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  • @dankuser8303
    @dankuser8303 Před rokem +1480

    “If my enemy doesn’t know what I’m doing I don’t know either”
    -Most Star Wars characters

    • @fletcherg8601
      @fletcherg8601 Před rokem +33

      strike that--reverse it.

    • @StarLeader44
      @StarLeader44 Před rokem +13

      @@fletcherg8601 ~ Willy Wonka Circa 1945 colorized

    • @Jamief1585
      @Jamief1585 Před rokem +11

      @@fletcherg8601 “either know don’t I doing I’m what know doesn’t enemy my if”

    • @georgevanhoose6333
      @georgevanhoose6333 Před rokem +5

      American military doctrine, circa 1942

  • @PositiveBlackSoul
    @PositiveBlackSoul Před rokem +527

    I would argue Clone Troopers behind a Jedi can consider themselves to be "in cover".

    • @themanwhowouldbebrick
      @themanwhowouldbebrick Před rokem +44

      Yeah according to some reference book I had they march double file behind a jedi to take cover behind their lightsaber.

    • @themanwhowouldbebrick
      @themanwhowouldbebrick Před rokem +9

      @@LL-tz9lo some jedi are better than others 🤷‍♂️

  • @exoticbutters4212
    @exoticbutters4212 Před rokem +991

    That clone diving at the beginning got me

    • @TheRogueOneYT
      @TheRogueOneYT  Před rokem +97

      I also spewed my keyboard while cutting that :D

    • @worldwiz3318
      @worldwiz3318 Před rokem +10

      Infinity blade? I haven’t played that in years

    • @exoticbutters4212
      @exoticbutters4212 Před rokem +5

      @@worldwiz3318 I love it to this day. It's the best game franchise ever made

    • @epicassassin8502
      @epicassassin8502 Před rokem +4

      Shock troops be like

    • @ArcticWolf00Alpha0
      @ArcticWolf00Alpha0 Před rokem +10

      Man might as well have yelled LEEERRROY JENKINS as he jumped in

  • @ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723

    Well clone wars is a bit of an analogy to WW1, before they had this whole “fighting with guns” tactics known.

    • @therealgamingking7901
      @therealgamingking7901 Před rokem +68

      This actually makes sense

    • @ArcticWolf00Alpha0
      @ArcticWolf00Alpha0 Před rokem +106

      but at the same time that doesn't make much sense, the Republic is not engaging enemies in open fields, and as the republic engages the CIS on multiple worlds many of these worlds would be urban areas and cities, it is still a little baffling that no Urban combat tactics are used by the Republic.

    • @TheRogueOneYT
      @TheRogueOneYT  Před rokem +75

      another great video idea for the series "familarities in Star Wars"

    • @PBRatLord
      @PBRatLord Před rokem +54

      Blasters have been in universe for at least 3000 years by the time of this story, it's just poor writing/ not focusing on realism over rule of cool. Plenty of other EU authors wrote/directed insanely detailed and intelligent battles and fight scenes taking into account not only the vast weapons and cultures, but also the how said things would work with realistic physics etc applied which stood above and beyond scenes in the rest of the canon entries.

    • @majormononoke8958
      @majormononoke8958 Před rokem +14

      Lol, they actually had figured it out. The problem was they were not prepared for the power of artillery, most ww1 soldiersin battle died from that. And the commanders obviously didnt cared.

  • @reihanharfi635
    @reihanharfi635 Před rokem +520

    Real Life Military : *Actual Tactics That Can Be Use Logically.*
    Star Wars Tactics : *Anyway I Started Blasting *PEW PEW.*

  • @polishscribe674
    @polishscribe674 Před rokem +636

    Fun fact:
    Jedi using bad tactics was actually canon in EU, and it was explained that last war they participated in was few million years earlier, and everyone was jedi, so charging like that was actually useful.
    But it's not when your soldiers are normal people.

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran Před rokem +99

      When all the combatants have lightsabers, there's no way to really do much damage without getting close to the enemy. But when the majority of both sides are fighting with blasters, the commanders need to *think with blasters*. Unfortunately, the Jedi "generals" are probably the least experienced of them all when it comes to blaster combat.

    • @disgustedcharlie6679
      @disgustedcharlie6679 Před rokem +48

      Thousand*

    • @bemusedalligator
      @bemusedalligator Před rokem +19

      @@InventorZahran they fight like the beginning of WW1 the whole time - marching battalions into machine gun fire.

    • @TheNerdForAllSeasons
      @TheNerdForAllSeasons Před rokem +17

      Asking warrior monks to lead battalion size formations with zero prior experience was always a bad idea lol

    • @highchairman6428
      @highchairman6428 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@bemusedalligator Except at that point you had outdated doctrines and veteran generals who were raised during the time of Napoleon or something. Heck the Crimea War even showed how obsolete old warfare tactics and strategy is with new technology. There was no real way to clear enemy fortifications, or more so, without bombing their trench lines with artillery, even then, tunnels and bunkers, they built them well enough or maybe artillery just wasn't super accurate enough to the point somehow they didn't manage to soften the enemy position because if the enemy can get back out of their tunnels or bunkers and set-up their MGs once more and fire upon the charging wave I have a feeling people need to use more trench raid or mass bombing strategies because human wave tactics was just so poorly done.
      At least WW2 had a different approach to it, granted they had better vehicles available unlike WW1 where cars were not made for the muddy and barren wastes of the front, and tanks were prone to breaking down before they even reached the front. But there had to be a better way to use infantry than just throw them into the line of fire. What kind of doctrine was that?!

