Five Major Problems With The Trinity - by Sean Finnegan
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 12. 03. 2012
- Sean Finnegan "does it again" with this good analysis and careful refutation of the Doctrine of the Trinity. Sean gives a balanced consideration of the issues and reviews key problems related to this doctrine of post biblical orthodoxy.
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God is one.
Since you believe that God is one already then whatâs stopping you from accepting prophet Muhammad SAW??? And becoming a Muslim⊠Read the Quran It clearly says that they lie and made up the trinity about 3 and 1 and partners of God.
@@riyadblue20 Because the Koran isn't needed to come to this conclusion. You can come to the same conclusion reading God's inspired word and letting the bible speak to you rather than any previous preconceived notions.
Amen
God is One. God The Father, God The Son, God The Holy Spirit in perfect Unison.
@@Judahthanksgiving that's 3. Learn math
No prophet ever claimed God was 1 in 3 persons nor did any prophet worship a triune God!
Was Jesus God?
@@ishakkyusuf8784
Why did the Jewish leaders say he deserved to die?
Matthew 26:63-65
But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
@@ishakkyusuf8784
Thatâs who I worship. But you have a choice. Jesus called himself âI Amâ; in that verse he claimed he was going to be the one Daniel spoke of as âthe son of manâ which Daniel reveals as God. Several times they wanted to kill him.
So, either Jesus is God n therefore the onus is upon you to explain how there are all these references in the OT that indicate God is a plurality in some way, OR Jesus was a liar and scoundrel.
Which is it? There are no other options.
@@janszeneri3572 Lets begin with the OT for thousands of years the prophets & the Jewish people never worshipped a triune God (Fact)
John 5:30 - Mark 11:12-25 - John 17:3 & Matthew 26:36-46 does not sound like almighty God.
Only Hinduism, Egyptian mythology, Greek mythology & the Roman pagans ever believed God came to earth as a human.
@@ishakkyusuf8784
Letâs assume you are correct. Answer my question. Why would you believe in a man who was either lying or so mentally unstable they he thought he was God, or both? You have to deal with HIS claims. Either they were true, and should be believed, or he lied or was nuts. Canât go anywhere til you answer that.
In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
1. Say, âHe is God, the One.
2. God, the Absolute.
3. He begets not, nor was He begotten.
4. And there is nothing comparable to Him.â
Surah Al-Ihlas
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Explain why they have problems with Arch Angel Djibriël...ask a Rabbi if u don t know your own scripture
Jesus said, âDo not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the
Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, âI am ascending to my
Father and your Father, to my God and your God.ââ John 20:17 I worship his God.
Why he said my Father and your Father God and your God and did not simple say our Father and our God.By the way is God you worship a FATHER???
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f if simplicity u r asking for is not what Jesus said in that verse then what u call simple is not what u r asking for.
@@johnchauke7492 what are you talking about i don't understand ?
@@johnchauke7492 i personally read only the original language text of the New Testament i Never read any translations
@@johnchauke7492 i personally read only the original language text of the New Testament i Never read any translations
I returned from the mission field some 30 years ago and suffered sever disillusionment with the church. I had trouble separating everything I knew from my own study from all the 'church' teachings I had been spoon fed over the years. I wiped my religious slate clean and started over, holding onto only the truths I found in scripture. It did not take me long to realize the teaching of the trinity was bogus to the core. This was only solidified more as I looked into the teachings of the early church fathers. Thank you so much for your videos on this subject. I no longer feel like a voice in the wilderness. Shalom
Look into judaism and Islam. Youâll get new perspectives. Judaism rejects Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them both), christianity accept Jesus but then some people elevate him to God status and rejects the last messenger of God (Muhammad). While Islam, we accepts Jesus as the messiah, right now we are still waiting for his return.
Muslims believe that Jesus is The Messiah, we believe that God protected and lifted His messiah to the heaven, we believe that before end of time..there will be a false messiah and Jesus will come down to defeat him.
ONENESS IS BOGUS
ILL SHOW YOU ONE
jOHN 5
37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,
WHO THEN DID ABRAHAM SAW AND TALKED TO HERE??
Genesis 18
The Three Visitors
18 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[d] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: âWill you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[e] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing-to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?â
WHO THEN DID JEREMIAH SAW AND TALKED TO HERE??
Jeremiah 1
4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
5 âBefore I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.â
6 âAlas, Sovereign Lord,â I said, âI do not know how to speak; I am too young.â
7 But the Lord said to me, âDo not say, âI am too young.â You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. 8 Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you,â declares the Lord.
9 Then the Lord reached out his hand and touched my mouth and said to me, âI have put my words in your mouth. 10 See, today I appoint you over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and to plant.â
@Sharon L Ex. 24:9 Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
Ex. 24:10 and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself.
Ex. 24:11 Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.
Islam is the only preserved message for the entire humanity. The propher mohammed said :anyone jew or christian heard of my message and did not believe in it he will be in rhe hellfire.
The first century Christians(Jews) were very strict monotheists.
Unfortunately, with their passing, and the taking over of the faith by the gentile converts, paganism eventually returned.
Since Bible is a very strict monotheistic document, there was no room to have 3 gods. Therefore, in order to resolve the issue of 3 gods, it was decided to have a physical merger of the 3, in order to comply with the Holy Bible.
That is true, early Christians also never worshipped Jesus, they worshipped God alongside the Jews. Modern day "Reformed" Christians still state that Jesus is the Son of God and worship him, taking him as an idol. God begets none and he is not begotten, he has no offspring nor any parents. Did Abraham, Noah, Ishmael, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, etc. worship Jesus alongside God? No, they worshipped the One True God of all mankind whom created the Heavens and the Earth and all that is in between. Jesus was a prophet whom was sent to confirm the message of monotheism. God is absolute and does not change in character, word, or state. He does not require blood sacrifices to satiate or redeem our souls. Our Judgement is within our actions and hands alone, God gave us free will for a reason. We are held responsible for what we did in this life, all the good and bad and will be weighed accordingly on Judgement Day. Surely Jesus will not intercede and say "I wiped their sins away with my blood", this is pagan in nature and disgusting to even consider as a possibility.
@@ITubeYouK God has no off spring ?????? Ezin, is this tea time with Satan ?
' Those in the boat worshipped him saying 'Truly you are the Son of God' apostles to Jesus after he walked on water, Matthew
@@margaretrutherford5548 The answer lies with the use of english language as translation. It refers to paying homage or praising or eulogising etc.
Because the same words when used for others are not translated into âworshippedâ.
Jews were, and to this day are, strict monotheists, and worshipped no one other than Yahweh, aka the Heavenly Father, the God of Yeshua.
The pagan elements crept in the faith much later.
Jehovah's Witnesses who believe in 1 God YHWH are the true worshippers. That's why they're always hated and mocked by the world.
Gentleness goes along way!! Lately I been preaching to others (who believe the trinity) against the trinity in love and respect and itâs been key. So far all have agreed. Glory to God!!
I will admit I have struggled with this with a close friend of mine. My passion got the better of me and have since tried a more gentle approach and this seems to be working better. Although I will say first impressions are key, don't make the same mistake I did as it will only ever be a set back. God made me realise kindness is always the answer.
You think Peter is gentle in what he says here:
Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
Act 8:18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,
Act 8:19 saying, "Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."
Act 8:20 But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!
Act 8:21 You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.
Act 8:22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.
Act 8:23 For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity."
TrinityâŹïž
âThen God said, âLet US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.
ââGenesis⏠â1:26⏠â
âThen the Lord God said, âBehold, the man has become like one of US in knowing good and evil.
ââGenesis⏠â3:22⏠â
âCome, let US go down and there confuse their language.
ââGenesis⏠â11:7⏠â
SpiritâŹïž
âThe Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.â
ââJob⏠â33:4⏠â
âWhen you send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.â
ââPsalm⏠â104:30⏠â
âThe earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.â
ââGenesis⏠â1:2⏠â
Angel of the lord aka jesus Old TestamentâŹïž
âThe ANGEL of the Lord said to her, âReturn to your mistress and submit to her.â The ANGEL of the Lord also said to her, âI WILL SURELY MULTIPLY YOUR OFFSPRING SO THAT THEY CANNOT BE NUMBERED FOR MULTITUDE.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â16:9-10⏠â
Who can multiply descendants apart from God alone? Angel means Messenger 50% of the time btw.
âBut the ANGEL of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, âAbraham, Abraham!â And he said, âHere I am.â He said, âDo not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, YOUR ONLY SON FROM ME.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â22:11-12⏠â
âAnd he blessed Joseph and said, âThe God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, the ANGEL who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â48:15-16⏠â
Jesus + The Angel of the lord
ââBehold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.â
ââExodus⏠â23:20-21⏠â
âAnd a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, âThis is my beloved Son; listen to him.â And suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone with them but Jesus only.â
ââMark⏠â9:7-8⏠â
3 persons 1 being!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For He said, âSurely they are My people, Children who will not lie.â So He became their Savior. In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the ANGEL of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old. But they rebelled and grieved His HOLY SPIRIT; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.â
ââIsaiah⏠â63:8-10⏠â
âThe grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.â
ââ2 Corinthians⏠â13:14⏠â
Repent if you reject the Trinity Then you object who God is and you are not saved and you will be one that Jesus never knew!!
Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God. John 1 and many other verses show that the "word", Jesus, pre- existed creation.
@@follow_the_way This is the mayor. He is also the son of the mayor. So the mayor is his own son and his own father. Not a contradiction at all, believe me. The illogical and impossible exists. Does it not?
I read a comment on one of the talks on CZcams.....and someone who doesnât believe In a trinity but is a Christian stated âso God came to Earth as a Jewish man....doesnât make any senseâ.
The more I think about it, the more such as basic statement makes so much sense.
Damn that makes a big sense
How in the world does that objection make sense??
@@logicianbones because Jews donât believe in the trinity
What an honest and open minded christian. I hope your logical reasoning may open doors for you to find the right path to God.
JESUS is the only path. You do not come to Hod by your own power ir reasoning or even your own time. The Holy Spirit has to draw and convict and if He doesn't then you can never be saved from your sins. Doing good works or being religious or believing you are sincere or believing different facts and doctrines can not get you saved either. God's way is the only way. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. No other preaching of other books or man's writings or words can replace the bible that has been around for 2000 years will do. Then a person hears the truth and the Holy Spirit begins the work and when a perdonis enlightened by God and sees himself as a sinner who needs God's forgiveness and makes a conscious decision and calls on God to save him/her. "For whoever shall call upon Him shall be saved". "For with the heart man believeth and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation". God's plan is simple and Jesus is the person who gave his life to make it possible for anyone to have forgiveness of their sins. It's God's way and no other. God will honor his word and your faith to believe. I hope you and others will allow God to show you that it us not complicated but come as a child and wiith a child's innocence not a studied professor and know it all.
If Jesus was God, why was all authority given to him rather that Him already possessing it? "Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Mat 28:18
@d the best Do you contended He came to this earth as some form of a neutered God and was not given His full authority until He was ready to begin His ministry?
@@russellkurger2698
Never read Phillipians, or don't want to ?
@@zimroel1656 Yes sir, I am quite familiar with the Book of Philippians. I assume you are referring to Chapter 2: 6-9.
