Is God a Trinity of Persons? Definition, History & Scripture - by Sean Finnegan
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- What are 3 terms in a definition of the Trinity & the historical stages of the doctrine's development? What are 9 attributes of God? Is the doctrine of the dual nature of Christ true? Sean Finnegan takes up the question of the Doctrine of the Trinity in light of the Bible.
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watching this 2 yrs after. I am impressed by the application of common sense in context of the scripture rather than men's commentary. Good job for the most Sean.
Joh @ 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" -Christ
The objective is NOT to be "right" when standing before God on Judgment day, but to be humble and hungry to learn, every day, leading up to that day. *_No one is omniscient._* No one has God's full knowledge. *_THEREFORE:_* We all have more to learn. And, until we leave this physical universe, we will likely *_always_* have more to learn. After all, Christ said that the meek shall inherit the Earth -- not the "confident in their own interpretation." There is only one Truth, but while we live in this physical universe, it will only ever be a direction -- not a destination.
Wow incredible! Have you even re-read your own comment? "until we leave this physical universe ... the meek shall inherit the earth ... while we live in this physical universe, etc" So deluded and saturated by false doctrines you can't even distinguish reality and fantasy. Make up your mind, where exactly do you think you'll end up? And, more importantly is that where God plans to send you? God help us all.
Oh God our Father, send this message to all hungry hearts. Thank you for bringing the clear message to us through your word.
The diagram at 1m 55s reminds me of Orwellian "Doublethink" which includes, "2 + 2 = 5" and "War is Peace." Insanity at the service of great evil.
1 Corinthian 15 25-28 sums it all up. I love you finished with that. That's my favorite part explaining what will happen.
God can't be given anything since He has it all already. Jesus isn't God. Pretty simple. He is our Lord and the chosen Messiah by God.
@Sage of Synergism Jesus came to deliver people unto God and that is by the power of God the father himself and the plan of God who through Jesus reconciled us and Jesus defeated the devil and all his plans by the power of God working in him.
Amen
@Sage of Synergism God gave Jesus authority over all things but himself. He returns the authority as in relinquishes authority back to God. God never lost it he just gave Jesus the same authority then took that authority back.
@Sage of Synergism Jesus was given authority... I see you're playing with me so I'll end it there. GL
This was so well done. So beneficial for the average American. 👍🏿. Excellent points with clear evidence and explanations.
at 11:19 the conjoined twins presents a profound living metaphor. Not only is there practical application but the impact on the listeners/viewers is lasting. Good work.
This was excellent, thanks so much for posting. I was first introduced to this topic about 25 years ago. I became militant and dogmatic about telling everyone but then realised God is infinite and I’m not. My particular denomination was started by people who were all not-trino’s but gradually since the 1930’s it has become firmly established. There are my non-tri I’d within my church but we’re written off as heretics. Was great to feel vindicated by someone from a different church. Also, very powerful for your church to be open to the conversation.
WOW,Thank you for that video. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Tony Joyce. Dublin, Ireland.
Great sermon.
It is written in the Bible that after his ascension Jesus is sitting on the right side of God on His throne but it is not mentioned if the Holy Spirit is sitting on the left hand side
This is usually a question I may ask, but the theologically illiterates just give you a blank look and attest: Well we aren't suppose to understand it's a mystery! Not to me it isn't. Only to those who don't care to investigate this incomprehensible and inarticulate Catholic pagan doctrine!!
That hasn't happened yet.
At one point the Holly Ghost will receive a body, maybe in the millennium.
An excellent overview of the gradual development of trinitarian thinking. In looking closely at that early historical development it would have been important to mention those who objected to this new thinking like Arius. There are some today who agree with Arius's conclusions on Christology, especially as to when Jesus came into existence.
If you leave out the word is not, what do you get to read?
Isaiah 7:14
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” “God w/ us”
100%. Also John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
@@superviola88
John 1:14
“And the "Word" was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
Everything in the NT comes from the OT, the OT was a shadow of things to come = Jesus Christ - Yeshua Mashiach.
God is with us*
@@superviola88Yeah, as Gods logos, plan, word, not yet a man.
There is a problem @4:25-27. It doesn't say the son never intended to do what he was sent to do.
What church is this at?
Personhood requires personal WILL. Jehovah has a Will , He is even written of to feel regret. Jesus has. Will of his own separate from Jehovah’s WILL as evidenced in his prayer in Gethsemone and evidently felt sorrow over the sadness of the loss of Lazarus. Emotions like compassion are in evidence for both. I have never found any scriptural evidence that holy spirit has a WILL. Or any emotional state.
The most important question a smart and honest Christian should ask him or her self is whose teaching will he follow? Is it Jesus, Paul, Theophilus, Tertulian, or Alexander or who? If a christian has to follow Jesus, then, he should be a monotheist believing in the one and only God, and condemning the Trinity.
In other words he or she must be submitting his life to God or being a muslim.
I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 I follow Jesus who said he is one with the Father(God).
@@waynehampson9569 For whoever claims to have some brain or can think, even if only a little, he/she will understand well that word of God must be free of contradiction, even one.
But kindly see for yourself and be honest, are these two verse concur or contradict each other?
1. Hear O Israel, the Lord, our God, the Lord is One. (The meaning is very very crystal clear, that Jesus is not God, and that God is one and only !)
2. John 10:30 "I and the Father ARE one ARE of one." (This verse is either a concocted or a made up verse or must be understood metaphorically, since the word "one" cannot be the the final word, but there must have been an omitted word(s) as the full verse must sound like this : "I and the Father ARE (of) one party." Otherwise the two verses contradict one another, and any single contradiction annuls the Bible's status as the word of God.
Jesus gave the mantle of the church to Peter, and it passed through the popes. So their decisions are blessed by Jesus.
A superficial reply, as marriage is defined as a union of "one", yet two distinct personages. They are merely one in purpose for the sake of not being lonely, but also procreation.
@nosuchthing8
Actually no.
The Christian church was apostasised. There's no reason to believe the succession of popes from the Roman Catholic Church led directly back to Peter.
Who we are to conclude, if God revealed Himself in Three ???