  • @yharisvondagar8176
    @yharisvondagar8176 Před rokem +177

    shit is about to get real if Christopher Lee teaches u how to do sword fights this dude was a legend

    • @danielboatright8887
      @danielboatright8887 Před rokem +15

      During LOTR he told the director 'thats not the sound someone makes when stabbed there.'
      Peter Jackson deffered to thr subject matter expert.

    • @justalurker3489
      @justalurker3489 Před rokem +7

      @@danielboatright8887 Yeah because Lee was a WWII vet who was part of a precursor to MI6

  • @shisn0598
    @shisn0598 Před rokem +159

    You do NOT get to diss Thorn’s last stand like that. That was awesome and you know it.

    • @thevgmlover
      @thevgmlover Před rokem +21

      Seriously people, watch the full clip. "FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!"

    • @Zakatak-mf4iq
      @Zakatak-mf4iq Před 4 měsíci +10

      Yeah its pretty unfair to complain about lack of cover tactics when they were literally ambushed whilst on a landing platform.

    • @agent1485
      @agent1485 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Zakatak-mf4iq
      Exactly.

    • @Joesmith-lz6pq
      @Joesmith-lz6pq Před 2 měsíci +2

      Yea they physically couldn’t make it to cover and making himself a smaller target when surrounded like that wouldn’t have done jackshit

  • @PBRatLord
    @PBRatLord Před rokem +426

    This is why I loved the Republic Commando and Rogue Squadron novels.
    Neither are perfect, but both series had authors who did TONS of research into things like actual dogfighting, martial arts, and touching into the basics of how actual special-forces type squads operate; or at least how they would if they were genetically enhanced and encased in tank-like Katarn armor or were a Force-sensitive pilot who's spent his entire life behind the stick of an X-wing.

    • @Warren-nf3nk
      @Warren-nf3nk Před 6 měsíci +2

      As well as them having to deal with various “civvies.” Some of my *favorite* books!

  • @philippeszwarcbart6507
    @philippeszwarcbart6507 Před rokem +60

    That’s why clone trooper resentment is a point made in the novels. Jedi forget they are leading non Jedi, and take heavy casualties as a result.

    • @Echo-pz5mi
      @Echo-pz5mi Před rokem +6

      yeah exactly, before that their last actual war was 3000 years prior and their armies were mostly composed of jedis, where, yeah, rushing is the best thing to do

  • @tristankawatsuma8962
    @tristankawatsuma8962 Před rokem +215

    I feel you should be fair in some cases. Commander Thorn and his squad were caught out in the open by Separatist forces who overwhelmed them. And as for the clip with Domino Squad, the point is that they don’t work well together and thus fail. When they do work together is probably one of the best scenes with military tactics, making use of cover and backing each other up instead of always just charging ahead.

    • @Utubesuperstar
      @Utubesuperstar Před rokem +3

      Thorne was one of the few who did well he first and foremost made sure admirals was secure then tried to get to cover

    • @MFenix206
      @MFenix206 Před rokem +1

      hmmm. in that case your best bet is to push out of the encirclement and into the enemy lines. ironically one of the few times where clones *don't* blindly charge is when it would be best advisable. even if there was no hope for a break-out by charging the enemy you force the encirclers to hold fire or (in the case of droids) cause friendly fire casualties.
      siting still in an ever shrinking circle of your dying men with no cover is stupid. you charge the line in the direction you either A. think will be easiest to break B. Is the way to your evac/objective or C. likely to cause the enemy the most damage. you only ever hold if you are in a defensible position and have reinforcements in the area.
      even in ancient times an encirclement was death. you broke out or died.

    • @DovahFett
      @DovahFett Před rokem +2

      @@MFenix206 They were on a landing platform. They only had one direction to potentially push in that wouldn't have left them fighting with their backs against the edge, and attempting to move in that direction would still have left them in the open, with no cover, facing an enemy that heavily outguns them.

    • @MFenix206
      @MFenix206 Před rokem +2

      @@DovahFett droids are cover...

  • @Sinistaire
    @Sinistaire Před rokem +119

    I have zero knowledge of military tactics, but I've definitely used bounding overwatch intuitively when playing RTS games, without even knowing the term.

    • @BaygelTheDog
      @BaygelTheDog Před rokem +15

      took a couple rounds of xcom for me

    • @TheNapster153
      @TheNapster153 Před rokem

      Same. Issue though is that many high level players cheese the hell out of game mechanics hence I feel its very difficult to apply these tactics when needed.

    • @marcuswhite6586
      @marcuswhite6586 Před 5 měsíci

      Played Warhammer 40K Squad Command on DS and it made me appreciate covering fire and flanking maneuvers and running to cover.

  • @Zood94
    @Zood94 Před rokem +71

    Real Life Military : "Soo what you have to do is-"
    Clones : "Yeeeettt...!!!"

  • @ArcticWolf00Alpha0
    @ArcticWolf00Alpha0 Před rokem +286

    I yearn for the day a stormtrooper squad clears a building effectively by doing the following.
    1) Throw a grenade or flash bang into a room before entering.
    2) Sending in one trooper after the other to secure every corner of the room and eliminate all targets in their sight.
    3) Establishing that the room is clear and exchange ammo so they can clear the next room effectively.
    4) Hold positions if necessary and await further orders, reinforcements, medical attention.
    Please tell me if i missed something.

