Why did Lavos switch out Breloom after the flinch? It lived another Waterfall, so shouldn't he have tried to stay in and Spore again? edit: goldfish memory somehow forgot about the Taunt only a couple turns ago
Just wondering, did you see the interview on Callous Narrates' channel 3 years ago (so 2 years after this incident) with Lavos? I thought it gave a pretty decent further insight into what was known about Lavos and some added details on how that copypasta came to be. Then again, in the context of this video which examined what happened and what was known at that time moreso than what we know now, I suppose the relevance of that interview may be null.
The funniest part is, salt aside, he wasn't even wrong. If he just said "this game has too much rng so i don't wanna play anymore" it wouldn't be such a meme
The almighty urge on the internet to have perfectly fine subjective opinions on something, but so overblown and rationalized that nobody can take them seriously. It blows my mind that some people wanted to look so smart about not wanting kids that there’s an entire child hatred cult on Reddit
the reason why everyone clowned on him (aside from his shakesperian soliloquy) was because he was a massive asshole. he was good at mons and insanely good at gsc no doubt, but you dont get to be a pos and disregard everyone else and then whine and complain when you get haxxed rllly badly one time :((( like pls get a grip lmfao
@@Freezermansaccountno I doubt that, I wouldn't be surprised if there are players that share similar views but are still considered knowledgeable and skilled plays simply because the way they express those views isn't in the same breadth as whatever Lavos' Shakespearean soliloquy was trying to accomplish. To say he would've been been mocked back then considering that in the grand scheme of things Smogon has only relatively recently stopped being the competitive Pokémon equivalent of 4chan (never ask why Koffin is the mascot) just doesn't track imo, especially when nowadays the fact such a core moral failing is basically treated as a footnote on his legacy along the lines of: *_"Lavos was a really good player who had a meltdown over a bad game of Pokémon and quit in a hilariously overly pompous and edgy fashion. ᴼʰ ʸᵉᵃʰ ᵃⁿᵈ ʰᵉ ʷᵃˢ ᵃⁿ ᵇᶦᵍᵒᵗᵗᵉᵈ ᵃˢˢʰᵒˡᵉ ᵗᵒᵒ ˢᵒ ⁿᵒᵗʰᶦⁿᵍ ᵒᶠ ᵛᵃˡᵘᵉ ʷᵃˢ ˡᵒˢᵗ ᶦᵍ."_*
fortunate begins to describe my series, this game rewards skill and strategy and more, I am beyond convinced at this point. After me and my opponent had a fun, well scheduled and fair fight with no luck involved, i won. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and so I won, so I see a reason to continue engaging in this activity.
I will engage with competitive Pokemon until I die, and I hope to awaken to a flippant welcoming when I engage with you all. This community is blessed to its leaves and this blessing grows stronger and even overflows. Tournaments still have a competitive spirit represented by an organ that homeostatically thrives on encouragement and camaraderie from adults that enjoy sportsmanship and are humble. The environment fostered here has created a virtuous cycle (or at least a good negative feedback), and remaining here could require no explanation because just hanging out here is significant enough to me. This will not be the end, but I may take a break after such a hard tournament.
One last thing before i leave you all to react with praise, admiration, and selfless warmth. Before you do everything in your power to maximize my words and thoughts, keep them in the center of your memory and hope they stay forever on your infinite time in this world. From this moment on, everything you say matters to me. The sincerest complements you hurl with intent to heal will roughly settle at the earth before my hands, and the love you spit, will bring all the warmth of a warm summer breeze. You are more than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, unfilled with sadness distilled from attachment.
To be fair, the flinches coming off Jirachi are 60% likely to happen, so slightly better odds than a coin flip every time. Waterfall has a 20% chance, so for it to flinch 3 out of the 4 hits where it doesn't KO a Pokemon (75% flinches) is WAY off of the expected rate, especially worse since it happens at crucial points.
What I actually learned from this video is that Lavos was only half-right. It seems obvious to me that they *both* deserved to lose, as neither of them ran Zapdos on their GSC team. (I am kidding in case this wasn’t clear).