Triune gods were part of every ancient pagan culture EXCEPT Israel, do you know why? Their religions were all demon-inspired. It was only in the fourth century AFTER Christ that a pagan emperor grafted the Trinity into counterfeit Christianity, do you know why? So that Satan could continue to mislead the world until the return of Christ and final judgment. Wake up my friend, if you want to worship multiple gods become a Hindu and go all out (300,000 minimum) :)
Here are some examples from the bible that shows that they are separate individuals
1.God spoke from heaven while Christ was on the earth - Matt. 3:17; 17:5; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22; John 12:28-30
2.God is a separate witness of Christ - John 5:36-37; 8:17-18Christ was "with" God in the beginning - John 1:1-3,10,14; 6:38; 16:28; 17:3,52; 20:21; 1 Jn. 4:14; Eph. 3:9
3.Christ is God's Son - Mark 9:7; John 3:16; 9:35-37; 17:1; 20:17,21,31; Eph. 3:14; Heb. 1:6; 5:5
4.Christ prayed to his Father - Matt. 6:6-9; 26:39; 27:46; Luke 23:34; John 12:27-28; 16:26; 17:10-11
5.Christ was seen standing at the right hand of God - Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69; Acts 2:33; 7:55-56; Rom. 8:34; Eph. 1:20; Col. 3:1; Heb. 1:3; 10:12; 1 Pet. 3:22; Rev. 3:21
6.The Father committed all judgment unto the Son - John 5:17-20,22-23; Rom. 2:16; 2 Tim. 4:1
7.God anointed Jesus Christ - Acts 10:38; Heb. 1:9God honored, blessed and glorified Christ - Matt. 12:18; John 5:26; 12:23; 17:1,24; Acts 3:13; 5:30-31; 2 Pet. 1:17-18; Phil. 2:9
8.Jesus was raised up by God - Acts 5:30-31; 1 Pet. 1:21
9.God and Jesus are plural (we, our, us) - Gen. 1:26; Isa. 6:8; John 14:23; 17:11,22
10.God "sent" Christ to atone for us - Mark 9:37; John 3:16; 5:24; 6:38; 7:28-29; 8:42; 12:44-45; 17:3-4,6-10,18,25; 20:21; 1 Jn. 4:14
11.Christ asked men to pray to God in his name - Matt. 6:6; Col. 3:17; Heb. 7:25-26
12.Christ spoke of his Father in heaven - Matt. 10:33; 16:15-19; John 14:12; 20:15-17.
13.Only God knew the exact time of the end; Christ did not then know - Mark 13:32; Matt. 24:36
14.God the Father is Christ's God - Mark 15:34; John 20:17; Eph. 1:17; 1 Pet. 1:3
15.Christ's will and doctrine were separate from God's - Matt. 26:39-42; Luke 22:41-42; John 5:30; 7:16-17; 14:10
16.Christ did his Father's not his own work - Luke 2:49-50; John 17:3-4
17.Christ came in his Father's name - John 5:43
18.Christ came from and returned to God - John 14:12; 16:27-28,30; 1 Pet. 3:21-22
19.The Father was "greater than" the Son - John 10:29; 14:28; 1 Cor. 15:28
20.We come to the Father only by the Son - John 14:6
21.Christ will deliver up the kingdom to God - 1 Cor. 15:24
22.Christ is mediator between God and men - 1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 8:6; 9:5; 12:24
They are one in thought, power, knowledge, desires & purpose. Heavenly father is the father of our spirits.
Isaiah 45:5- This is the pre-mortal Jesus Christ talking. Did he forget that he had a father? "God" is often used as a designation of authority. Certainly there was no other "authority", since his father had given all authority to him regarding the earth. Then Jesus gave up that authority to come to earth and be born as a helpless baby. Then he was crucified, resurrected, and exalted to that authority he once had, on the right hand of God.
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THANK You for telling IT Like IT IS 🕊️🕊️❤️🕊️
Are angels immortals? what is the difference between Elohim Creator being immortal and angels? ,
Angels are not immortal since Satan was an angel but he will die. Because Jesus proved himself he gained immortality. See Revelation 20: 10, 14 and Romans 6: 9.
After the final judgement spoken of at Revelation chapter 20, all then living will also gain immortality, as death itself is destroyed (or "no more," Revelation 21: 4).
In Mark 12:29, when Yeshua says the greatest commandment is Hear, O Israel, He is quoting Deuteronomy 6:4, the 10 Commandments.
When did jesus say i have or will die for your sins
- yesterday - at about 4 pm
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
God doesn't need to be Resurrected from the Dead and to be glorified in a Spiritual body like the Angels?
God wasn’t resurrected. God Himself resurrected Jesus (Acts 2:24, 5:30)
Biblically the terms for all-powerful are Shaddai (Hebrew) and Pantokrator (Greek). These are words for overcoming all or "ultimately, God win." If having all-ability, as in the current omnipotence discussion of all-powerful, then the term used would be along the lines of Pandunamis, instead.
End of the sermon, his prayer was being good 🎉
The graphic brought to my mind the expression "monkey wrench" (no pun intended but maybe so...not sure if I laugh or cry since I was fooled by it for 50 years....)
Yes God the father called Jesus O God and he also stated He had anointed him, with the oil of righteousness. Does that mean God anointed a second co-equal God? You need to research your misunderstanding. Did he also anointed Jesus both lord and Christ (the book of Acts) while he was in heaven??
Actually there is one spot in the bible where god says that WE will move upon the waters in genesis
“ The *royal we,* *majestic plural* (pluralis majestatis), or *royal plural,* is the use of a plural pronoun (or corresponding plural-inflected verb forms) used by a single person who is a monarch or holds a high office to refer to themselves. A more general term for the use of a we, us, or our to refer to oneself is nosism.”
I don't believe in the trinity.
But I can't understand why God alllowed the false doctrine to spread to become a major teaching associated with Christianity.
It's extremely difficult to find a church that doesn't believe, that a belief in the trinity is important for salvation.
To do the harvesting. Jesus said the harvest is big but the laborers are few. Paul predicted (even Jesus) that sects and false teachers would arise.
@@Kronoblade99
Thanks for you imput.
However, it's not clear to me whether you believe the trinity is true or not.
What do you think?
@@billyroland2758 I don’t (as of now.) Jesus says he has a god in revelations so.
@@Kronoblade99 Absolutely. Most christians attend church with the attitude "Tell me pastor what do I believe today?" They are thoughtless and lazy pewsitters.
I have often wondered THIS myself. And so many have suffered torture , death, isolation , rejection and deep emotional pain because of this absurd, incomprehensible inarticulate doctrine/creed, and one that the churches holds on to with a death grip plowing down anyone who gets in their way. This is a disgrace on Christendom.
Everything in context. This study should study Jesus Before, During, and After manifesting in the flesh. Jesus in humanity on Earth vs Jesus in Heaven.
Also, you deliberately left out Matt28:18, and 1John5:7. How do you skirt these scriptures?
1 John 5:7 is a fabrication by a scribe, you don't know that?
Everyone can say anything about God. But to preach? It's not a thing to guess. Because it only create confusion to those who do not know Him much. Do not preach if you're not sure that the Holy Spirit is in you.
first 3 min in and i'm sceptical whether the speaker has gotten his facts right. the word "Person" being redefined for the purpose of explaining Trinity? really?
I will be exposing trinitarian distortions in 2021, I think these arguments have not yet been properly refuted If I make mistakes while doing this please correct me with scriptural proof of course
O.K.. It's 2021.
I would like more info.. How do you see the relationship between the Father Son and Holy Spirit?
@@randallsmith7224 God is the father who created an image of himself and called that image Man or Adam.
Later Adam was sent to earth to save and atone for his own offspring.he gave the gifts of his holy spirit to his son.
and in the new covenant, Christians also receive the gifts of God's holy spirit.
@@theologyexplained307 And the Holy Spirit?
@@randallsmith7224 God Spirit is Holy and consist of seven attributes these attributes are mentioned throughout the whole Bible as spirit of Wisdom, Truth, Prophecy, Life, Mercy Etc.
Jesus obtained al Gods attributes and he send these attributes to all christians to strengthen, comfort and guide them.
