Who Wants the Caliphate? With Professor Ovamir Anjum
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*Timestamps / Chapters*
0:00 Introduction (+ background of the guest)
1:17 Reading the opening paragraph of Prof. Anjum's article "Who Wants the Caliphate?"
3:27 Topic: Who Wants the Caliphate?
7:26 Is the Caliphate normative for Muslims? If so, is it the same for both Sunni's & Shīʿa's?
12:26 What about the self proclaimed "Islamic State"? Can anyone be a Caliphate?
15:22 The Prophet ﷺ warning about a future group of Muslims who would kill other Muslims
17:26 The Ottoman Caliphate in today's political climate
20:20 What are the functions of a Caliphate?
26:45 Side point: Is the Caliph an absolute ruler, i.e., a "dictator"?
31:15 Continued: What are the functions of a Caliphate?
35:17 Pluralism in a Caliphate vs in a secular state
41:34 Who sets the moral code / law in a nation state?
43:54 Why is the discourse about the Caliphate missing among Western Muslim prominents'?
49:41 Article: Who Wants The Caliphate?
50:07 Book: The Inevitable Caliphate? By Riza Pankhurst
50:45 Book: Politics, Law and Community In Islamic Thought by Ovamir Anjum
51:00 Is it right to hope for the Caliphate? Interest in the Caliphate in light of situations around the world
57:47 American founding fathers not exactly "democratic". Why not a Caliphate after some hundred years?
1:01:01 Reimagining the Caliphate not far-fetched in the 21st century
1:01:34 Conclusion
_May Allah ﷻ bless everyone involved in this video: the viewers and of course, our dear Br Paul and Prof. Anjum_
Many thanks!
I don't know who you are,
but Alhamdulillah!
Thank you for the time stamps bro
Let's pray for good tiding for our Ummah
I dream of a caliphate in my life time. With one central government and provinces spread far and wide .... One Islam one nation.
Thats terorist ideology in the world
i dream of it everyday bro, could you imagine how peaceful, prosperous and militarily strong the ummah will be under a caliphate? we have nukes, resources, oil etc. just imagine the caliphate refusing to sell our resources, oil to the west.
لا اله إلا اله محمد رسول الله
One day , by Allah willing ,the dream will become true. Ameen
@@mattykress9613 Yes brother, Alhumdulillah even I dream of a Caliphate everyday and I pray that may Allah establish a strong Caliphate and make us the witness of it during our lifetime. Ameen
@@agussandi1542 Please, your Indonesian toxic nationalist secularist individualist egoist ideology that sees Islam as being nothing more but something that you inherit from your parents and thus can be injected with paganistic values and rituals that completely go against the tawheed, while hiding behind the rhetoric of "preserving ancient Indonesian culture and traditions" has no place in the global Muslim community. Indonesian Muslims are great, but sadly from what i've seen quite a lot of them has been poisoned by this "Islam nusantara" ideology that puts nationalism and tribalism in front of Islam and disregarding the discrimination and the struggle of the Muslim ummah globally. You obviously didn't watch the entire video because you have this preconceived notion of the caliphate being synonymous only with Isis, which is the result of the toxic nationalist anti caliphate propaganda that your government has been pushing. Why do you prefer the Muslim ummah to be divided, controlled by capitalism and consumerism, persecuted by islamophobes and oppressed by the hypocrite secularist governments when the caliphate can unite the ummah and help the ummah to achieve the Islamic golden age again?. The caliphate is required religiously, feasible and in fact necessary to solve the many immediate problems that the ummah is facing.
May Allāh bless this Ummah and strengthen it and solidify its leaders and unite the global Muslim community! ❤️
May Allah grant us a khilafa even though some will not like it.
This is an example of you coming across something accidentally which you didn't know you needed so much.Thank you so very much Paul.
Another thought provoking discussion. Allah bless you both. Especially you brother Paul for the platform bringing this topic to the forefront on the minds of the Ummah.
totally useless subject. Never gonna happen without a helluva lot of violence aka ISIS.
Spot on and much needed! Thanks Paul
Narrated Abu Musa:
The Prophet said, "A faithful believer to a faithful believer is like the bricks of a wall, enforcing each other." While (saying that) the Prophet clasped his hands, by interlacing his fingers
Sahih al-Bukhari 481
@bloggingtheology, thanks Paul for the wonderful surprise of this dialogue! Ovamir was my college friend in University, then, he was a very intelligent, deeply religious brother. My warm regards to him!
It was narrated by Ahmed in his Musnad, from Al-Nu’man b. Bashir, who said: “We were sitting in the mosque of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ, and Bashir was a man who did not speak much, so Abu Tha’labah Al-Khashnee came and said: ‘Oh, Bashir bin Sa’ad, have you memorized the words of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ regarding the rulers?’ Huthayfah replied, ‘I have memorized his words’.
