"A Short Video" About Generation 5
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0:00:00 How good is gen 5 actually?
0:01:33 Part 1 - Pokemon Black
1:33:12 Part 2 - Pokemon White 2
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very fun fact: the protagonists and rivals were originally planned to be 16, which makes them going off on a journey with pokemon make more sense with the region being based on the USA - it's kind of like a 16 year old getting their license/first car and being able to go out on their own! not sure why they were aged down at some point.
From what I can recall they didn't originally plan 4 games for the gen it was just going to be 2 thus the aging down.
Age of consent
@@dunkdon158if you mean the “age of consent in Japan” thing, apparently it was 14 nationally but every prefecture had it higher, so it pretty much would never count as 14 aside from maybe international water/air situations. I hear it was changed to be higher recently
@@kawaiidere1023 Californication spreads further still, soon enough America will be the only nation with an AoC below 18.
(Most states have an AoC of 16.)
@@nullpoint3346glad you self reported as creepy.
Fun fact: The Bouffalant living sacred sword at 1:29:04 despite being at -4 defense isn't actually because of Bouffalant. Sacred sword actually ignores the stat changes of the opponent when calculating damage, which also includes the negative ones.
I was wondering why it felt weak under the SMT strategy.
personally, i never felt like i need to be leveled the same as gym leaders or trainers, being right under them I was strong enough by having a well balanced team and would level up in the actual battle as well, which made me completely surprised as to why you were grinding.
Totally I feel the same way. First he was complaining about level grinding & then he also started moaning about unskippable trainers in the gyms. You might as well fight everyone just to make sure you're on par with levels, especially cuz the gym trainers can't be battled after beating the gym leader.
he just follow is mind telling him that you HAVE to be overlevel to play pokémon, which isn't the case
I think he means it would be nice to have the option. He said he usually fights everyone regardless. I do to but I do appreciate the option
5 years from now when the gen 7 version of this drops boutta go crazy
you mean gen 9 version or smth?
it'll probably be gen 10 at this point
@@HexagonCircle341 We're not seeing them during gen 9 minimum gen 10.
I hope gamefreak gets their act together and it's actually good crazy
Really hope gen 9 remakes don't turn out like, uh, like the COUGH COUGH BDSP, ah sorry had some trash in my throat. As I was saying before I started dying, hope the gen 9 remakes are good cause Pokemon Sword was the first Pokemon game I bought with my own money, and was the first main line game I played. So I can't really see that region get disrespected like that.
Really great retrospective on Gen 5. It gave me a new way of viewing professor Juniper- she's significantly younger than previous professors and as a result she's way more hands on. She's different
Tho I would like to mention BW2 is more focused on change. For example Hugh (aka Steve) had his perspective changed and challenged throughout in being able to accept that Team Plasma are no longer ALL bad and moves from trying to vilify all of Plasma to standing by the members who have grown. Meanwhile someone like Ghetsis is set in his ways, practically shackled and held back by them. And when that ideology crumbles and he's forced to face reality he falls apart mentally and we don't see him again afterwards.
GameFreak subtly priming us to accept the large scale changes to the Pokémon franchise starting in gen 6
Incredibly short, I’m ashamed watched it all already.
Bro watched it in 82x speed
honestly i just went to go get a cup of water and the video had already gone to the outro
A 3 hour video on Gen 5? Oh how you spoil me
Missed rent this month but at least I got my copy of Pokemon White 2!