See
Revelation of John 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS of God SENT forth into all the earth.
So in short God as a Father granted His son the power of His Spirit and the Son granted his offspring the power of Gods Spirit.
Jesus is the offspring of David but also the root of David and the Root is Adam.
Jesus is the First Adam And he is also the Last Adam
see my video about Jesus being Adam
@Victor Rodriguez your assumption that first and last is a title for God is incorrect.
Trinitarians attempt to use all of Jesus’ titles to claim that Jesus is God, but it is always important to begin by looking at the meaning of each title. The meaning of being first and last is to be unique, rather than to be God.
For example:
1. This is my first and last cigarette.
2. You are my first and last love.
We are not unique, for all people are born from men, only one man was begotten by God, this is His Son.
Jesus is the only (meaning first and last) begotten son of God.
John 3:18
…. because he hath not believed in the name of the ONLY begotten Son of God.
God is the ONLY (meaning first and last) God.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, ……
“I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.”
Did they film this during the pandemic?😳
Who do the people say that I am? No one was saying he was God.
The term Trinity adds to confusion;
Godhead
The term “Godhead " is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature. We’ll take a look at each of these passages and what they mean.
In Acts 17, Paul is speaking on Mars Hill to the philosophers of Athens. As he argues against idolatry, Paul says, “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device” (Acts 17:29, KJV). Here, the word Godhead is the translation of the Greek word, a word used by the Greeks to denote “God” in general, with no reference to a particular deity. Paul, speaking to the Greeks, used the term about the only true God.
In Romans 1, Paul makes the case that all humanity stands guilty before God. In verse 20, he says, “The invisible things of him from the world's creation are seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (KJV). Here, Godhead is theiotés. Paul’s argument is that all of creation virtually shouts the existence of God; we can “clearly” see God’s eternal power and His “Godhead” in what He has made. “The heavens declare the glory of God; / the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Psalm 19:1). The natural world manifests God's divine nature.
Colossians 2:9 is one of the most straightforward statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fullness”) of God (translated as “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].”
Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9).
In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3).
Also, most of those centuries of trinity development, some Nivea, was the Roman Catholic Church, which has authored many heresies over the centuries
The insistence of Christians on the Trinity is based mainly on the Christians' insistence on the godhood of Jesus. If Jesus is only a divine person, then there is no need for the Trinity.
Nice presentation. Typically, however, the Trinitarian conception is that the Father, Son, and HS have one will. Will comes from nature, according to this view, and so Father, Son, and HS are said to have one divine will. The conflict surrounding Maximus the Confessor and monothelatism was extrapolated from this question, finally asserting that Christ has two wills, a divine will and a human will, in accordance with his these two natures.
Why a 50 min lecture though, when this could be explained effectively in 15 min?!
If such were true all churches would NOT be trinitarians!! If it could be explained or understood why still a heated argument for CENTURIES??? Wake up and smell the coffee!
9. Untemptable . Exactly what was Satan attempting to accomplish by tempting Jesus as Jesus fasted in
The wilderness?
3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” Acts 5:3-4 (NKJV)
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4-6 (NKJV)
24 Then the Lord (Son) rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord (Father) out of the heavens. Genesis 19:24 (NKJV)
11 “I (Son) overthrew some of you, As God (Father) overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, And you were like a firebrand plucked from the burning; Yet you have not returned to Me,” Says the Lord (Son). Amos 4:11 (NKJV)
14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen. 2 Corinthians 13:14 (NKJV)
Please brothers and sisters, let us be very sensitive to the time in which we are in Let's try to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the Bond of Peace according to the Scriptures. Ephesians 4:3.
I respect your comment deeply. However, when I discovered that the God of the Bible is "one", the church was terribly cruel to me. I have given up a lot to follow truth. I am so happy that others have found God as I have and they are here to affirm other truth seekers.
In Revelation the true believers will have the NAME of the FATHER on their foreheads. Do you know what it is...intimately?
The worshippers of the false god will be marked with his number, 666. Revelation gives us the clue: "the number of man". If you look to Hebrew (instead of Greek) to solve this riddle, the answer is very simple.
THE NUMBER OF MAN IS 6.
If you have not solved the mystery yet I will tell you: A God who is 3 men is 666, the god of the Roman Catholic Church known by a number, not a name.
The Trinity was not developed until 600 years after Christ by former Pagans in the Roman Church. Why would Jesus make us wait this long for the "full truth" to be revealed? Wasn't Jesus the truth? Why change Jesus' words that "God is one"?
We don't want people to be marked with 666 if they don't want to be. It is getting close to the time when people will want to know the One True God as He made Himself known to us.
@@davechristensen8299 I understand what you're trying to say. It's a concept of understanding ,God , Jesus Christ and the Holy spirit as one with God . . The is truly No need to make enemies over things like this. It's a matter of interpretation and expression. . As The Lord Jesus to show you.
@@choicegospelnetwork
Why are you accusing us of "making enemies". We are not doing that. There is so much hostility in the world today it seems acceptable for people in the dominant majority to label others as trouble makers.
I have asked God to show me, and my answer from God got me kicked out of my church. It took a lot of courage and integrity to take truth over tradition.
I have never made an enemy of anyone over the Trinity. I go to Trinitarian churches who will accept me knowing that I understand the Father to be God and Jesus the Messiah and the Son of God. All Christians are my brothers. Sean also says that he is NOT rejecting anyone as a fellow Christian over this issue.
But to be honest, most of us Biblical Monotheists have been cruelly rejected from our faith communities. You might speak to them about treating us like enemies for our preference not to add anything to the Word of God.
Sean made it clear that he is not condemning anyone. He is just sharing his understanding of the scriptures. He is just here to support other people like myself who have been outcast because we have read the Bible and discover that we cannot integrate the scriptures with 6th Century Roman Catholic doctrine.
@@davechristensen8299 My beloved brother in Christ. I was there with you in that same place.. But many Revelation is just Revelation, only God can give Revelation. Remember we PROPHESY in part.. God gave Some Pastors, So if I have a gift that someone else does not have... Do I go all out to prove that Someone else is Wrong ?? NO , Ephesians 4:3. Is most important..
Maintaining the Unity of the Faith in the Bond of Peace..
If Something Causes your brother to Stumble . .. Do you keep pushing it ??
That's all I am saying..
The Lord said He had many Sheep in Different fold..
My beloved brother there are people who might not understand the Bible well but has the Fruits of Christ and Christianity more than those who quote the book at will...
All I am saying , Take a 40days fasting from engaging and seek the lord for understanding. Many the Lord Jesus Deliver you from the Snares of the devil.
@@choicegospelnetwork
You pray that I "be delivered from the snares of the devil". That feels like a very harsh condemnation. No one judged nor excluded you. We are just seeking the truth here. That has gone on for centuries.
Unless you are a Roman Catholic, you yourself would be guilty of departing from Roman doctrines.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.John 1:1
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.John 1:14
Please help me with these verses.
The word was with God and was God and became flesh? Who is this talking about?
He is talking about jesus. Multiple points points to take in considération : 1 there is not any capital letter in ancient greek or hebrew, so god can be either applicable to Moses for example. He was God’s represantant. 2 another meaning for the second world « god » can be traducted by « divine ». Jesus was divine.