So Abu Tha’labah sat down and Huthayfah said, ‘There will be Prophethood for as long as Allah wills it to be, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be Khilafah on the Prophetic method and it will be for as long as Allah wills, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be biting rule (ملكًا عاضًا) for as long as Allah Wills, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be oppressive rule (ملكًا جبرية) for as long as Allah wills, then he will remove it when He wills, and then there will be Khilafah upon the Prophetic method.’ Then he ﷺ was silent.”
mashaalah may Allah help us akhi , thank you for this narration
@Master Expert insha'Allah
Fascinating talk again. Very educational for me. I need to expand my vocabulary to better understand Islam and its history it seems. Thank you.
Damn brother paul be putting out amazing discussions one after the another. Love it ❤️
Very striking title... lets go
A timely discussion for the Ummah by two luminaries . Many positive take aways in the end brother :)
Many thanks Sarfraaz Khan!
Excellent discussion Paul! I hope you can hold other sessions on this topic of Chaliphate, a very much misunderstood and misused word. The Prof really had shed some light on the real meaning of it.
Thank you again for this video, the political entity of Muslim post Ottomans empire is a question irking every Muslim in the past 100 years (I was reading Rachid Reda articles back in the early 1900s and it is literal the same issues and questions we are having today). This fell led to the rise of political Islam movement as a reaction to the fall of Caliphate and their experiments in the middle east were attempts to answer the question of Caliphate, the obvious answer is to Islamize modern nation states (keep everything intact just add an Islamic label). The Arab spring brought some of them to governance but since the structure of nation state is inherently non Islamic, and the problems of post colonial states face the experiment failed politically and a lot of critics for them is now the hot topic on why modern Islamic movements fails, the current modern discourse is trying to think of a substitute of nation state to define a modern way of Caliphate that works with Islamic governance. Not to mention the idea itself is scary to non Muslims and regional powers, last time Muslims had a big political entity, the world was something else and certainly they don't want 1 billion Muslims sharing faith transcending culture, language and race to be collectively pursuing their own interests. And it is not only the US where the C word is a taboo, talking seriously about it in the middle east could label you extremist at best and you could disappear the next day at worst. Wael Halaq work is definitely prestigious in the educated circles in the middle east, you can check a lot of works in this but they are all around the modernity and criticizing it using post-modern discourse, analyzing the nation states, analogy between liberalism and religions in a sense Liberalism is just a secular religion with clergy, theology, morality and apostacy laws (check Carl Schmitt political theology for example) and there are Islamic attempts derived from the Islamic heritage. What I want to say.. this is basically one of the toughest question for Muslims since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. But again the video was enjoyable and covers a lot in a limited time.
You want your country to look like Syria or Afghanistan? No? Then shut up about Caliphate.
Thank you Paul for the great conten.
For more comprehensive understanding about the caliphate Hizbu ut tahrir should be invited for a discussion.
Many thanks
Absolutely agree with this.
Do you mean that whose founder is sheik Taquddin annabhani?
May Allah The Merciful bless Paul and his Channel for his wonderful work.
Thank you both for an outstanding lecture
Shukran.really enjoyed this discussion..amazing work.God bless you 2
This episode really strike me to the cord.
Jazakallah tabarakallah paul.
MashaAllah this was a much needed topic, finally talking about some potential solutions rather than our countless problems at the moment. It is quite telling and unfortunate so many of our Imams and scholars are silent about this issue today which is in complete contrast to some of our greatest Ulema who accounted the leaders of their time and were ostracized for it...
Caliphate is no solution for Muslims. Any attempt to force unity will only cause more disunity and hatred. At no time after Islam left the Arabian Penninsular was it united under one leader from Morocco to Indonesia. So why should it happen now? Concentrate on your own ibadath eg. namaz and forget political power.
Very much needed topic as so many Muslims ignorant about which enemies and hypocrites badly destroyed from Muslims education system.
Look forward more of this.
InnshaaAllah
The final words "this was lovely" :).
Indeed it was.
Keep up the good work Paul.
Keep up the high quality content Paul, may Allah SWT bless you and your efforts!
Every true Muslim want the Khilafat.
Well said.
"Saudi rulers are extricating Islam from their DNA" (:59). How true! Eloquently said, brother Ovamir. May Allah bless and protect you.
He was not successful in this statement as the Saudi King's never claimed they are Caliphate for all Muslims.. This researcher is expressing his opinion and not all of his points are necessary accurate. Caliphate System is not part of religious deeds and is not obligations from the Two altimate sources Quran and the Sunna; Alot of matters specially those connected with traditions and life styles are not ruled by Quran simply because it's changing by time according to the human nature development remember! thus the governing system can be developed since the concepts are not contradict with Islamic Jurisprudence..
@@obaidshz
You need to change your eye glasses or wear some if you don’t. He hadn’t said what you understood. He said they “extricate Islam (not Khilagah) from their DNA”. If you still dispute this fact after this explanation you need to read about what they do on relationship to Islam and Muslims. But remember to change your glasses or wear them.
@@mab9739 this is the problem of Saudi Arabia they make their government part of the religion for some movement,so to criticize Saud is somewhat criticize their theology.
