This needs to be stressed more given the state of most Muslim countries today. There are numerous examples from the Quran, Sunnah, conduct of the Rashidun caliphs as well as Muslim scholars that shura in the political sense was the default position until it was hijacked by the Umayyads. None of the caliph's sons inherited the position (nor were they expected to) and Umar purposely excluded his own son Abdullah who served on the nominating Committee of Six only in an advisory capacity. Islamic law is clear about the fact that the leader is a representative of the people, governing on behalf of the people, for the people and enforcing their collective will bound by a contract (bay'ah) which could only be legitimate if based on shura plus equality before the law. The age of empire (Umayyads and Abbasids) as well as totalitarian power grabs are deviations .. History is not a testament against the Medina period .. Medina is a testament against (deviant) history. Simply put.
I have great respect for Dr Shabir Ally as I have come across many of his lectures and debates on video. The good Dr would make a great christian some day.
The only important thing in democracy, it is the voting of the people eventhough if it is prohibeted in Islam, so we can say that Islam and democracy both are special axis for managing governments.
Voting is not haram, it is what you vote for. The word haram means that there is a clear indication or indications from the text applied with general or specific understanding
This needs to be stressed more given the state of most Muslim countries today. There are numerous examples from the Quran, Sunnah, conduct of the Rashidun caliphs as well as Muslim scholars that shura in the political sense was the default position until it was hijacked by the Umayyads. None of the caliph's sons inherited the position (nor were they expected to) and Umar purposely excluded his own son Abdullah who served on the nominating Committee of Six only in an advisory capacity. Islamic law is clear about the fact that the leader is a representative of the people, governing on behalf of the people, for the people and enforcing their collective will bound by a contract (bay'ah) which could only be legitimate if based on shura plus equality before the law. The age of empire (Umayyads and Abbasids) as well as totalitarian power grabs are deviations .. History is not a testament against the Medina period .. Medina is a testament against (deviant) history. Simply put.
this is an insightfull comment. tq
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The better question to ask is if democracy itself is really a good thing. Which it isn't.
Yes. It is.
Abolishing slavery is a democratic thing. Giving women rights to vote is democratic. Paying people fair wages is democratic.
For me the question wasent clearly answered. Maybe I missed something.
I have great respect for Dr Shabir Ally as I have come across many of his lectures and debates on video. The good Dr would make a great christian some day.
Barry Ford you would make a great Muslim brother.
@@lighttube8285 exactly 😂❤
The only important thing in democracy, it is the voting of the people eventhough if it is prohibeted in Islam,
so we can say that Islam and democracy both are special axis for managing governments.
Voting is not haram, it is what you vote for. The word haram means that there is a clear indication or indications from the text applied with general or specific understanding
Who says voting is prohibited in Islam
Democracy is man made , sharia is law of the creator
Sharia-1 democracy -00000
Both are man made, only that the former doesnt worship a god and gives freedom, the other is oppressive
THIS IS YOUR ISLAM.THIS WOMEN 100%haram.
Yes they hide & misinterpret to suit their status quo. They are foolwing their desires.
They are father and Daughter brother
dumb peoples 😑😑
Sounds more like socialism