Not calling Ghetsis’s theme a banger is a crime
Gen 5 was HATED when it came out. I'm finally playing through them and they're fun for sure
I was there back in 2009/2010 when people mentioned how they didn't like the legendary Pokemon, including the video games. But I was one of those people who didn't, and man, seeing it do triple battles gave me an idea of doing a 5 on 5, or 6 on 6, or heck two Pokemon teams in a 12 on 12 battle system. Sadly, Gen 5, in both anime and media, was completely tarnished by the March 11th, 2011 Japanese tsunami, earthquake, and nuclear meltdown disaster, that pretty much cancelled not only the special made for the Team Rocket/Rocket Gang versus Team Plasma/Plasma Gang, but the games most likely were toned down and the story isn't dark compared to the first game. So yeah, a March 11th 2012 disaster caused Gen 5's potential to pretty much be shelved; and since then we really haven't gotten a deep personal political connection in the Pokemon world up until Generation 9. But even Gen 9 didn't quite hit the same as Gens 4 and 5. However, by the time the late 2010s came around, and people started liking Gen 5 out of nowhere, I was extremely confused on why people hated Gen 5 in the first place at that time, and then turn around years later to realize they were better than the new game freak games coming out. It's also why Gen 5 was the last generation I really liked, as the franchise was mostly on and off type of IP (much like the other Nintendo games I've looked at as well, and 2010 was the last year I was a Nintendo fan, including the Nintendo Wii and DSi until I pretty much stopped being both a Sony & Nintendo fan. First with Sony in 2006 after the PS2, and Nintendo after the Wii in 2010.)
@SuperFlashDriver gen 5 anime was goated though and the cancellation of those episodes was a really good thing (not the disaster though ofc)
@@natalimoina Really?? Because I was hyped for those two, and it got cancelled/shelved...Which to be honest, is why Gen 6 pretty much picked it up where Gen 5 left it off...Oh well. Hopefully by the time Pokemon celebrates its 30th/40th anniversary that those episodes can see the light of day, one from 2003/2004, and the other ones from 2011.
Still hate Gen 5. Only pokemon games I never bought or owned. Tried it again a couple years back and it is still boring. Tried b/w and b2/w2 on emulators, can't get past 4th gym. Then again, I don't like most of the current gens for story anyways.
@@Mcspazz731 Interesting. Even I myself never played another pokemon mainline game since Yellow, and another pokemon game again since My Pokemon Ranch so, I can see where you're coming from. I was merely on the anime/movie side of Pokemon when it came to Gens 1, 2, and 5. But it's always the pokmeon creatures themselves and not so much the human characters or the story that I cared very much.
Y’know, with N talking to your Pokémon, having your Pokémon follow you outside of their Pokéball in these games would have been cool, because then could have had N actually looking at your Pokemon. Missed opportunity in my opinion. Although this way does say something about Pokéballs, that Pokémon can communicate through them. So it’s not like you’re completely sealing them away from the outside world.
The shortest Gen 5 review out there.
As someone whose favourite generation is 5, I really enjoyed this video, I really enjoyed re-experiencing Unova in the sequels and experiencing all of the features the game had when it came out brand new, like the Join Avenue was insane with online connectivity, but I am happy someone has finally said that the story of B/W 2 is simply not at the level of the original.
Black and White were the games you went with for the crazy good story, and new Pokémon
Black 2 and White 2 were what you played for the features and the Pokémon you were familiar with. But at least they toned down the Rival battles, added the best feature ever added to a Pokémon games - the automatic Repel refreshing.
That said, my favourite part of the B/W2 story is the part where Ghetsis straight up tries to murder a kid... Kinda impressed they went that hard with his madness
gen 5 my beloved...
2:37:02 since you played the sequel first it makes sense, but I remember when i played them growing up, they had the memory link feature which showed more flashbacks and context to more directly tie them together which was really cool and only happened if you had save data from the prior game
wasn't aware it showed flashbacks, I knew it existed, and that it would refer to your character by name when they need to bring them up. But that kinda puzzles me, cause imo flashbacks would make more sense to be in a non-memory linked game, so that way you can understand what the heck is going on in case you didn't play/don't remember the original story
@@trailspokemon thats a good point, it helped me remember what i/my character did cuz it was 2 years, but when you put it that way, it really doesnt make a ton of sense for them to have less flashbacks without a memory link, really well done video btw!
i really dont get the complaint of gym leader trainers being mandatory when youre also choosing to grind lol.
54:14 I definitely recall there being a doctor inside Chargestone, but it could've been added in the sequels & not originally present, so I looked up gameplay to confirm if I was remembering right or not & what do you know he does exist in the cave right b4 you've to battle a bunch of grunts. You simply missed him on the way.
There should be a doctor in there right before the team plasma battles
My first game was in Gen 3.
But it's the peak of the franchise for me.