I’d like to solve the puzzle for what actually happened in the whole videos not even five minute in: Two historically good Pokemon players played each other, it got very close, and RNG did it’s job as a tiebreaker
The part that always kills me is "This was the single biggest threat to my team" when the game literally ended with McMeghan having revealed no other pokemon
By saying that, it just comes off as Lavos being hilariously underprepared for one of the most pivotal meta threats in the tier. Like you’re saying you built a team that was *this* weak to DD Gyarados?
yeah, I'm not THAT into comp pokemon, but although yeah rng was VERY bad for him, I think this actually boils down to a skill issue. But the part that always has me is "what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not". What a way to accidentally say "I didn't deserve any of what I have".
I use the phrase "unfortunate doesn't even begin to describe [insert relevant thing], this [thing] rewards [x,y + z] and nothing else" irl sometimes and while I am yet to have someone give me the finger guns ayyyy, this video is a fantastic breakdown of my favourite internet rant and pokemon related copypasta.
I loved the commentary you did with blunder on this, and despite the more brief overview of the turns in this video this still turns out to be another BlockbusterKevinClassic
I wonder why he bothered in the first place. You either do that stuff in the beginning or not. And even when you do that’s the end of whatever peace you have unless you casually rabidly safeguard whatever privacy and peace you have left.
RBY felt very bad as lot of things seemed to go McMeghans way but Lavos did aprox. half as many attacks. And as they say: He who doesnt attack can't crit. you can argue it was fundamentally caused by some bad luck early in the game (including sing hit into 5 turn sleep) but 100 turns should be enough to turn that around if you are truly better. if you arent that much better than your opponent it doesnt take as much luck to beat you.
To insult the opposing player is so ignorant and petty. Sad really. I understand the misfortune but it’s not like it’s megs fault lol that’s mons through and through
A sequel to the modern classic late 2010’s film, “HOES MAD: THE MOVIE” that somehow not only matches but adds to the original? The Godfather Part II of mons, you love to see it 😩
The video with you and blunder is how I was introduced to you as a creator. I dont even play mons but I stuck around because I love long form youtube content and hearing you sometimes ramble for hours about this niche community has been nothing short of pure entertainment. Shoutout to lavos for raging out so hard that it spawned such a legendary moment
I think you interpret lavos being famous for abusing luck as evidence of him being a hypocrite, but another interpretation would be that he knows how rewarding luck is, because he finds fishing for luck very rewarding himself and doesn't find it fun anymore.
I think it's pretty hard to make the argument that McMeghan didn't get super lucky in that RBY game. I mean, two times out of two Sing clicks that Chansey won the speed tie and hit the sing to sleep the other Chansey, in addition to the first sleep lasting near max turns. Even ignoring (as I agree you should) the paras and crits, that's just brutal luck.
If I'm doing my math correctly, the double Speed-tie-Sing sequence is about a .076% chance? Yeah, that's some bullshit right there. Can't really say Lavos closes it out if not for that, but definitely valid frustration.
You're not wrong, but RBY is an EXTREMELY rng-driven metagame. You do what you can to hedge, but the simple fact is that it's a meta where you don't break through without hitting low accuracy moves, winning speed ties, landing freezes/full paras, or critical hits. This is a meta where slam/slam/beam is a THING. Chansey and reflect snorlax are both borderline unbreakable without significant hacks.
Ye, both of those sleeps mattered for sure. But that's the nature of RBY and Lavos still chose to go for a second 50/50 knowing what could happen. He gambled and lose the coinflip twice. Both sings hitting is roughly 30% odds.
Neither Sing was a must-hit on those specific turns, one of the reasons Sing Chans is good is it gets a lot of opportunities. Obviously still fortunate though
This may have been funny, and he is absolutely correct that Pokémon is a game of chance we all just accept and build around with power creep or forgotten mechanics to make it worse, but very literally the next line after the supposed deconstruction of Pokémon battling as a whole a comment makes clear Lavos has been hostile for quite some time and this tantrum is the last straw.
The more Ive heard about Lavos, the more I just do not like him as a person. I don’t wish any ill will toward him but the amount of disrespect he shows others while commanding respect back is garbage.
Lavos is just a huge hypocrite. Shows others no respect but demands it himself, hates rng but frequently used rng based mechanics like scarf iron head rachi, etc. he complains about issues that he is massively a part of
@@cultofmelThere's literally nothing hypocritical about pointing out certain tools being overtuned makes the game unfun, while still using those tools to win, especially at a high level.