    • @alexlandskroner9353
      @alexlandskroner9353 Před rokem +37

      So nearly exactly what happened on the tantive iv in a new hope

    • @luigimrlgaming9484
      @luigimrlgaming9484 Před rokem

      *hit their targets*

    • @BaygelTheDog
      @BaygelTheDog Před rokem +22

      @@alexlandskroner9353 theres a reason people like the original trilogy

    • @neofulcrum5013
      @neofulcrum5013 Před rokem +11

      I yearn to see a rebel squad do that as well

    • @Lilyfied_
      @Lilyfied_ Před rokem +4

      Is the last line a clever joke about storm trooper's aim? Because before all that I want to see stormtroopers hit something for once.

  • @matthewfarmer9500
    @matthewfarmer9500 Před rokem +26

    Clone: “I’m not trying to do what makes sense, I’m trying to do what looks cool.”

  • @tk-6967
    @tk-6967 Před rokem +125

    I love that the battle droids, who are repurposed basic exposable sentries, use more tactics than the clones, elite drugged up super soldiers. It goes to show who are the real professionals in the war, especially when you consider that even the CIS at it's weakest near the end of the war after Utapau should have feasibly won the conflict, and that isn't including their whole army when you consider most of it was far away from actual combat.

    • @SlavGod47
      @SlavGod47 Před rokem +13

      That's where Palpatine's "secret plot" really comes into play. If it was a straight, fair fight without 1 man playing both sides, the CIS curb stomps the Republic. Absolutely no contest

    • @juancabardo21
      @juancabardo21 Před 7 měsíci

      well to be fair they are literally droids so they most likely have military tactics embedded into their programming without need for training

  • @Rebel94122
    @Rebel94122 Před rokem +103

    I don't think traditional fencing could apply to lighsaber combat, keeping in mind a lightsaber can cut anything without applying to much force, giving the posibility to perform more close maneuvers

    • @callmefleet
      @callmefleet Před rokem +12

      Considering how none of the weight is on the blade itself but only a small fraction on the handle, the strength you put into it likely shouldn't affect your strikes at all. It's like trying to hit someone with a helium balloon but even worse

    • @aramis9331
      @aramis9331 Před rokem +11

      Fencing absolutely would apply to lightsabers, thrust and stabs would be way safer than coming in close because you just need to poke them with the plasma rod to do damage not slice them in half

    • @brendanhilgeman1395
      @brendanhilgeman1395 Před rokem

      Actually, there's been a recent lightsaber mechanic revealed; the crystals inside have a gyroscopic kind of nature (mando/bobf dark saber scenes) so you have to move "with" it, as opposed to just swinging it
      So not necessarily like a regular sword

    • @sorin_markov
      @sorin_markov Před rokem +1

      @@brendanhilgeman1395 The darksaber is very different from regular lightsabers, as seen in mando/bobf dark saber scenes. Also in Rebels, novels, and TCW animated series

    • @brendanhilgeman1395
      @brendanhilgeman1395 Před rokem +2

      @@sorin_markov oh yeah, very much so
      But I thought about it, and realized that would explain why jedi aren't using lightsabers like you "should" use a sword (like a rapier or broadsword) and more like how we see it with all the twirls and whatnot
      Made sense in my mind that all lightsabers have that gyroscopic effect, with the dark saber being much more pissy about it. Fits in with the whole use the force thing

  • @The7thFleet
    @The7thFleet Před rokem +61

    lmao this is so good bruh, star wars does everything the opposite way

  • @Skeletor_the_Bigg
    @Skeletor_the_Bigg Před rokem +23

    7:26 we can’t ignore Tank 2’s gunner right here man. Who needs to pick a good spot when your gunner is shooting down missiles.

  • @ethanhauschildt5620
    @ethanhauschildt5620 Před rokem +42

    It's always bothered me how neither side used tactics and it was always just "the good guys win because they're the good guys" even though they are surrounded in an open terrain and the enemy is battle droids who in theory should have no trouble aiming their blasters. It just makes for poor fight scenes where the good guys come out on top despite being actually braindead.

    • @brunofernandes6325
      @brunofernandes6325 Před rokem

      Well, I think that is the way it is because the droids and clones were fabricated by the same person: Palpatine. The Republic should win in order to do order 66 and control the galaxy more easily
      It is a fake war to serve a higher purpose

    • @SlavGod47
      @SlavGod47 Před rokem +2

      So basically every action movie Hollywood has ever made?

  • @MINIGenerallHux
    @MINIGenerallHux Před rokem +25

    I love how you put in the General Skywalker from Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes, it had me laughing 😂

    • @TheRogueOneYT
      @TheRogueOneYT  Před rokem +2

      At least they didnt wrote "master" skywalker

  • @suumcuique4530
    @suumcuique4530 Před rokem +29

    The sword theories can not be applied on a force sensitive lightsword wielder.
    But yes, you can be disappointed how the training on Kamino failed the clone troopers. The Kaminoans had extraordinary scientific knowledge on cloning, but might have not been that much knowledgeable about military tactics.