Probably partly because I personally prefer pixel art for the franchise, it's the last, has many animations as a 2D _pkmn_ and it's 2.5D.
I also like the designs, peak designs and color palette.
Pretty good story, not ground breaking but not bad either.
Edit: Although I guess that's also true for most entry.
So there was a rumor I used to read online That route 4 instead of a route is based on ground zero after the September 11 attack, which is why Castelia is such a big populated city, and Nimbasa City is basically a fairground. It’s just me iceberg and Reddit stuff I’ve read, it’s become my head cannon😂
I like how these games teach kids how to think and that they should take as many different points of view as possible into consideration before formulating their own opinions, as to prevent being doctrinated
Kukui does the catching tutorial too
Was just about to say this.
Yeah, trails is silly
Amazing!
I also love the Undella Town surprise on "that house".
And "that" scene in Black2/White2 when you reach old main character house... heartbreaking.
"That house" 😂😂😂😂
I remember there’s a theory that Route 4 is some kind of reference to ground zero
Its crazy how gen 5 use to be so hated but is now looked on with love
Nah Gen 5 hater for life
^ man people just like to be contrarion
Like it or dislike it, it's your opinion and that's fine. But why click on a video if you don't like it? And furthermore reply with hate to a positive comment?
@@Mcspazz731 Can only guess that you're favorite generation is 4... Usually the crowd who has terrible opinions
It's easy when Gen 6 and 7 are what they are
>click on 3-hour video essay
>look inside
>plot summary
I think it was a deliberate design choice to make you underleveled compared to the gyms. Since the gym leaders don't have many pokemon, it's a way of increasing difficulty
I’m only half way through this video (you finishing the story for Pokémon Black) and I got to say thank you for making this long video! I love gen 5, definitely enjoy you enjoying it, and I never knew some of the things with these games like how to get the amulet coin, and seeing the old cut scenes with the old mythical events.
Oh boy oh boy it is kinda short
You learn a lot more about the 7 sages and their characters in the post game of Black and White. There's a whole lot of post game content in both games that builds a lot onto the lore and story!
im newer to pokemon so my nostalgia is gen 6... i can easily say gen 5 is the best gen by a mile. the meloetta event proves this.
If you ever have the chance I would definitely suggest checking it out! I was gifted B2 as a kid and absolutely loved it, still my favorite pkm game to this day. I hope to play B1 sometime but it'll likely be via emulator or a good deal lol
A great analysis. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I think Gen 5 is more appreciated once you become a adult and see the deeper meaning behind the plot.
When this game came out, I was 14 years old when it occurred. And considering that I was already into plots akin to horror movies and end of the world scenarios, this was no different as politics was really up the antiques during the 2007-2008 situations. So yeah, while I may have not played the game, the amount of content stuffed into one game, plus the layout of the game (and my personal favorite: While outside of Japan it's called "Unova", I prefer to call it "Isshu" as in "The whole area has too many "Isshu"s to deal with. Ranging from Team Plasma/Plasma gang, to minor incidents here and there in the city. So yeah, I amusingly make a pun out of this region as "Issue/Isshu" instead of calling it "Unova".)
But to be honest, it does have one of the saddest songs I've heard of at that time, besides the sad piano & violin music I used to listen to on CZcams two years prior to this game's release.
@@SuperFlashDriver Unova is the only region that actually has its own name in every language.
@@Mekudan Yeah, which is why I loved the name "Isshu" in the Japanese language (A pun if you ask me). But that's good to know.
Pokémon white is the only Pokémon game i put 999 hours into. My brain had finally developed enough to understand breeding, EVs, trading, and movesets. That added with all the post game content which was way more than just a battle tower made it my favorite for sure
A whole MOVIE?! HECK YEAH
I didn't realize Riolu was a rare encounter, when I first played white 2 that was the first member I added to my team
It’s 5% I don’t know how he didn’t get one in 45 minutes 1/20 should be easy to find. At the first try you were lucky though
36:41 absolutely agree, it's always slightly bothered me how the desert doesn't fit into the surrounding world. I do love the highway going across it though!