@@cultofmel Yeah it's a good thing his belief is *not* "you suck because you relied on luck", but instead "the game sucks because relying on luck is way too powerful" isn't it then? It's not hypocritical for a fighting game player to call a character broken and unhealthy for the game and still play them in tournament, they're trying to win.
@@Pyroniusburn So he's still a hypocrite then??? If he thinks a game is bad, for him to play the game is hypocritical. He still was engaging in an activity that goes against his stated beliefs.
Christ alive I remember that video with blunder. I think it was one of the first if not the first video I watched with you in it. Somehow it almost feels like it was longer ago. Time sure does march onward.
the thing with jirachi was, its a very dangerous double.... letting lead gyara get to +2 speed basically for free (when your check only outspeeds at +1), getting 6-0'd by it and then complaining about hax on a move that has less chance to flinch than your own iron head is CRAZY. mcmeghan was happy to sack gyara to chunk jirachi for something else to come in, that alone was worth it. lavos got beat in the gen 5 match for the same reason- mcmeghan applied offensive pressure from turn one, chernobyl meltdown ensues. wouldnt ever happen, but would have been funny if gyarados had some hp investment and lived a min roll tpunch. i would have just turned my router off at that point
Switching to Jirachi directly is also dangerous. There's a good chance Gyarados just clicks Waterfall instead of trying to set up turn 1 and chunks your Rachi. Especially since lead Gyara is sometimes CB. Switching your own Gyarados in first allows you to scout Waterfall/CB without it even gaining attack if it does DD. And even if the opponent does DD twice, the opponent has to decide to stay in and click Waterfall and lose their Gyarados to ThunderPunch 80% of the time. They might just switch out instead of risking that, and even if they risk that, you come out ahead 80% of the time. So basically you are hedging against turn 1 Waterfall while still coming out ahead the vast majority of the time if they don't. But of course Lavos got the worst case scenario.
@@DJFracus very fair points. i think though my final point about mcmeghan putting on the pressure right away and lavos folding was pretty accurate though in this set
This was great. It's honestly super crazy seeing how much every metagame has evolved since this match despite the most recent of the bunch being like six years old at the time.
If the rby was a one off game it wouldnt have been as brutal, same deal with the DPP match (though to a lesser extent). Think the salt came from McMeghan having slightly above average luck throughout the majority of the matches and less about 1 or 2 major lucky moments, sort of like losing a dice roll 10 times in a row would feel more frustrating than losing once or twice with you rolling a 1 and your opponent rolling a 6. Doesnt excuse the salt post and "superior play" is clearly debatable though 😅
34:00 my policy for talking during any competitive game is that I will only talk in an open all-team chat (in case its a team game) using xD or ? depending on whether I'm mad or trying to be toxic, respectively
ngl I do think if he was so worried about lead dd gyarados he should have gone hard rachi. if it's banded then he still lives (albeit uncomfortably) and he knows it's not an incredibly threatening build. hindsight 2020 tho
Yes. However, only now are people starting to realize they had accepted what is actually such an oversized influence on games simply by allowing the paralysis status, and especially in Gen 9 where setup sweepers exist even one flinch against the best counter is probably a win. That is, people are now realizing para and flinching should have been more contentious and only various subtle details prevented that.
Slay the Spire players can attest: having bad games through RNG is just a part of gaming. Ouch gg we lost. If you wanted control over every aspect of a competitive sport take up boxing or something physical LOL
As a total scrub here - can anyone explain why Lavos goes into his Gyara for the Intimidate first and not bring out Jirachi immediately? At that point, even after a DD, Gyara doesn’t outspeed or OHKO with its usual spread of moves - unless he was afraid of 4 attack Gyara with EQ since he lead Heatran? Or a crit? Otherwise I’m a bit confused - it’s the +2 speed boost that really seemed to Lavos in a difficult position, and that seemed avoidable…
not only does it play around CB gyara, DD gyara could also just click Waterfall instead of DD, it won't necessarily try to set up turn 1. basically he wanted to avoid Jirachi getting chunked for free. also, even in the case where gyara gets to +2 speed, it might not stay in on Jirachi to risk the Thunder Punch KO. and even if it stays in and risks it, Jirachi comes out ahead 80% of the time when it doesn't get flinched and OHKOs. basically, the play didn't have that high of a chance of going so wrong, but Lavos got the worst case scenario with all these "ifs".
bkc bringing up people falsly claiming that enjoying french films is pretentious makes me think that he wasn't coming up with an example from thin air LMAO
@@ilexdiapason read the last words of the original comment the A word in there is a curse literally search up what that word stands for in Google and yall see what i mean
Premise: 0:00
GSC: 1:38
ADV: 13:39
RBY: 17:02
BW: 24:21
DPP: 28:49
The post: 43:04
Why did Lavos switch out Breloom after the flinch? It lived another Waterfall, so shouldn't he have tried to stay in and Spore again? edit: goldfish memory somehow forgot about the Taunt only a couple turns ago
He was Taunted!