Yes, He was and is equal to God but not based on his own Divinity. He was give all of His authority by the Father. He was not born Divine and at the end of all thing He will relinquish it all back to the Father.
This does not make a case for the Trinity. It simply shows the Father bestowed all of his authority in the Man of Jesus to exercises His ministry and to intercede before the Father on our behalf.
@d the best Jesus is begotten and not made. Sorry, your argument for Arianism does not work.
@@russellkurger2698 Brother can you please explain to me Hebrew chapter 1 please. Thank you
It is so great to see so many co-Christians here sharing same creeds as Jesus thought
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No one here is interested in your Catholic believing / deceived false teaching video. You can stop spamming it.
@@zapazoid Malachi 3
New International Version
3 âI will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,â says the Lord Almighty.
who is the Lord that came to the temple?
GOD THE fATHER??
No one here? Well I'm Catholic, I'm here!@@zapazoid
â@@UMAKEMESMILESWACKINlisten to this video again
I studied the scriptures relentlessly and had issues with the trinity, just from my self study and I honestly just shrugged it off...oh what's the difference, I thought. Verses like this threw me for a loop Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didnât pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!â
Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.
Mat 19:17 And he said to him, âWhy do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.â
So youâre saying Jesus is not ? You have wrong interpretation sir ..
This guy knows nothing.
The Trinity is defining the God -head > The Father is God which draws his people to his Son .. The Holy Spirit is God which seals and regenerates them .
The Jesus is God which redeems and gives them eternal life ..
the 3 are in communion .
The 3 are distinct, co-eternal , Co-Equal in one essence ,substance.
Matthew 28:19 the word Îșαί in Greek is a conjunction,
1 Corinthians 8:6
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Matthew 27:46 Jesus was reciting the Old Testament, Psalms 22 , the scriptures have been fulfilled that Christ finished the work on the cross > it is Finished >Tetelestai<
Tetelestai - The Sacrifice Is Accomplished
Every Jewish person there would have instantly recognized this word as the equivalent of a Hebrew phrase that was used in the Old Testament sacrificial system.
He is good in the spirit but as a human in flesh no one is good since Jesus was tempted in flesh but In spirit God himself (Jesus) canât be tempted
Same experience here also. And there are many other verses that you could have used.
Exactly!
How are to interpret the gospel of John 1? It states the Word is Jesus, and that the Word was with God and was God, and all things were made through the Word. I am just confused by how we can interpret that chapter without seeing it say that Jesus is God. Thanks
Firstly Jesus himself said there is ONLY one true God who is the father.
Secondly, You and your word are the same, eg a man of your word. Is your word a preexisting person? No.
God said death and life is in the tongue. Basically words are life. Gods words created ALL creation, no surprise that his word WAS MADE flesh. He spoke his son into existence. The scripture says he was MADE of a woman MADE under the law.
Thirdly, is God MADE, the answer is no.
Forthly, Jesus inherited his name from his father. Therefore father and son have the same name, Jesus, which simply means Jehovah salvation.
Not only did he inherit his fathers name but his fathers authority also. Jesus said the father that DWELLS IN me he doeth the works. Jesus said as he hears he speaks Therefore the father who dwells in his son said, before Abraham was I AM and the son spoke what he heard from his father.
Jesus is the visible body for the invisible father to operate in. Jesus is a unique son.
No man has seen God at ANY time.
I hope this helps. Stay blessed đ
Hi Openly Confused. Dont worry most other people are too. Perhaps the biggest problem for christians is they dont know the meaning of the word God/Theos. I will give you the literal sense of Jn 1: 1 which should open your eyes. If you want the clarification of this translation go to lampandlightpathways for videos on it. So John 1 : 1 reads In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the Divine One and the Word was divine. The same was in the beginning with the Divine One.
John 1:1 In greek the 1st "God" is different in greek than the 2nd "god" used in this verse. The correct translation renders ," The word with with God, and the was a god (or divine)"
The 2nd one is different in greek and means a divine being. Different meaning.
@@yfzjoe how do you know that? The Greek for both words is the same, both are Theos. You even have Ho Theos, the God and Ho Logos, as a secondary link between The God, and "God was the Word", Theos en ho Logos. There is no article before God was the Word to distinguish that the God is any different from God who was the Logos (Word). I'll look up what you're saying but at face value the Greek seems to disagree with your comment.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s True, no man has ever seen God. Our physical vision range is only 0.00004 to 0.00007 cm. and that is why we had Jesus to begin with.
SO WE COULD SEE GOD!
Maybe that is a little too deep for shallow minds.
The trinity doctrine is a form of Idolatry...just like greed and stubbornness.
Worst form of idolatry
They literally bow down and kiss icons... Which are graven or painted images. They PRAY towards them and consider them divine. Disgusting!
Well, my Dad was stubborn, but he was not greedy. He spent plenty of money on my education. God is kind of like that.
I have replaced my music playlist with your videos. Now I work out and learn! I love it. Thank you very much and God bless all of you and your families
Praise God Jesus and the trinity.
@@follow_the_way yikes.... no thanks
@@afruze14 You are not claiming to be a Christian, are you?
@@follow_the_way No. I'm not a Christian. I adhere to the Bahai Faith
@@follow_the_way how can you still believe in the trinity after watching this video
Hi, can we please have a link to the slides
Hi, no.
One of my major problems with the trinity is freewill and love. Jesus says the Father loves Him and He loves the Father, the requirements for love take separate beings with separate wills to make a choice of will to work for the best of the other.
The other is ontology of greatness as we can give all coherent maximally great attributes to God. One attribute of greatness is to have a perfect heir, trained up children and offspring is a virtue and attribute of greatness we can recognize. It is better to have that attribute than to not have it.
Jesus clearly says "not my will but yours" -- so yes, this standard of requirements for love are met. (Other than "requires separate beings" -- why not distinct Persons with their own wills? Seems like circular reasoning to me.)
WRONG! Love does NOT require two separate beings. A sweetheart can break your heart.
Jesus said to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
@@TheGuitarReb Thatâs two separate beings, your neighbor and yourself. Nobody loves someone that breaks their heart they love the idea of that person that doesnât break their heart that they have imagined them to be. Christ and the Father love each other and are an example of love: John 5: âVerily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.â
@@logicianbones If the love of the Father for the Son isnât love between separate beings then what is it? Logically that leaves few alternatives.
I will pray for you because you have never had your heart broken by someone that you deeply loved.
Jesus deeply loved all of mankind.
I very deeply loved my Earthly Father and we shared much physical DNA but I could never be "likewise" and he never broke my heart either.
As a male, it would take a female to do that.
As Jesus, it would take a religion to break His heart.
Thus Jesus & Father are the same just as a married man and a woman become the same with children. We are the children of God! God is Father & Son where in the wife is the Holy Church. The Holy Spirit lives within the Church just as our DNA lives within our physical bodies.
True the Son could do nothing of Himself just as I could not have Grandchildren of myself. My wife & I were one person together for 56 years but now I find it very difficult to do ANYTHING on my own!
I know that you are a Christian and I pray that you may learn the meaning of The Father/ The Son/and the Holy Spirit as I learned of it some 50 years ago.
God bless you.
I do believe in the divinity and pre-existence of Jesus. Iâm not a Unitarian nor a trinitarian. Not sure where I fall. You have some excellent points. But mostly, I am impressed by a humble and sincere teacher. I get so tired of hearing other smug know it alls that are so impressed with their rout learning, and presuppositions. Excellent video!!!
I think belief must be based on scripture.
I also am tempted to believe certain stuff, but I kinda hold it back, especially if it's totally assumption from my side or by random people...
I think we should think about what "divinity" really means, i think when we talk about God, we talk about the supreme authority over the rest, the Father, the originator...
I think the originator is before Abraham but also before "the son" to speak in Christian terminology.
This also bearing in mind that the authors of the 4 Gospels are annonymous, and some argue probably Pauline Christians...
And Paul had major differences of opinion with actual disciples who Jesus pbuh taught personally....
God knows best the truth.
I think Jesus pbuh probably pre-exists the coming of Abraham to the world. Idk, but we all do spiritually because before coming here we were in some other place... I say this based on the Quran, and I suspect also in older scripture it may say this...
We must for sure study more, to have our beliefs grounded... also to follow the law, this is quite clear, Jesus pbuh didn't come to take the law out at all...
And the law is as important as the heart and character...
Peace be with you.
Do you believe that Christ began to exist. If so, please offer a citation?
@@trumenfreight6055 no starting point is given in scripture that I know of
@@jap3270 So how are you not trinitarian?
@@trumenfreight6055 Not doubting the lee existence and divinity of Christ, just wondering how to apply the subordination verses, thatâs the father is greater than the son.
Thank you Sean, this is a very impressive presentation. You're clearly an intelligent person. I street preach and recently met a Christian who when he learned my wife and I doubt the trinity, he had a complete melt down and told us we'll burn in hell. How's that for a loving Christian attitude. Sine day one of studying the Bible, 30 years ago, I have not once yet managed to be convinced on this illogical doctrine, it makes absolutely no sense at all. The idea of Peter being Satan fooling Eve was funny, but in fact the trinity is about as flawed. Great talk and I will be sharing this with people who doubt we, non-trinity believers, are right; you make so many clear and valid points, best I have seen.
Does Finnegan have any books published on the issue of the trinity?
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
Excellent job in teaching us how to discern any Biblical dispute!!
Thank very much needed!!đđ»
TrinityâŹïž
âThen God said, âLet US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.
ââGenesis⏠â1:26⏠â
âThen the Lord God said, âBehold, the man has become like one of US in knowing good and evil.
ââGenesis⏠â3:22⏠â
âCome, let US go down and there confuse their language.
ââGenesis⏠â11:7⏠â
SpiritâŹïž
âThe Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.â
ââJob⏠â33:4⏠â
âWhen you send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.â
ââPsalm⏠â104:30⏠â
âThe earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.â
ââGenesis⏠â1:2⏠â
Angel of the lord aka jesus Old TestamentâŹïž
âThe ANGEL of the Lord said to her, âReturn to your mistress and submit to her.â The ANGEL of the Lord also said to her, âI WILL SURELY MULTIPLY YOUR OFFSPRING SO THAT THEY CANNOT BE NUMBERED FOR MULTITUDE.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â16:9-10⏠â
Who can multiply descendants apart from God alone? Angel means Messenger 50% of the time btw.
âBut the ANGEL of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, âAbraham, Abraham!â And he said, âHere I am.â He said, âDo not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, YOUR ONLY SON FROM ME.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â22:11-12⏠â
âAnd he blessed Joseph and said, âThe God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, the ANGEL who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â48:15-16⏠â
Jesus + The Angel of the lord
ââBehold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.â
ââExodus⏠â23:20-21⏠â
âAnd a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, âThis is my beloved Son; listen to him.â And suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone with them but Jesus only.â
ââMark⏠â9:7-8⏠â
3 persons 1 being!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For He said, âSurely they are My people, Children who will not lie.â So He became their Savior. In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the ANGEL of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old. But they rebelled and grieved His HOLY SPIRIT; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.â
ââIsaiah⏠â63:8-10⏠â
âThe grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.â
ââ2 Corinthians⏠â13:14⏠â
Repent if you reject the Trinity Then you object who God is and you are not saved and you will be one that Jesus never knew!!
Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God. John 1 and many other verses show that the "word", Jesus, pre- existed creation.
This video is absolutely amazing! The same logic that Paul used in his epistles is used in this video and it makes the gospel extremely simple. The distinction between the Father and the Son also preserves the most important relationship of all of history.
you are absolutely right.
False. The Jews were not unitarians. In Exo 23v20-26 Yahuwah gave the children of Israel the Angel to worship. He even refers to the Angel in the third person as Yahuwah. The angel that had the name of Yahuwah in Him is the one that dwelt in the temple while his master was in heaven. When the children of Israel stood before Yahuwah in the temple they where standing before the Angel. When they gave sacrifices in the temple they where offering them to the Angel. When Daniel prayed in the direction of the temple he was were praying to the Angel. Yet their prayers are heard in heaven above (1 kings 8). That means that Jewish monotheistic worship involved at least two people. They called this "two powers in heaven" . Unitarians need to stop assuming that history sides with them without reading it. Worship of the Angel was essential to torah observance. There was no worship to YHWH without worshiping the Angel, NEVER.
In Gen 48v15-16 Jacob prays to the Angel.
The Jews rejected the Angel when they rejected Christ. Look at all their prayer books. They do not pray to the Angel like Jacob did and Moses instructed.
â@@trumenfreight6055so what is your conclusion? I'm honestly asking, cause I'm new to all this, are you on side of Trinity or something else entirely? Please take this question as it is- genuine seeking for truth, thank you đïž
@@karolinaszczudlo9871 I am a hardened to the marrow trinitarian. There is NO WAY to worship God biblicaly without worshiping the Angel (Gen 48, 1 king 8, Judges 6). God has two bodies and one spirit native to both bodies. That spirit can talk to and interact with prophets. This means that God can be in three different locations at simultaneously. In heaven, the tample and in the prophet.
@@trumenfreight6055 hmmmm, thank You for your reply, just couple questions based on arguments I came across, it's many, but just couple here, not to bore you, so one it would be what about Christ praying to Father in Haven in the garden to take away the chalice, his destiny on Cross? Why would he pray to Himself? Second - if Christ is God in sense as Almighty God is, then how come He literally died on cross, when God can't die? This just arguments I came across and it made me think. Christ often talk about His Father in Haven, and for sure we can't take it literally as in our earthly families, like Christ had mother and father etc, so that's already mysterious relationship, plus what that exactly means He is a Word of God, think ppl pretend to understand it...for me is still not 100% clear , hence I'm asking and looking, searching and knocking, but for me is this, that in OT it's said whoever would see God - he would die, hence Christ always was "designated" as God's image, representation for us as humans to be able to relate to Him, ( first as you mentioned as this mysterious angel), then as incarnate Man without blemishes though still suffering enormously, Christ is called also second Adam - so one who closing door of sin and death which first Adam opened,
I don't know what exactly Unitarians think about Christ, this that He's son of God, but what does it means exactly?
Excellent Video! What a good and humble attitude and everything he is saying makes sense to me.
Just to let the channel know, the link to the Sean's "Five Major Problems With The Trinity" link does not work as it takes you to a unavailable video while you can still find it on this channel, probably reuploaded or something.
Thanks so much. We will check it out.
@@21stOneGod hey, sorry I meant to put this on Sean's "Yahweh - The God Of Jesus (One God Over All - Pt 4) - by Sean Finnegan" the link in that description to this video doesn't seem to work for some reason. Thanks for the response and video.
5 unsolved problems. Trinity fails. đ
Mathematic's never lies. The crucifixion of Jesus can be reduced to an analectic geometry equation. moment of time, speed of orbits, tilt of Earth axis, distances between Earth, Moon & Sun, range of Umber. in other words, a total eclipse of the Sun when Jesus died. Also an Earthquake at the same time! That is in the Bible and never happens that way in nature.
How do you know Gen 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8 is God talking to angels??
What scripture do you have that say angels had ANY hand in creation? What scripture do you have that say angels are created in the image of God? Or, that humans were created in the image of angels??
Please answer these questions for me. Iâm prepared to come to your side if you can answer them sufficiently. Iâll give you my personal contact info for dialogue.
Just look at Gen 1: 27 it says God created man in HIS OWN IMAGE.
Not in their own image.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s
Right. Thats the point Iâm trying to make. If angels helped God create man, they MUST have Biblical proof of it.
They donât.
If they believe angels are involved, then they MUST give Biblical proof that angels are also created in the image of God.
They donât.
Also, I canât decide if youâre agreeing with me or not.
These are very valid points you are bringing up, I'd like to hear their response
Good call. If God says let Us then isnt it logical that He would be talking to the One who created creation on His behalf. And the NT if full of references as to who that One is.
@@lampandlightpathways
They NEVER answer. They post their stuff and avoid any valid questions. Iâve talked to so many oneness and UPC believers, and NONE have the guts to respond.
Why no reference from the latest version with corrections to original Abraham's theology.
Brilliant!
Got to love any person from any faith and background that starts off with Questions! And dissects his theologies and beliefs thatâs on basis of teachings by others! (For the most part)
I started as a Muslim and then questioned some aspects of the faith (mostly on the grounds that I was taught and directed as a young person) - corruption exists in ALL Faith and beliefs! Then traveled the world with the means of finding answers, explored all faiths and was drawn partially close toward the Buddhist faith and teachings!
Until I learned more by a Muslim scholar and circled back to Islam after reading Quran in entirety and dissecting it! And understanding itâs core message.
To me the concept of God(s) does not make sense. Whether you think about it theologically or philosophically!
All monotheists religion have a singular message and that is in worshiping of THE singular GOD.
Great video! Thanks
Yooo hol up..... let me first get this clear, you are a muslim right now right??? Coz i have questions on your comment
I would advise you to further yourself form Islam. Jesus would never have approved of Muhammed and the evil deeds he did and allowed his followers to partake in. Christ is who you should follow. The Christian Bible is correct they just made a mistake on the Trinity
@@andrewbradley3305 I respect Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad equally as the prophets of God delivering the same message. None different from one another and equality great. All MEN - NOT sons of God. Thereâs your answer
@@ProphetMusaMeizon hi, submitter - and whatâs your question?!
TrinityâŹïž
âThen God said, âLet US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.
ââGenesis⏠â1:26⏠â
âThen the Lord God said, âBehold, the man has become like one of US in knowing good and evil.
ââGenesis⏠â3:22⏠â
âCome, let US go down and there confuse their language.
ââGenesis⏠â11:7⏠â
SpiritâŹïž
âThe Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.â
ââJob⏠â33:4⏠â
âWhen you send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.â
ââPsalm⏠â104:30⏠â
âThe earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.â
ââGenesis⏠â1:2⏠â
Angel of the lord aka jesus Old TestamentâŹïž
âThe ANGEL of the Lord said to her, âReturn to your mistress and submit to her.â The ANGEL of the Lord also said to her, âI WILL SURELY MULTIPLY YOUR OFFSPRING SO THAT THEY CANNOT BE NUMBERED FOR MULTITUDE.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â16:9-10⏠â
Who can multiply descendants apart from God alone? Angel means Messenger 50% of the time btw.
âBut the ANGEL of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, âAbraham, Abraham!â And he said, âHere I am.â He said, âDo not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, YOUR ONLY SON FROM ME.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â22:11-12⏠â
âAnd he blessed Joseph and said, âThe God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, the ANGEL who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â48:15-16⏠â
Jesus + The Angel of the lord
ââBehold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.â
ââExodus⏠â23:20-21⏠â
âAnd a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, âThis is my beloved Son; listen to him.â And suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone with them but Jesus only.â
ââMark⏠â9:7-8⏠â
3 persons 1 being!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For He said, âSurely they are My people, Children who will not lie.â So He became their Savior. In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the ANGEL of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old. But they rebelled and grieved His HOLY SPIRIT; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.â
ââIsaiah⏠â63:8-10⏠â
âThe grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.â
ââ2 Corinthians⏠â13:14⏠â
Repent if you reject the Trinity Then you object who God is and you are not saved and you will be one that Jesus never knew!!
This is so good and thorough. Well organized and presented. Easy to follow and understand
TrinityâŹïž
âThen God said, âLet US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.
ââGenesis⏠â1:26⏠â
âThen the Lord God said, âBehold, the man has become like one of US in knowing good and evil.
ââGenesis⏠â3:22⏠â
âCome, let US go down and there confuse their language.
ââGenesis⏠â11:7⏠â
SpiritâŹïž
âThe Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.â
ââJob⏠â33:4⏠â
âWhen you send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.â
ââPsalm⏠â104:30⏠â
âThe earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.â
ââGenesis⏠â1:2⏠â
Angel of the lord aka jesus Old TestamentâŹïž
âThe ANGEL of the Lord said to her, âReturn to your mistress and submit to her.â The ANGEL of the Lord also said to her, âI WILL SURELY MULTIPLY YOUR OFFSPRING SO THAT THEY CANNOT BE NUMBERED FOR MULTITUDE.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â16:9-10⏠â
Who can multiply descendants apart from God alone? Angel means Messenger 50% of the time btw.
âBut the ANGEL of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, âAbraham, Abraham!â And he said, âHere I am.â He said, âDo not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, YOUR ONLY SON FROM ME.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â22:11-12⏠â
âAnd he blessed Joseph and said, âThe God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, the ANGEL who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â48:15-16⏠â
Jesus + The Angel of the lord
ââBehold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.â
ââExodus⏠â23:20-21⏠â
âAnd a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, âThis is my beloved Son; listen to him.â And suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone with them but Jesus only.â
ââMark⏠â9:7-8⏠â
3 persons 1 being!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For He said, âSurely they are My people, Children who will not lie.â So He became their Savior. In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the ANGEL of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old. But they rebelled and grieved His HOLY SPIRIT; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.â
ââIsaiah⏠â63:8-10⏠â
âThe grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.â
ââ2 Corinthians⏠â13:14⏠â
Repent if you reject the Trinity Then you object who God is and you are not saved and you will be one that Jesus never knew!!
In case others might be deceived if this old vid comes up in their recommendations as it did for mine and since unfortunately not a lot of people know the basics that debunk slick, kind-acting (and hopefully well-intentioned but if so seriously misled) promoters of Unitarianism using these arguments:
(A review from the perspective of having done, prior to later research of what others said on it, many full-Bible studies directly on this subject, and also later studying up on what Trinitarians believe, and studying logic and having seen that it's soundly proven correct.)
I'll start by quoting his five main points (errors), in the final wording he puts on one slide near the end since that makes it convenient for me to type them out here in quotes. Then I'll cover some errors he made along the way that stood out to me (there were too many to cover in full though).
"1. Jesus affirmed the theology of a non-Trinitarian Jewish scribe." Bad argument -- it doesn't say he was non-Trinitarian, and nothing they talked about would require a Unitarian Jew, if any did exist at the time, to have a dispute as those statements are compatible with either view.
Jesus teach, that Father is only one God. On it depends everlasting life. John 17:3
and Jesus also says that He gives life just as the Father does. he also says that all must honour Him just as they honour the Father!!
@@pankaja7974 yes nice.
@@pankaja7974 you must also honor the husband as you honor God đ u want a reference for that..