    • @suumcuique4530
      @suumcuique4530 Před rokem +3

      but maybe the troops are only as good as their commanding officer… the just act as anakin would

    • @meteorsr2339
      @meteorsr2339 Před rokem +3

      I'd argue that realistic lightsaber fighting would probably be similar to modern sportsfencing. So you'd mostly hold it in one hand and do a lot of thrusting motions, something where a curved grip would actually help a lot. That being said using it like a one and a half handed sword like the video suggests would still be a thousand times more effective than whatever they're doing in the movies.

    • @SkiRacingOz
      @SkiRacingOz Před rokem +1

      @@meteorsr2339 to be fair the prequels actually have developed and proven to be effective techniques as co pared to the ot and the sequels which are much less refined

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran Před rokem +4

      That's why Mandalorian warriors were hired to train some of the clone troopers. However, clone armor is not Beskar, so any traditional Mandalorian tactics that depend on that level of armor protection just won't work so well for the clones.

    • @moscanaveia
      @moscanaveia Před rokem +3

      @@SkiRacingOz Any martial arts instructor I ever heard of takes pot shots at prequels fencing with all the spinning and useless fluff. Now don't get me wrong, I take the artistry of highly choreographed lightsabre dueling in the prequels over a dry, soulless, brainless and frothing bashing of blades in gritty realistic settings, any day.

  • @noted_insolence1894
    @noted_insolence1894 Před rokem +58

    Tbf, the type of fighting done in the Clone Wars is completely different than modern warfare. The clones and jedi are fighting a massive army of robots that don't need to take cover or use conventional tactics. This means the Republic isn't afforded the luxury of purely long range fighting or trench stalemates. These positions just become overrun. The Clone tactics are more like those of ancient spartans or cavalry: fire from concealment until the moment when you can rush in and meet the enemy toe to toe and hold the line. On top of this, not only are the clones enhanced soldiers physically and psychologically (less fear, and better physical conditioning than basic human soldiers), they also have armor (which even shown in some of these clips can keep a clone fighting after taking multiple hits). AND they have bacta and other advanced forms of medical treatment. With advanced armor and medical treatment, the threat of getting hit once and bleeding out (the laser guns also cauterize a lot of the bleeding) is severely diminished and allows for soldiers to be trained more to "get out there, fight like hell, take a a few rounds, and hope your team advances enough to pull you back and heal you". Imagine the tactics of the Red Army soldiers of ww2... but now they have penicillin, compression bandages, Kevlar and the most advanced battle rifles of the time

    • @bonzwah1
      @bonzwah1 Před rokem +14

      I don't feel that any detail you highlighted makes modern tactics less relevant...if anything, they are more relevant than ever in this setting. on paper, superior tactics, training, and coordination is what allowed the clones to compete with the far more numerous droids. "rushing in" and "meeting the enemy toe to toe" and "holding the line" is exactly what the droids are good at. unfortunately, most visual depictions of the clone wars present droids and clones are basically interchangeable.
      Also, the presence of armor, bacta, and prosthesis just brings even MORE value to a successful withdraw, as casualties have a very high rate of returning to the front lines at full functionality. If your goal is just advance until you win or lose, then anytime you lose, the clone troopers will be lost to a man...and again, on paper, this shouldn't allow the clone wars to last very long as the droids HEAVILY outnumber the clones.
      The thing is, the clone army has the motive, means, and opportunity to operate like a modern army on steroids, and the fact that their opponents are incapable of employing tactics beyond "ancient spartans" should leave clone commanders salivating. unfortunately, competence happens off-screen in the star wars universe.

    • @dangerdrone9327
      @dangerdrone9327 Před rokem +2

      So next time a clone clears a room they should run right in instead of using actual breaching tactics to clear a room without casualties. Also some of these tactics would still be used in ww2, like overwatch and vehicle placement.

    • @ImieNazwiskoOK
      @ImieNazwiskoOK Před rokem

      And in case of using Z-6 rotary blaster cannon, I don't think you could do that much while using this

    • @betterforget7074
      @betterforget7074 Před rokem +6

      Modern tactics are the results of continuous research into how to best defeat the enemy. Just because the enemy comprise of mindless droids does not justify abandoning sound tactics. That's like the Americans not sending airplanes into Afghanistan because the enemy did not have an airforce. Instead they should send their armed toyotas into the enemy caves and eliminate them as equals!
      The clones would suffer significantly less and reap significantly more if they employed modern tactics, at the very least. Clones were thinking creatures, and that's what made them superior to droids. Otherwise, how could a human ever match the potential of a recyclable, expendable killing machine?

    • @afoxinaviators4105
      @afoxinaviators4105 Před rokem +3

      The 'hold the line' and 'rush in' doctrine died with the advent of the machine gun. It doesn't matter if you have ten thousand men running towards your enemy when the enemy has ten machine guns with a thousand rounds of ammo. Star Wars warfare was always in this silly spot where automatic weapons exist, but strategy never seemed to evolve past Civil-war era line formations. The only thing which kept the battles from being over in a few minutes as they realistically would is the fact no one can seem to aim.

  • @ilikewater1575
    @ilikewater1575 Před rokem +7

    My favorite tactic was spinning, that’s a good trick

  • @anxietyplague
    @anxietyplague Před rokem +23

    Real life tactics can easily improve a show by alot.

    • @jcanal0221
      @jcanal0221 Před 2 měsíci

      Not necesarily and not on this show, and this comes from someone who is doing extensive research for my own projects

  • @RC--lm8tj
    @RC--lm8tj Před rokem +7

    I love how you (can) use actual tactics in the game star wars republic commando. Its really fun.