@@BKCplaysPokemonAwake doesn't begin to describe mcmegan's gyarados
Just wondering, did you see the interview on Callous Narrates' channel 3 years ago (so 2 years after this incident) with Lavos? I thought it gave a pretty decent further insight into what was known about Lavos and some added details on how that copypasta came to be. Then again, in the context of this video which examined what happened and what was known at that time moreso than what we know now, I suppose the relevance of that interview may be null.
The funniest part is, salt aside, he wasn't even wrong. If he just said "this game has too much rng so i don't wanna play anymore" it wouldn't be such a meme
The almighty urge on the internet to have perfectly fine subjective opinions on something, but so overblown and rationalized that nobody can take them seriously.
It blows my mind that some people wanted to look so smart about not wanting kids that there’s an entire child hatred cult on Reddit
He was a huge bigot he would've been a meme regardless.
the reason why everyone clowned on him (aside from his shakesperian soliloquy) was because he was a massive asshole. he was good at mons and insanely good at gsc no doubt, but you dont get to be a pos and disregard everyone else and then whine and complain when you get haxxed rllly badly one time :((( like pls get a grip lmfao
@@Freezermansaccountno I doubt that, I wouldn't be surprised if there are players that share similar views but are still considered knowledgeable and skilled plays simply because the way they express those views isn't in the same breadth as whatever Lavos' Shakespearean soliloquy was trying to accomplish.
To say he would've been been mocked back then considering that in the grand scheme of things Smogon has only relatively recently stopped being the competitive Pokémon equivalent of 4chan (never ask why Koffin is the mascot) just doesn't track imo, especially when nowadays the fact such a core moral failing is basically treated as a footnote on his legacy along the lines of:
*_"Lavos was a really good player who had a meltdown over a bad game of Pokémon and quit in a hilariously overly pompous and edgy fashion. ᴼʰ ʸᵉᵃʰ ᵃⁿᵈ ʰᵉ ʷᵃˢ ᵃⁿ ᵇᶦᵍᵒᵗᵗᵉᵈ ᵃˢˢʰᵒˡᵉ ᵗᵒᵒ ˢᵒ ⁿᵒᵗʰᶦⁿᵍ ᵒᶠ ᵛᵃˡᵘᵉ ʷᵃˢ ˡᵒˢᵗ ᶦᵍ."_*
He was so salty that he said "fuck this rng hellhole of a game, and fuck you all, I'm done" in the most unnecessarily verbose way possible.
fortunate begins to describe my series, this game rewards skill and strategy and more, I am beyond convinced at this point. After me and my opponent had a fun, well scheduled and fair fight with no luck involved, i won. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and so I won, so I see a reason to continue engaging in this activity.
Evil lavos real
I will engage with competitive Pokemon until I die, and I hope to awaken to a flippant welcoming when I engage with you all. This community is blessed to its leaves and this blessing grows stronger and even overflows. Tournaments still have a competitive spirit represented by an organ that homeostatically thrives on encouragement and camaraderie from adults that enjoy sportsmanship and are humble. The environment fostered here has created a virtuous cycle (or at least a good negative feedback), and remaining here could require no explanation because just hanging out here is significant enough to me. This will not be the end, but I may take a break after such a hard tournament.
One last thing before i leave you all to react with praise, admiration, and selfless warmth. Before you do everything in your power to maximize my words and thoughts, keep them in the center of your memory and hope they stay forever on your infinite time in this world. From this moment on, everything you say matters to me. The sincerest complements you hurl with intent to heal will roughly settle at the earth before my hands, and the love you spit, will bring all the warmth of a warm summer breeze. You are more than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, unfilled with sadness distilled from attachment.
Hi Lavos from the universe in which harambe survived
I had a good laugh reading this
Why would I celebrate America when I could be celebrating lavos rage quit?