@Wayne Hampton
The "Prologue of the Gospel of John" isn't meant to be understood literally but instead is figurative speech that is referencing a concept that's detailed in previous scriptures known as "Wisdom Literature" in which the metaphor of "Lady Wisdom" is a synonym for "The Word." Basically meaning that "God's Word is Wisdom." God's Word (aka "Wisdom") is also referred to as "The Law" that God revealed to mankind through His many prophets.
As for John 1:14 this verse is basically saying that Jesus Christ was the flesh and blood embodiment of God’s wisdom put into action and it is very similar to the idea of God’s wisdom visiting earth and living amongst us in the form of the Torah scroll (see Baruch 3-4:1).
*Sirach 24:1-3*
[1] Wisdom praises herself,
and tells of her glory in the midst of her people.
[2] In the assembly of the Most High she opens her mouth,
and in the presence of his hosts she tells of her glory:
[3] “I CAME FORTH FROM THE MOUTH OF THE MOST HIGH,
and covered the earth like a mist.
(see metaphor of “Lady Wisdom” in Proverbs 8:22-36)
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(see Baruch 3)
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*Baruch 4:1*
"She is the book of the commandments of God,
the law that endures forever.
All who hold her fast will live,
and those who forsake her will die."
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*Wisdom 1:7*
"Because the spirit of the Lord has filled the world,
and that which holds all things together knows what is said,"
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*Wisdom **7:22*
"for WISDOM, THE FASHIONER OF ALL THINGS, taught me."
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*Proverbs 3:19* (Living Bible)
The Lord’s *wisdom founded the earth;* his understanding established all the universe and space.
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*Proverbs 2:6*
For Yahweh will give wisdom; *from his mouth come knowledge and* *understanding.*
@@moosa86 Nope
In John 17:5 Jesus says -
And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
Notice the words WITH and BEFORE.
and
In John 8:58 Jesus says -
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
Also notice the word BEFORE
and
Philippians 2:6
6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Already existed in the form (morphe) of God.
its interesting how quickly you changed the subject @@waynehampson9569
First 3min into the video and i'm already sceptical. claiming "Person" was redefined for the purpose of explaining the Trinity concept sounds far fetched. The word person is not just used to refer to individuals. it is also used in legal circles to refer to companies, trusts, etc.
it's an idea about a unique entity (for a lack of a better word), with distinct and independent existence
Does SPIRIT have "matter"? re: Tertullian.
at 14:53 origins of "trinity" (not three persons)
Plato inspired them
Here are some places in the OT where the divine Elohim has a plural verb, hence Elohim is plural:
"And it came to pass, when ****the gods**** caused me [Abraham] to wander from my father’s house..." --Genesis 20:13
"And he [Jacob] built an altar there and called the place El Bethel, because there ****the gods**** appeared to him ..." --Genesis 35:7
"And who is like Your people, like Israel, the one nation on the earth whom ****the gods**** went to redeem..." --2 Samuel 7:23
You clearly do not understand Hebrew.
“ The *royal we,* *majestic plural* (pluralis majestatis), or *royal plural,* is the use of a plural pronoun (or corresponding plural-inflected verb forms) used by a single person who is a monarch or holds a high office to refer to themselves. A more general term for the use of a we, us, or our to refer to oneself is nosism.”
To understand the plural of Elohim, go to the Smith bible dictionary and look up the word God. The Smith bible dictionary can be pulled up on line.
Elohim is definitely singular in Exodus 7:1
I thought he might talk about the birds and the bees.
(BEGOTTEN) Monogenes meaning >>> Monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham’s "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context. The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God’s Son
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:14 “And the Word (God) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” ..
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Jesus is Immanuel = God w/ us
You don't comprehend John 1 1.
Here's the meaning of it.
In the beginning was the word.
Genesis 1 3.
God said let there be light. Jehovah spoke everything into existence. Using his words.
And the word was of God.
And the word was WITH God.
Genesis 1 26. Let us go and make man. Meaning Jesus was with God. When God made mankind.
Can tell you didn't even watch the video.
Jehovah God is the Living God. He can not die. For death has no power over God.
Yahsuha (flesh) died (Ruach which is the Father in Him , can't die) ...Flesh died,..Spirit did not die.
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1 Corinthians 3:16
“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
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Romans 8
7. The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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John 3:6,7
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.”
“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”
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Genesis 2:7
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” = "Breath of God"
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John 20:22
“And when Jesus had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:” = "Breath of God"
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Is God a Ghost or Spirit.???
Have you received God's anointing.???
Which part of 1 Corinthians Chp 12 thru 14 have to received from above.???
Jesus is the true messenger of God NOT God.😊
I enjoyed the lesson, I would add, Jesus said when you see me you’ve seen the father, before Abraham was, I am, also Isaiah said we would call Jesus, the mighty God, and the everlasting Father
I have actually revised my understanding of Jesus a lot due to the things I have learned in this CZcams channel.
Your comment Tim leaves you with only 2 options: 1) ignorant or 2) deceitful. You can only pick one :) If you need help I can assist. All your references are so ridiculously silly and betray a complete ignorance of Bible teachings. None of them even remotely support the demonic doctrine of a triune god. Sometimes a quick check of various translations gives you the correct interpretation instead of being limited by a particular rendering. For example:
“The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!” [John 8:58 TLB]
“For sure, I tell you, before Abraham was born, I was and am and always will be!” [John 8:58 NLV]
`I tell you the truth. I already was before Abraham was born.' [John 8:58 Worldwide English NT]
Clearly you can see the point Jesus was making in his reply, certainly not trying to teach an ancient pagan doctrine of a triune godhead. Same goes for all these verses used to support the trinity - so silly and IGNORANT. Granted some verses seem to imply something, remotely, possibly, if you squeeze hard enough, slant toward a trinity - maybe, but keep in mind that all these translations were done after centuries that the trinity doctrine was part of mainstream religion (false religion at that) - so they just went with the flow, assuming it was obvious to everyone. Although their intentions may not have been BAD, the translation was definitely BAD and skewed. All easily explained if someone is thirsty enough for truth, but if you like to have your ears tickled - laugh away but remember one thing: Hebrews 10:31. Cheers
@@sylviomarussi6554 hello, I'm not sure what your leaning toward with your statement, are you saying there is God in 3 distinct persons, or There is only one God, not sure, I believe God is one and beside Him there is no other god, however, the most important question is how to find salvation in Jesus
Any doctrine should be measured against selective parts of the bible.
Ich have a strong objection towards the supposed sixth God attribute: omnipresence. I think this isn't biblical since we see often times in the bible phrases like "JHWH came down to see" and similar. Therefore, I would not say "God is everywhere" which is extremely close to what is known as pantheism (everything is God), and in fact I believe omnipresence can't be seperated from pantheism, but rather I would say God is everywhere where he chooses to be.
at 44:00 the Man christ Jesus... John 1:18 tells us how to know God.
Amen
Read chapters 40'-46 in Isaiah clearly describes Jesus as God
No it doesn't. Many are called God's in the OT. Angels, Priests, Kings, Moses, Abraham.