  • @sentios5593
    @sentios5593 Před rokem +7

    My favourite military tactic was: "BrInG iN tHE FlAmEtHrOwErS!!!!"

  • @guyofminimalimportance7
    @guyofminimalimportance7 Před rokem +4

    I like how in many of these situations they actually pay for not using proper tactics; like the writers seemingly knew they were leaving themselves open in most of these instances.

  • @shadowslayer205
    @shadowslayer205 Před rokem +11

    To be fair about 5:00, I don't think standard cover tactics would work as well when your enemies are a swarm of fast-flying insect people.

  • @whitewolf55673
    @whitewolf55673 Před rokem +11

    5:47
    Come on. That's bs man.
    That was an ambush out in the open with no cover.

    • @TrueNamelessOne
      @TrueNamelessOne Před 2 měsíci

      You didn't listen. You need to make yourself smaller, if there's no cover.

  • @kyleyuen245
    @kyleyuen245 Před rokem +8

    Clones basically learned Combat by vr, it really is a miracle they even survived v the first hour of geonosis pretty alone the first day

  • @KaiMagSchoko
    @KaiMagSchoko Před rokem +20

    the thing about lightsabers is you can do lots of damage with little force, thats why you dont really need to thrust or cut

    • @noted_insolence1894
      @noted_insolence1894 Před rokem

      True, also the entire face of a lightsaber is a "blade", without being as heavy as a broadsword. So the fighting style is more like a mixture of broadsword meets Katana

    • @bonzwah1
      @bonzwah1 Před rokem

      @@noted_insolence1894 why would either broadsword or katana have anything to do with the statement "the entire face of the lightsaber is a 'blade'"?

    • @bonzwah1
      @bonzwah1 Před rokem

      yeah, but the closest thing in real life to meeting those conditions is olympic fencing...and everyone kinda hates watching that. if you had weightless blades and only required a touch to "win", then its gonna look like olympic fencing...which probably isn't going to capture the imagination of a modern audience.
      I wouldn't mind seeing that though. cuz both combatants can see a little bit in the future and have force augmented strength, speed, and acrobatic capability. we see quite a bit of lunging and some limited jumping in olympic fencing, its possible that a lightsaber fight that is choreographed as a "perfect" fencing bout could actually look decent...but at the end of the day, the wushu-inspired fights of the prequels did a great job of capturing people's imaginations.

    • @noted_insolence1894
      @noted_insolence1894 Před rokem

      @@bonzwah1 The weapon that Christopher Lee is showing off is a thrusting weapon, not a slashing weapon or a hacking weapon. Having a light (literally) sword that doesn't need to come down at any one angle with a particular amount of sweep or force to cut through objects, or similarly to parry or block other lightsabers, allows you combine styles that are best suited for varying types of sword.....you wouldn't put all your weight into a hacking movement with a Katana, and you wouldn't make balanced sweeping cuts with a broadsword. You also wouldn't wind up and spin the sword with either of these weapons as you would with a sabre while mounted or dismounted. A lightsaber theoretically allows for the use of all of these movements and they are just as efficient as any of the other movements. Try foil fencing with saber tactics and, as much you may like the feel of it, you won't score any points. Try lunging and thrusting with a sabre, and again, you're diarmed or dead. A lightsaber lets you do pretty much any movement that is most efficient without need to worry about how the face of the weapon is landing

    • @bonzwah1
      @bonzwah1 Před rokem

      ​@@noted_insolence1894 fair points. sounds to me, though, that you are suggesting that the swordplay would be like a mixture of sabre and foil. Going only off of your own points, I still feel that saying the swordplay would be an intersection of broadsword and katana misses the point entirely (I was unable to resist putting the pun in there).
      but more seriously, the fact that the blades are light and that a touch is all that is required are sort of the the defining feature of the lightsaber. i feel that what you were saying about using a foil with sabre tactics is far more compelling that your assertion about broadswords and katanas. it seems to me, that all you need to do, is imagine what would happen if you COULD score points in foil with sabre tactics, and then you would have a "realistic" depiction of lightsaber fencing.

  • @press8704
    @press8704 Před rokem +10

    You gotta love the Rule of Cool!

  • @21jstreet5
    @21jstreet5 Před rokem +7

    That tank gunner at the end is needed in Kharkiv

  • @Emperorofthebleedingroses2405

    I Love how the Republic Commandos get no recognition for starting off the full scale invasion of kasshick

  • @jacqueslin8178
    @jacqueslin8178 Před rokem +6

    2:24 I laughed. Rey had such a great position. But the moment she switched to a reverse lightsaber style, I was like, "why are you holding it like that, you're not even moving as fast or as agile as Ahsoka to pull it off effectively"

    • @moscanaveia
      @moscanaveia Před rokem

      It makes no sense for Ahsoka to do it either. Only works for that videogame character and for animation

    • @jacqueslin8178
      @jacqueslin8178 Před rokem +3

      @@moscanaveia realistically, it’s a useless close combat stance. It only looks cool. That’s all it has in it. Yes, technically speaking, Ashoka using the reverse grip wouldn’t work in real life. Just saying she’s only been able to stay alive is because of her agility and speed that she adapted into it. When Rey does it, it looks like a complete amateur swinging randomly

    • @moscanaveia
      @moscanaveia Před rokem

      @@jacqueslin8178 I bet nobody would look cool irl trying to reverse grip. And no, the only reason Ahsoka can pull off reverse gripping is because she is one of the main characters in the show, so plot armour

    • @jacqueslin8178
      @jacqueslin8178 Před rokem +1

      @@moscanaveia ​ Ah yeah, that's whats it called, plot armor. Forgot that. And reverse grip just looks cool as a "fighting stance". Like I said, in actual irl combat, it's not that effective. Daggers and knives maybe depending on the situation. Mainly due to any attack you do is too predictable. Either a upward strike, or one from the side.
      Reverse grips really are just used for temporary uses. Like if you have to unsheath your weapon but can't position yourself in time. The "form" is a just "oh f*ck" scenario until you readjust.