I can celebrate both at the same time, independence from a singular mons player I'll never play against
The real Independence Day
Bc Lavos was actually good at something
@@maxmustermann5590 America used to be great at free speech prior to Trump not clamping down on corporate censorship.
@@pantsumonster google Kent State 1970 for more examples of great American free speech
So funny that BKC and Blunder were at the site of destruction when this happened
Forget 9/11, maybe don’t forget January 6th, but especially never forget July 4th (Smogon Edition)
The Agency is always watching!
The guy who nicknames his pokemon after fantasy novel characters writes like a fantasy novel? How shocking
Little did we all know he had a seventh Stormlight Archives character on his team; mental illness
@@josiebianchi3481this is such a banger
Scarf Iron Head Serene Grace Jirachi player gets Flinches: 🤫
Scarf Iron Head Serene Grace Jirachi player gets Flinched: 🤬
Rachi flinch OK. Breloom double flinch + heatran flinch? Nah bruh. Unfortunate doesn't even begin to describe it
To be fair, the flinches coming off Jirachi are 60% likely to happen, so slightly better odds than a coin flip every time. Waterfall has a 20% chance, so for it to flinch 3 out of the 4 hits where it doesn't KO a Pokemon (75% flinches) is WAY off of the expected rate, especially worse since it happens at crucial points.
60% vs 20% probability, it is different
What I actually learned from this video is that Lavos was only half-right. It seems obvious to me that they *both* deserved to lose, as neither of them ran Zapdos on their GSC team.
(I am kidding in case this wasn’t clear).
I’d like to solve the puzzle for what actually happened in the whole videos not even five minute in:
Two historically good Pokemon players played each other, it got very close, and RNG did it’s job as a tiebreaker
Fortunate doesn't even begin to describe the next hour of my life
The part that always kills me is "This was the single biggest threat to my team" when the game literally ended with McMeghan having revealed no other pokemon
his lead mops half your team but "you had him", okay
But it's true though.
By saying that, it just comes off as Lavos being hilariously underprepared for one of the most pivotal meta threats in the tier. Like you’re saying you built a team that was *this* weak to DD Gyarados?
@@Cosplaybuddygiraffes moment when match-up fishing backfires xD
yeah, I'm not THAT into comp pokemon, but although yeah rng was VERY bad for him, I think this actually boils down to a skill issue.
But the part that always has me is "what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not". What a way to accidentally say "I didn't deserve any of what I have".
I use the phrase "unfortunate doesn't even begin to describe [insert relevant thing], this [thing] rewards [x,y + z] and nothing else" irl sometimes and while I am yet to have someone give me the finger guns ayyyy, this video is a fantastic breakdown of my favourite internet rant and pokemon related copypasta.
I loved the commentary you did with blunder on this, and despite the more brief overview of the turns in this video this still turns out to be another BlockbusterKevinClassic
This was five years ago?! The whole thing feels like it happened in 2012
McMeghan has taught me so many French Pokemon names over the years
so real
He wrongly named his thundurus therian which is funny
swampert being Laggron is hilarious to me, it sounds like a name someone would use on smogon in 2009
Shoutouts to Ronflex, Tropikeur and Millobellus.
Tyranocif my beloved
"UNFORTUNATELY..."
- FalseSwipeASMR
just realizing Lavos's nicknames in the dpp game are from Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive
Yeah in my mind this happened like 20 years ago and so I was so confused how he had the names. Turns out this drama is more fresh than I realized!
I believe all the nicknames are stormlight characters
Hisho is correct, it looks like all nicknames are from Stormlight Archive
Well. That explain why his post was verbally rich.
We all know this was a plot by Flinchinator to eliminate Lavos from his potential place of power.
i refuse to believe this is 5 years old i swear this happened like two seasons ago
Really? To me it seems like It had to be ancient lore, like 10 years ago or more
55:30 my fav part of the Lavos drama was the pot calling the kettle black
Unfortunately, there is no footage of BKC's beautiful face in this video
Lol
He probably got tired of people being weird
I wonder why he bothered in the first place. You either do that stuff in the beginning or not. And even when you do that’s the end of whatever peace you have unless you casually rabidly safeguard whatever privacy and peace you have left.
@@iantaakalla8180 It's because OBS was giving him problems a few weeks ago
Wait, when did he reveal his face?
