12W7 VS 10W7 // Subwoofer Review
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Here we compare two excellent Subwoofers, the 10W7AE vs the 12W7AE. Both Subs are in completely different ported boxes and mounted in very diverse cars. We do a overview on both subwoofers, play a demo song for both woofers, check out each individual vehicle the subs are mounted in, and go over some cool electronic features for both the 2002 Lexus IS300 Sportcross and 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302.
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0:00 Introduction
0:40 Vehicles Overview
1:36 12W7AE
2:43 10W7AE
3:32 12W7AE Sound Review
4:22 10W7AE Sound Review
5:05 Dynamate
6:31 Lexus IS300 New Gadgets
7:24 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Gadgets
8:44 Build Intents
9:18 Conclusion - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I'm an audio engineer and producer..
I've owned 3 W7s in my life in two different environments. Car and Studio!
I haven't had a car for 10 years, but when I did and was into car--stereo I upgraded everything over and over again, eventually getting Diamond Hex front speakers and DLS 7x10s in the rear.
I went through Soundstream 10", JL W3 12", Diamond Audio D12..I never upgraded my sub after I got the W7 - I never found a better sounding speaker in my life. I also spent a fortune on 'whisper wall' (same as Dynamat) which was an adhesive sound deadening material that I put inside every surface in the car so you couldn't hear the engine or the road while driving, just the music. It was lovely. Road noise gives me a headache after a while, much prefer as much of it as possible removed.
It was so good in fact - that I bought two JL Audio Fathom 12 inch speakers for my music studio (stereo bass) total overkill, but it's completely immersive and sounds unreal.. and one the hardest areas to mix when making records is the low end - so I can hear exactly what's going on down there and mix it perfectly every time... and, enjoying being "inside" the bass while I do it!
Anyway - from what I understand, the W7 was designed to function perfectly in ported and sealed boxes - the reason for porting is that you can 'tune' the box go give a frequency response bump at certain frequencies if you want lower extension. But for sound quality and 'flatness' in its response. Sealed is better (in my opinion). I build all my own boxes anyway and used.
Also, the way you walk about the difference between the 10 and 12 as if the 12 hits harder is completely false. They're the same woofer, the 12 just moves more air for more SPL. 12 still extends into low mids, unless you're using a cutoff filter. I set mine to 80hz on the W7, I had 4 x 6 inch woofers and the 2 x 10 x 9 DLS rear speakers, so was covered just fine for all frequencies.
With that configuration, I won two competitions for SQ (sound quality) I never entered any sound pressure level competitions (SPL) because I didn't want a car that sounded like that. Some of them were INSANE. World record is something like 185.4dB (last I checked). That'll kill you if you're inside! 😂
The 8W7 extends slightly better into the low mids, if you wanted to make sure all the range is covered from your 6" mid front speakers. But if you design your system right, you should have all frequencies covered evenly. There is NOTHING worse than idiots that buy huge woofers and have screaming awful tinny high frequencies distorting and squealing up front.. Music should be reproduced across the frequency range, not just 60hz and 10k... ouch.. Sounds horrible, no matter how good your sub is on its own.
If anyone cares - I ran it all from a Nakamichi head unit. It did NOTHING but play music. Incredible DAC in it. Cost a fortune, but I heard the difference from exen the top end Sony and Alpine offerings.
Had a cable that came out near the cupholders for running lossless audio into it.
I'm not going to argue with anyone about high end subwoofers and sound quality or whats better. It gets personal and subjective at a certain point and I love the JL sound. Even their W3 was a fantastic budget woofer that played notes that I never heard on other subs.
Hey thank you for the detailed comment. Great points made in here and will definitely take note of what you said for future videos!
@@jjvdz
Hey, no problem. Thanks for the videos.
I'd be happy to consult or chat to you about all things audio engineering related.
Them W7's in those H.O boxes fukkin slap! My friend had one back in the early 2000's in a Chevy Blazer, instead of it being black and gray, my friends was red and gray with a Rockford 1500 powering it. I'm 40 now and the W7 is still the best sounding sub I've ever heard
I think the eclipse titanium hit way harder than the w7 all day i heard both the w7 13 and the eclipse titanium 12 and the 12 hit so much better than the jl
JL subs arent made for spl comps lol @@erobles396010
Subwoofers Sound The Best in Hatchbacks 💯🙂
SUVs also
Trucks too 🤣🤣🤣 really all except for convertibles but there's a way to make even those sound great
Long suvs all day.
This the kinda review we need! 👏👏👏👌🏽
That setup w the 12w7 looks great man!
Thankyou , great information . There's so many out there , but sound quality is important to many , and these I'm sure are great .