Ephesians 6:5 is another one for you.
@@RichLifeMY in 17:1 JESUS CHRIST did not pray like that
@Christian Man read John 17:1 Jesus Christ pray looking towards the sky... Do you claim different???
What are the 4 texts where God uses the word US. I know Genesis and Isaiah but i cant find the other 2?
You should know that many middle eastern languages have what is known as the plural of respect, not plural in numbers, it's just avoiding saying Me! Me! or I, I , in the Quran Allah uses the same plural of respect, "We created ......"
Mr. Allen You are a pagan heretic destined to hell for believing false doctrines like Vicarious Atonement and tritheism masked under the name of Trinity, a mathematical impossibility 1+1+1=1
@@akb504 show me arabic literature before muhamad using plural of respect
Us is a proverb of respect for singular. It is used in all languages even for One person as a respected term
@@tinotendandabanengi9278 It's infinite stupidity. 1 Ă 1 Ă 1 = 1, not Trinity. It's high time you threw Trinity down the drain in favor of your invention, Infinity. Christians have no other option but bringing up things that don't exist in the Bible. In what sense was Jesus infinite who could not even help himself in the first place.
Awesome! Mr. Finnegan, you're the MAN. Love it, so much food for thought.......and I've thought about it and come to your same conclusion. Many, many thanks.
And you believed all what he said without checking if it's true or not. He said Jesus is a liar, then if Jesus is a liar Mr. Finnegan believed that Jesus is the Messiah and Savior but not a God. Well if Jesus is a liar then the scriptures says the Lamb of God is imperfect or have defect since he is a sinner therefore Jesus can't be the Savior and Messiah. In John 8:58 Jesus claim that before Abraham was, "I Am" which means in Greek "ego eimi" which is "I am" "I exist" in short Jesus said "I am God" . Mr. Finnegan also said there is no Trinity in the Bible, yes there is none. But he believes that God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent but I challenge him to show me in the Bible those words omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent written in the Bible.
@@emmanuelsalomon8954 The truer translation is not I Am , but I Will Be What I Will Be. I am aware of all the arguments from the world organization of "cherry picking" and errant translations from the assembled books of unknown authorship. I reject the "theory" of Original sin as being absurd on the face of it. And G-d rejects the sacrificing of virgin humans as a tribute to Him. And additional states no man shall bare the burden of another man's sin.
G-d's attributes such as Omniscient etc., are just common sense deduction. Trinities were common for that period in time, but made no sense and traditions of your faith that followed just ape pagan rituals such as Dec. 25th and the Spring Equinox . Sorry And no one called him Emmanuel so try and exercise the attributes of Salomon and be wise in your worship. G-d is One.
@@emmanuelsalomon8954 Did it ever occur to you that YOUR definition of Messiah and the true definite might be at odds. It's a Hebrew word with a expectation that does not align with yours.
TrinityâŹïž
âThen God said, âLet US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.
ââGenesis⏠â1:26⏠â
âThen the Lord God said, âBehold, the man has become like one of US in knowing good and evil.
ââGenesis⏠â3:22⏠â
âCome, let US go down and there confuse their language.
ââGenesis⏠â11:7⏠â
SpiritâŹïž
âThe Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.â
ââJob⏠â33:4⏠â
âWhen you send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.â
ââPsalm⏠â104:30⏠â
âThe earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.â
ââGenesis⏠â1:2⏠â
Angel of the lord aka jesus Old TestamentâŹïž
âThe ANGEL of the Lord said to her, âReturn to your mistress and submit to her.â The ANGEL of the Lord also said to her, âI WILL SURELY MULTIPLY YOUR OFFSPRING SO THAT THEY CANNOT BE NUMBERED FOR MULTITUDE.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â16:9-10⏠â
Who can multiply descendants apart from God alone? Angel means Messenger 50% of the time btw.
âBut the ANGEL of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, âAbraham, Abraham!â And he said, âHere I am.â He said, âDo not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, YOUR ONLY SON FROM ME.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â22:11-12⏠â
âAnd he blessed Joseph and said, âThe God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, the ANGEL who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â48:15-16⏠â
Jesus + The Angel of the lord
ââBehold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.â
ââExodus⏠â23:20-21⏠â
âAnd a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, âThis is my beloved Son; listen to him.â And suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone with them but Jesus only.â
ââMark⏠â9:7-8⏠â
3 persons 1 being!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For He said, âSurely they are My people, Children who will not lie.â So He became their Savior. In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the ANGEL of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old. But they rebelled and grieved His HOLY SPIRIT; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.â
ââIsaiah⏠â63:8-10⏠â
âThe grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.â
ââ2 Corinthians⏠â13:14⏠â
Repent if you reject the Trinity Then you object who God is and you are not saved and you will be one that Jesus never knew!!
Tolstoyan anarchist Christian here. Loved the talk thanks.
What's up to our Muslim brothers in the comments
Bless up
Please would you give us a link to explain ? What is a "Tolstoyan anarchist Christian" ? Sounds like a really fun doctrine !
@@bannerman100 Leo tolstoy The kingdom of God is within you
@@bannerman100 or just wiki Christian anarchism
Can you Please do a video on forged verses? GOD BLESS
Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God. John 1 and many other verses show that the "word", Jesus, pre- existed creation.
Such a great simple explanation. GOD BLESSED YOU BROTHER.
CASE IN POINT: Five major problems?? LOL it's a total LIE problem. Are you alluding the trinity is correct but it has 5 major problems??? lol The trinity doctrine was invented by the team that the emperor of Rome , Constantine the Great , who summoned Graeco-Roman philosophers and theologians to formulate a philosophical doctrine to confuse those who were not educated and keep the nobles submissive to his authority as a Roman church. The trinity concept came from Plato's teachings about existential or his ontological theory regarding the nature and existence of the messiah and the Patheon Roman gods concept...which is also known as Pantheism. . Then, the church adopted the concept and applied it to the Abrahamic faith inserting their paganism in it.
The so called church even tampered the Scriptures to support their philosophical position which also embraced the Roman old religion called Mithraism and Gnosticism. Later, these two religions were replaced by the new religion which in modern day is known as "Christianity." the Roman church even tampered the Holy Scriptures to call the followers of the Hebrew Messiah 'Christians" where in the Hebrew Bible called them "Messianic Jews" or Nazarenes. This is a historical fact. There was no such a thing as a word as christians' . I am a Sephardic Jew, that's why my people never believed in any Jesus or trinity doctrine because we knew that the Romans created a conspiracy to use our FAITH to control the world. I believe in my Hebrew Messiah but not according to Christianity.
Matthew2414 Network Are you there?
@@iqrainstitution4365 yeah what's up?
Matthew2414 Network May I ask what do you believe in?
@@iqrainstitution4365 what is written in the Bible. The question is what do you believe in? Let me get your feedback from these Scriptures.
Can you tell me what you understand from Romans 11:1,2 and 25, 28,29? put more emphasis on verse 28,29 even though it only confirms what the prophets wrote anyway
The Greek culture strongly influenced the Trinity !!
Wonderful presentation..i like it
Thank you dear am Muslim but I have enjoyed your teachings.
You aren't any different than the pagan Unitarians repent and call of the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to save you
@anab Osman Allah is going to Hell with the Unitarian God, as he is pagan and weak and pathetic. I know more than Allah because I know Jesus, Yahweh and the Holy Spirit. Jesus rose from the dead,therefore Jesus is who he claims to be and that is God. He will save you if you call on him. Its Jesus save me from my sins.
@anab Osman actually I am pretty happy, I feel sorry for you because Allah your God is evil and so is your prophet. Repent now or you will perish. Do it while you still have a chance
@@thereawakening9475 do you want to know the character of the god on the old testament?
@@phenomenal17playz that is an ignorant question, itâs the same character, as there is love, mercy and judgment in both testaments
Nice speech congratulations.
Brother I do appreciate Your Honesty and Humble explanation and I do appreciate that you atleast ready to except that no where in the bible it proves trinity not even by jesus christ (pbuh) and in old tastement also.
Jesus is Son of God. He died for our sins to atone for the wrath we deserve from God and he was resurrected to have eternal life. He has been given authority /power from Yahweh (God) on heaven and Earth.
It clearly states in The Bible "No one comes to the Father (God) except through Me" (Jesus) The Bible also says John Baptized Jesus and the Holy Spirit came upon Him. Father/Son/Holy Spirit.
The Trinity is written about in several other places in the New Testament.
1 Who is God? 2 God is jesus. 1 Do you mean jesus son of mary? 2 Yes and he is son of God..1 Do you mean God is son of himself? 2 ohh
lets say you make a video game, a long story full of interesting characters. you create the whole game, mountains rivers villages cities. then you want to be a character in the game, the protagonist. how would you do that?
The fact that people say GOD can do anything but refuse to agreed He came down through a virgin birth is mind boggling! I mean He is God right??? Cant he be on earth and in heaven at the same time???? Whats hard there to believeđđđđđ
Not washing hands before eating? I thought thatâs where the church says itâs ok to eat unclean things?
How did yo learn this approach?? Approaching a subject from within someoneâs belief system.
We can approach it from the Bible alone. The idea that God is three persons is taught nowhere in the entire Bible. So even if you don't subscribe to a specific denomination, or don't even believe in God, you can't come away with a belief that the Bible teaches the Trinity if you use the Bible itself as your evidence. It is a man-made teaching.
6:45 Also, the author, Mark, would have included a side note to explain why Jesus did not talk to them about the Trinity. He would write "for they knew not of the Trinity at this time."
15:40 This is the one that broke it wide open for me. And God is not the author of confusion.
19:00 Also notice the in AD398 no Jewish Christians were part of this Religion that Rome was creating. The Jews were completely ignored after AD312. (I don't know the dates, but you know what I am saying.)
NOTE: Also, realize that it is not a requirement of Salvation to believe in a Trinity therefore there is no cause for us to believe in a Trinity even if it were true. Also, therefore, since believing in more than One God is a sin, it behooves us to NOT believe in a Trinity at all.
My 5 Things to Ask:
1. Is belief in Trinity a requirement of Salvation?
2. How did the Jews 2000 years ago readily accept a Trinity?
3. Why can't anyone even today explain the Trinity properly?
4. Is God the author of confusion?
5. If idolatry is a sin, is it more dangerous to believe in a Trinity than to believe in the One True God, or strictly what Scripture tells us rather than man-made doctrines on the Trinity?
Exodus 3:15 "I am Jehovah. THAT is my name to be used FOREVER. That single scripture destroys the Trinity permanently. End of Discussion. He never adopted the name Jesus
But Jesus adopted the name Jehovah...I AM
âDo you even have a basic grasp of the English language? Have you ever read the context together just for fun? Try it, you'll quickly see how ridiculous your comment was.
@@mmichaelou812 he never says "I am 'I AM'", he only says I AM.
"Before Abraham, God" can't be him claiming to be God, all he had to say was "God" after
â@mmichaelou812 he never says I am in that sense. Not capitalized. Jesus existed before Abraham because Jehovah created Jesus 1st.
It would've been clearly told in the scriputes in Jesus adopted the most holy name YHWH, but its not in the scriptures.
Thanks for teaching the masses. keep the good work. May God bless you.