According to the Athanasian Creed, the "persons" of the Trinity aren't even individual "beings."
There is no preacher in the world that says prayers using the Trinity. They allways say prayers starting with heavenly father or dear God
Well stated and oh so true.
a glipse into trinity relationship (in this verse between God the Father and God The Son),
Hebrew 1:8-10 GNT:
About the Son, however, God said:
“Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever!
You rule over your people with justice.
9 You love what is right and hate what is wrong.
That is why God, your God, has chosen you
and has given you the joy of an honor far greater
than he gave to your companions.”
10 He also said,
“You, Lord, in the beginning created the earth,
and with your own hands you made the heavens.
Wonderful presentation Sean. It's so sad that many who listen to your Scriptural and rational teaching will still argue with you! They appear to love their Mystery and pagan religion. Go figure.
Many Christians would rather believe a lie any day if told them by someone they love and respect than hear the truth of God. It seems they believe in "a" God, they just DON'T believe God....or Jesus! How disgraceful!!
@@priscillajervey7026 Don't make a enemy out of trinitarianians. Most of them just affirm it becasue their church does. Alot of people don't undertand it and take it to heart.
So, is this how they operate in their everyday life?? If something don't make sense shouldn't they question it? Trinitarians are hardheaded, close-minded and quite often just mean! In centuries past if one didn't adhere to the Trinity they were burned at the stake. That is really taking it to heart - right? Today one is told you are lost, going to hell or NOT a Christian! Trinitarians don't use common sense and worse make liars out of God and Jesus and place their faith in a guy standing in the pulpit or TV screen who is telling you to believe him! He has to ahere to the doctrine of the church he represents, he/she doesn't even have the freedon to question this absurd dogma. They are duty bound to up hold the great LIE!!!
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism. But doesn’t Elohim prove the Trinity, after all it is plural. No. Elohim means Gods. The Trinity is the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods [Elohim], One God [Eloah, or EL]. The true definition of Elohim is the God of gods (Deuteronomy 10:17).
if you are discussing trinitarian history and you don't look at Jewish sources you are joking. Jewish roots of Christianity cannot be ignored or dismissed
I dont know why muslims are exited by this podcast. This is not in anyway validating islam. Islam and its beliefs is a different topic entirely
The origin of the trinity is in the first three verses of the Bible.
God, Spirit and Word.
Then who told word is jesus ?.
The holy spirit is really the forgotten "person"
(Matthew12:31,32)IRONIC isn't it the HOLY SPIRIT, TREATED AS A THIRD PERSON, WHEN IN ALL SERIOUSNESS THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE THE SAME MY SPIRIT IS ME ,GOD SPIRIT IS HIM, IT WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT OVERSHADOW MARY, IT WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT HOVER ABOVE THE EARTH IN THE DAY OF CREATION, WHY IS THE FATHER NOT MENTION IN THESE VERSES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME
Yes
You got it!@@stevonhampton2234
Bu bb but what about islam? 🙄
even you will dig deep until reaching the bottomless pit ,still i can read in the bible,Father,Son,Holy Spirit
Do long as you Dont make them a triune God..
Interesting that Sean totally ignores every single scripture used to support the trinity. There's a suggestion of multiple persons within God from the very first chapter of the bible. "Then God said (singular), let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image, after OUR likeness."
Look also to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Abram is visited by 3 "angels," but one of them is addressed as Lord, and has pre-eminence over the other two. Then, that Lord destroys Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 19:24, "Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord out of heaven." Yahweh rained down fire from Yahweh? Weird way to put it unless there is more than one person at work here.
Read the account of Jacob wrestling with God in Genesis 32. It says he wrestled with "the Angel of the Lord," but then his name is changed to Israel: he who wrestles with God. In verse 30, Jacob, now Israel, says: "So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, 'For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.'" Jacob literally calls this "angel," God. Under my understanding, this is a preincarnate Jesus.
Without even leaving Genesis we have strong evidence for multiple persons as God.
Jump to Joshua 5 and we see the Angel of the Lord appear to Joshua before they take Jericho and Joshua worships this angel and calls him Lord. "And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him, 'What does my Lord say to his servant?' And the commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, 'Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy.' And Joshua did so." (Joshua 5:14-15).
Notice that this "Angel" says the same thing to Joshua that God said to Moses in the burning bush. Only twice in scripture is the command given to remove one's sandals because they are standing on Holy Ground, and both times it is because of the immediate presence of God. Here, too, we have a preincarnate appearance of Jesus, a Christophany.
Jump to the New Testament and we have John 10:30, in which Jesus says "The Father and I are one."
In John 8:58-59, Jesus says: "'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.' So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." Jesus claims to be the I AM, and it's so obviously a claim to be God that the crowd tries to stone him for blasphemy.
In Mark 14, when Jesus stands trial, he quotes a prophecy from Daniel 7 about his identity and the High Priest immediately tears his robes and cries blasphemy. This was not because he claimed to be Messiah, but because he claimed to be God. You can ask any practicing Jew today and they will tell you that you are allowed to claim to be the Messiah. You are not allowed to claim to be God. Here is the passage: "Again the high priest asked him, 'Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?' And Jesus said, 'I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.' And the high priest tore his garments and said, 'What further witnesses do we need? You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?' And they all condemned him as deserving death." Mark 14:61-64
If you do not believe that Jesus is God, then you must believe Jesus was lying and you are not a Christian. You cannot be. This is essential doctrine.
Nonsense
@@ggductor1511 Repent and seek the truth. You've been misled.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel, YHVH our God is ONE (Echad)
The relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit has been a point of discussion for almost 2000 years.
In Malachi 3:6 we read that YHVH does not change. Therefore the key to understanding the relationship of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit can be found in the above verse Deuteronomy 6:4.
To employ that key we must look at the original language of the text where YHVH is describes as One. The verse is the basis of the Shema which is the fundamental statement of faith for the Jewish people. Most non Messianic Jews have a big problem with the Christian concept of a triune God.
The key for both Jews and Christians to learn the correct concept of our God is the word echad. Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part.
There is another Hebrew word from the same root - Yachid which means single. The meaning of Echad (more than one part) is a confirmation of the Hebrew word Elohim which is translated as God. Elohim is a plural word - more than one being called God
There is one more clear proof of the truine nature of the God of Israel.
Isaiah 48:16 And now YHVH and His Ruach (Spirit) have sent Me (an eternal person speaking in verse 12 and 16 - Yeshua)
Three entities can be clearly seen in that verse. The nature of God is a mystery, but we can clearly see that although God is Echad, He is much more than that - He is Echad and He is Elohim - Hallelu YAH
Echad means ‘one/only’..... there’s no indication whatsoever that it means many in one and the Bible doesn’t say so. Elohim is not God’s name. That appellate simply means master/lord. The ‘im’ plurality is simply as a deference to whom it is addressed therefore it is called the majesty of plurality and does not have to do with numbers.
