Was MOVEMENT NERFED ?? Without telling us…
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S11 & 12 Reverse Egineering by IcePixel
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B-Hop Air strafe comparison by
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00:00 Intro + Explanation
02:49 Sprint Acceleration
03:20 Sliding
03:50 Deadslides
06:29 Jump Fatigue
07:28 Lurches
08:57 Air strafe + Horizon
10:24 Conclusion
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Outro: Gloria Tells - Afraid (Instrumental)
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Apex Legends Season 12 Movement nerfed Air strafing Shadow nerfed
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I was pretty sure this was either related to the Devs playing around with the lurch affect and things not being out back together properly or simply server performance, especially with the no reg situation returning. Glad to hear it was just server performance after all. This was probably the best possible analysis on this, great job and thank you Mokey.
I thought it had something to do with the nerf of punch boosting
I think jhonny young was messing with it when he last tested the season in his review of it
a what effect??
@@lauens maybe a visual effect applied to player camera or something
I don't think it's a lurch thing bc it fells different on console too
I think it has to be down to server performance. In season 11 I think servers were running the best they'd ever been, wonder what has changed... (I don't think this is down to perception, there was noticeably less stutter last season and the servers actually survived the season the launch for the first time in ages)
I noticed the problems more in control, where a ton of people are jammed into a small area. Also, Apex playerbase is at an all time high after s12, so it makes sense
@@eicamer7069 Oh for sure. Certain audio would disappear entirely at times. I remember shooting audioless guns in the middle of the mayhem. But it also brought forth other issues.
At the same time, I had some of the worst server performance I’ve ever experienced last season. There were stretches of hours where it just wouldn’t let me leave a game and connect back to the lobby. Or I’d ready up with a teammate, they’d get into a game, and it would just leave me in the lobby. I’ve played every season and this was the first time I experienced these issues.
Servers were dogshit in season 11, I was getting 120 in Oregon and 90 in iowa and I’m in Vancouver
@@Icecicle83 I though that only happens to me. Wow, they should get new servers.
Oh my god thank you Mokey, I've been doing insane this season thinking I lost my timing or something and I'm so glad we have so much info so far
Me too I thought I was washed
The dead slides are the only thing I've noticed that's different this season in that they happen way more often. I'm certain that the poor server performance is responsible for making the movement feel worse overall this season. I play on console and the servers are also performing worse than they were in previous seasons for me. Everything feels sluggish because of the crap servers
same here
@Me my comment was 3 months old and talking about last season. It seems like the issues are fixed this season
Mokey that ur making that effort for us is sooooo cool thank u for beeing the best apex content creator
Completely off topic but I love how your transitions into talking about sponsors and telling us to sub are always so clean
Also off topic, but it sounds like a sponsor transition from ltt, feels similar
The deadslide thing has been catching me off guard so many times. That's why I mostly stick to movement legends like path and octane or horizon right now. Seems like frameskipping is also happening way more often, like the servers' cpu gets a buffer overload and has to play catch up.
It is super interesting to see the exact values of things
this games are so complex and have to take into consideration every value of the phisics engine for every legend and every input. It is crazy and shows how complex game development is.
Incredibly well made. Love how tact you are in debunking this. Conversations around this often are way more inflammatory and accusatory than they need to be.
If you want to have a true test of air acceleration, you can use +left and +right turn binds combined with sprint to slow them down and air strafe with the binds to achieve a string of bunny hops. By using +left and right you can have essentially a macro for you mouse movement. I use these binds all the time when i surf on csgo.
I would appreciate similar investigation about tagging, maybe it's the s12 lag you were talking about but it feels more annoying than previous seasons
Sup Mokey.Bro, your like a Spacex scientist with your research and numbers.The Apex Legends physicist/mathematician! I found this movement tech with Maggie!I had a shotgun and ran towards a ledge that was above a staircase, when i vaulted over the staircase as maggie and hit the floor of the staircase, which was about 2 characters tall, i hit the ground and pressed jump and she literally JUMPED TWO PEOPLE HIGH!Idk what it is or how it works but its pretty cool.Not sure what good use it would be but hey, if anyone can figure it out, itd be the og movement god.Great work and another thumbs up from me.
That happens to me sometimes! I notice it especially right after getting out of pathfinder grapples. Sometimes I've bounced two people high. Good luck with your discoveries!
I think control served as the perfect mode to highlight all the current server and or game issues in Apex. Certain audio would go completely mute in the mayhem (I could be shooting a devotion or car and it'd be muted out), no regs, desync, legends bugging out when there's too many players (bloodhound for example), server disconnections, movement (as the video highlights), and random stutters that are unrelated to hardware. In sure there's more I can't think of rn, but control served as a good environment to see it all. Be nice if we got better servers. New players REALLY want to join the game, but being disconnected from a match that goes on for a good while is a huge killjoy.
Honestly this is the first ive heard of it I've never ever had a problem with audio on this game...
Maybe get a good headset.
@@mcgoofe1871 bruh complaint about audio have been justifiably in the game forever, third parties are notorious for having zero footstep audio an be pathfinder occasionally monkeys in with no grapple warning.
Smooth guy making me sub! Nice video my man. Keep up the amazing work😁
I think part of the reason it also spreads more is confirmation bias. Now that people are talking about the movement shadownerf, every time you get a deadslide you think "oh man shadownerf", and notice them a lot more than previous seasons, maybe making you think it's real.