    • @MFenix206
      @MFenix206 Před rokem

      @@moscanaveia and she reverse grips her *off hand* blade, while maintaining a conventional grip on her other hand. usually. a reverse grip isn't useless, but it is close.
      usually only good for overhand strikes with a dagger/knife, to apply the wielders body-weight into the stab. or for hooking in grappling, which is not something a lightsaber can do. if you hook someone with a lightsaber, you have just made two half-someones.

  • @olivereardley2007
    @olivereardley2007 Před rokem +5

    This actually made me laugh, but 2 things.
    1. It’s easy to think of these tactics and practise them, but when you are being fired at by hundreds of murder robots, you kinda panic.
    2. Commander Thorn went out like a king, screw tactics

    • @bonzwah1
      @bonzwah1 Před rokem +3

      I doubt the canonical explanation was "the clone troopers, literally bred to be the perfect soldiers, panicked and forgot their training". If modern day soldiers are capable of doing it, then the clone army, as presented, should be able to do it but even better.

    • @olivereardley2007
      @olivereardley2007 Před rokem

      I know, but making the comparison of Military troops that fight at best other troops of their kind, to troopers that fight robots, giant monsters and lightsabers…

    • @gabrielandradeferraz386
      @gabrielandradeferraz386 Před rokem +1

      when people panic the usually either run away, or get very very small

  • @jamesallwyndick8338
    @jamesallwyndick8338 Před rokem +3

    Great video but also FRICK YOU THORN KNEW THAT AND HE DID HIS BEST TO RETREAT TO A BETTER POSITION

  • @RorikH
    @RorikH Před rokem +7

    You don't need cover when you have plot armor on your side.

  • @celsetialarchives5909
    @celsetialarchives5909 Před rokem +3

    That roll by the clone in the 1st clip was smooth af

  • @ladywaffle2210
    @ladywaffle2210 Před rokem +3

    In defense of that Tower scene, Obi-Wan was not expecting to be ambushed. As such, while his route out of the building would normally have been covered, it was unexpectedly cut off.
    (I'm not saying anything about what Anakin did.)

  • @Timmeh010
    @Timmeh010 Před rokem +6

    its funny ive actually seen both all the starwars footage and all the used exampjes LOL

  • @ericcadman1329
    @ericcadman1329 Před rokem +2

    Points deducted for the part with Obi Wan and Vader dueling in Episode IV, sabre combat is based off of Kendo which is different than European fencing, which is what you'd do with that rapier.

  • @wargamingsupernoob
    @wargamingsupernoob Před 2 měsíci +1

    I love that you used Tactical Rifleman for the intro. Been subbed to them for years.

  • @xfinity8602
    @xfinity8602 Před rokem +11

    Can you please analyze republic commando game. It was design with military tactics. According to the behind the scenes

    • @TheRogueOneYT
      @TheRogueOneYT  Před rokem +4

      i never really played it that seriously but when i have time and the ideas i have are enough for a video... maybe^^

  • @adamallen8787
    @adamallen8787 Před rokem +2

    I’m now convinced that Dooku has a special form that looks like a fencer because of this clip of the actor

  • @miah3170
    @miah3170 Před rokem +6

    See the problem is that this was a long time ago so modern military tactics won’t apply here

  • @manithierry-mieg7600
    @manithierry-mieg7600 Před rokem +10

    People actually criticizing clone wars for not being realistic 😂😂

  • @amysunday0
    @amysunday0 Před rokem +5

    this might be the funniest shit i've seen in weeks

  • @Mr_Burns22
    @Mr_Burns22 Před rokem +2

    If Star Wars was real life, than geonosis would not have been a thing.

  • @ligma5058
    @ligma5058 Před rokem

    I'm so happy u made a new video man

  • @SlavGod47
    @SlavGod47 Před rokem +2

    This is why Rogue One is easily the best Star Wars movie for those of us well-versed in tactics, such as veterans

    • @TheRogueOneYT
      @TheRogueOneYT  Před rokem +2

      Besides it actually being a war movie it actually makes more sense then the other movies bc they thought about what they wanted to show before filming it :D

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 Před rokem

    I love your channel keep up the great stuff

  • @angelic_disappointment7889

    I hope you know the whole ANH lightsaber fight was as boring as it was because of the technological limits at the time

    • @moscanaveia
      @moscanaveia Před rokem

      ESB was a short three years later and it doesn't look like a gramps' cane bashing contest

    • @MFenix206
      @MFenix206 Před rokem

      @@moscanaveia because they made the tech better. if i understand it correctly the "blades" of the original sabers were made of *glass* so actual strikes would have been... messy...