Great content and thank you! I have learned so much
Great video! 👍
JL makes a H.O box for the 10” too. FYI those are 10th anniversary and also JL made those for SEALED boxes. Please do your research before dispensing information to the world.
I was thinking the same thing
One thing that will help mustang is the box not just a jl box but a box that compliments his space. The ho box is best for universal space. Even you can benefit with a box that takes your cabin space in mind also port direction. Think it's high output but from seat or position gets the best sound I completely custom box will help with that
Great vid! What kind of camera are you using? Great quality.
I think these need to be tested in a sealed box the same size as the ported to get them lows and achieve better SQ ?
What amp are you using for the 10"W7
Informative video. I think a better comparison would have been to swap the boxes (before bolting the 10W7 to the Mustang though) with music playing in the front. Although its VERY hard if not impossible to capture the full sound effect without the mic clipping
Well said! Thanks for watching!
I have some mtx audio t5500 12s they need a 500watt amp because my 220w amp was fired because my subs were to high end for it they are good still work and no blown sound so im going to get a v6 5th gen camaro once i save up to get it then I'll go for a 800 watt amp by mtx
Went with the 12 inch because it had a higher sensitivity
W7 can slam in a sealed box too... Not sure why youre saying JL only recommends a ported box when JL offered the W7 in a prefab sealed box as well. Also saying the 10 will complement all your songs as ooposed to the 12 because the 12 will slam more is just bs, it comes down to box/application
He didn’t really say that, he said that they’re better in a ported box. JL selling a sealed to hit more of the market with smaller boxes doesn’t mean it’s just as good when talking about extension, output or flatness.
It's wrong. The W7 was designed for both, the ported box is just for tuning so it can hit certain notes harder and lower, but I prefer the speed (impact) of a sealed box and flatter response curve. I think it's personal and subjective choice at a certain level of sub quality and perhaps what sort of music you prefer and how the notes sound. But transient speed was always more important to me than low end extension. The woofer recovers faster to null position in a sealed box because the air pressure pushes it back. It's small, but noticeable I believe.
Nice video
next time walk back 20ft if you want to record bass instead of distorted mic sound
My dad had the W7 10 in a high output box from JL it was gray and red and the W7 12 in the same high output box from JL which was also red and gray. The 10 was just as bad ass as the 12 on any given day.
I wish they still made that box
At least JL, you can still get them custom cnc but it’s not original
I had an ho10 jl box too. Had my kia rio sounding like it had 2 15s
tommy, so both are "bad" ?
Sounds a little like the crossover on the 10 is set a little high? You can tell that box isn’t optimized for that 10 either.
thinking bout getting the 12W7AE pro wedge box. Can you tell me is the JL Audio JD1000/1 1000 Watt Class D Mono Channel Subwoofer Amplifier the right amp for this sub? also how loud is it? can it be heard coming down the road ?
The reason the mustang rattles more than the lexus is because one is a mustang and one is a lexus, also the station wagon helps reduce pressure build up in the trunk vs a fully enclosed small trunk which will rattle more all else being equal.
Punchy vs boomy is how I describe the 10 vs 12 differences...nice video btw...
They definitely slap that Hella funny when I heard you say slap I automatically thought your from the bay.
They made a 10w7 anniversary edition the wedge box I had one in a 13 civic that was absolutely nasty very clean sound
Hi you know if the 10"W7 sound good with the XD600-1V2 I don't know if I should get this subwoofer or the HO12"W6
Someone wants to trade me a w6 10" just sub for my 2 kicker
17 8's in ported built box. Should I do it?
Interesting!
First off the 10w7 should be in the hatchback. The 12w7 is bigger and louder, put that in the trunk instead. This is a stupid comparison.. the hatchback will always be louder than a trunk..
It's a muscle car, the 10 saves weight.
@@markmark8174 Lol.. Brother, that wont make a difference at all.. unless you tell me that the interior is completely gutted out.. no seats no anything.. plus no one races a convertible.
@@djmarkymarks.f.4153 We’ll there no other W7 Comparison Video on CZcams… so it can’t be that stupid of a comparison. Plus, the 12W7 would never fit in the truck of that mustang, it’s too tall of a box.
@@jjvdz take out the backseat then.. I used to compete in the 80's & 90's.. We Used to gut out the backseat.. Don't be lazy.. 👍👌
Song?
I have the 10w7 in the h.o box just like that 12w7 u have in that Station wagon yes the 10w7 did come with that box from jl audio
At the time the of purchasing they did not offer the 10w7 in a HO wedge ported box
Subs are cool but I’m now interested in if that is300 wagon is a manual or not
It is manual, check out some of my other videos
U will have way more fu ctions settings for subs and amps
JL audio and Audiomobile best sounding sub that goes way low deep
I could never do 1 subwoofer.