TrinityâŹïž
âThen God said, âLet US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.
ââGenesis⏠â1:26⏠â
âThen the Lord God said, âBehold, the man has become like one of US in knowing good and evil.
ââGenesis⏠â3:22⏠â
âCome, let US go down and there confuse their language.
ââGenesis⏠â11:7⏠â
SpiritâŹïž
âThe Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.â
ââJob⏠â33:4⏠â
âWhen you send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.â
ââPsalm⏠â104:30⏠â
âThe earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.â
ââGenesis⏠â1:2⏠â
Angel of the lord aka jesus Old TestamentâŹïž
âThe ANGEL of the Lord said to her, âReturn to your mistress and submit to her.â The ANGEL of the Lord also said to her, âI WILL SURELY MULTIPLY YOUR OFFSPRING SO THAT THEY CANNOT BE NUMBERED FOR MULTITUDE.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â16:9-10⏠â
Who can multiply descendants apart from God alone? Angel means Messenger 50% of the time btw.
âBut the ANGEL of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, âAbraham, Abraham!â And he said, âHere I am.â He said, âDo not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, YOUR ONLY SON FROM ME.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â22:11-12⏠â
âAnd he blessed Joseph and said, âThe God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, the ANGEL who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.ââ
ââGenesis⏠â48:15-16⏠â
Jesus + The Angel of the lord
ââBehold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.â
ââExodus⏠â23:20-21⏠â
âAnd a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, âThis is my beloved Son; listen to him.â And suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone with them but Jesus only.â
ââMark⏠â9:7-8⏠â
3 persons 1 being!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For He said, âSurely they are My people, Children who will not lie.â So He became their Savior. In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the ANGEL of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old. But they rebelled and grieved His HOLY SPIRIT; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.â
ââIsaiah⏠â63:8-10⏠â
âThe grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.â
ââ2 Corinthians⏠â13:14⏠â
Repent if you reject the Trinity Then you object who God is and you are not saved and you will be one that Jesus never knew!!
When God said in Genesis 1:26 'let us make man in our image after our likeness', God addressed His angels not in a sense that the angels were going to participate in the creation of man or that God had to look at the angels for a model when He created man but that He wanted them join Him in celebration and rejoicing with Him when God created man (see Genesis 1:26 - 31 and the beginning of Job 38 leading all the way up to verse 7 - read everything in context because context is king!)
Hmmm.....who does the NT say created creation? The One that created creation on Gods behalf must have been with Him in the beginning or before the beginning. Who are we talking about? Surely its not bizarre that God should say to His Administrator ..... Let Us.
I think he's talking about Him (God YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah) & Jesus creating everything together. Jesus was created by God first... then they together (2 different beings) created everything together. Meaning Jesus isn't God, but rather he was created by God.
Amen. God bless
And you believed all what he said without checking if it's true or not. He said Jesus is a liar, then if Jesus is a liar Mr. Finnegan believed that Jesus is the Messiah and Savior but not a God. Well if Jesus is a liar then the scriptures says the Lamb of God is imperfect or have defect since he is a sinner therefore Jesus can't be the Savior and Messiah. In John 8:58 Jesus claim that before Abraham was, "I Am" which means in Greek "ego eimi" which is "I am" "I exist" in short Jesus said "I am God" . Mr. Finnegan also said there is no Trinity in the Bible, yes there is none. But he believes that God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent but I challenge him to show me in the Bible those words omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent written in the Bible
1 major problem with it,it is error masquerading as truth.
LOL đ at you masquerading as a Christian âïž
Disprove it , because this video sure didnât
Read your Bible which says nothing about a confusing 3 persons yet 1 God doctrine
@@blackpatriot3 Maybe, however the Divine Council does. Doubt this and stay on a pagan path, hence the harlots following the Mother of all the harlots, Rome.
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Our God is simply mind-blowingly-incredible.
Delusional
@@orangesoul4289 if I die and none of it is true Iâll still be happier than living like this world.
Someone will make 10 in 1 god and it would become trueđđđđ
Then say mindblowing
@@shawnbeck3962 and if there is the judgment after you died?
Very good informative. Praise be to YYWH
What is Sean Finnegan?
This question to be answered by everyone who are sitting under this launcher, even if it is after 12years.
I thought the conclusion of this video was interesting and sum up the issue of the Trinity nicely. Nobody understands the Trinity and it's not taught in the Bible. How about the non-trinitarian Doctrine, does it make sense? Yes, it's perfectly logical and nobody struggles to understand it because it's simple
What is that doctrine in your own words?
So do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Messiah Shawn. How is Jesus talking to you right now? This is of utmost importance hearing Clearly the voice of The Good Shepherd today. Shalom.
@@watchmen-nehemiah4v20 Arianism is a nontrinitarian Christological doctrine which holds that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, who was begotten by God the Father, and is distinct from the Father (therefore subordinate to him), but the Son is also God the Son but not co-eternal with God the Father
@@shawnmorgan7839
Hi Shawn. Let The Holy Spirit guide you into all truth regarding The Father, The Holy Spirit and Jesus Messiah. I would ask and then confirm in The Word the truth regarding Jesus. How much authority does Jesus have? Who created all things for Himself? Who is coming back as The Righteous Judge? Who holds THE Keys? Who is called Alpha and Omega? What reason(s) exist that The Bible does NOT explain nor put emphasis on any doctrine such as is discussed in this video? Who is it that guides us into ALL Truth?
Heavenly Father. I adore you and magnify you for you are excellence and perfect in all of your ways. Please guide me into all truth and understanding that I may perceive your ways, your precepts, your commands and your glory. Thankyou for revelation direct from you. Thankyou that I hear your voice and not another's. Thank you for comforting me and hiding me away in Christ. Please be with those who are hungering and in isolation and in depression. Send more laborers!!! Thank you for comforting and providing for me daily. I ask that I may speak boldly today and help and love my neighbor for the glory of Jesus. I ask in the Mighty everlasting name above all names, Jesus Christ. Amen.
@@shawnmorgan7839
Jesus says "follow me". Jesus sets free. My life is hidden in Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. Jesus is my exceedingly great reward. So much so that I am not ensnared in doctrines or theologies, nor debates, nor rhetoricologicalian theologies, nor beholden to whitewashed tombiologies of intellectual outer appearances. This is because it is Jesus with whom I supp with. Shalom
ok, so god create his mother before he is being born and become god??
God created us after His own image and likeness.
That divine power and love image got destroyed in the fall of man.
That is why there is all this confusion, sicknesses, selfishness, strange philosophies, death etc.
So mankind fell and has a huge debt.
As you well know Leviticus concludes: There is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of innocent blood.
Now God enters the scene. Because of amazing love He stooped down frim glory manifesting in Christ to show life as He intended it to be: walking in divine power and love. Healing all, casting out demons, raising the dead, controlling nature.
As being the manifestation of God in human form, His soul is flawless. And as you know as Leviticus says: the soul is in the blood.
Ultimately, because of love for His creation, He brought the most extreme perfect love-sacrifice: martyred beyond description, dying on a cross to pay of mankinds debt for the fall of man. As written He was raised to life again for mankind's justification.
Now the blood of goats covers sin. Imagine what the holy blood of Jesus does on your behalf... it makes you a dwelling place for the all powerfull Holy Spirit of God again.
The Holy Spirit of God in you gives revelation, changes you in to the same unselfish divine power and love creation as Christ.
So the Gospel is a restoration of Gen 1:27 where God says: "Let us make man in our image and likeness and let them have authority". Walking Christlike, for He is the exact image of the invisible God. The image we were created after and being restored to.
"I have come to give you Zoë = divine life in abundance. If you see Me you see the Father. The Father and I are one. Freely I give you My Kingdom. I will send Holy Spirit, He will be IN you and guide you into truth and give you explosive power. Heal the sick, cast out demons, raise the dead, freely I have given you, freely share".
If you look at the lives of His first 12 + 72 friends.... they walked like Jesus. Casting out demons, and healing the sick, caring for all. Explaining this God given resolution for mankind's fall.
Exactly what i and lots of other Christians experience. Gods tangible presence, demons running for cover, sick that get healed, etc, etc.
So Allah/God came full circle. He has given us back the divine life Adam lost in his fall.
Muhammed never understood this nor walked in this unselfish divine power and love freely avaible through Gods passion. So, he made up another story leading millions away from the finished work of God and their divine destiny in God for this life. Very heartbreaking.
Www.anewcreationinchrist.nl/english
Bless
@@jesusdeity2010 nah god can erase your sin without sacrificing himself đ
Mary is mother of Jesus who took the form of a man to die for the sins of mankind, so who ever believes in him shall have eternal life...Mary is not the mother of God...
@@helmyoga7205 God could also kill sinners in the days of Noah without the flood, he could just cut off oxygen right??? But he did NOT he went for the flood. Like wise He didn't just erase sin just like that, He choose the way of the cross. Thats God u accept it or not its his ways of doing things that will NEVER be like your ways.
@@ProphetMusaMeizon exactly brother, we just think that how could God be so LOW by SACRIFICING HIMSELF to erase OUR (his creator) SIN? đ
Anyway your statement is 100% right brother. So have a good day
Sean, Do you speak as a member of a denomination that is non-trinitarian, or are you speaking solely on your own behalf?
Hi. thats a good question. Because a young man of his age is likely to be just regurgitating what he was taught from his upbringing . Assuming he wasnt an atheist or other before believing. But are young christians also just regurgitating what their church leaders have taught them. And were told they are of the devil if they believe differently. For me being an atheist til my conversion I after 20 years of believing in the trinity found scripture does not support the trinity. Just say exactly what scripture says. If you want clear help on this view go to lampandlightpathways for a good series on it. Regards.
The Godhead is obvious from Geneses 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
Thatâs a very good verse, but to whom God is referring is not made clear within it. Only by placing Jesus backwards into the verse to we arrive at Jesus being who God is talking to. Basically, we must already assume that God is talking to the others in the Godhead in order to see the Godhead in the verse.
We know this to be the case because the verse is much older than Christianity and has been interpreted beforehand. Jews have interpreted it as God speaking to the Angels, to Wisdom, or to himself using some form of âroyal weâ. In none of these much older interpretations on the verse do we see anything that could be construed as a plurality of equals or a Trinity. Further, none of them place a new character backwards into the equation but simply suppose God is talking to one of a handful of recognized concepts.
Nailed it đŹđ
"... waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great GOD and Savior Jesus Christ"
No he is messenger of God not God
@@salroonisar5334 It's an exact quote from Titus (Titus 2:13). So you're saying that apostle Paul was wrong and you know better!
@@rollingknuckleball My messages was for Salroo Nisar not for you.
@@rollingknuckleball Classic bulls.
@@rollingknuckleball What are you talking about? You are insane like your prophet.
Pastor may I ask, does the Bible also teach about Christianity?
are you trying to say "because the word Christian isn't in the Bible, the absence of the word trinity is also equally meaningless in refuting trinity theory"?
as with all trinitarians you don't read the Bible.
the word Christian is mentioned three times and it's clear what its use intends to mean. right now you're opening a search window on your iphone 7 and searching "is the word Christian in the bible" and you're seeing that trinitarians don't read or care about the bible any more than the mary idol worshippers do.