Pre-2020 being 5 years ago still messes me up
the combo of breaking down the gameplay, then breaking down the writing skills
RBY felt very bad as lot of things seemed to go McMeghans way but Lavos did aprox. half as many attacks. And as they say: He who doesnt attack can't crit. you can argue it was fundamentally caused by some bad luck early in the game (including sing hit into 5 turn sleep) but 100 turns should be enough to turn that around if you are truly better. if you arent that much better than your opponent it doesnt take as much luck to beat you.
Unfortunate (2019)
All the fireworks tonight were to remember McMeghan winning this series
To insult the opposing player is so ignorant and petty. Sad really. I understand the misfortune but it’s not like it’s megs fault lol that’s mons through and through
A sequel to the modern classic late 2010’s film, “HOES MAD: THE MOVIE” that somehow not only matches but adds to the original? The Godfather Part II of mons, you love to see it 😩
I’m going to archive this whole channel onto one of those DVD folders so I can watch when I’m in the nursing home
Are you done archiving
@@june9914 no my disk burner is only 5Kb/S
The Champion theme starting when the infamous DPP game begins is fitting
Most unfortunate thing about this series was it gave birth to one of Smogon’s two jokes
Guy lost a game in pokemon and started speaking like a final fantasy villain
The video with you and blunder is how I was introduced to you as a creator. I dont even play mons but I stuck around because I love long form youtube content and hearing you sometimes ramble for hours about this niche community has been nothing short of pure entertainment. Shoutout to lavos for raging out so hard that it spawned such a legendary moment
I think you interpret lavos being famous for abusing luck as evidence of him being a hypocrite, but another interpretation would be that he knows how rewarding luck is, because he finds fishing for luck very rewarding himself and doesn't find it fun anymore.
you and blunder permanently altered my brain chemistry when that video released. you two put crack in that video I swear
I think it's pretty hard to make the argument that McMeghan didn't get super lucky in that RBY game. I mean, two times out of two Sing clicks that Chansey won the speed tie and hit the sing to sleep the other Chansey, in addition to the first sleep lasting near max turns. Even ignoring (as I agree you should) the paras and crits, that's just brutal luck.
If I'm doing my math correctly, the double Speed-tie-Sing sequence is about a .076% chance? Yeah, that's some bullshit right there.
Can't really say Lavos closes it out if not for that, but definitely valid frustration.
You're not wrong, but RBY is an EXTREMELY rng-driven metagame. You do what you can to hedge, but the simple fact is that it's a meta where you don't break through without hitting low accuracy moves, winning speed ties, landing freezes/full paras, or critical hits. This is a meta where slam/slam/beam is a THING. Chansey and reflect snorlax are both borderline unbreakable without significant hacks.
Ye, both of those sleeps mattered for sure. But that's the nature of RBY and Lavos still chose to go for a second 50/50 knowing what could happen. He gambled and lose the coinflip twice. Both sings hitting is roughly 30% odds.
@@DisastrousIntentionallysings have to hit + speed tie
Neither Sing was a must-hit on those specific turns, one of the reasons Sing Chans is good is it gets a lot of opportunities. Obviously still fortunate though
Considering the character of Lavos, I can't help but feel this was cosmic justice.
How he was exactly? I only know him for this specific episode.
@@Luzbel809 He was a toxic piece of shit
This may have been funny, and he is absolutely correct that Pokémon is a game of chance we all just accept and build around with power creep or forgotten mechanics to make it worse, but very literally the next line after the supposed deconstruction of Pokémon battling as a whole a comment makes clear Lavos has been hostile for quite some time and this tantrum is the last straw.
Does the title mean to say "Unfortunate" instead of "Unfortunately"?
oops lol yes
i cant believe this video ends with "and this final hilarious thing... jk lol", what a cliffhanger. very entertaining and informative watch tho
The more Ive heard about Lavos, the more I just do not like him as a person. I don’t wish any ill will toward him but the amount of disrespect he shows others while commanding respect back is garbage.
Lavos is just a huge hypocrite. Shows others no respect but demands it himself, hates rng but frequently used rng based mechanics like scarf iron head rachi, etc. he complains about issues that he is massively a part of
@@cultofmelThere's literally nothing hypocritical about pointing out certain tools being overtuned makes the game unfun, while still using those tools to win, especially at a high level.