I’m playing this game again on Delta rn. Something about this generation, even without reading most the text, blowing through towns and knowing a good team up front. It feels warm, and friendly. Yes nostalgia, and yes it’s the region based on the country I am most familiar with. But the whole game feels fleshed out. While still at the peak of their 2D graphics. I’m all for the 3D transition they’ve done. But the older games have more of a cozy feel to them. All of them. And Black and White really encapsulated that.
I always loved Gen 5, but after having lived through the controversies & hate bashing this generation received during its prime, I can't help but feel bitter with people now calling it the best gen.
I remember this era too, as I grew up in it. At the time, with only five gens, it was mostly the genwunners that really were the loudest, which I think is outrageous considering the original BW is just an echo of gen one, pretty much a soft reboot of the series. Werster brought this up in a pretty funny clip, where he said the people that hated the games really came down to "where is pikachu? Where is Zubat? Fucking ice cream. Fucking trash bag. Game sucks." It's funny that this is really the criticisms levied at these games, because it's fair, but insane at the same time. Yes the game forces you to use "new" pokemon, but that's what makes it so special for a lot of people, it's a breath of fresh air and an apologetically stark explosion of creativity for the series. A lot of the criticisms come from, ironically, why people think these games are so good now: nostalgia. Pokemon really caters to gen one a lot, Kanto gets a lottttt of love, and I think that Pokemon actually loved Unova so much at the time. Part of it is a crabs in the bucket thing, where fans will drag down the new region to say "they can't make something better than my favorite game," and that attitude being so prevalent in the community today I think ruins the experience of a lot of games now. I don't think that a new game being better takes away from an older game, but that was really what appeared to be the attitude of the time, despite it being basically paradoxical. If the new games are so bad, why do people like them so much?
@@roid1621i liked the idea of Gen 5 but i wish they went in a different direction. i don't miss zubat or geodude, but they replaced them with woobat and roggenrola... they had a huge opportunity to make a game different from gen 1 but just looks like they copied it while making it look a little different. that's why i didn't like gen 5
I remember my very first time playing at 8 years old, I struggled so much with the first gym I just kept battling wild pokemon until my Oshawott evolved. And the only other pokemon game I had before this was Rangers so I honestly didn’t know they evolved with level up 😭
I liked it as a bday present but here u go a comment too, happy bday u are actually top tier pokémon yt
my favorite new youtuber just dropped a 3 hours yapping video, i'm happy
this is one of the best videos i have seen in the past year
Fun video, I might be misremembering stuff but I remember before gen 8 black and white where considered the worse of the games (idk if that was generational mindset changing as I started with white 2 and never finished it)
No, you remember correctly. Gen 5 was severely hated online when they were the current generation.
People really were blinded by hgss and platinum
@@Aurum4137 It was also a bunch of die-hard fans of Gen 1 who acted like they crawled out of the woodworks to talk about how much Gen 5 designs sucked compared to the original 151 (which is also when the term "Genwunner" started)
@@Zistheone2 Gen 1ners and Gen 4 people were extremely toxic. (Still Gen 4 lovers are pretty toxic to this day). They both hated the game with a passion. Usually stating that a trash bag and ice cream cone were bad pokemon design
Short, sweet, and consice. Great video.
Fun fact!: Chargestone cave does have a doctor inside it. He’s at the halfway point and will give you free heals once you beat him in a battle. He’s right before you have to battle a bunch of Team Plasma grunts. So Trails’ gripes about no healing in the cave at 54:14 isn’t quite true :3
Looking forward to watching/listening to this!
Gen 5 will always stay in my heart. The last 2D Game and in my opinion it should have stayed that way.
ehh the 3d entries are over-hated, even if the recent ones are varying degrees of underbaked.
Most of the 3D games are trash half assed at that they are hated for a reason especially gen 8 and 9@@PhoenicopterusR
@javonbatiste3294 I'd say most of them are fine and did well enough at shaking up the series, even with their faults. I get it, though, it's easier to dunk on things with no elaboration than it is to have reasonable and informed opinions.