@@mab9739 Saudi are returning to more traditional Sunni Islam from their decades long dalliance with extremist and bigoted Wahhabism that denounces everything as shirk and innovation. They are joing the 21st century eg. women allowed to drive and travel without a male guardians permission, listening to music festivals and wear halloween costumes, if they wish. There was no future to being a restrictive and isolated Wahhabi freakshow. The young people want more freedoms.
@@obaidshzcaliphate is a necessity in this age because Zionists and the US are controlling Muslims and their natural and human resources .
Awesome observations
May Allah reward you abundantly.
Another Very Informative podcast, mashallah! Learned much from it! May Allah SWT reward you for it!
What a session!
This channel brings intellectual life to a brain dead world!
No
Nice topic and guest.
What a wonderful talk. Each new speaker becomes a new favorite. May Allah reward brother Paul, you're on a roll. I've never heard of Prof. Anjum, but he leaves quite the impression Mashallah. I love his insights & adherence to the tradition.
For more clarification:
Imamah (leadership) is a shared doctrine among Sunnis & other sects except the Khawarij, who deny the legitimacy of the Imam.
The main differences between Shia & Sunni conception of Imam (leader), is that Sunnis believe the Imam is appointed by election of the Muslim community & not scripturally appointed, whereas the Shia believe he is appointed by scripture. Particularly, the Imamyah believe the Imams (leaders) are specifically appointed by scripture by name or designation (such as the Twelvers of today, although other Imamyah sects extinct today shared the same beliefs). The Zaydyah believe the Imams are only generally appointed to be among the Prophet (pbuh)'s household.
Ahad Hadith is not the singular chain Hadith. Ahad are all hadiths which do not fulfill the condition of Tawatur (congruence of sensory testimonies from a great number of sources, such that it is inconceivable they could have all conspired to tell the same lie, at each level throughout the chain of transmission.). Ahad Hadith, in terms of diversity in chains is categorized into 5 types accordingly:
Mustafid = with a great number of chains & many narrators at each & every level of the Isnad, though they fall short of the Tawatur condition.
Mashhur = with a great numbers of chains & more than 3 narrators at each & every level of the Isnad.
Aziz = with several chains & 2 narrators or more at each & every level of the Isnad.
Gharib = with only one narrator at one level of the Isnad.
Fard = with only one original narrator at the first level of Isnad.
The connection of Erdogan to the Ottoman caliphate is interesting. Although this understanding is common knowledge in my world, it's virtually absent among the people. I'll try not to expand too much, but it must be understood that the Islamic Civilization is that which traces its origin to the beloved Prophet (pbuh). There are two institutions in our History which define this lineage or Isnad. The Islamic State, aka Caliphate, whose Isnad goes back to the Prophet (pbuh) in the secular realm, epitomized in Khulafa (prophetic successors). & the Islamic Tradition, whose prophetic Isnad is in the religious realm, epitomized in Ulama or Waratha (scholars, or prophetic inheritors), particularly the saints among them, like the great Imams (like the four, ghazali, jilani, rifai, shathili, razi...etc). Throughout our history these two institutions kept the Islamic Civilization living, in tandem. In the secular Isnad, prophetic successors (Caliphs) would wear the Prophet's (pbuh) ring to symbolize authority & legitimacy. When his ring was lost (it fell in the well of Unays at the time of Uthman (ra)), the Umayad, Abbasid & Ottoman caliphis would wear his Burda (cloak), his turban & his sword upon coronation to establish legitimacy (sometimes also hold his flag). When the Caliphate was abolished, these items were handed to the inheritors to keep the Isnad going until the next caliph comes. Today these are in the possession of the Ottoman Naqshabandi Sufi Tariqa, who are actively waiting for the next caliph. Sometimes these are displayed in the Topkapi museum for visitors to witness. - Back to Erdogan, he was given permission to open the Burda chest the 27th of Ramadan every year as a revival of the Ottoman tradition, albeit he can not wear it. Whoever ends up wearing the Burda will effectively become the next caliph, whether Erdogan gets there or not, the Isnad of the prophet's secular authority today rests with the Ottomans still, until they cede it to the next dynasty, like the Abbasids did for them.
As to the Caliph's role. The prophet (pbuh) said, "the caliphs are twelve", understood as the prophetic or complete caliphs are only twelve. A caliph's role & authority gets closer to the Imam's theoretical understanding the closer he is indeed to that designation. Some of the required condition on an Imam:
1. To be a Muslim adult free male.
2. To be pious & not sin publicly.
3. To be politically able, have the wisdom to rule.
4. To rule according to the prophetic example.
5. To be a Mujtahid (a religious savant).
6. To be elected by all Muslims.
7. To be from Quraysh.
>>> The closer a caliph is in fulfilling these conditions, the closer he is to a prophetic Imam. The last condition is lost among the Ottomans for instance, the 6th since the early Abbasid caliphs, the 5th since al-Mamun (the 5th Abbasid caliph) & so on...
As to, is the Caliph a despotic or absolute ruler? In the Sunni tradition & historically, the answer is NO. The Islamic Caliphate traditionally had 5 separate albeit connected anchors of power:
Hukm = ruling power, is the source of Authority in the state, it belonged to the Caliphate dynasty & particularly to the appointed Caliph, it commanded loyalty & authority among all Muslims (or most).
