci +29

      ​@@PyguKjesus christ, the vegan milk industry is horrifying

    • @ig00g1e
      @ig00g1e Před 8 měsíci +8

      And they will vote for Biden.

    • @tomaskling2429
      @tomaskling2429 Před 8 měsíci

      Idiots will be idiots.

    • @joedoe4595
      @joedoe4595 Před 8 měsíci +3

      I think there was a paperweight model several years back that is now discontinued. Pretty sure it was 4 GB of ram. Taking it for a test spin at the store, it was impossibly fucking slow. 8GB might as well be the new 4 GB several years later, though.

  • @themannyzaur
    @themannyzaur Před 8 měsíci +141

    You know it's bad when even Apple Explained calls this behaviour a scam

    • @sterlingroberts6240
      @sterlingroberts6240 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Bruh.

    • @AaronFigFront
      @AaronFigFront Před 8 měsíci

      Other components will die before the SSD…

    • @fidelisitor8953
      @fidelisitor8953 Před 8 měsíci +5

      Or max tech (huge Apple fanboy)

    • @sterlingroberts6240
      @sterlingroberts6240 Před 8 měsíci

      @@fidelisitor8953 Max Tech does that up and down, back and forth clickbait stuff for the views. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they also do it to help increase volatility of Apple’s stock prices.

    • @ryanvacation7319
      @ryanvacation7319 Před 8 měsíci

      @@AaronFigFrontbattery will go first and it’s a pain in the butt to replace

  • @satorukuroshiro
    @satorukuroshiro Před 6 měsíci +1

    More and more I see a pattern with products that charge upwards of 10x more than others in the same category. It's usually a grift to give you the illusion of luxury quality, but then you look at the guts of it and find subpar materials and features.

  • @bardofhighrenown
    @bardofhighrenown Před 5 měsíci +2

    The crazy part is I was actually considering buying an apple computer for the first time ever after the m2 reviews came out. But Apple's refusal to sell ram/storage at a reasonable price and no way to upgrade killed any chance of me buying it.

  • @TheUltimateBlooper
    @TheUltimateBlooper Před 8 měsíci +980

    Back in 2013 I bought a laptop with 24GB RAM, which I later upgraded to 32GB - because why not - it was good for gaming, video, 3D and photo editing work that I do.
    I'm glad to see that 10 years later the technology is so advanced now that 8GB is all you need in a "premium" product, aimed at the same tasks 🤣

    • @armamentarmedarm1699
      @armamentarmedarm1699 Před 8 měsíci +21

      For everything other than gaming and video, that machine ought to still be pretty good.

    • @ErmaPula
      @ErmaPula Před 8 měsíci +109

      "Mac is not designed for gaming☝️🤓"

    • @Papinak2
      @Papinak2 Před 8 měsíci +33

      ​@@armamentarmedarm1699 not really, 2D graphics are pretty demanding aswell

    • @kingghidorah8106
      @kingghidorah8106 Před 8 měsíci +55

      ​@@ErmaPulayou can play games on Mac, but don't come crying when the overheating is frying your computer parts

    • @jnarical
      @jnarical Před 8 měsíci

      @@kingghidorah8106you can play games on Mac, but better to use chair

  • @brandonspencer0093
    @brandonspencer0093 Před 8 měsíci +319

    Noticed he said "Probably!" LOL, This is classic. I'm sure this was stated because Apple knows 8GB isn't enough. Forcing people to buy another device in a few years.

    • @APopov
      @APopov Před 8 měsíci +20

      Because all those words are pure marketing bullshit.

    • @TheUltraMinebox
      @TheUltraMinebox Před 8 měsíci +13

      ​@@APopovsame with nvidia. 8gb vram wont cut it, their neural compression bs served as to justify such low amount. Both companies are equally as bad

    • @an2thea514
      @an2thea514 Před 8 měsíci +17

      ​@@TheUltraMinebox nVidia isn't nearly as bad.