  • @brianwilliams9431
    @brianwilliams9431 Před rokem +2

    On the door bang fbi open up killed me I looked like wait they didn't say that in that episode

  • @TheBritishPandaYT
    @TheBritishPandaYT Před 19 dny

    Christopher Lee fencing tutorials? Hell yeah

  • @chaos_anarchid
    @chaos_anarchid Před rokem +2

    this is the goddam perfect edit.

  • @Eldermaxson1
    @Eldermaxson1 Před rokem +2

    3:44 the clones have balls of steel

  • @spyfan62591
    @spyfan62591 Před 2 dny

    I can explain this, the republic used old combat manuals from the 1890's that were then used in ww1 to "great" effect.

  • @datbo1
    @datbo1 Před rokem +1

    star wars sword fights in the OT were based off of old samurai films George watched so I see why it's nothing like european swordsmanship but I don't know enough about eastern techniques to say that the OT scene is inadequate

  • @nicholaswalsh4462
    @nicholaswalsh4462 Před rokem

    Finally, someone who points out the issues Star Wars has on the tactical level.

  • @AstroKnight102
    @AstroKnight102 Před rokem +1

    "ClOnes ArE suPerIor tO sTormtRooPers" 0:23 literally misses every B1 battle droid in the room.

  • @UnknownOverwatchSoldier
    @UnknownOverwatchSoldier Před 9 měsíci

    If Gordon Freeman assist the Republic, he could defeat the CIS by himself because an extremely tactical Combine Overwatch can't even beat him.

  • @joseluissifuentes8639
    @joseluissifuentes8639 Před rokem +4

    I dare you to do a chopper kill compilation

  • @alpacaofthemountain8760
    @alpacaofthemountain8760 Před rokem +1

    “Oh this movie doesn’t have perfect realistic military tactics! It’s ruined!”
    Also lightsabers don’t weigh as much as a sword, so smaller movements can do as much damage as the hardest swing

  • @flexangelo
    @flexangelo Před rokem

    This was amazing

  • @kacperz5683
    @kacperz5683 Před rokem

    It took me half the video to realise it's ironic. 10/10

  • @the_carvinator
    @the_carvinator Před rokem +3

    Thorn didn't really have a choice about moving though

  • @sirmanmcdude508
    @sirmanmcdude508 Před rokem

    "Execute Assault Plan Delta-18!"
    "Sir, why do we have so many designations for 'Walk Forward and Shoot Blindly'?"

  • @socialpiranha9898
    @socialpiranha9898 Před rokem +3

    To be fair, the lightsaber forms work because lightsabers are omnidirectional and cut by burning, not momentum.

    • @moscanaveia
      @moscanaveia Před rokem +2

      Yet all the seven forms of lightsabre combat take momentum into account. The discussions of Makashi (Dooku's form) versus Djem So (Anakin's form) instantly spring to mind

    • @MFenix206
      @MFenix206 Před rokem

      @@moscanaveia that is more about overcoming your opponent's guards or slipping past them. an actual strike doesn't need much momentum at all to kill.

  • @TheCool_Guy23
    @TheCool_Guy23 Před rokem +1

    I still laugh at that one scene in the last season of Clone Wars, where windu and his clone troops are standing up on huge crates with zero cover, the droids are standing stock still right in front of them, both sides are firing at each other at point blank range with zero attempts to dodge or even move in any way, and both sides still miss 99% of their shots

  • @berkaltuglu8140
    @berkaltuglu8140 Před rokem +2

    Missing the legend Christopher Lee

  • @vinz4066
    @vinz4066 Před rokem +3

    Ahhhh Star wars. Aka 18th century warfare on Steroids.

  • @galaxyoni5240
    @galaxyoni5240 Před rokem +1

    “So uncivilised” “a weapon for a more civilised age”

  • @little_foxy9118
    @little_foxy9118 Před rokem +1

    Only tactic I know I'm star wars is:
    Just run in and never take cover while never hitting anything
    Stormtroopers be like

  • @florpzorp7333
    @florpzorp7333 Před rokem

    there were areas where irl practice couldn't be put to use which shows that the jedi don't know that cover helps the everyday troop but they don't understand that because they have mobile cover called a light saber

  • @justjoking5841
    @justjoking5841 Před 8 měsíci

    Even if the Republic and the Galaxy hadn't any wars in large scale (galaxy wide) obviously there would have been other wars on a planetary scale. Presumably the history of previous wars would have been saved and archived. As such the Republic and any military force would have broad access of military strategy and tactics across species and ideological boundaries.

  • @maccaronich
    @maccaronich Před rokem +2

    You completely missed them using Target Reference Points in a hasty defensive position in Landing at Point Rain

  • @Milk139
    @Milk139 Před rokem +1

    What is the old Count Dooku looking guy with the sword seem like he’s in a hotel room

  • @lassusdinnao4233
    @lassusdinnao4233 Před 6 měsíci

    Thorn is just too badass for that rules

  • @racyagentmac
    @racyagentmac Před rokem +2

    To be fair the rules of engagement of a Jedi r not the same as a trooper, it's like comparing captain America and a soldier 👍

  • @davidsuntner8862
    @davidsuntner8862 Před rokem +4

    The last bit is just BS.
    The first was an all-out attack on the retreating/regrouping seperatists. Ofcourse the AT-TE wont have cover or enough mobility to escape a missle, no matter its surroundings.
    The second AT-TE was in a convoy going somewhere, being ambushed, they were not engaging the enemy but merely just traveling. They cant react to something they do not see coming or plan ahead for it as it would make movement nearly impossible when you have to considered that the enemy ambushes you from behind every brush

    • @TheRogueOneYT
      @TheRogueOneYT  Před rokem

      Nope they were not just travelling but directly attacking grievous

    • @davidsuntner8862
      @davidsuntner8862 Před rokem +2

      @@TheRogueOneYT then point one is the same for point two. If they are having an all-out attack on grievous, which it did not seem like, maybe a chase, they would also not look for cover or have time to get to a better position as the enemy could retreat and capturing/killing him would be a gigantic win to the GAR

  • @cosmicriptid
    @cosmicriptid Před rokem +1

    Let's be honest no one in the Rebublic army had a clue what they were doing.