Syasa = administrative power, is the source of Governance in the state, it generally belonged to the Diwan or court of the Caliph, & his ministers, governors, generals...etc.
Shura = consultative power, is the source of Consultation in the state, it belonged to Ahl Hal wal Aqd, aka the representatives of the people, including tribal chiefs, scholars, experts, poets, religious patriarchs, high officials...etc.
Ilm = legislative power, is the source of Legislation in the state, it belonged to the ulama: jurists, theologians...etc.
Qadaa = judicial power, is the source of Justice in the state, it belonged to the judges, who are effectively ulama appointed by the state.
The above institution functioned independently in the Muslim Caliphate, sometimes more harmoniously sometimes at odds, & sometimes in cahoots as well. But, these offered a great deal of stability in the Muslim world. A caliph still represents authority & unity, even if he does not govern his domain. Governors thus can be toppled & generals removed in power struggles, yet the ruling dynasty stays.
As to the future of the Caliphate. We know the Caliphate will come back, the same way we knew it would disappear, for the beloved Prophet (pbuh) said: "rulership among you will be prophetic among you for thirty years, then a successive rulership, then a despotic rulership, then it will go back to the prophetic rulership again". Successive (adudan) means the next from the previous one without interruption. Despotic means arbitrary & illegitimate, which is what we are living today. Whether the latter prophetic rulership will come after a successive rulership or straight away, Allahu A'lam, but it will come back. The only obstacle to the existence of the Caliphate is Western hegemony, in the absence of which the Caliphate is simply a matter of course.
As to the future of the world & the Muslims in it. What made the Muslims lose their global dominion they had for 10 centuries is coming back sooner than later, particularly:
1. Population: a 100 years ago, when the Caliphate was abolished, two thirds of global urban population resided in the West, several times that of Muslim urban population. Today, the Muslim world has twice the population of the West, & a larger urban population. In few decades, the Muslim world will have four times the West's today & urban population.
2. Trade: since the 17th century, global trade has shifted from the lands to the seas, which contributed greatly to the decline of the Muslim world & the rise of the West, as they emerged victorious in the maritime struggle. However, increasingly today, trade is shifting back to land at fast pace, especially with the Belt & Road Initiative, away from the seas. The Muslim world is located in the center of all land trade, between Europe, South Asia, East Asia & Southern Africa.
3. Resources: much of the world's resources are in the Muslim world, especially Energy. With waining Western influence, the control of these resources will go back to Muslims.
This was a great read, thank you!
U r very smart 😊you should write a book!
Mashaallah the professor he is very intelligent and he is very right of what he says Alhamdulilah, thank you Paul
This is a great discussion. I look forward to reading the article. I am a curious to see how the author defines the Muslims American community.
Fascinating topic and guest. Bravo
Masha Allah
Great conversation. May Allah keep us strong and united on the right path.
I got a chance to learn from Dr. Anjum while living in Toledo. Great personality MashAllah.
You provide such great services within the boundaries of your profession that these blessings that my Lord Rahim bestows on a person who has lived in blasphemy until a relatively certain age brings tears to my eyes in almost every interview, regardless of the subject you talk about.
Jazakum Allah khair Paul
A gem for humanity
Salaam only one God and it's Allah SWT love here from South Africa Johannesburg pray 5 times a day. Love all
Allah bless you . Ameen
Thanks Paul for this.
Paul, any chance you can get James Tour for his amazing views of the origin of life?
Interesting discussion
More of this please!
JazakaAllahu khayr
brother paul, more on this topic please.
Thank you.
I pray his return... In Sha Allah in my Time
Very nice program
Great talk.
I have a quearion:
Why dont the United Emirates become a caliphate or Indonesia?
Very good question!
Please invite Sheikh imran hossain... A great thinker and great scholar of ummah
Thanks
Many thanks Mohamed Mahmoud Issa!
Thats a Good Question.....mostly muslims just need a good establishment of government, so ulul amri can be said as caliphate in the past, so in today with syaria law.
The Prophet peace be upon him said “Between one who dies seeking knowledge in order to revive Islam and the Prophets in heaven is but one step.” May Allah grant you and us that noble status.
السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ
Assalamu’alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
Wa alaykumu s-salam
Dr Ovamir talks about taking advice from the west about pluralism... perhaps studying the concept of Dhimmi would help him to understand that the Prophet (saw) gave a clear system for the protection of non Muslims. The west hasn't even been able to end racism!
I hope you would bring on Prf Wael Hallaq on this topic
ME!
*_The Islamic Khilafah is the natural progression towards solving the problems faced by humanity._*
In my view and what I’ve learned from scholars in my country, the only caliphs are the (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali) the Rashidun Caliphate, and after them they are just Sultans and khans and kings
Caliphate is the basic ground for Muslim political philosophy.....but the political science of politics can be diverse and circumstantial(the Syariah has wide latitude in secular matters).......to duplicate exactly one caliphate system to the other era of Muslim governance is sheer fundamentalism in thinking
That means if you loose your foundation the whole structure collapses n becomes debris like we see muslims community today around the world.