(just in case, the word "rapture" is also in the bible - if you have the latin version! haha! "rapture" - it's even spelled exactly the same in english as latin)
boy, may i ask, aren't you worried that your three headed triangle god thing that you can't explain is a violation of the first commandment? aren't you worried that you've fabricated your own false god that you're praying to? haha!
but more to your impotent backfiring objection: not only is the word trinity not in the bible, but...
the concept of it is not in the bible. it would be very easy to just say "God is one, but that one is really three coequal coeternal persons of YHWH, Jesus and the Holy Spirit," and from that we could fairly derive a trinity theory and i'd be on board with you with my oar in the water huffing and puffing all day about the glory of the three headed triangle thing. but instead trinitarians are left with only a ragtag few verses clumsily superglued together in a vacuum that ignores the THOUSANDS of verses that prohibit their precious silly sacred cow bs theory.
now you know that unitarians are smarter and better and - you guessed it - more enlightened by the holy spirit of God than you weird triangle worshippers are. now you know. tell your pastor about it.
now, go say your prayers to your three headed triangle thing just like your church pastor wants you to do, and don't do any independent thinking or praying about it, and certainly NEVER read the bible verses that prohibit trinity theory. just obey, fall in line, don't ask questions, and pray to the triangle thing. do it! immediately!!!
Christian was a term used as an insult to Christ followers. The word of God teaches us to be in relationship with God our father.
HI . Im curious to know what is the point you are trying to make. Thanks.
In several parts of the Bible God himself acknowledges that there are some other gods. Take for example Genesis when he talks in plural regarding Adam becoming like âusâ, to name just one.
The bigger problem with the trinity is that Jesus said He and the father were one, but also later prayed the we who believe would also become oneâŠno one wants to explain our oneness as it compares to Jesus oneness with God, through the in dwelling. This would result in quadrinity. Or maybe just maybe we missed something that no amount of study can reveal and only the spirit can reveal.
That is an excellent observation!
We are just HUMAN. We can't comprehend the MIND of God. We are not on HIS LEVEL. HOLY TRINITY is REAL as it was commanded by JESUS himself in Book Matthew 28:18-20. Then am wondering why this Finnegan misleading people MANLY understanding? Let's PRAY for him wherever HE is now.
The Bible days husband and wife are one. Jesus and God were "spiritually married" in that sense that Jesus obeyed God's will and submitted himself to receive God's instructions.
PLEASE Just take what Jesus is saying here. What you are trying to do is really you are questioning why and what Jesus is saying and really you are saying that WHAT JESUS IS SAYING is NOT TRUE.
PAULO===BRAZIL====GReat explanation!
Another is Phil 2:7. He emptied himself into being a human. Emptied. Clear. But if he was âall god and all manâ he didnât empty. The water in a jug being poured out into a cup, but only half goes into the cup and half remains in the jug⊠thatâs not emptied. Honestly, the list of scriptures that a problematic for trinity is massive. Thank you for your great sermon.
Very good point - the major problem with Trinitarian doctrine is that it has its basis in Greek metaphysics - which definitely surprises most Christians, as it is largely thought that Plato and Christianity are incompatible. The majority of the early Church 'Fathers' thought differently and the majority were to some degree influenced by Plato. While Augustine was largely influenced by the 'Enneads' of the neo-Platonist Plotinus,' Thomas Aquinas based the Summa Theologica on 'the Philosopher' (Aristotle) - which lies at the base of the 'Council of Trent', and also used Aristotle's 'Categories' to try to explain transubstantiation. Protestants such as Luther didn't buy into it. But there you are! Phil. 2:7 is part of the 'kenotic ('to empty') texts. One tenet of Greek metaphysics, is that God is immutable and impassible, and is therefore 'unable to change,' as this (according to the 2nd century Greek philosopher Celsus) is a change 'from best to worse.' This pattern of thought is seen in 'Systematic Theology,' which was written by the Calvinist Dutch theologian Louis Berkhof (1837-1957), is still read in seminaries today, and is thus still influences Pastors and thus rank and file Christians today.
"It [the kenosis] of Christ is altogether subversive of the doctrine of the immutability of God, which is plainly taught in Scripture, Mal. 3:6, Jas. 1:17, and which is also implied in the very idea of God. Absoluteness and mutability are mutually exclusive; and a mutable God is certainly not the God of Scripture . . . . It means a virtual destruction of the Trinity, and therefore takes away our very God. The humanized Son, self-emptied of His divine attributes, could no longer be a divine subsistence in the trinitarian life . . . . The Christ of the Kenotics is neither God nor man. In the words of Dr. Warfield His human nature is "just shrunken diety." " (Systematic Theology, L. Berkhof, 1996, pp.328, 329.)
The spectres of Plato and Aristotle are still with us today. Even the Catholic view of the love of God ('Caritas') is dependent upon Plato's 'Heavenly Eros' - Eros being enriched and ennobled by Agape, which is an impossible corruption of the character of God. The body of 'the beast' (that is, the major part of it) is indeed 'like a leopard (Greece)' (Rev. 13:2, c.f. Daniel 8:20,21)
All of that narrative is very nice and everything but 3 in one oil loosens rusty nuts.@@kymjones3655
Do you have an online church? No Oneness churches in my area.
Philippians 2:6 Jesus explains he is not equal to god
How so ?
"Who, being in the form of God,"this is a fragment of the sentence from the verse you are referring to,
The meaning of the sentence so very clear, but you don't understand either...!! Masyaallah.... are you human..??!
@@seventhstones9577 Ok, my friend. Is Jesus God ?
@@seventhstones9577 my reflection in the mirror is my image, the form of me. Is it actually me??? No. Being the reflection of something means literally you are like that something but not that very something. Paul said, 'he, although being in the form (image) of God' he never said 'he, although being God'.
Thats why its written in bible... He didn't consider his divinity and humbled himself to become a human being...so when he was on earth he represented him as a normal human being with out any powers..Thats why while doing miracles he borrowed power from father God...because he want to show how a powerless normal person can live in this world without sin and attain salvation
Great lecture, sir!
And you believed all what he said without checking if it's true or not. He said Jesus is a liar, then if Jesus is a liar Mr. Finnegan believed that Jesus is the Messiah and Savior but not a God. Well if Jesus is a liar then the scriptures says the Lamb of God is imperfect or have defect since he is a sinner therefore Jesus can't be the Savior and Messiah. In John 8:58 Jesus claim that before Abraham was, "I Am" which means in Greek "ego eimi" which is "I am" "I exist" in short Jesus said "I am God" . Mr. Finnegan also said there is no Trinity in the Bible, yes there is none. But he believes that God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent but I challenge him to show me in the Bible those words omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent written in the Bible
@@emmanuelsalomon8954 He did not say "Jesus is a liar." What he said that the concept of the Trinity makes a lie of statements made by Jesus found in scripture, and since he rejects Trinitarian concept, he rejects the notion that Jesus is a liar.
Can you explain to us the word "we" that is frequently used in Genesis? This is very simple.
I was unsure, then I started watching this video, and then halfway through I had to pause it, and begged God for forgiveness halfway through. I cannot fathom how much hurt this has caused God and Jesus.
We truly don't deserve a God that forgiving, or the forgiveness of our sins by Jesus.
Double think has a long a venerable tradition.
Is the Trinity double plus good or double plus bad?
Very good. However I'm surprised Sean didn't mention a very big 6th point : it is CLEARLY stated, multiple times, whether it is pre or post resurrection, that Jesus HAS a God. So how can he be the Supreme God if he has a God ?
When you are born again, you will be comforted and guided into all truth. Come into the sheepfold while it is yet day.
@@watchmen-nehemiah4v20 I believe I am and that I HAVE been guided... But I think, brother, that saying things like this from one christian to another, for one, isn't very humble and secondly doesn't leave us anywhere does it ? ;)
So let's just hear some people we all know were guided into all truth and see what Peter had to say and teach to his own people in Acts 2, 3 and 4... :)
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This is a great season to be in those chapters in Acts. Acts of the apostles is ongoing this very day. I pray we both speak boldly today to proclaim the good news as The Holy Spirit will give us the words to say. Are you made in God's image Marc? Do you know the Shema? God Bless you.
Also show me that Moses thing. I ask because I do not believe what you have stated can be shown the biblical text. Shalom.
@@watchmen-nehemiah4v20 I agree and I mentioned these chapters because I believe Peter is very clear and we don't really hear these words a lot these day in churches... Now, I do believe I'm a son of God thanks to the way, the truth and the life and I do know the Shema which is important for the issue at stake in this video :)
Thank you, I pray the same thing from the depth of my heart and fortunately and hopefully, I believe we will speak the same words with regard to the Good News as God made a way for us to be saved from death and that way is his Son, Jesus the Messiah :) By the way, I take the opportunity to share this with you and everyone who would read this as the Good News actually is beautifully, BEAUTIFULLY spoken and put into image with this scene (John 3) from the Chosen (which I recommend to everyone) :)
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Salaam ,As a Muslim who Debate with Christians' in Speaker Corner ( London- UK) I find this Video One of the Best which Rely on Fact rather than on Emotion & the Truth is Obvious for the Ones who seek it with Sincerity.
We Muslims Has No Issue with Jesus as the Word & a Spirit Of God as He Create him with His will through His Word & a Spirit of Him to Form the Man Jesus without a Human intervention as He Did with the Creation of Adam when he Form him out of Clay & Blow of His Spirit into him to be Alive & It Is the Same Spirit we Human Live By .
My Advice & Invitation is Open to All Non Muslims to Read the Quran which Deal with the confusion of 3nty & show the Submission of all the Phts to One Only Creator God .
Fact? Thats loud
Please define "Facts".
How would you respond to a Christian that when asked how can God become his creation says âbecause with God all things are possible, he became a manâ .They use arguments like âat some point you have to have faith as God is incomprehensible (muslim believe this too), so you canât be able to understand trinity fullyâwhen i say God doesnât cause confusion.
When i quote OT saying God says â God is not a man or son of manâ, my friend says because he wasnât a man yet. Its frustrating, heartbreaking and maddening. I wish God opens all their and our hearts and minds to the light. There are some beautiful christian friends I have that are practically muslims except that they see Jesus as God, believe every verse like â i and the father are oneâ as being physically same and believe in shedding of Christâs blood for tgem and their salvation.
@@hashh2019 Is there a limit to the power of God (as it is generally defined as infinitely powerful) that would impeach it to become human for some time if it wanted to ?
@@hashh2019 2 Advice . 1st when they Say =Jesus & God Are One ..Say Yes One in Aim & Not in PHYSICAL = as He will Be Seated at the Right Hand side OF THE MIGHTY ONE ( true god john 17 3 )
2nd God Can do Anything Fit to His Majesty But Would Not Degrade himself to a Lower wicked level + He Does Not Change His Nature =
GOD Stays - Immortal Invisible Eternal and HE IS Not Like Any of His Creation Bible Prove
God Doesnât Change His Nature (Malachi 3:6)
God is the Living and Everlasting (Habakkuk 1 12 )
The God Remain the Same in Nature (Hebrews @)
Pls Join My Chnl ...Salaam
Letâs go to the origin of modern âModalismâ in the 20th Century.