    • @Dell-ol6hb
      @Dell-ol6hb Před 8 měsíci +6

      @@an2thea514 they're quickly approaching Apple levels of nonsense

    • @faheemabbas3965
      @faheemabbas3965 Před 8 měsíci

      It’s not that Apple can’t allow for extra RAM for cheap.
      It’s because they don’t want to.
      Why do you think Apple is apparently the “highest-valued” tech company in the world despite offering products with inferior specs and performance to the competition?
      APPLE IS FOOLING EVERYONE

  • @jacktayloor
    @jacktayloor Před 8 měsíci

    Really great ad apple! Thank you so much!

  • @nitroxylictv
    @nitroxylictv Před 6 měsíci

    my 5 year old oneplus that i am using right now has 8gb of ram, why does any pc or laptop on the market today have less than 32gb of ram?

  • @czaczaczar
    @czaczaczar Před 8 měsíci +89

    Apple saying 8GB is better than 16GB is like Ubisoft saying 24 FPS is better than 60 FPS.

    • @ordinaryhuman5645
      @ordinaryhuman5645 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Did people stop pretending it was more cinematic when consoles started to be capable of 1080p at 60 FPS? I kind of tuned out that topic a decade ago.

    • @dmer-zy3rb
      @dmer-zy3rb Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@ordinaryhuman5645 consoles have been capable of 60 fps since the 80s lol

    • @astronotics531
      @astronotics531 Před 8 měsíci

      Ubisoft devs*. They don’t speak in the behalf of Ubisoft.

    • @scottpatrickdavis
      @scottpatrickdavis Před 8 měsíci +2

      this is not the same thing. FPS is a performance measurement and ram is hardware. you can use ram really inefficiently and tank your performance or you can use it really efficiently and outclass inefficient hardware.

    • @Scroogs
      @Scroogs Před 8 měsíci

      @dmer-zy3rb Not at 1080p lol

  • @nlhans1990
    @nlhans1990 Před 8 měsíci +86

    Laughs in 64GB of RAM in 7 year old Thinkpad.

    • @jacobglass2951
      @jacobglass2951 Před 8 měsíci +10

      What will 64GB Ram give you if you have maybe 15-20% CPU power of this MacBook 😅

    • @gr1mkeks
      @gr1mkeks Před 8 měsíci

      I doubt a 7 year old laptop with 64gb ram was sold with a weak cpu when it was new @@jacobglass2951

    • @sterlingroberts6240
      @sterlingroberts6240 Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@jacobglass2951it will give you more parasitic battery drain.

    • @DizzyAndHigh
      @DizzyAndHigh Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@sterlingroberts6240 Battery drain is determined by the ram's clockspeed and not capacity. Some framework users have tested this.

    • @dijital4801
      @dijital4801 Před 8 měsíci +29

      @@jacobglass2951 Obviously a 7 year old thinkpad will be slower, but it shows that if a 7 year old laptop can do it, surely apple's new "pro" models should come with at least 32gb of ram, if not 64.

  • @thisaintart
    @thisaintart Před 6 měsíci

    To be fair that stock M1 Mac mini with 8gb ram and dual nands was a beast for the money. Like $400? Thing was running circles around everything when it dropped.

  • @adambickford8720
    @adambickford8720 Před 6 měsíci +7

    They charge $700 for *wheels* and $1000 for a stand... and you're questioning if the ram is a rip-off?
    Good lord.

  • @giffy7962
    @giffy7962 Před 8 měsíci +907

    Makes me want to buy more Apple stock. Making people pay 500% markup on their ram sounds like a good business model to me lmao

    • @CaliMunz
      @CaliMunz Před 8 měsíci +101

      Blame the customers for buying this crap, the real sad part is it shows other companies how low they can stoop.

    • @Allustar
      @Allustar Před 8 měsíci

      Might as well take advantage of the morons paying out their ass for a computer that runs worse than a PC.