@@cooldude3421 , that’s exactly why you find so many despots, kleptocrats, megalomaniacs etc etc helming the muslims countries…..the Muslims have ignored the political philosophy of caliphate in their politics
Summa Takunu Khilafat alaa minhaaj-un-nabuwwa. ☝️
@21:50 it is completely incorrect to refer to 3 types or forms of the Caliphate. Only the Khulufah al-Rashidun correctly and legitimately deserves this title. The other types of Muslim rule - exemplified by the Ummayyads, Abassids and Ottomans - were basically imperial dynasties which applied some aspects of Muslim law etc, but contradicted the expectations required of the Qur'an in many respects, particularly due to their lack of accountability, consultation and transparency; unlike the case for the Khulufah al-Rashidun.
His name is Sheikh Al-Islam because his influence was very great in the Islamic library and the industry of scholars
His book on Christianity, Shiites, aleaqida, and fatwas is one of the important references for scholars in our modern age.
He is one of the most famous Muslim scholars who criticized the Greek philosophers, and because of him, Muslims returned to the Qur’an and the Sunnah with the understanding of the first generations instead of being influenced by eilm alkalam
One of the most important students of Sheikh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah :
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya (691 AH - 751 AH) the well-known jurist, the owner of the famous potty, Zad al-Ma’ad, and other long-mentioned works.
Ibn Katheer al-Dimashqi (701 AH - 774 AH), the author of the famous interpretation ( Interpretation of the Koran )
, the book al-Bidaya wa al-Nihayah fi al-Tarikh, and others.
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Hadi al-Maqdisi (704 AH - 744 AH), author of the book “Al-Muharrir fi Al-Hadith” and other books.
Shams al-Din al-Dhahabi (673 AH - 748 AH), the author of the Sir Flags of the Nobles, and the history of Islam.
Jamal al-Din al-Mazi (654 AH - 742 AH) is the author of Tahdhib al-Kamal, one of the most important books on which hadith scholars rely.
Muhammad ibn Muflih al-Maqdisi (708 AH - 763 AH) his book al-Furoo’ is one of the books approved by the jurists of the Hanbali school of thought, and he has other books.
Ahmad ibn al-Hasan, known as Ibn Qadi al-Jabal (693 AH - 771 AH), authored a number of works on jurisprudence and its origins, and was a brilliant debater.
Among his disciples:
Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali (736 AH - 795 AH) is the author of Fath al-Bari Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, and he has well-known and well-known letters. He studied on Ibn al-Qayyim and Ibn Abd al-Hadi
ibn Taymya was regarded as unorthodox and divergent from the norm for centuries, until Saudi beduin cleric, ibn Abdul Wahhab, popularized it.
@@saturn724Ibn Kathir
Ibn Hajar
Imam Al-Dhahabi
IBN DAQIQ AL-'ID
Ibn Qayyim
They all praised him and more long before Ibn Abdul Wahhab
@@saturn724 Wrong, Ibn Taymiyyah was influenced by Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, who was influenced by the companions of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh
Sheikh Muhammad Abdul Wahhab was influenced by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah ،
Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were Bedouins and they taught the nation Islam and spread its message on camels from China to the borders of France
Arabs take pride in their Bedouin history, they build skyscrapers and spend time with their camels
They know the history of the camels that helped them in the jihad and spread the message of Islam
Therefore, do not think that the Bedouins are insulting to them. Rather, is it a reflection of their strength in enduring difficult environmental conditions, and it is what refined their courage and strength.
Therefore, the Arabs of the desert were able to bring down the two largest empires at that time and in approximately one year
But for the Saudi accusation, I concur with the opinions of Dr Ovimir entirely. And am not a saudi.
That's where we go for our pilgrimage for Allah's sake. And visits the two haramain.
They need to be included, supported and even encourage, certainly not taunted while they provide all the protections for our heritage.
In fact the caliphate must as a necessity begins from there.
I rest my case.
And Islam as a governing system came to dominate over all other governing systems.
Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم also foretold that, at this precise point, the Muslim nation would transition from a caliphate to a monarchy. “The caliphate will be for thirty years, then there will be a monarchy after that. Ibn Ḥanbal, Musnad Aḥmad, 31:178 a ḥasan (acceptable) chain according to al-Arna’ūṭ in the comments
Ḥudhayfah ibn al-Yamān reported that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said, “Prophethood will remain amongst you for as long as Allah wishes. Then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it, and there will be a caliphate upon the prophetic methodology. It will last for as long as Allah wishes it to last, then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it. Then there will be an abiding dynasty, and it will remain for as long as Allah wishes it to remain. Then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it. Then there will be forceful monarchy, and it will remain for as long as Allah wishes it to remain. Then He will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it, and then there will be a caliphate upon the prophetic methodology. Ibn Ḥanbal, Musnad Aḥmad, 30:355 ḥasan (acceptable) chain according to al-Arna’ūṭ in the comments.