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
אֶחָד ʼechâd, ekh-awd'; a numeral from H258; properly, united, i.e. one; or (as an ordinal) first:-a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-) ly, each (one), eleven, every, few, first, highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together,
Strong's Concordance 3173. yachid
yachid: only, only one, solitary Original Word: יָחִיד
Part of Speech: Adjective; substantive Transliteration: yachid
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw-kheed') Definition: only, only one, solitary
Transliteration
'ĕlōhîm
Part of Speech
masculine noun
Plural of אֱלוֹהַּ (H433)
The KJV translates Strong's H430 in the following manner: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
I. (plural)
A. rulers, judges
B. divine ones
C. angels
D. gods
II. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
. god, goddess
A. godlike one
B. works or special possessions of God
C. the (true) God
D. God
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The creator in the trinity is limited to:
1- a time (current timeline),
2- a race (Adam's race) and
3- a place (Earth).
A creator with such limitations can't function outside it.
By definition, The Creator is a being who's capable of creating anything out of nothing, erase what he creates and bring a brand new creation. The creator in the trinity is a creator, but he is not the creator of everything. Christianity start in the trinity and ends there.
Proud to be a Muslim.
I wouldn't be, as the Quran gives permission to strike a woman, and gives a contradictory message about "infidels". You are deceived by Satan
NO he is not all the way through the Old Testament he is the Father and the Bible tells you not to follow after gods you have not known there for if someone says god is a trinity when he never was in the Old Testament then you must not follow it, also Yeshua clearly precisely says his father and our father is his God and our God...
you better study the old testament then... or is that done away with too...?
@@davidnord1979 No its not and I read the OLD TESTAMENT you ignorant man you have no clue what you are on about heretic
@@davidnord1979 so when God is the head of messiah he's head of him self logic much... how about I go to my father and your father my god and your God so yeshuas god is our God and yeshua worshiped the father not trinity. And how yeshua said you the father you are the alone true God who sent yeshua messiah but yeah illogical trinity
@@davidnord1979 or how when he is in heaven in revelation he still says he will set us up as pillars to temple of his god and give us the name of the new Jerusalem from his god and the name of his god lol
@Sage of Synergism Yes because GOD gave him Authority whats your point? You do realise that Yeshua says I go to my father and your father MY GOD AND YOUR GOD... SO My God is Yeshua's God the FATHER not a trinity... The Head of Yeshua is GOD (The Father), The ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus who YOU (the only true God) sent... I make you a pillar to the temple of My GOD, And give you the name of MY GOD mate if you wish to believe in Trinity that is your decision I can't force you to see sense I just wish for the best for you. -- Also WE WILL JUDGE ANGELS does that make us GOD? and We will Judge People, and SIT on HIS THRONE also lol
The fullness of the Godhead dwels in YAHUSHA fully. The Father, the Son and Ruach (the Godhead) dwell in Yahusha fully.
Col 2:9 KJV For in him (Yahusha) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead (Father. Son, H/S) bodily...
What scripture says God is a person? Humans are persojns not God.
I think it’s confusion to believe Jesus is God. How can He be on the right hand or pray to himself? God is God and Jesus is not God, but is God’s only begotten Son, our Savior and the One to show us the way through this life.
You are on the right track, but there are more scriptures which lend credence to your belief Jesus DECLARES his lack of omniscience/omnipotence by not knowing his time of return, nor knowing who who will be seated to HIS right/left, in the future. That's huge.
Put the Greek God Zeus in the middle of that diagram because that's what you're doing with the Trinity. You can make this Greek doctrine your God because it's so magnificent the way it's so reasoned out so you just worship the magnificence of its cleverness but it's ultimately b******* and a lie a distraction of Satan. It's evil and it's fascinating in a comic book kind of way.
This is eternal life that they might know u the only true GOD John 17: 3
The history of the Trinity begins at 15:00. I believe the Bible, and the Trinity is nowhere in the Bible. I do not have to believe in something that Jesus didn't teach. If people believe that the Trinity is the correct reconfiguration of God, then they should know where the concept of the Trinity came from, and be able to explain why Jesus and the Bible needed the Roman Catholic's "supplemental information".
Great job Sean! This is important that Christians return to the One True God of the Bible the Father of Jesus.
I would like you to consider something. The Name of God is highly sacred to the Jewish people. They have guarded it and do not want it to be misused. It is not Yahweh. There never was the letter "W" in the Hebrew language.
God's Name is Yehovah (Yeho-VAH'). High level rabbis have transmitted The Name in secret ceremonies standing over water in candle light at night so that it would be remembered exactly as Moses heard it on Mt. Sinai. Rhymes and word puzzles have been used to validate it forever. There are over 3,000 ancient documents in Hebrew that have been made public in the last few years. Every one of them validates the pronunciation of The Name.
The Name is to be protected and kept hidden from non-Jews until the Messianic Age when "God is One". They don't want Trinitarians to have the Name. You believe that God is "One". Please take a final step out of Rome and break through the barriers that have separated Christianity from the Jewish people, the guardians of God's Oneness and His Name.
The best reference is Nehemia Gordon the Hebrew scholar. You can phone me.
Dave Christensen (406) 930-1663
Big Timber, Montana
@Sage of Synergism
The Trinity is never mentioned in the Bible. You mean to say that you believe the 6th Century Roman Catholic "revelation" that a Trinity is implied.
Jesus never used his Father's Sacred Name YHVH for himself, and it is NOT "Yahweh".
If you have come here to challenge your conclusions, rather than just share them, the 21st Century Reformation web site addresses all the verses commonly used to support the Trinity. They can do it better than I can.
Furthermore, the rediscovery of the New Testament in the original ancient Hebrew language clarifies everything, and the passages that have been used to support a Trinity can no longer do that.
As the Roman Catholic re-make of Christianity is being removed, there is no longer any reason for Jews to reject "Christianity". "The Father alone is God". Jn
Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "The Messiah the Son of God". Jesus affirmed that answer and on it he built his Church. That is my Church, based on the rock of Jesus the Son of God and the Messiah. Jesus never said he was God. "Do not take anything from the Bible and do not add anything to it".
@@davechristensen8299 O.K.. But I would like more info.. How do you see the relationship between the Father Son and Holy Spirit?
@@randallsmith7224 Hi Randall! I wrote you twice but it did not take. I'll try dividing it into two segments. I see God as the Creator, "He Causes Being", our Parent and Father (Daddy). He is infinite unlimited but He is right here with us and in us right here right now. He is not removed from you nor His creation.
I see Jesus as God's perfect son, the only one who never disconnected from God and was always WITH God. Jesus broke into our realm by a miracle so that we could see what it is like to be a man who is fully at-one with his Father. Jesus conquered the forces that kept mankind from being at one with the Father. He reconciled us. Jesus is not only our model, he is our brother, inviting us back into relationship with the Father.
Jesus said "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Because THE FATHER LIVES IN ME AND I LIVE IN HIM." He said that 3 times so we would not miss is. If Jesus was God, this is one of the places he would have said so. He did not.
Jesus said, "If you do what I say the Father and I will come and live in you." God touches earth IN Jesus, and THROUGH Jesus not as Jesus.
THE SPIRIT OF SONSHIP
Jesus ascended and left the limited physical form. We can know him through the Holy Spirit which the Father gave him and he sent to us. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Son that says we can call God our Father, Abba (Daddy) and become the full sons of God, and be full heirs with Christ. In other words Jesus sent the spirit of truth that restores us as the image and likeness of God like Jesus is.