    • @yamadawaver9317
      @yamadawaver9317 Před 8 měsíci +10

      You can only climb higher before you either fall down or uncontrollably lost in the vast space. Both seem miserable to me

    • @C4rnif3X
      @C4rnif3X Před 8 měsíci

      For real

    • @theredscourge
      @theredscourge Před 8 měsíci

      It is, until suddenly it isn't.

  • @767corp
    @767corp Před 8 měsíci +57

    Don't forget you will be more efficient with MacBook cuz it's designed aerodynamically so when you walk and carry it in your arm you actually have 0.00001 % more efficient air resistance which will make your walking speed faster and thus over a spawn of your lifetime of being an Apple customer you will save 30-45 seconds of your life !

    • @jcgo130
      @jcgo130 Před 8 měsíci +8

      🤣🤣😂

    • @coprilettodelnapoli5466
      @coprilettodelnapoli5466 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Lmao

    • @Quantris
      @Quantris Před 8 měsíci +4

      shhhhh
      if Tim Cook realizes we've been getting this benefit for free he's going to start charging for it so keep it quiet please

    • @byakka
      @byakka Před 8 měsíci

      You’re trying to be funny but these MBPs and the M2 air are the best physical designs of any laptop I’ve handled.

    • @pipoper101
      @pipoper101 Před 8 měsíci

      awful keyboards though
      ill take my thinkpad t480s, as old as it is, over any macbook there is simply for that kb@@byakka

  • @golddiggerdave
    @golddiggerdave Před 7 měsíci

    My 2011 MBA is still working, on its 3 battery replacement.

  • @enagonius
    @enagonius Před 15 dny +1

    "People need to look beyond the specifications and actually go and understand how brand value, marketing, peer pressure and elitism is being used."
    There. Fixed it for you.

  • @ipeterov
    @ipeterov Před 8 měsíci +347

    For a developer, it's actually the other way around when comparing to a PC running Linux. Since MacOS doesn't support running Docker containers natively, we have to run a virtual machine and allocate like 2GB just for that.
    So, 8GB on a PC is a bare minimum for software development, 8GB on a mac just doesn't work.

    • @hejalll
      @hejalll Před 8 měsíci +26

      hold on the video compared two macbooks, one with 8gb and 16gb, while the quote compared an 8gb mac to a 16gb pc. So that video does not disprove the quote.

    • @sirsancti5504
      @sirsancti5504 Před 8 měsíci +18

      Dude.. "MacOS and it's great hardware" ... Dude, OS are not physical, dude.

    • @TheRabbitHole-pf9sq
      @TheRabbitHole-pf9sq Před 8 měsíci +6

      @@user-fk2xg8nq6r As someone who uses both macOS and Windows every day, macOS is the clear winner given the worse spec on my MacBook.
      But 8 GB RAM is just not great hardware.

    • @devonglide1830
      @devonglide1830 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@TheRabbitHole-pf9sq Same here. I use linux-cli, windows and macOS everyday and hands down I'm happiest on the Macintosh. People really seem to hate Mac, and that's totally fine if a person doesn't enjoy OSX, but generally speaking anyone I know that uses it seems to prefer it over windows (I know so few people that use any form of linux that I can't even speculate on that one).

    • @JimSendre
      @JimSendre Před 8 měsíci

      correct. actually I missed that.@@hejalll

  • @bigfisher42
    @bigfisher42 Před 8 měsíci +245

    Whoever thought of the strategy of selling effectively useless macs with 8 gb of ram so that customers would be forced to buy another model with at least 16gb right away or later got the promotion of his life.
    Legend has it he still pays the tequila for everyone at the bar every friday.