Well the question is what is meant by “monarchy”. Monarchy means the attainment of power from lineage. However, this doesn’t mean that the rules and laws will be set out by other than what Allah has revealed. There are some ahadith affirming that Muawiyah was the first “king” too, but this is because of the way that he attained the bayah (ie through force and death threats). And he gave the bayah to his son etc. this does not denote a) the non-existence of the khilafah or b) structural differences between the khilafah and “monarchy” in this Hadith. Muawiyah still ruled by what Allah revealed, and ensured that the lands were secured by the Muslimeen - therefore it is best to understand this Hadith as a caliph on the method of the prophet is he who attains power correctly and governs with the justice of the 4; if you do not, then you’re still a caliph by de facto of your position as amiral mumineen, but your not a caliph on the method of prophethood.
Also the translation that you have used is slightly off. Because it says “mulk un aadun” - “mulk” is not referring to the condition of the oppressive ruler, but the kingship (biting kingship) as mulk generally, not exclusively , means king. In essence however, my point is that one has to assess the reality of their situation against the criteria of the Quran and Sunnah holistically to understand ahadith regarding siyasah. A “mulk” doesn’t deny a caliphate for example. An oppressive rule today doesn’t deny a caliphate either - we have to look at the reality of what the rulers rule by to see if they are caliphs (they’re clearly not).
Furthemore, just because the ahadith has layed out these phases, this ahadith is not hukm sharii and therefore do not tell us how to act. We should strive to reeseablish the khilafah as it is a fard kifayah, and as for the fard that is not completed, those who have the capacity to even do little are punished
I know there’s ikhtilaaf about this issue, but this is the strongest opinion I have seen. And Allah knows best
@@ej8530 %100 agree. and we all can agree that we are now living tyrannical rule in all muslim ummah.
For a caliphate to be effective,you need a critical mass of practising mu’mins -a very rare species nowadays
Never mind me. I just stamps time points to come back later
37:00
42:00
57:00
The disunity in the Muslim world is shocking, near 2 billion Muslims aren't going to agree on one caliph. That didn't happen for the last 1000 years!
For the last 1250 years...
God knows and you know not.
You are wrong, Oman has the longest Shura of all Muslim nations. It is was the only one unique nations which has caliphate for over 1200 years. The caliphate is not like the Othman Sultan who come from blood kind but rather an ordinary man elected by special Shura Council. Muslims should learned from this unique experience that never been imitate anywhere else
@@SamSam-mv6gf What khilafah in Oman? A caliph is someone who has majority bayah across the Muslim world. Oman has a Sultanate, and is a very good and balanced country, but definitely isn't khilafah, neither do they claim it.
@@AK_UK_ Go read its history, othman asked for help from Oman to liberate Basrah in Iraq. Oman used to control over 120000 miles from Pakistan to all Eastern Africa. It was superpower that the English the American and the French wants relationship.
We musn't forget that the establishment of the Khalifate is not the responsibility of the awarm, ie. the people, it is the responsibility of leaders and people of knowledge - it must happen with leadership and not through the likes of HT etc. who have not even a basic grasp of the issue and led by charlatans.
Nice presentation. It could have been richer though if it touched on the notion of caliphate in the Quran (from Adam to David for example). The caliphate has proven to be the biggest trial for Muhammad’s ﷺ nation. It has been unsuccessful since year 632 (despite its alleged presence till 1924). Only Almighty God promises that it will return successful once again and further become dominant:
“And We wanted to confer favor upon those who were oppressed in the land and make them leaders and make them inheritors” (Quran 28:5)
“It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.” (Quran 9:33)
I don’t think you understand what a caliphate is from your statements.
I personally think Muslims shouldn't attempt to revive the caliphate despite the need, until there imam arrives & his signs have been well detailed in the hadith. Otherwise any caliphate revival attempts by muslims might end up like the numerous Jewish attempts to revive David's kingdom without the true Messiah. Failure. Barcocbar, shabtai tzevi, among others.
Many revival attempts are funded by the enemy like the adf in Uganda, Islamic state, boko haram, etc.
It's our responsibility to form a caliphate , no ones gonna do that for us
Salam Paul 😃
Could you perhaps invite Professor Wael Hallaq (h) on? Not sure if you’re familiar with his body of work, but I’d advise starting with his book Shariah; Theory, Practise, Transformations (2009). He is an academic scholar of the highest order and has a lot of valuable insights to the predicament of Modernity. Well worth introducing your audience to him.
Wassalam.
Hallaq is a Christian Arab.
@@ankhmorpok1497 yes that’s correct. Make dua he one day declares his Shahadah and that we altogether meet Allah ﷻ upon sincere Imaan.
At 2:03...I don't understand about it being a "SHOCK."
Didn't the ARABS conspire with the British to get away from Ottoman Empire control?
Also, the PERSIANS were constantly fighting the Ottoman Empire.
Didn't The Ottoman Empire have in fighting for independence against the Empire?
The infighting wasn't for independence or the Caliphate to be over, it was for redirection of the Caliphate towards the Arabs.