What is the best explanation to give when itâs brought up how scripture attatches the title of God (+its attributes) to Jesus + the Father and how it teaches of a father/son relationship between these two?
Tell them to read bible. Scripture doesnât ever claim Jesus is God not even close. All scripture can be explained..
@@brothersofjesus thatâs just silly. To respond with what you just said sounds like a complete ignorance of scripture. Scripture asserts this proposition in multiple places and itâs also inferred. To simply say âno it doesnâtâ does not provide an explanation. I want to give an actual explanation
@@brothersofjesus Hey man see you on Efdawah streams, muslims have the same beliefs as you, sure you are reading the same book as me?
can you please explain how a mere man could die for your sins? and the sins of many?
Or better yet can you please explain John 1:1?
Or better yet can you explain why Jesus was crucified?
The son of X is not X.
The son of God is not God.
@@numbernine8571 Sooo...the son of a human father, is not human? That's deep!
Trinity people dont know what the word god/theos means. Now once you've worked that out you need to say is that a name a title a description or a category. Then if you get that right you will realize its not inconsistant to call both father and son god. In fact jesus said have i not called YOU gods its quite simple really. What is complicated is trying to make sense of the trinity.
It the same with the Hebrew word god/elohim! I've thought this for a while too!
@@lizzard13666 hi the greek word theos the germanic word god and the latin word deity all mean divine. Now divine is a category. Just like bovine canine equine feline and caprine are categories. So any individual cat could be called feline. But not every feline is named tiddles or sooty or fudge or whiskers. You can only call whiskers whiskers you cant call fudge whiskers. Ok now because the jews dared not name yahweh as yahweh they just called him god or in other words the divine. As the jews only have one god there was no confusion as to who was being referred to. If you said to a hindu or ancient greek or roman i worship god their immediate response would be which one. So the father is divine jesus is divine. Jesus said we are divine. We can all be named divine/god but i am not jesus or yahweh. Yahweh is not jesus or me . Jesus is not me or yahweh though all by scripture called god/divine. I hope this is helpful.
Oh 1st john In the beginning the word was with God and the word is God isnt a miss translation. There are no periods no comma. That is the way that it was supposed to be. Jesus the Word was with God in the beginning. JEHOVAH WITNESSES are the the ones that said it wasnt supposed to be translated that way. They say the word was a god. But no periods or commas was not intended to be put there. Almost every religion and independent studies understand the 3 in 1 understanding of God. but Jehovah witnesses believe they are the only ones going to heaven and they say it's not heaven. They say heavens full. I say that heaven is in you and where God is heaven. Ohand by the way jesus is not Michael and satan didnt have a brother named Jesus.
@@samueltillery5427 hi sam. If u get a greek new testament . Online options are available. You will see the greek word for the in greek but not entered in the english translation. 1 jn 1 1 should say. The word was with the god. Because people dont know what the word god means and incorrectly use it like a name even though here in greek its written not as a name. To our english speaking ears to say the god doesnt sound right even though it is right . The jews used the word god as a name because they wouldnt say yahweh. And this is one of the roots of christiandoms error into trinity thinking
I understand the trinity. All three father son and the holy spirit have been together before creation. It's not hard to understand the trinity if you dont think in the flesh. God created a part of himself to be with him from the very beginning. Jesus is not like a angel Jesus is a part of God. God didnt have to plant a seed in heaven for Jesus to be. He just separated a part of himself. When jesus came to earth he came threw a woman. This is so he could live the human life. People are thinking in the flesh when you say they cant be the same. Jesus is part of God. So is the holy spirit. Even the holy spirit can separate into every living person on earth. Jesus was that word that spoke during creating. Even if you say in the beginning was the word and the word was with God it makes no difference. Listen to the rest. And the word was God. Even the scripture tells us that God became flesh and drelt among us. His name was Emanuel God with us not god with us. Jesus as God isnt spelled with a little g only Angel's and the saved. If the blood of God runs threw his veins I'm sorry he is God. Blood comes from ther father not the mother. Only Gods blood was pure enough to save all. Jesus said he was God, and iAm and the father. Jesus was in heaven forever and will always be. If you say jesus is a god little g you have reduce him to an Angel. Then you would be the one in the wrong. On this we will just have to agree to disagree. Jesus didnt say they where one and if you seen me you seen the father for no reason.
In the Hebrew Bible it calls God elohim. In Hebrew any word ending in the im sound is plural. So all the way back in genesis God refers to himself in the plural not to mention in creation with God calling himself us
Elohim and the tetragrammaton are 2 different words.
CASE IN POINT: Five major problems?? LOL it's a total LIE problem. Are you alluding the trinity is correct but it has 5 major problems??? lol The trinity doctrine was invented by the team that the emperor of Rome , Constantine the Great , who summoned Graeco-Roman philosophers and theologians to formulate a philosophical doctrine to confuse those who were not educated and keep the nobles submissive to his authority as a Roman church. The trinity concept came from Plato's teachings about existential or his ontological theory regarding the nature and existence of the messiah and the Patheon Roman gods concept...which is also known as Pantheism. . Then, the church adopted the concept and applied it to the Abrahamic faith inserting their paganism in it.
The so called church even tampered the Scriptures to support their philosophical position which also embraced the Roman old religion called Mithraism and Gnosticism. Later, these two religions were replaced by the new religion which in modern day is known as "Christianity." the Roman church even tampered the Holy Scriptures to call the followers of the Hebrew Messiah 'Christians" where in the Hebrew Bible called them "Messianic Jews" or Nazarenes. This is a historical fact. There was no such a thing as a word as christians' . I am a Sephardic Jew, that's why my people never believed in any Jesus or trinity doctrine because we knew that the Romans created a conspiracy to use our FAITH to control the world. I believe in my Hebrew Messiah but not according to Christianity.
Does Yahweh ever refer to Himself as a plural?
Are there any other words in Hebrew that end in "im" that are not plural, or not always plural?
In English there are words like "sheep" which can be singular or plural! It's the same in Hebrew!
@@lizzard13666 English and Hebrew, Two different animals. Hebrew is similar like Spanish using male and feminine forms of adjectives and pronouns. Plus , there is like 10 different words to describe something and more specific.in English we don't have that. In English we say .."the sea" we use "the" right?
In Spanish there is el, la, los, las, etc
@shark162 i used 'us" or "we' does that mean the same thing in plurality? I can tell you what it meas my friends. It means i am talking to other entities ( humans or living beings) other than me. I am not talking to myself for sure. LOL the same way when God said "we' or "us" .Is God ...a God of the living or the death???
My goodness man, there are much more than three. But let's go with 1 John 4: 1-3.
where is your church?
Point 2. Why do you believe in ressurection and afterlife then? The old testament told nothing about those ideas, not even a hint.
The Old Testament mentions it.
Daniel 12:13
"As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance."
Daniel 12:2
"Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."
@@Doctordoctor. There is no book or chapter that says anything about it is there, just a verse. There are also verses that described God in the plural. The second argument is not valid.
@@Doctordoctor. The scripture said God will not share his glory with anyone and also said Jesus has the same glory as God. The scripture also said Jesus is God c/f John 1:18
It says Jesus has the nature of God Philippians 2: 5 and every knee in heaven and on earth will bow to the name of Jesus Philippians 2:9
Daniel is a late piece of writing
@@humsterstories9736 Daniel is part of the Jewish Bible. It is acceptable as authority by the Jews
Thanks to Allah we don't have this problems in islam the first thing to do as muslums is to believe there is no god except allah and mohammed is his slave and messenger.
The quran is full of verse and chapter who describe who allah is .
The religion of murder, child abuse, child marriage, sex on next door wife, stealing others property etc.. Islam is a religion of piece.
@@GodisLove1J416 Bro I have the refutations for each claim you made and itâs off the top of my head, I donât even need to look into any hadiths or Quran verses. Youâre not gonna fool anyone bud just go home.
@@GodisLove1J416
Narrated by Abdullah:
I asked the Prophet, "What is the greatest sin in the Sight of Allah?" He said, "That you set up a rival unto Allah though He Alone created you." I said, "That is indeed a great sin." Then asked, "What is next?" He said, "To kill your son lest he should share your food with you." I asked, "What is next?" He said, "To commit illegal sexual intercourse with the wife of your neighbor."
Buhkari 4477.
There goes claim one and two.
As for male and female thieves, cut off their hands for what they have done-a deterrent from Allah. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.
[Quran 5:38]
There goes the stealing claim. Youâre wasting my time so Iâll let someone else get the other ones. Maybe Iâll come back afterwards and âget you bustedâ (CPâs iconic line) on your other claims too.
@@_cyclone1907 tsunami is on the way...
@@_cyclone1907 get behind me satan, black stone kisser...
Do i have permission to republish this on my channel?
Yes - we do ask that you retain the 21st Century Source information. Blessings to you.
John ch 20 vs 17
Laaillahillah
QURAN is garbage because QURAN says trinity is Jesus, God and Mary which was completely bonkers because at no point in history these 3 ever were trinity. Besides, Quranic embryology is stolen from GreeK School of Medicine of 7th century which modern science shows is wrong. Then Muhammad said sun sets in the muddy waters, which again if ALLAH was revealing him, ALLAH is just like Muhhamad who was on earth seeing sun setting in the water. Same with QURAN saying the sun orbits around the earth again it cannot be GOD but Muhammad who was 7th century nomad who had no idea about plabetary science. ALLAH is a fig of imagination of Muhammad. I can throw more absurdities, its full of error plagiarized from sources older than Muhammad. Muhammad was also racist because he had black slaves and the Hadith shows depict Muhammad was white and hated his black slaves so much for muslims to become the saviour of black people.
No, the Quran doesn't say Trinity includes Mary peace be upon her. Read the Quran yourself instead of copying pasting things from others.
Lack of punctuation and paragraphs and random caps in your rant shows the level of absurdity of your long post. Also, wholesale regurgitation in your post that recycles debunked slander shows your depth of knowledge.
Another one for you to get sleepless nights not able to respond but just talk about everything else SEE CONTRDICTIONS BELOW
Sun-set and Sun-rise
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:
Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy springâŠ
Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.
Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting âfar awayâ. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.
A resting place for Sun!? SEE CONTRDICTIONS BELOW
Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earthâs rotation and NOT by Sunâs rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sunâs Gravity, like we are stuck in earthâs gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earthâs rotation.
A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, âAbzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?â I replied, I do not know, only Allahâs apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, âAfter setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allahâs Aroâsh and waits for Allahâs command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earthâ.
Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today.
Pure logic!
Thanks for the teaching!
Satan used the trinity so that the followers of Yahuah would break the VERY FIRST COMMANDMENT.
Walk into any church, and you'll see idols everywhere.
Satan is trying to make Yahuahs followers to break the SECOND COMMANDMENT!
By the second commandment, I refer to the original commandment regarding false idols, not the Catholic commandment that was replaced sneakily...
Well put, and I will give you credit in my debates over the trinity.
Christ refers to his human self in the 3rd person...why?
That's not true God gave us to Jesus and at the same time didnt give us away. We belong to God and worshipers of jesus as God and receive what we ask for because we are asking in faith. Jesus is not a angel nor a brother to SATAN as some believe. Even Abraham bowed down to jesus in the old testament as God and pleaded with him.