    • @jernaugurgeh451
      @jernaugurgeh451 Před 8 měsíci +16

      8gb was fine on my base model M1 MacBook Air, never had any problems really, even using Photoshop, doing video editing with Final Cut Pro, game dev with Unity, etc… I wasn’t doing anything majorly complex, true, but it wasn’t useless.
      But I wouldn’t expect anything less than 16gb on a Pro machine costing $1600
      Apple take the piss when it comes to base memory and storage, and their upgrade prices are completely criminal.
      $200 to upgrade from 8gb to 16gb?Insane. I paid less than that for 32Gb of high-end DDR5 7200Mhz RAM for my PC. Of course, it’s different sort of RAM, but still. Insane.

    • @retrofizz727
      @retrofizz727 Před 8 měsíci +16

      @@jernaugurgeh451 Guess what, in my country it's 2000€, which is almost 2200USD.

    • @lsp6032
      @lsp6032 Před 8 měsíci +9

      impossible to replace storage and soldered ram that cost an arm and a leg to upgrade is a deal breaker for me, I need the storage for the emulators and games and still have spare

    • @Cenot4ph
      @Cenot4ph Před 8 měsíci +5

      Apple just cracks me up, they can go so far because their fanbase allows it 😂

    • @reekinronald6776
      @reekinronald6776 Před 8 měsíci +7

      This technique is used every where. It's a derivative of the bait and switch. Offer an attractive price for a product. You get the customer in the psychology of the buying mode. They come in to the shop or onto the Web site. They like what they see, then they see the "Gotcha" and they end up buying what they perceived to be the product for a higher price because the product required some other addition to be a good product.

  • @vdd1001
    @vdd1001 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Apple being able to charge these prices and people still paying for it is so stupid, if people complained and didn't buy it because it has the stupid logo, they'd have fairer prices

  • @zingizinga234
    @zingizinga234 Před 4 měsíci +1

    oh no mr. cook is just cooking

  • @KMon1111IND
    @KMon1111IND Před 8 měsíci +72

    That $200 for 8GB of RAM comes with extra courage that encourages the macbook to push itself beyond its limits.

  • @hamster_master
    @hamster_master Před 8 měsíci +516

    Even if their claims were true it is still not okay for the price

    • @project77977
      @project77977 Před 8 měsíci +103

      not ok ? thats literal scam

    • @samgragas8467
      @samgragas8467 Před 8 měsíci

      Less memory is much cheaper cause you would need a new pc soon. @@project77977 😂

    • @Ic3h0t
      @Ic3h0t Před 8 měsíci +68

      The problem is not with Apple, the problem is with the consumers who are accepting these prices and keep buying them. If they would not have people buying these ones they would not have these prices...

    • @almahin4861
      @almahin4861 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@project77977 dont buy it then

    • @almahin4861
      @almahin4861 Před 8 měsíci +6

      @@project77977 "happily pays for 2k graphics card"

  • @TheMaztercom
    @TheMaztercom Před 4 měsíci +2

    Imagine having 56 of iq and being an apple fan and never being able to build your own pc gamer 😢

  • @BouncingZeus
    @BouncingZeus Před 8 měsíci +795

    Huge reason for this is to make the machine die faster. With 8 gigs it's hitting that swap file so hard often that you're using up writes on the life. Oh and it's non replaceable storage.

    • @TrevorSachko
      @TrevorSachko Před 8 měsíci +10

      And yet it is not.

    • @MelodyGoad
      @MelodyGoad Před 8 měsíci

      @@TrevorSachkoapple shill gtfo

    • @TatsuZZmage
      @TatsuZZmage Před 8 měsíci +146

      @@TrevorSachko ok fanboi

    • @TrevorSachko
      @TrevorSachko Před 8 měsíci +6

      @@TatsuZZmage Not at all. Just that idiots like to use daft words and have no idea what they are talking about.