You're missing out on the other sub in your music.
Ported boxes for me
Same slot kerf or aero ports never owned sealed ports though.
In my opinion the 12 is already bigger size then the 10 is in a better box and a hatchback 3 differences obviously that car would win. In a race however the boss mustang😂
conclusion bass cant be recorded on mic in a car and sound good also lexus is like a car made of concrete compared to a mustang lol
Sound phenomenal but the cost 😮😮
W7s absolutely can go in sealed boxes lol. In fact they sell them that way from the factory.
Song: Pain - Forell Beats
Ported boxes don't return the subs as fast so bass kind of gets jumbled if it's fast. Sealed hit harder and faster.
Alpine and pioneer have better frequencies for settings and tuning
these subs are better in sealed enclosures which is why all their home subwoofers, including their fathom and gotham line, are sealed
no comparison! bigger speaker in a high output box in a hatch back . I have 4 13w7s. that high output box
not to mention the 10w7" I think" is a single 3 ohm coil .
but maybe not cause it's a AE addition for if it's not your running the 12 1.5ohms
with a beast stage setup like the C7s 🤦🏻♂️🤯🤓 I bet that hatch back sounds nasty
FOUR! lol.. that would kill me.
I hope you've got decent front and rear speakers to fill in the rest of the frequency range! Otherwise it's gonna sound like BOOOOOM tssss BOOOOM tsssss....
I'll take 10s all day
Looks like young Flea
😂😂😂 For real
U can ruin a sub with trunk raised if u put power to it
can someone tell me why this is a good woofer?
does it sound clean?
does it hit hard?
what is the best amp with this setup?
We need w8
Yeah, Think I will go for the 6 speed Mustang 302 Boss with 10w7 over the wifey’s grocery sled with 12w7 anyday! Almost laughable!#JLAudio❤#🔊🔥✨#😂
😂
They patented the ho box.
The 10” should only be used in a JL enclosure.
OMG ... its a comparison of how different they are... different cars... different boxes... difference sizes... only thing the same is the fact that they come from JL... lol whats this video about.. putting a w7 in his moms car?
You're so cool
Ground Shaker boxes sound like poo poo
Dont wAste your money on dynamat.
False Statement
Fi > JL
Yes agreed Fi
The port is too small for the 10w7 way too small and both subs are for ppl with alot of money and not alot of sense.
I don’t agree with your opinion on the w7. Your throwing a lot of hate but not offering any alternatives…
If you can't afford quality, go to Walmart.
Both subs are garbage plastic junk subs but jl has nice enclosures they are not totally different they are the dame sub but a different size
Lmfao what
Kenwood is junk get alpine or pioneer
Sundown better save ur money
Both are garbage 1 12 american bass that costs 1/3 the price will outperform both of those combined that was 1 example of a sub american bass theres prolly 30 more off the top of my head
Which ones would be better then
A cheap sub like American bass has to much distortion vs JL Audio is for high quality no distortion vs your cheap American bass quantity not quality . JL AUDIO is best to reproduce real music vs that cheap American bass just like Sundown Audio and Skar Audio. What you pay is what you get.
"garbage"
Right..
It only won a ton of awards, took years of research and development and has 8 patents for its construction.
It's not about SPL, these are quality sounding subs that are incredible - at any price.
I have 2 x Fathom 12s in my music studio and love them. Get perfect low end mixes every time.
Can't stand people that just trash anything they don't own, based on what? At a certain price point its all personal taste and subjectivity. Personally, I love the JL sound. Even their W3 budget 12" is a great sounding sub.
These are over priced weak subwoofers 🚮nobody wanna pay over 1k for a sub only rated 1k watts that’s straight trashhhhh lmao doesn’t make sense u can buy a single beefy 12 for half that price that will blow that trash out the water🤷🏻♂️🫴🏼👎🏼
Don’t pocket watch. Let that man gets what he wants. I W7 in my vehicles and I’m happy with it.
beefy subs don’t mean they are gonna be louder dawg they just dissipate heat faster, yeah jl overpriced but they don’t make trash subs at all. if your an SPL dude then why are you hear not hating on your opinion but jl doesn’t really go for spl they are sound quality and sound good af but i’m a spl dude and stay away and go for sundowns or kicker q class L7
@@torrez8144 wayyyyyy overpriced I was outta line when I say trash they can be reliable subs just NOBODY Wants to pay over 1k for a sub only rated 1k so many options out there that would sound just as good for less then half that…. I’m an spl guy yes i love getting loud but by no means should anyone pay that much for those subs that’s why that sit on the marketplace for less then half the price😂
Hey bro... what are you watching JL vids? It's time to pay the rent or I'll kick ur ass.
What an ignorant hater. do your research or stfu.