@@PhoenicopterusR I mean I haven't played anything past Gen 5 so my opinion isnt that qualified to Talk smack bout the later gens. I think that Gen 6 was still a pretty cool and creative way to make Pokemon. But after that I just lost the connection to Pokemon as a whole. Maybe its due to nostalgia, but I think Pokemon lost its spirit after Gen 5.
@@azphaltx I think I'd chalk that up to a poor transition from the peak gen 5 sprites to gen 6 models that were somehow less alive than 20+ year old Colosseum/Stadium models, and the overly hand-holdy story, tutorial, and mechanics. Gen 6 gave us megas, better trainer customization, and genuinely pulled off 3d style traditional routes; Gen 7 had one of the best regions aesthetically (IMO), regional variants, pokepelago, and got rid of HMs. Now, I don't think all is forgiven just for the positive changes, like I said, they're fine. However, the amount of people who absolutely thrash these games just isn't right (except S/V, and maybe Sw/Sh a bit)
Gen 5 is mt fav pokemon game the story the pokemon the characters and even a majority of how the areas are designed are amazing
Happy belated birthday! Liked for support :)
Maybe Skyla was helping a Corviknight that got shot fown by a Tinkaton or smth
Wake up babe new “short video” just dropped
I need more copies of gen 5 with how much I love to replay it.
Personally, I played BW2 because it was the latest games that time. and I was just randomly searching some pokemon games in DS emulators. While you rate it BW2 at around 6-7/10. The post game activities for BW2 were such a fun experience for me. The Shiny Haxorus, The White Tree Hollow and its counter part, THE undella house, etc. etc. it is still one of my favorites to this day.
6:30 It’s actually because all of our moms want us gone so they can have some alone time with Professor Juniper… that’s why Bianca’s dad doesn’t want her to go. He’s intimidated by the towns true alpha
Happy late birthday 🫡 also your opinion is objectively correct
How did you pass by the doctor in the second floor of Chargestone cave? Most routes in BW has a doctor that you can talk to. I abused them during my run, they're really useful.
awesome video, hopefully the prices of pokemon games go down if theyre ever released on virtual console
For the level curve thing, i wonder if the problem you had at the end of black was because your team was like half mythicals? They usually gain levels way slower than other pokemon
2 of the 3 (then 3 of the 4) were trade boosted so they grew faster than a normal mon would. The main thing is even game freak acknowledged within the game you shouldn't train a full team of 6 pokemon, and if you were training 3 as they suggested, leveling wouldn't be an issue at all beyond the first badge or so
3.5 hr grind for the end of BW? Boy that sounds nice. Coming of the miserable grind I've been doing for Emerald its just so nice. The only saving grace for Emerald is once you beat those news guys 255 times they stay there. Which came up sooner than I expected because I didn't check to see how many times I fought them.
It's cool how gym leaders go out of their way to stop crime in their cities and they arent just figureheads
“Realistically, you would grab the running shoes on your way out” well actually, realistically, being a person with legs I would just be able to run no matter what I was wearing, never understood why they felt the need to make running locked behind an item
12 years ago- what- that’s insane 😰
That was my first main series Pokemon game-
Edit: It’s so cool to see a 3 hour video dedicated to Gen 5, although nostalgia is one of the main reasons it’s my favorite. I still love it.
My first Pokémon game was Black and White and I remember playing this game every day for year la heck I still have my first Pokémon my stater Superior I nick named BX ( I was 12 ) short for Battle Expert out of the whole game my favorite parts where the story and the hall you can customizes
The absolute disrespect thrown to Oshawott at the beginning hurts my sould
As a "gen1'er" a while back I went and did a playthrough of all the games since I never played an of them, and funny enough when I hit gen 3 and 4 I wasn't having as much fun and started to think the first two games really were nostalgia but then I hit gen 5 and immediately thought again. Then I played the games after and though gen 6 wasn't horrible, the series started to go back down hill again. I'd say BW, BW2, and HG/SS are objectively the best games.
A Trails video? Just in time for dinner? Excellent.
Watching hourl long essays about my favourite dead games, is my passion
This is the shortest video I can find on CZcams now.