    • @TatsuZZmage
      @TatsuZZmage Před 8 měsíci +175

      @@TrevorSachko i've watched tear downs of the new macs the ssd is garbage, poorly designed proprietary crap you can't buy, it holds the system bios so if it dies the machine is a brick, the voltage rails don't have a ground line buffering the data lines so if it has a issue it kills all the memory chips and maybe even the cpu.

  • @OM61777
    @OM61777 Před 8 měsíci +214

    The abusive relationship between Apple and it's consumers is hilarious.

    • @black_dragon274
      @black_dragon274 Před 8 měsíci +19

      Meanwhile governments :

    • @hahayes1122
      @hahayes1122 Před 8 měsíci +14

      stockholm intensifies

    • @MelodicTurtleMetal
      @MelodicTurtleMetal Před 8 měsíci +7

      Hurt me daddy Apple ❤

    • @vcp2077
      @vcp2077 Před 8 měsíci +11

      The thing is that the customers don't realise this and are actually happy with it and promoting their products

    • @Fraggr92
      @Fraggr92 Před 8 měsíci +6

      "He hurts me because he loves me"

  • @ogChaaka
    @ogChaaka Před 5 měsíci

    Peel the stickers off and they all say Hynix. 😂

  • @Shimitzu
    @Shimitzu Před 21 dnem

    That dude just reminds me of "asckchly" meme with this quote.

  • @snapcount321
    @snapcount321 Před 8 měsíci +66

    I love how the Apple rep is like "people should go and see how the "technology" is being used?" Isn't that your damn job Apple Marketing?

  • @TheAvenger1171
    @TheAvenger1171 Před 8 měsíci +285

    1. "Efficient use of memory" is mainly on the user with how many apps are open at a time.
    2. Windows also has memory compression.
    3. If the 16 GB is significantly faster with everything else being the same, then that tells me memory ISN'T being used efficiently.

    • @affegpus4195
      @affegpus4195 Před 8 měsíci +23

      You don't get it, it is apple memory

    • @Demopans5990
      @Demopans5990 Před 8 měsíci +38

      Even Linux does memory compression under the hood.
      Also 3. What that should tell you is the swap file is being constantly used, which on a SSD is an easy way to eat into ssd life. Now, swapfiles on SSDs are fine if rarely used, or as a caching mechanism on a NAS. What isn't fine is pretending SSDs are RAM

    • @ezg8448
      @ezg8448 Před 8 měsíci +18

      ​@Demopans5990 - On 8 gigs of RAM, apple will DESTROY your SSD in terms of mem swapping. People have tested this, the system swaps over 125+ GB of SSD in a day.
      I forget if this is 5 or 8 hours though, still...

    • @DewtbArenatsiz
      @DewtbArenatsiz Před 8 měsíci +17

      SSD fails. Apple offers to repair for $5000😊

    • @harrison00xXx
      @harrison00xXx Před 8 měsíci +2

      "If the 16 GB is significantly faster with everything else being the same, then that tells me memory ISN'T being used efficiently"
      I think you misunderstood something here and there are a few things making this result as extreme:
      - >8GB Ram were NEEDED on a 8GB Ram computer
      - It was a base model, the one with super slow SSD, and the SSD is used for the swap memory.
      - The tasks was pretty long/hefty to be honest... as soon the SSD lowers its transfer speed which happens after a while... performance just drops.
      - Was it that inefficient? Have you any comparison with a Windows Computer running on 8GB Ram and doing those tasks? I guess the Windows Machine would be absolutely unusable at those tasks!
      It was even obvious at a comparison between M1 Pro and M2 Pro Base models... the much slower SSD on the M2 Pro basically hurts the performance extremely when you are coming into longer swap usage and so a M2 Pro can be slower than a M1 Pro (but is mostly faster)

  • @HirokaAkita
    @HirokaAkita Před 8 měsíci +2

    "We just happen to be aable to use it much more efficiently."
    My potato pc (which is only used as a media pc) for 4 months only had 2GB of RAM. It was perfectly capable to run Windows 10 and play a CZcams 1080p livestream... in a 2006 CPU.