If Jesus was God then we could not become full sons of God like Jesus is, because we cannot be God. Our Father wants to use us to bring creation into being, just as He did THROUGH Jesus. If we receive the heritage that Jesus modeled for us, our birthright, we can start doing the miracles like Jesus did.
The Doctrine of the Trinity takes our birthright away and makes the church hierarchy be our intermediary. We are the sons of God when we let God be all.
There is one place in John where the Spirit is called "He". But that is not in the original text. When the Roman Church had the Bible translated into Greek they made some changes which support their Greek theology of God being three Persons. If we expect an imaginary third person to do things for us then we become helpless. The Spirit is the Spirit of the Father living in us like the Father lived in Jesus. God dwells in us fully in His Holy Spirit.
continued.....Jesus was very clear that his Father was greater than him. He said, "I can do nothing by myself. It is my Father living in me who doeth the works." Jesus lived at-one with the Father. He heard his Father's thoughts and felt from his Father's heart. Jesus never would have competed with his Father for being God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus was God, nor that God was some composite of three beings. That was the worldview of the Platonic Greek philosophers who murdered the Jewish Christians and took over the movement, believing Greeks to be more philosophically advanced that Jews who did not have Plato, but “only had their Old Testament”.
There are several passages that have been used wrongly to try and validate the Doctrine of the Trinity. If you go to the 21 Century Reformation web site they address every one of those passages. There are mature Bible preaching pastors in every branch of Christianity who have said, "I cannot preach these Roman doctrines any longer. The doctrines are not Biblical and they make people slaves." These guys are all saying about the same thing; just what it says in the Bible. There are great CZcams videos also by Seventh Day Adventists who have stepped out of the Doctrine of the Trinity. A good teacher is Nader Mansour.
The Trinity makes everything blurry. The truth is that you have a Father and you have a brother. They tell you to look for them living in you.
Although there is great miracle working power in getting the Truth right, and unleashing your full birthright, what is more important than academic classification is that you let the Spirit that the Son receives from the Father (Love) live in your heart and guide your life.
Your Father designed you and made you the way He wanted to. That is a cool thing to have a Father and Creator. You were wanted and designed by the highest intelligence there is. He has great things in store for you that you could never dream of yourself. If you allow Him to be all, you will not have to surrender one bit of your unique individuality because He gave it to you and He knows how to make you happy!!! Let yourself receive everything He designed you to receive!
We can be good people! But the goal is for the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Sonship, to excite and empower our lives with heavenly potential! We can hear from our Father and testify of the results in church. I'm sure you do! And the Kingdom will be established on earth.
Blessing to you as you grow closer to your Father and His Son (your best friend) living inside of you, and wanting to put everything of heaven in your lap!
Dave
Hi Randall! I do not know if you are the person who asked about Jesus using the word "ONE". I got lost in all the dialogue. But if you are interested I made a new comment giving research on that.
Thanks for sharing Jesus explained salvation is by following the commandents of God in Mathew 5.19(anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.). He said the first and most important commandment that God is one (o isreal our Lord God is one). Jesus believed God is one. He prayed to God in Luke 6.12 . He fasted and paid charity in Luke 18.12 . He was circumcised on the eighth day adhering to laws of God. So trinity, crucification belief and diety of Jesus are not part of the commandments and they're other teaching that jesus warned about. Holy spirit is Angel Gabriel God sent him to support jesus during his preaching or teaching. God said in the Quran chapter heifer v87( we gave Moses scripture and sent a succession of messangers after him and we gave Jesus son of Mary a clear proofs and we supported him with holy spirit ). God bless you
Where did you take this shit in Bible that Holy Spirit is angel? That is demonic pure shit! Go away.
Trinitarian High Math 1 + 1 + 1 ≡ 1 and 1 x 1 x 1 = 3. 3 ≠ 1 and 1 = 3.
Trinitarian word problem: What God? Which God? Whose God? God or god or god-being or godhead or 'head god' or 'father god' or 'god father'? 'person god' or 'god person' or 'god ghost'? God is God and God is not God. Jesus is God; God is Jesus? What Jesus? Which Jesus? Whose Jesus? Jesus the Superstar? Jesus, the Christian?
so you think God is some math problem? just because you cant extrapolate the God of the Bible w your 2.5 pound brain, He must not exist?
you dont seem to see the obvious disconnect my friend:)
Isa 40:25:“To whom will you compare me?
Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
thanks for proving to us, that you worship such a tiny god, that you have all figured out...sorry but our God is that magnificent that Human language cannot explain Him...dont compare our God to your god
you must be refering to the common core you grew up on
@@redpill-eroftruth7443 'Father is greater than I', 'Father is greater than all'
@@realityinfake3765 the Father is Greater than I?
Jn 14:28:If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
we Trinitarians have no problem w your argument...
What is the role of the Son?
Mk 10:45:For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
What is the role of the Father?
Jn 13:16:Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.
now that has been cleared up...
I assume you have a boss...while your boss carries the role of the MASTER/Employer, you.....your role is the SERVANT/Employee...pay attention now....given your boss is GREATER in ROLE as the MASTER while you are the SERVANT...does this mean HE is Greater in Humanness then you?
can he be any more greater as a human being in nature and or being?
JUST like the person of the Father, though greater in ROLE....the SON is just as much the VERY NATURE GOD, the EXACT REPRESENTATION of GOD's BEING
Phil 2:5-6:Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
(*JESUS is the very nature who?)
Heb 1:3:The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being,(*JESUS is the exact representation of God's what?)
they call your greater then the Son argument a Categorical Fallacy...dont get ROLES mixed up with NATURE/BEING
O.K.. But I would like more info.. How do you see the relationship between the Father Son and Holy Spirit?
If you a picture of Jesus with a long hair.
Look at the bibke " Is it a shame for a man to have long hair?
The Disciples "Never" Baptized in Trinity, they baptized in the Name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus, Jesus of Nazareth. because there aren’t 3 God’s.
Jesus will send the Holyghost from the Father to remind you, there is eternal circulation within these tree as one God.
NEGATIVE !
We know very clearly where and when the Trinity doctrine entered the Christian church.
Most supporters of the Godhead tend to ignore that, but scholars are on the same page.
Ancient Judaism did not worship a trinity, that is a fact. The 1st and 2nd century christians did not worship a trinity, that is also a fact.
In the 300 years post the apostle John dying, There is no evidence those christians worshipped up a Trinity either.
We can only trace the Christian church believing & teaching trinity doctrine AFTER the council of Nicea 325 CE.
Unacceptably unexplainable.
Especially for a foundational doctrine.
It doesn't matter what his excuse is for calling God a person or Jesus a person or the Holy Spirit a person. He is actually portraying himself to be Gods equal. He may as well be calling himself God. This all came from Catholicism where the Pope sees himself as God on earth. God is God Jesus is Jesus the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit 3 enlightened entities but 1 in the Word. In the beginning there was the WORD the Word was with God and the Word was God, the Word was made flesh and he dwelt amongst us, Jesus said when I am gone I will send the comforter the Holy Spirit/The Spirit of the WORD. The trinity is 3 but 1 in the Word. The Word is what Jesus Christ kills the false prophet and the anti christ with.