  • @simonnachreiner8380
    @simonnachreiner8380 Před rokem +2

    The most realistic part is the absolute failure of clone rifle qualification…wait a minute?

    • @Skeletor_the_Bigg
      @Skeletor_the_Bigg Před rokem

      AKCHYUAALLYY
      the clones rifles linked to their helmet HUDs, they just had to point their rifle at a bad guy and they’d be dead on. So firing for the hip is perfectly viable for them. But they are trained to be able to fire accurately even without their helmets assistance. The Clones were pretty much playing with aimbot, to the point that Clones joked they only existed because their helmets couldn’t pull the trigger.
      But then you think, the helmet could pull the trigger if they were droids with the same technology inside their heads.

  • @emmanuelelekwachi7879

    The Entire clone army: Lets just bum rush

  • @juggernogsoda4515
    @juggernogsoda4515 Před rokem +3

    What is rey doing 💀

  • @xd_madarauchiha1580
    @xd_madarauchiha1580 Před rokem

    Dooku teaching us how to use a sword

  • @brotherkhrayn3525
    @brotherkhrayn3525 Před rokem

    3:14 hey, that’s not the sabers you’re advertising! That’s Corridor Digital’s CGI lightsaber duel!

  • @NotoriousTim
    @NotoriousTim Před rokem +2

    It's almost like when you write something with kids in mind, you dont care about details or consistency or logic, you just do whatever looks cool/easy to animate. Maybe that appeals to some people, but I wish the majority of Star Wars was just a bit smarter and more competently written. They should at least have some military advisors or something like that to let them know how an army would function or fight.

    • @SkiRacingOz
      @SkiRacingOz Před rokem +3

      May I add that this show is by no means made for kids and has some of the darkest story lines in the whole of Star Wars and they’re bloody good too

    • @NotoriousTim
      @NotoriousTim Před rokem

      @@SkiRacingOz I'll admit it at least attempts to humanize the characters and put them in semi-interesting dilemmas but it does so in the most PG way possible. It is written FOR kids, it may be enjoyable to you, but its main demographic is children.

    • @jcanal0221
      @jcanal0221 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@NotoriousTimYou didn't watch more than the first two seasons then

    • @NotoriousTim
      @NotoriousTim Před 2 měsíci

      @@jcanal0221 I watched the show in its entirety twice, there are good moments but 90% of the show is garbage.

  • @whitewolf55673
    @whitewolf55673 Před rokem +1

    5:47
    No fair.

  • @towatchvideos5592
    @towatchvideos5592 Před rokem

    Well, it's a lot easier for a lighsaber to cut through material and you can cut with every edge of it's blade so combat would be different compared to a standard sword

  • @neofulcrum5013
    @neofulcrum5013 Před rokem +1

    Star Wars is pretty cool I think

  • @Andrew-ql4zd
    @Andrew-ql4zd Před rokem

    smthn to remember with lightsabers is unlike a sword where you have to have force behind the thrust or slash it just has to make contact with them to harm them

  • @thesupertransformer1
    @thesupertransformer1 Před rokem +4

    Yes but clones aren't cowards

  • @mitchellwright5478
    @mitchellwright5478 Před rokem

    Even in his old age, I guarantee a bout with Christopher Lee in rapier, epée or flaùret would be fucking beautiful, his lunge even when not properly stanced and as an elder is beautiful, and that’s a rapier, a whole fuck ton heavier (despite what it looks like) than the modern fencing blades, which aside from the epée is like a couple ounces

  • @amberharmsen2497
    @amberharmsen2497 Před rokem +1

    What’s with the sweet cafe music at 2:49
    I’d vibe to that in a coffee shop

    • @TheRogueOneYT
      @TheRogueOneYT  Před rokem

      The Gentleman by CZcams Music, forgott about the interpret here...

  • @henrykkeszenowicz4664
    @henrykkeszenowicz4664 Před 4 měsíci

    A lot of Clone Wars stuff is inadequate, but if in that world the galaxy hasn't seen any war in 1000 years, I can imagine the two militaries fight without knowing what they're doing. Heck, imagine getting ti fight WW2, but the last war everybody experienced is Norman conquest of England.
    How would a Byzantine general command an army that is given modern weapons and sent to fight a modern war?

  • @ThroneOfBhaal
    @ThroneOfBhaal Před rokem

    Huh...
    Better order some more clones.

  • @cosmicriptid
    @cosmicriptid Před rokem

    In fairness to the lightsabers they are lasers which penetrate with the need for force since they meet no resistance.

  • @marcoalfs9213
    @marcoalfs9213 Před rokem

    UF Pro HTH technics in Star Wars? Sure, why not?