    • @nxx99
      @nxx99 Před 22 dny

      I have a potato PC from '09, and it runs arch linux. It can smoke a new macbook like a blunt

  • @jepunx
    @jepunx Před 7 měsíci +2

    iSheeps are drooling

  • @NatiiixLP
    @NatiiixLP Před 8 měsíci +106

    This is absolutely hilarious because DDR memory isn't even expensive. In terms of power consumption and physical size constraints, it shouldn't really be a major issue, either. So they're absolutely just trolling their customers, seeing how far they can be pushed before they break.

    • @TrevorSachko
      @TrevorSachko Před 7 měsíci

      Even more hilarious is when sackmashers like yourself have no idea what they are talking about.

    • @Sgt_Glory
      @Sgt_Glory Před 7 měsíci +13

      A friend of mine was trying to justify why his insanely expensive iphone purchase was still valid even after Apple crippled the CPU via an OTA patch due to the phones dangerously overheating. These people like him would buy an Apple product even if it came from the factory permanently smelling of dogshit

    • @TrevorSachko
      @TrevorSachko Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@Sgt_Glory You should have told you "friend" not to charge his phone under his pillow... Douches stick together....

    • @Masterdesstruct
      @Masterdesstruct Před 5 měsíci

      Apple consumers don't care. They are brainless rich or pretending to be "rich" that accept anything apple pushes as part of the future and even as an advacement. This is not crazy considering they are the same type of people that feel good getting scammed at places like Starbucks or any other shitty predatory company

  • @BrianMoore-uk6js
    @BrianMoore-uk6js Před 8 měsíci +345

    I'm having mental flashbacks to 2003 when Apple claimed 400 MHz on a PowerPC was equivalent to 2 GHz on an Intel- CPU. Back then, Apple was kind of stuck with PowerPC architecture, at least until 2006 when they transitioned to Intel. The difference now is Apple could easily upgrade their entry-level spec to 16GB for almost no added cost, but refuses to do so.

    • @ebe7157
      @ebe7157 Před 8 měsíci +24

      In the early days if Pentium IV (the 1.6-2.0 GHz models), that wasn't far from the truth. Early Pentium IVs were smoked by 1 Ghz Pentium 3s in some tests and even 750 MHz P3s in a few outlier ones. I remember my 33 Mhz NextStation smoking 200 MHz Pentium 2s when compiling.

    • @user-cq5zq4ij6r
      @user-cq5zq4ij6r Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@ebe7157 but you do not expect sensible discussion in an "apple bad" video, do you?

    • @ebe7157
      @ebe7157 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@user-cq5zq4ij6r I don't. I'm used to it. I use all OSes for various things. Apple makes good stuff. Pleasant to use, smooth, tight integration with the rest of their ecosystem.

    • @EvilTim1911
      @EvilTim1911 Před 8 měsíci +1

      What other kind of flashback is there other than mental?

    • @theduplicator3270
      @theduplicator3270 Před 8 měsíci +3

      ​@@ebe7157They were ahead of software optimizations that could take advantage of the P4s. Some games ran hot enough you needed to crack a window in December though.

  • @kivin1881
    @kivin1881 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Even if 8GB of Mac RAM is equal to 16GB RAM on normal PC, 200$ for normal 16GB RAM is hella expensive.

  • @dainess2919
    @dainess2919 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I looked at the thumbnail and I though this would be about vram.
    Somehow it turned out stupider

  • @felixnic6308
    @felixnic6308 Před 8 měsíci +26

    I don't agree with Apple here, but the comparison video you use make you pretty much much on the same spot as them. They said compare to 16GB "other OS" PC, not 16GB Macbook. Obviously 16GB Macbook gonna be faster than 8GB Macbook.