Lawrence of Arabia lied to them and encouraged infighting.Told them that this will shift Caliphate towards them.
However,the West's acrual plan was to abolish Caliphate.
Since there was lack of Upholding of Islamic Principles and introducing Innovations in Religion, that the Saljuk,
(The Forefathers of Ottoman ,who primarily qualified for the Post of Caliphate on merit) Neither agreed or even followed in the past.
He Aaron have
@@mohamedsmaili297 hello Mohamed. I understand that to mean yes. (I am only able to speak and write English. I wish I could handle more than 1 language)
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Sorry Aaron but i was asking about my last question , do you think that we can reach the time of the return of the Messiah?
@@mohamedsmaili297 That is a really good question. You may have a better chance than me. I would love to be able to reach that time.
Caliphate is about Muslim gaining political agency as religious community, not just an ethnic or tribal community. West is opposed to Muslim realising the former conception and in fact hostile to it, and with the consent and help from Muslim ranks; it is simply for a reason that former will unite Muslim as single polity that is more resilient individually manipulating these tribal or ethnic groupings.
Salam Brother Paul,
Have you thought of doing a couple of discussions on the credibility of Shia Islam? It will be helpful for some of us that want to know the history and veracity of Islamic ideologies/schools we follow.
Ammar Nakshawani PhD and Syed Jawad Qazwini maybe good humble people to invite. Will be delighted to see talks with them.
yesss..we want khalifah
"We Muslims, I submit, must reimagine the caliphate as a confederation of governments in the core regions of Islam that protects a range of human rights for all, provides political and economic stability to these regions, and allows Muslims to develop a variety of local political arrangements while embracing the larger religious and cultural unity of these regions. "
This could go a in a good direction.
I remember the worst fears in Tarek Fatah's "Chasing a Mirage. The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State"
"The audience of more than two thousand young Canadian Muslims, many of them associated with the Muslim Students Association (MSA), carefully segregated into male and female sections, listened in awe. Suwaidan used elaborate charts to draw projections about the impending collapse of the West. His words were worrisome, but the response to his speech by the young Muslim Canadians was deeply troubling. They lustily cheered the Kuwaiti Islamist as he predicted the doom of the very civilization these young men and women were living in. "
Know-it-all idealists planning a theocracy because of the collapse of democracy has not really worked. Universal Human Rights and Equality under the law seem much more promising.
@@etzelkaplan9677 If the mideast united there would not be much the west could do about it. You cannot blame all the division in the mideast on "The West".
Sad events like the recent suicide bombing of a Shia mosque, for example, cannot really be blamed on "the west".
The mideast is absolutely part of the mideast being divided. Religion is part of that, but there are more factors.
@@etzelkaplan9677 Sad as it was and worked out. I do not think you can only blame the west. And many attempts from the West did not wrk out at all, and sometimes had opposite effects.
@@etzelkaplan9677 I'm sorry you feel that way. In what way? Do you expect "The West" to decide who governs in Syria?
@@etzelkaplan9677 CIA=USA which is not the same as "The West". I am from "The West" but see the CIA as purely American.
wait are you suggesting that the caliphate is not a good idea ?
Working to re-establish the caliphate is an obligation on the neck of every Muslim. The scholars have called this fard assassi. Not ruling by Islam means we rule by kufr. Not having a single caliph means we have over 50 corrupt rulers who keep us and our lands divided. The caliphate is the only answer for the Muslim problem.
أمير is just a commander, not necessarily a military commander
Caliphate is a divine (God-appointed) position in the Quran. It has been always there even if like the sun behind the clouds. It was many times successful like the sunshine. Only, it was dominant twice in the past (as in the Quran): first with Adam whom Almighty God reunited his pure progeny and made them dominant in the heavens (angels submitted but satan deserved eternal curse). Then with David who reunited the children of Israel and made them dominant in the land. The third and last time will be in the future with the Imam who will reunite the children of Ishmael and make them dominant in the land.
Firstly, the caliphate is exactly not a divine position. It’s a political position, whereby the ummah (more precisely, the alhali wal akhi) chooses the leader to manage the affairs of the believers collectively, ensuring that Islam is being implemented at a societal, economic and political level; that Islam is being defended, both in concept and from enemies; that Islam spreads to other lands and brings the hukm of Allah where there’s no justice. They are the successors of Muhammad (pbuh) as per the ahadith. You haven’t a clue on what you’re talking about unfortunately.
The previous caliphs were either just or unjust - yet the obligation to obey them in times of struggle and times of ease remained (ikhtilaaf on whether you’re allowed to depose an unfit ruler, and what criteria must be fulfilled in order to do so). This systematic model did exist until the end of WW1. Those who say differently are either ignorant of history, or believe that the caliph is a spiritual role for the ummah. You fall in both of these categories and Allah knows best
@ E J
What you have presented is only man-made history. Worse more, it is similar to the propaganda of the cursed Umayyads and their present inheritors. If you want to know about the divine concepts of Khilafah and Imamah, you have to start reading Quran carefully. Only those who read and don’t try to understand are ignorant.