@@Pyroniusburn To engage in behavior that opposes your own stated beliefs is hypocrisy.
@@cultofmel Yeah it's a good thing his belief is *not* "you suck because you relied on luck", but instead "the game sucks because relying on luck is way too powerful"
isn't it then?
It's not hypocritical for a fighting game player to call a character broken and unhealthy for the game and still play them in tournament, they're trying to win.
@@Pyroniusburn So he's still a hypocrite then??? If he thinks a game is bad, for him to play the game is hypocritical. He still was engaging in an activity that goes against his stated beliefs.
Funny how faster the games become the higher you go in gens. Nowadays the games are pretty much decided in the first 10 turns.
""i outplayed to the best of my abilities" ok i guess he didnt say he did the best moves, so hes right here" Brutal
ahhhh, an hour long analysis of the events of HOES MAD THE MOVIE.
such gifts given on America day
Good video. Appreciate the language analysis also within the text.
golly GSC is a snoozefest
what auspicious timing
Holy smokes its been 5 years. The passage of time is truly a thing that exists
Would you mind linking the background music you use in the description? Sounded interesting but wasn't sure where to look
This Documentary reminded me why Gen 2 was unwatchable haha
Very early to a medium length bkc movie, ly
Christ alive I remember that video with blunder. I think it was one of the first if not the first video I watched with you in it. Somehow it almost feels like it was longer ago. Time sure does march onward.
we're back
the thing with jirachi was, its a very dangerous double.... letting lead gyara get to +2 speed basically for free (when your check only outspeeds at +1), getting 6-0'd by it and then complaining about hax on a move that has less chance to flinch than your own iron head is CRAZY. mcmeghan was happy to sack gyara to chunk jirachi for something else to come in, that alone was worth it. lavos got beat in the gen 5 match for the same reason- mcmeghan applied offensive pressure from turn one, chernobyl meltdown ensues.
wouldnt ever happen, but would have been funny if gyarados had some hp investment and lived a min roll tpunch. i would have just turned my router off at that point
Switching to Jirachi directly is also dangerous. There's a good chance Gyarados just clicks Waterfall instead of trying to set up turn 1 and chunks your Rachi. Especially since lead Gyara is sometimes CB. Switching your own Gyarados in first allows you to scout Waterfall/CB without it even gaining attack if it does DD. And even if the opponent does DD twice, the opponent has to decide to stay in and click Waterfall and lose their Gyarados to ThunderPunch 80% of the time. They might just switch out instead of risking that, and even if they risk that, you come out ahead 80% of the time. So basically you are hedging against turn 1 Waterfall while still coming out ahead the vast majority of the time if they don't. But of course Lavos got the worst case scenario.
@@DJFracus very fair points. i think though my final point about mcmeghan putting on the pressure right away and lavos folding was pretty accurate though in this set
How has it already been five years what the hell
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO
Man I can't wait to listen to this later. Happy 4th dude!
This was great. It's honestly super crazy seeing how much every metagame has evolved since this match despite the most recent of the bunch being like six years old at the time.
If the rby was a one off game it wouldnt have been as brutal, same deal with the DPP match (though to a lesser extent). Think the salt came from McMeghan having slightly above average luck throughout the majority of the matches and less about 1 or 2 major lucky moments, sort of like losing a dice roll 10 times in a row would feel more frustrating than losing once or twice with you rolling a 1 and your opponent rolling a 6.
Doesnt excuse the salt post and "superior play" is clearly debatable though 😅
Except for the DPP game there was absolutely nothing to whine about tbh
Has someone made an animated version of this whole engagement bc if not they should
34:00 my policy for talking during any competitive game is that I will only talk in an open all-team chat (in case its a team game) using xD or ? depending on whether I'm mad or trying to be toxic, respectively
Fortunate does describe
jesus its been 5 years already
Cooking the essay is so funny to me. bkc might be the goat
Happy UNFORTUNATELY day!
Most mythical moment in competitive history.
People are so weird online, I could tell lavose was in his own head from the vid but the racist remarks are ridiculous
I didnt ask for this vid but I needed it
All i'm saying is i spam kabutops in adv ou and im having a blast getting wrecked
Liked, loved, subscribed, favorited, upvoted, updooted, updawged, etc.
this deep dive is convincing me to run scarf Rotom in Gen IV. everyone else seems to run that anyway
My go-to move is to double to scarf thunder punch flygon on dragon dance
Omg all his pokemon nicknames are stormlight archive references 💀💀💀💀
Does anybody have a link to the analysis of the match with blunder mentioned at the start??