Happy birthday Milo
Just to say from the first few seconds, gen 5 was divisive on release, i remember countless complaining about the direction these games took the series because of the soft reboot, so it’s mostly retrospect that people like it so much nowadays
happy late birthday funny owl man
Fun fact - I aged out before gen 5, so have literally no nostalgia for this series. But I love video essays, so I'm here for this
My personal favorite generation. Such a freaking gem
Guys... Team Plasma is basically PETA
Team plasma actually respects pokémon though. They don't murder 80% of the ones they take
@zachroos3910 that's PETA USA. They are stupid like the average US citizen is known to be 🤷🏼♂️. But 80% still is an exaggeration 😄
Happy late birthday buddy :)
54:18
There is a doctor at Chargestone Cave, but you might have missed him because he stays in a corner 😅
1:25:40
Ironically enough, BW forces you to capture the Legendary Dragon before fighting N. If you defeat it, the dragon will force you into battle AGAIN.
I am so happy to have original copies of black and black 2, and heart gold and platinum. God damn are they expensive these days
but marlon going north them coming from the south was a;ways so jarring as a kid like it felt so weird
As always when hearing “Gen5 have the best stories of the Pokémon *franchise*”, I go “are ypu sure about that?” LOL.
I agree when it comes to main line games. But Pokémon Mystery Dungeon? Very, very good stories. All entries are solid and at least as good as BW(2)
Overall very fun video to listen to as I was cleaning the apartment!!
Best story in the main series be fr
7:16 i think Kakui did it in Ultra games maybe the base ones too.
Yo almost 80k subs!!!!!!
I do find it funny how much he hates the movie section 😂 As a kid I absolutely loved it and was so sad when I finished all the movies
Shortest video I’ve ever seen. Impressive.
I'm convinced that Ghetsis had N addicted to Sweet Scent or smoking Bayleef or something.
My favourite gen!
Man, I'm glad this was one of the first pokemon videos the Algorithm gods gave me in a few weeks. Almost three whole hours not having to decide what to watch
I've played through BW1 about 3 or 4 times in my life and never once needed to grind before the Elite Four. Due to the exp system revamp, grinding on lower-leveled wild Pokemon will have a severely diminished exp output, while those optional trainers you spent the whole time avoiding would have better kept you in line with the level curve.
And come on man, with two mythicals and one pseudo on your team, why were you even worried.
Happy late birthday
Watching this shiny hunting ducklett on the bridge in nimbasa
The best pokemon story is the anime, but this can be considered the best mainline game story
Generation 5 is literally the closest thing we have to "Trails Pokemon". (if you know you know)
I remember being too embarrassed to say i liked this game because everyone i knew that played it only had negative things to say, still love this gen!
omg hi sir !! this is gonna be good
Mad video
Ya know grn 5 regional varients would probably be almost as sick as alolhas if they do it when they get there especially if they resteict it the same way b/w 1 did while allowing only regional varients as far as other gen mons go
The post game from both games is too good to be legal
Why the hell didn't your poll had soul silver?!
2:20:47 my thought here is that Cobalion probably only presents itself to you
Interesting little tidbit if you play both white and White 2 or Black and Black 2 I would suggest white and white to due to the fact that N has Reshiram which is more Canon the games directly translate over to one another due to who has which legendary and if you flip flop the color of the game when going to the sequel the legendary that N has is also the one that the protagonist from the first game caught which shouldn't be possible in that timelin.. if you've done all the story and the sequels and actually read all the dialogue it's got pretty good amount of references to the first storyline and it's agreeably not quite as good as the first one the personal opinion wise the mechanics and the fact that you can explore lots of areas from the previous game and get the story tidbits that you missed in between the two games bumbs up a couple stages for me
If you want you refight the B&W Elite Four and they have higher levels and have Alder as champion. Also your Pokémon actually get registered in the Hall of fame.
56:00 in the manga, it's just a Pidove lol and no, it's really just meant for you to ring the bell and I guess get a little more lore on the tower.
Black and white 1 and 2 are companion pieces. The flaws of one are covered in the other, BW1, you are region locked, play BW2, want a deeper story to understand what minimal story is in BW2 play BW1, like certain aspects of one game set over the other play it insted, my thing is that these games are perfect for each other and thats why its my favorite gen