@@samueltillery5427 :
*You're are correct, Jesus is your god, but God is Jesus god, therefore, God is ultimately the god to everyone, everything and every entity in existence whether in Heaven or on Earth, if you truly understood Scripture you would know this.*
@@imo1933 not all religious worship the same God threw error. Jesus said nobody comes to the father except by me. If the dont have jesus scripture sId they are basterds and none of his. There are many so called gods but only one ultiment ruler and creator of all things. If they dont depend on jesus they are not worshipping the same God but docrines of demons.
God be praised!
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
#2 my second argument from silence
Laillailala ( God is one)
That's why I made toilet on the quran, phedophileMohammed is shaitan the enemy of Jesus, quran is pure shaitanic book. phedophileMohammed married six yrs old child Aesha and consummated disgusting. Evilislam is pure shaitanic religion. Exmuslim bangla.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
The trinity was never the original faith of the early christians. I always thought it was, but reading some history you can clearly see the development of the doctrine for over 400 years until it took its final form in the Nicean Creed. I believe it was established for political reasons, mainly to seperate the faith from the original jewish faith and make it a completely seperate religion. From my research, the most accurate doctrine that describes both the Old and the New Testaments, is modalism.
Matina MK
In my studies Oneness is actually more accurate.
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Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God. John 1 and many other verses show that the "word", Jesus, pre- existed creation
@@follow_the_way you worship Satan. Repent
Tertullian said the majority of believers in his day were Monarchians who thought he was a preacher of 2 and 3 gods. Adolph Harnack historian in History of Dogma stated there was at least 4 successive Bishops of Rome Eleutherus, Victor, Zephyrinus and Callistus.
JND Kelly in Early Christian Doctrines stated that Zephyrinus and Callistus were conservative Monarchians.
Origen said the great multitude of believers in his day held to Christ and him alone as God. Virginia Corwin historian in St Ignatius and Christianity in Antioch said he was Monarchian. No Trinitarians, no Unitarians denying Jesus as God and as the Man Christ.
@@follow_the_way let me ask you in John 1:1 who or what is God in the passage?
Really interesting and clear talk. As an atheist Iâve always thought the Trinity was a difficult (actually preposterous) concept.
Good Job
Alhamdulillah I am a Muslim, wonderful and honest video. THANK YOU SIR.
SO WHAT IS the next step? Look into Islam and find how it honours Prophet Eisa and his mother our Lady Mariam.
Islam denies Jesus was God's own Son. It denies Jesus is the promised Messiah, the promised King of God's Kingdom. It denies our Lord died on the cross, and it denies his resurrection. It denies Jesus message, and preaching words about the Kingdom of God, the only solution of man's problems, and the future restoration of the human family in peace through Jesus and the Kingdom, which will be established in the future.
@@Thedisciplemike Jesus in the Quran is literally 'Jesus the Messiah' lol
@@saadbahlouli5161 it denies he is the son of God, and everything else I mentioned. Muslims don't know what messiah means
@@Thedisciplemike messiah is al-masih in Arabic. Arabs dont understand their own language?
@@saadbahlouli5161 I'm not talking about the pronunciation of the Arabic word translated from the Hebrew. I'm talking about the meaning of the Hebrew word. Do you believe Jesus to be the Son of God, God's chosen one to rule His Kingdom and establish God's Kingdom on the earth?
This is a beautiful subject i heard one man Pastor Jennings teaching about it but hear is a second Pastor. Thank you
Gino Jennings is exposing the trinity lie.. God is a Spirit....John 4:24
Glory to God, a brother that listens to Pastor Gino Jennings too. That makes me very happy, God bless you
Jesus is the eternal existing God. Praise the triune God. John 1 and many other verses show that the "word", Jesus, pre- existed creation
Very knowledgeable guy
I don't think so! And you believed all what he said without checking if it's true or not. He said Jesus is a liar, then if Jesus is a liar Mr. Finnegan believed that Jesus is the Messiah and Savior but not a God. Well if Jesus is a liar then the scriptures says the Lamb of God is imperfect or have defect since he is a sinner therefore Jesus can't be the Savior and Messiah. In John 8:58 Jesus claim that before Abraham was, "I Am" which means in Greek "ego eimi" which is "I am" "I exist" in short Jesus said "I am God" . Mr. Finnegan also said there is no Trinity in the Bible, yes there is none. But he believes that God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent but I challenge him to show me in the Bible those words omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent written in the Bible
@@emmanuelsalomon8954 : This is a copy and paste all over the show.
It may be that this charlatan made a few mistakes. Like God being omnipresent when Jesus clearly stated that God lives in heaven (Matthew 6:9).
But on the Trinity, he need not have put out a video. The Bible itself debunks it.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Jesus had been SEEN.
'Make disciples of all nations baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit ' Jesus Christ, Matthew
Please grab a Quran with English translation. See what Quran says about Jesus. & Mary. See what Jesus says about himself. Be open minded. You have nothing to lose.
Islam is false evil . Run to Jesus Christ only He can save you from sin and hell .
Quran is written by one person. So it's hard to believe, I can do the same thing. The Bible has many writers on different times and don't even know each other unles God is working. written in different times and places.
Please remember God Almighty is the creator of the heavons and the earth & all that is in them including us humans. However Jesus was born on earth from mother virgin Mary. Spoke from the cradle in support of his mother, & the one true god. That's why people came from far and wide to see a speaking baby. Jesus bowed down in prayer to God Almighty, many a times in his lifetime asking forgivingness for all, so that doesn't make Jesus God. Jesus cured the sick, the blind lepers etc through God's will. So anyone who wants to enter God Almighty heaven should believe in the one_ness of God Alimighty.
Jesus spoke? I've never seen this before. This is not in the bible... where did you get this from? Is this from the Quran?
He usés his poor and catasrophy quran which said jesus is the word of God and his spirit ...We can't separate God from his word and his spirit ....God is souverain by his word and his spirit .. God can't give his power and glory to any one by his Will ...it is a catasrophy ...then if We follow the logic of ur quran We have Two Gods with the same power and glory.
Jesus is the God in flesh and he can do anything even raise himself from death. . Muslims bow down to a kaba and kiss its black stone.
QURAN is garbage because QURAN says trinity is Jesus, God and Mary which was completely bonkers because at no point in history these 3 ever were trinity. Besides, Quranic embryology is stolen from GreeK School of Medicine of 7 th century which modern science shows is wrong. Then Muhammad said sun sets in the muddy waters, which again if ALLAH was revealing him, ALLAH is just like Muhhamad who was on earth seeing sun setting in the water. Same with QURAN saying the sun orbits around the earth again it cannot be GOD but Muhammad who was 7th century nomad who had no idea about planetary science. ALLAH is a fig of imagination of Muhammad. I can throw more absurdities, its full of error plagiarized from sources older than Muhammad. Muhammad was also racist because he had black slaves and the Hadith shows how white Muhammad was and hated his black slaves so much for muslims to become the saviour of black people.
You are called as the son of your mother or father?????? Normally people are known by their father's ...In Quran...it says..Jesus was born from the spirit of allah through Mariam...so who is the father?So people who are born by humans we call them humans and prophets etc...So if we call the person who has born from God also the same...what's the difference between GOD and Human????Think whos fatherhood are you denaying !!!!
I read another sight promoting the Trinity. - Their only defense is that it's a "mystery." God is not the author of confusion - man is.
Thank you
God is spirit, who is holy ... so why does he need a separate "holy spirit"? God never says "Jesus is my right hand, and my other spirit is my left hand"
Good point. Thought so myself
â@KP-vp8bz The early Christians never believed in the trinity. The Quran is false because it endorses the Bible, says Allah's word cannot be corrupt, then says the Bible is corrupt. SELF DEFEATING. The Quran is false because it does not build on a single prophecy of the Bible. Amos 3:7 Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. The old testament and the law pointed to Jesus. NOTHING in the Bible pointed to Muhammed. ALL of the history of Muhammed is against the words of the true living God.
Understanding the Biblical view of the Godhead is simple.
God is one/one God -
Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29, Mark 12:32, Malachi 2:10, Romans 3:30, 1 Corinthians 8:4, 8:6, Galatians 3:20, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Timothy 2:5, James 2:19.
There is no God beside Him -
Deuteronomy 4:35, 2 Samuel 7:22, 1 Chronicles 17:20, Isaiah 43:10-11, 44:6, 44:8, 45:5-6, 45:21-22, Hosea 13:4.
The God is a Spirit -
Genesis 1:2, Matthew 10:20, 12:28, John 4:24, Romans 8:9, 8:14, 1 Corinthians 2:10, 3:16, 12:13, 2 Corinthians 3:17, *Ephesians 4:4*
God is an invisible Spirit -
John 1:18, Colossians 1:15, 1 John 4:12, 4:20, 1 Timothy 1:17, 6:16.
God is an omnipresent Spirit (present everywhere) -
Isaiah 66:1, Psalm 139:7-10, Jeremiah 23:24.
The Father is an everlasting Spirit and cannot die -
Psalm 90:1-4, 1 Timothy 1:17, 6:16.
So when we think of the Father we should immediately think Spirit. And if there is only one Spirit just as Ephesians 4:4 states, then the Spirit of the Father and the Holy Spirit have to be the same Spirit consisting of more than one title. Since there is only one Spirit of God.
Jesus was born of a woman and was, therefore, flesh -
Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:18, 1:20, *John 3:6*.
The term "Son of God" or "Son of Man" refers to humanity or flesh.
The Father (Spirit) is eternal, and therefore cannot die, and the Son (flesh) was able to and did die.
This where everything comes together in a beautiful way..
God (Spirit) was in Christ (flesh) -
*2 Corinthians 5:19*, To wit, that God (Deity) was in Christ (humanity) reconciling the world unto HIMSELF. Not unto themselves.
*Ephesians 4:4* states that there is one body and one Spirit.
Just as you have one body and one spirit, God did the same thing. He made Himself a body.
I wanna show you John 3:16 in this new light -
"For God (deity) so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son (humanity) that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16
Whosoever believes in HIM not THEM.
Now look at 1st John 3:16 -
"Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."
Isaiah 9:6, 12:2, 25:9, 43:11, 54:5, John 8:24-27, 10:30, 12:45, 14:6-9.
Matthew 28:18-19, 1 John 5:7, Acts 2:38, 4:12, 8:12, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16
That's the Biblical Godhead. I took extra time to explain it but it is as simple as 5 Scriptures.
1. Deuteronomy 6:4 - One God.
2. John 4:24 - God is a Spirit.
3. Ephesians 4:4 - One body and one Spirit.
4. 2 Corinthians 5:19 - God in Christ.
5. 1 Timothy 3:16 - God was manifest in flesh.
Oneness is the truth of the gospel. Jesus was the flesh god temporarily embodied whilst on Earth.
@@phoebe-angeloflynn7419 Jesus said that the father is greater than I in the Bible.
That's also incorrect the Father is an embodied eternal spirit with a resurrected glorified body of flesh and bones the same as his Son Jesus Christ has. They are eternal spirits but they also have resurrected bodies.
To find out what something is--you prove what its not!
Point 1. Mark 12. Why are you taking one passage while ignoring lots of others in which jesus speaks of the holy spirit/spirit of god and himself as someone greater than a prophet? All statements of jesus should be taken into account