Ok I guess youtube gets mad when you put a link in a comment, but you’ll find it if you search Lavos vs McMegan
@@AGC_MBC Ty
This is so real. Competetive pokemon is balls
Eh this is a once in a blue moon type thing
@june9914 it still shows the deranged potential RNG holds in Competitive Pokemon.
I think *some* people in the competitive sphere from playing nuzlockes more often. It might make them more comfortable with playing around luck.
the original video from blunders channel went triple platinum in the hood.
I am trying really hard to make it past the first battle but who decided itd be a good idea to have 12 leftovers in a game? this is so boring xD
why didn't he run inner focus in singles ? is he stupid ?
ty uncle sam and jesus
Kinda turned into BKC the Script Doctor at the end there.
Finally found your account again
ngl I do think if he was so worried about lead dd gyarados he should have gone hard rachi. if it's banded then he still lives (albeit uncomfortably) and he knows it's not an incredibly threatening build. hindsight 2020 tho
Lavos was a tool, this copypasta is so funny, but also the luck elements in this game suck lmao.
I never realized how stall heavy GSC was...
I can't believe this was 5 years ago
Tell me what the word "unfortunately" means.
isn't this guy right, just ahead of the curve by years. now everyone is moaning about what he moaned about years ago? or did i miss something
well he said weird shit but wasnt he complaining about perma flinch and para somewhere, maybe i mixed it up with another rage post
Flinch and para are why Lavos lost against McMeghan in that match, so he would complain about it.
Haven't people been complaining about this for as long as it's been in the games?
Yes. However, only now are people starting to realize they had accepted what is actually such an oversized influence on games simply by allowing the paralysis status, and especially in Gen 9 where setup sweepers exist even one flinch against the best counter is probably a win. That is, people are now realizing para and flinching should have been more contentious and only various subtle details prevented that.
The greatest serie of all time
Pretentious comes from pretense, not pretend. Good analysis though! ❤
He's out of line, but he's right. The RNG can make skill irrelevant.
Finch made Lavos rage quit the community, not McMeghan!!
YES
Who cares about america when you can play DPP ou
Who cares about dpp when you can play UsUm ou
Man ADV phys offence does so well in tournament, but you'll hate on it till you die, won't you? Lol
Anyone here watch imported cheese and just realize this is where his diatribe comes from? Wow. This is great.
I would say Aaron CybertronVGC at worlds got haxed way worse than lavos did
51:56 shocking statement
Hell yeah dude
Slay the Spire players can attest: having bad games through RNG is just a part of gaming. Ouch gg we lost. If you wanted control over every aspect of a competitive sport take up boxing or something physical LOL
48:33 kev gave 2 rounds to lavos one to Mcmeghan 2 ties😮
As a total scrub here - can anyone explain why Lavos goes into his Gyara for the Intimidate first and not bring out Jirachi immediately? At that point, even after a DD, Gyara doesn’t outspeed or OHKO with its usual spread of moves - unless he was afraid of 4 attack Gyara with EQ since he lead Heatran? Or a crit? Otherwise I’m a bit confused - it’s the +2 speed boost that really seemed to Lavos in a difficult position, and that seemed avoidable…
plays around band gyarados lead
not only does it play around CB gyara, DD gyara could also just click Waterfall instead of DD, it won't necessarily try to set up turn 1. basically he wanted to avoid Jirachi getting chunked for free. also, even in the case where gyara gets to +2 speed, it might not stay in on Jirachi to risk the Thunder Punch KO. and even if it stays in and risks it, Jirachi comes out ahead 80% of the time when it doesn't get flinched and OHKOs. basically, the play didn't have that high of a chance of going so wrong, but Lavos got the worst case scenario with all these "ifs".
bkc bringing up people falsly claiming that enjoying french films is pretentious makes me think that he wasn't coming up with an example from thin air LMAO
Stop cursing its a sin dude
@@gregkareem9824there isn't even a swear word in that message
@@ilexdiapason read the last words of the original comment the A word in there is a curse literally search up what that word stands for in Google and yall see what i mean
@@gregkareem9824 Who the fuck cares about sins?
@@ilexdiapason Fr*nch