The Word was God's word that became flesh in Jesus Christ. Why do so many misunderstand that the Word was God's word not a second entity with God in the begining. Didn't God speak the world into existence? The holy scriptures doesn't begin by saying "in the begining Jesus created etc"!
Hear o Israel YeHoVaH our God is one.
Trinity is not in the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh period. This was later added interpolation.
Isaiah 45:5
Tell me if God is 3 persons?
God is not the author of confusion!!!
Jesus said " Oh hear Israel the Lord our God is one.
John 17:3
The father or God is the only true God .
Jesus is a messenger or representative of God. Is neither equal or incarnation in the flesh. God is not a man period.
Any God who has defects is not worthy of being God.
God is One and that He is unique from everything He creates.
Isaiah 44:24
Numbers 23:19
Horse 11:9The creator of heaven and earth from Adam to John the Baptist they all had on true God., not 3 separate persons. To proof, let see how they all prayed. Neither saw each others ,yet they fell on their faces,.they praying the same even Jesus went little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed.
Matthew 7:21-23
This what will happen when you misused the word Lord to Jesus.
Matthew 5:17
Not break the commandment
For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20
Are you better than than the teacher of the law and a strict religious sect of the Jews?
Someone asked about this: "I and my Father are ONE." Jn 10:30. In Greek ἕν (hen) is used. It can mean “at one”, “unity”, “united” or “in union”. This word can imply a relationship.
A different word for ONE is used other places: "None is good but the One true God." Or in, "YHVH is One." Here εἷς (heis) is used for "one". This is the primary numeral one. Singular. One alone.
The Bible is not saying that Jesus is the one God. The Gospel is about a relationship. A Parent-child relationship that we are invited to return to. Jesus wants you to be at-one with him and the Father as Jesus and the Father are one. ( ἕν in union.)
The people who wrote the King James Bible did not understand Hebrew nor Greek fully. I regret that they did not acknowledge that there were two different Greek words for "one". And I regret that some of the newer translations trying to stick close to the King James did not do their homework either.
It doesn't matter, every time a person read the bible, the Holy Spirit will guide him. Gbu.
King James is not a good translation and not his own btw. Based on another translation 100 years earlier. There are many studies here about that. It is not based on earliest scriptures. Many mistakes etc.
@@pekde you got it all wrong in every angle. KJV is tyhe most correct, Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, Jesus has 24 chromosom while human have 46, 23 He got it from Mother Mary and 1 Y chromosom He got it from the Holy Spirit. Now the Spirit of God the Father ((Holy Ghost) has 7 fold, one of them is the Spirit of the Lord, who is rhe spirit .of Jesus. Benny Hinn is a heretic, but God never care about that, Evander Holyfield had been cured from his heart problem while attending BH sermon. It was not because God listened to BH's prayer, but it was because God care about His child EH. Gbu still, brother.
The very same point was raised in the debate between professor Barnes and INC minister bro. Romel San Pedro. Its funny that trinitarians are even using this as prooftext to support the trinity.
JESUS said no one knows the son except the father and no one knows the father except the son
JESUS said O righteous father the world have not known you but I know you and this have known that you sent me jn 17 25
JESUS SAID THE WORLD HAS NOT KNOWN GOD ALMIGHTY
JESUS never taught YHVH or YHWH
( 26) and I have declared to them your name and will delared it that the love with which you love me maybe in them and I in them
JESUS DECLARED TO HIS DECIPLES THE NAME OF THE FATHER
John said this is the message which we have heard from him and declared to you that God is LIGHT (1jn 1:5)
God is LIGHT
JESUS is the LIGHT
So..
JESUS is the name of the father
JESUS is the name of the Son
I and my father are one
God is Spirit
God was manifested in the Flesh
his name is JESUS
JESUS said it is the Spirit gives life the flesh profit nothing the word that I speak to you are spirit and are life jn 6 63
JESUS SPIRIT gives life
JESUS FLESH profit nothing he is a man son of man and son of God , hung and died on the cross
Spirit and Flesh= One
I and my father are one
One body One Spirit
For what man knows the things of a man except the Spirit of a man which is in him,,,? Even so no one knows the things of God except the SPIRIT of God
Please if you love Jesus and love God read the final revelation of God ( the Quran) and you will see the true message of jesus
@Toby Sweet keep telling yourself that 😂😂😂
Just like trinitarians can't tell the difference between one true God and his Messiah who he sent and can't understand that the spirit is the power of God and his Son and not a person and anytime goes in Trinity world LoL
Theophilus’s version of the trinity
God=Father, explained in scripture
His Word=Is Jesus “The Son”, explained in scripture
His Wisdom=Spirit, numerous times The Spirit and wisdom have been one and the same
With the above said, God is still NOT A TRINITY, and Jesus really is The only begotten and beloved Son of The One True God the Father
The Disciples Baptized in the "Name" of Jesus.
If you don’t believe Jesus is God then you shouldn’t pray to him.
... Exodus 34:14
“For thou shalt worship no other God: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:”
Jesus never once called himself God. Jesus always called himself the Son of God.
Forgive them FATHER for they know not what they do.
Jesus cried with a loud voice saying. Father into YOUR hands I commit MY SPIRIT.
ONE LORD AND ONE GOD OVER ALL: JESUS A ON THE LEFT AND ONCE AGAIN ON THE RIGHT Ω. John 1 18 God is a tetramorph of an angel 😇 a Lion 🦁 an eagle 🦅 and a calf. God THE FATHER 😮 IS THE HOLY MARY ❤️💓💜💖
sir this is a wendys
@@xxxViceroyxxx I am the Messiah
nice dude @@walkortalk66
I have heard them refer to GOD as a person.
To bring him down to our level .
Very degrading.
Romans 1:21
New American Standard Bible
21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their reasonings, and their senseless hearts were darkened.
Clearly Jesus is God if you believe scripture.
The apostles believed Jesus was God.
John 1:1-3
New American Standard Bible
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him ]not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
You can't accept scripture so you don't believe it's that simple.
@@richarddemichelis6804
GOD Is Not A Man
Numbers 23:19 (KJV) God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
1 Samuel 15:29 (KJV) And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he [is] not a man, that he should repent.
Hosea 11:9 (KJV) I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I [am] God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
John 4:24 (KJV) God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
John 1 "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning."
Clamp for yourself for Hersey teaching.
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"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
--Matthew 28:19 The Father and Son have names, so this verse indicates that the Holy Ghost also has a name.
If the Holy Ghost is the ghost of Adam, then the reason scripture does not give his name is likely because there is so much dishonoring of our first temporal father that this knowledge would be "meat" that they are not ready for, and could cause them to stumble in the faith.
Research whether this verse was in fact in any manuscripts….
What is the name of the FATHER, SON and HOLY GHOST (Matthew 28: 19)
Well no, The expression "in the name of", Doesn't need to refer to an actual name.
If you do something in the name of an ideal, You do it in order to preserve or promote that thing.