To many concerns on how Islamic fundamentalist would accept single Caliph to govern them all without wars and dispute. Yet the same caliph could reign over other religions justly.
The question now, who are to blame? A Caliph or us who continuously dispute one another on who's right and wrong.
Though Christian have many denominations and have fought wars in history, eventually they came to a term of respecting each other fundamentals and not bombing each other churches.
When Islam mature to that point, i dont see why a caliphate ruler should not be implemented.
It depends from which aspect you’re talking.
If you’re a Muslim, then the question is what is it that Allah demands from his creation. We live our lives in relation to him, and it is for Him, and befitting for him, to give us guidance and legislation to follow. If we can arrive at a point whereby, through isjtihaad, Allah demands we have a caliph (which is the case from every source of Usool Al fiqh) then it is then incumbent upon us, the Muslims, to establish such a leader. Concepts like “justice”, in and off of themselves are empty ideals (ie justice doesn’t really exist without Allah telling you what is and what isn’t Just in reality outside of the perceptive mind).
If you are not a Muslim, then the framework of the discussion differs as we don’t accept the same starting point when assessing reality, revival and decline.
Back to caliphate, no president, kings, prime minister, but caliphate. It doesn’t have to be one caliphate for the Muslim world . Actually everyone is a caliphate, every leader of a country is and should be called caliphate!
There must be only one caliphate and I've caliph it is prohibited (haram) to have more than one.
The question is who is the Khalif?
Shari mischievous surat fallak translation
The reality is a caliphate is the only valid body that can establish n govern the Islamic community under one all encompassing authority by enforcing the Law of the Creator the Sharia which by default will include all communities of the secular world without encroaching on their beliefs n cultures!
The reality is that some Muslims forcing an Islamic system and Arab culture on people will look like ISIS in Iraq & Syria or the Taliban in Afghanistan. As a Muslim, I say, no thank you!
Mr Paul please note that the caliphate is only valid if the leader is from Quraish tribes so it’s not true to call it the Ottoman caliphate , other then Quraish they will call themselves sultans or kings, (the caliphate is only in Quraish until there is only two) bukhari 7140 and 3501. Another one ( the caliphate is upon Quraish anyone who defies there rule Allah will throw him into hell , if they Rule by Islam) bukhari , and in Muslim (Islam will be high with the caliphates, all of them are from Quraish) the majority of Muslim scholars saying that this means that this is a primary condition to be a caliph.
Edit: notice that in another hadith whe the prophet pbuh talked about a king from the Tribe of Qahtan (the day and night shall not be gone until a man will be king and people will call him the shouter) and another hadith that the scholars link both together is this (the hour will not come until a man comes out from the Tribe of Qahtan that will rule you by force) the first hadith is from Muslim the second one is from bukhari , and notice that the prophet did not call him a caliph but called him a king. As the professor said they call themselves that for political reasons.
You are wrong
#BLOGGINGTHEOLOGY
*TURKISH ISLAMIC UNION*
If I was offered the heavens, earth and everything in between with the condition I would become Caliph, I would reject it.
You mean due to heavy responsibility? Or its quote of someone?
@cool dude it's both isn't it bro. Even the Mahdi will reject it.
_Who doesn't want the Caliphate?_
One big mistake , harpoon Rashid WAS NOT DESCENDANT OF OROPHET MIHAMMED , gotta keep it correct
Allah Said in his holy book the Quran on the tongue of his great Prophet
"I myself will appoint on the earth a Khalifah"
the Khilafah is by Allah not by the people
Did Allah say exactly who would be in charge of this and how it would implemented?
@@PieJesu244 yes he did, multiple times in the most authentic of hadiths
Not me,thank you
We Muslims want and we don't care about your opinion.
I don’t
We Sunni Muslims need the kind of Islamic government structure similar to that of Iranian Syiah Waliyul Faqih... where all Sunni Muslims are to follow a single imam of their time...
When I argue with people from the second largest Islamic organization in Indonesia (in the world of course because Indonesia is a Muslim majority) I always say that this ummah will never be able to unite again. the reason is different group passions, different goals, ambitions and means..if so how is it possible for this ummah to be victorious?
how do you answer it?
The ummah can unite only around one objective, implementing gods laws , that’s the objective of our existence as it mentioned in the Quran several times.
Lom tidur?
Victory for the believer is not in this world. It is in the hereafter. Whether the ummah unites or not, is victorious or not in this world is ultimately in God's Hands. He does as He wills and there is wisdom behind His decisions. He promises us victory and the believer knows that the ultimate victory is in the hereafter.
Dari penjelasan prof anjum, dia mengatakan bahwa adanya kekhalifahan adalah wajib dan semua ulama sepakat. Aku pernah mendengar p. Mahfud md membahas ini. Dia setuju bahwa semua ulama sepakat ttg kekhalifahan, meski demikian dia bertanya, lalu siapa yg pantas diangkat menjafi khalifah?
Dan aku setuju dgn p.mahfud dgn pertanyaan ini.
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