    • @scottpatrickdavis
      @scottpatrickdavis Před 8 měsíci +14

      ive only seen 1 other comment bring this up. apple is obviously lying, but nobody noticed that this video proves nothing😂

    • @ebe7157
      @ebe7157 Před 8 měsíci +3

      also, target demo for Mac Book with 8/256 spec is entry level web-users and basic media/office work. Any of the 2021-2023 models can do that in spades. Most users are not encoding 8k videos. Or exporting 5000 images at once.

    • @khodges72
      @khodges72 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@ebe7157this is cope, have more than 2 applications open nowadays will use more than 8gb of RAM

  • @RybatQ
    @RybatQ Před 8 měsíci +105

    This is the memory equivalent of the emissions scandal.

    • @DDRWakaLaka
      @DDRWakaLaka Před 8 měsíci +4

      The VW Diesel one?

    • @besher532
      @besher532 Před 8 měsíci +1

      ​@DDRWakaLaka tbh I couldn't tell you because there are so many

  • @tankermottind
    @tankermottind Před 6 měsíci +1

    imagine having less memory in your new $7000 MacBook Pro than I have in my 12 year old ThinkPad T520 (12 GB)

  • @Peace4Dunya
    @Peace4Dunya Před 5 měsíci +2

    I can't believe people actually fall for Apple's scams

  • @Phredreeke
    @Phredreeke Před 8 měsíci +455

    Unified memory architecture means you require more RAM if anything (those 8GB are shared with the GPU, while on a PC the GPU would have its own separate pool of memory unless you're using an iGPU)

    • @flamestoyershadowkill6400
      @flamestoyershadowkill6400 Před 7 měsíci +28

      Its partially the reason why people with handheld gaming pcs are asking for 32gb ram to become standard

    • @Anonymous-vr6ph
      @Anonymous-vr6ph Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@flamestoyershadowkill6400 what is a handheld gaming pc??

    • @CosmicCustodian
      @CosmicCustodian Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@Anonymous-vr6phbasically...Steamdeck.

    • @flamestoyershadowkill6400
      @flamestoyershadowkill6400 Před 7 měsíci

      @@Anonymous-vr6ph steam deck, rog ally, etc

    • @Microcontrollers
      @Microcontrollers Před 7 měsíci +37

      @@Anonymous-vr6phthe steam deck, for example. it runs linux and you can boot up windows on it easily as well.

  • @_Bnr_
    @_Bnr_ Před 8 měsíci +15

    But how else can I flex on my friends if I don't let Apple royally f*ck me with their pricing??

  • @warmCabin
    @warmCabin Před 8 měsíci

    Were those sound recordings from a real life copium nebulizer?

  • @user85937
    @user85937 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I love my Macbook, but people who think 8GB on Mac is the same as 16GB on PC are idiots that have no idea how hardware works.

  • @mhamadzrar1744
    @mhamadzrar1744 Před 8 měsíci +84

    The worst part is that is 8gb shared between the cpu and the gpu

    • @jonathunky
      @jonathunky Před 8 měsíci +1

      It’s actually the best part, especially when it comes to machine learning applications, LLMs, photo processing etc.
      Effectively having 32 or 64 gb of VRAM is incredibly useful; no Windows laptops can match it.

    • @crysomemoreee
      @crysomemoreee Před 8 měsíci

      Thats if you can even afford that ram, and at that point you are much better off using that money to buy a dedicated memory crunching desktop system to remote into, like most people in fields that need memory heavy machines do.@@jonathunky

    • @ber093
      @ber093 Před 8 měsíci +42

      @@jonathunky A 7k$ macbook outmatch a 700$ windows in memory?? Soo impressive and worth it!!

    • @teapouter6109
      @teapouter6109 Před 8 měsíci +14

      @@jonathunky Except Nvidia has their A series which come with more VRAM...

    • @mhamadzrar1744
      @mhamadzrar1744 Před 8 měsíci +6

      @@jonathunkydid you miss the part that i talked about 8gb?