Edit: I know they do also happen more I'm just saying this makes the problem worse than it really is.
Nah I been noticing it already and now I see this video
I’ve been noticing dead slides way more this season before ever hearing anything about a “shadow nerf”. Server performance seems to be off this season.
I agree, some people are gonna notice it ofc but others are gonna start noticing it where it isn't the cause after they know it can happen from a game change
That can be true for new players but many including me have been playing for a long time, we know when to blame ourselves
But this time is not it
Love your videos man🤧 make my day
Jeeze I think we should all thank Macro for his contributions on this video
Really appreciate you doing this type of legwork boss, you the man!
wow so comprehensive, thanks mokey!
I feel like this rumor was only fueled by the fact that Respawn DID shadow nerf movement during the Control playtest at the start of the season. Even though the tap strafe nerf was reversed for the full season release, I'm sure the idea was still brewing in the back of people's heads.
A rumour fueled by truth... What times we live in
So much efforts in the testing stuff ! Thanks a lot @Mokeysniper. :)
really well done and explained, thanks mokey :)
Your videos, and the entire movement tech community, are the right amount of thorough that satisfies my OCD. Thank you. I love your content.
So I’ve been doing some testing in the Fr this week it seems they are working on it because on the beginning of the week I noticed i consistent frame drops -80 FPS around if I looked in a certain direction. And it was consistent for a few days but then the frame drops moved more to the center of the Firing range before it was by the ult charge up station now it by the shot guns and energy guns
real smooth sponser Segway and good video. Thank you :)
Great video, I love your scientific approach to things, makes it so much more credible than human tests and how it feels
Im sure u worked a lot 4 this video.
That's why u got my subscription.👍
Very nice in depth look. Thanks mokey
Mokey, für andere ist es nur ein Videospiel, du hebst das ganze in eine andere Dimension :D Danke für die Arbeit und Liebe zum Detail!❤️
Was waiting patiently for this video
Amazing investigations as always!
I'm pretty sure respawn have lowered server tick rate even further, that's why it feels so different because the game and server aren't synced as closely as before
People would defo notice a lowered server tickrate I'm pretty sure it would totally break the physics in a source game, like in csgo where nade lineups change between 64 and 128 tick servers
Man you actually say actually what needs to be said rather than stretch it out... My respect for you in insane
I’ve noticed way more dead slides this season than what I’m used to. Yet again, I haven’t really truly played Apex since season 4. Very interesting and informative video. Thank you for the quality content
Thank you so much for this!
man respect for all the work that you put on these videos, really amazing stuff.
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Thank you mokey for this thorough investigation. I am happy with the outcome and was one if those who thought the movement was nerfed. Glad it was just bad server performance. Keep up the good work!
Okay that's amazing investigation tbh. Love the octane dancing in the outro xD
You're amazing. Nice to hear it's just the servers, as always. We were all afraid they were nerfing movement again without telling us.
Can’t imagine the time you put in videos just amazing 🔥
taxi sitting on his chair talking to chat "100% they changed movement, i can tell im an expert on these things"
FOR THE GIBBY BUBBLE THING: it has been big in the firing range for TWO seasons of play tests hasn’t it? But only in the season 11 and season 12 invite only play test. And when the update comes out the bubble is normal.
I'm having problems where tap strafing isn't registered every 5 or so strafes. It's probably a problem with the lurch mechanic itself, maybe stemming from the time they nerfed it back in the control testing.
Thank you for pointing this out, Mokey. This enlighten me in some way.
Wow thank you for investigating this phenomenon, i guess it comes down to bad server performance causing some the deadslides and some bsd judgement by user the user in timing
7:33
i recently learned tap strafing and it was pretty clear that, pressing a movement option after jumping kills some momentum to the original direction, if you hold the direction key before you take off you can strafe as normal and perform a full velocity tap strafe.
Is this changed then or is your timing so tight ?
Taxi punching the air rn
great work by both you and the peeps @ r5r! GJ
Hi Mokey! Did you do any tests where you did a slide jump on a slope that WASN'T shallow, and tested how much more momentum was regained after landing? That's the only movement thing I've actually felt may be different from last season.
There's many slopes on maps that I feel like you'd get much more momentum after slide jumping on that don't feel exactly the same, at least in my head. I explained this in my last comment on your last video as well.
Thanks for being the one to do the testing
You might be on to something because punch boosting was removed from the game
I have switched to pc but it seems to be harder to super-glide. This can’t be to do with fps because my pc locks the stats at my monitor settings, 4k 60. This could be that I am just bad at doing it on m and k and need more practice, or server lag but it seems very hard to do this season.
I believe a change was made to side strafing. It could be server response making it feel more sluggish, but it would also make sense for them to try to steer people away from crouch spamming/side strafing instead of encouraging their community to get better.
I love ur vids man
banger ending music man. good choice.
beautiful
this man what would we do without u
Will you ever look at the audio changes made in season 10? its almost unbelievable that this isn't a more widely spoken about topic, I can only assume that's because people were so caught up with the seer release they didn't notice.
It takes less that 30 seconds to watch a clip from season 9 and then season 10 and compare them, everything from the directional audio to how far you can hear footsteps.
Love the videos btw :)
Factssss I knew the audio sounded different
@@knight808. Its a completely different audio profile and nothing even comes close to it regarding its impact on gameplay.
Did it get better or worse?
@@RemedieX worse, allot worse.
I feel like most apex players learned long ago that there was no hope for audio
the thing with sliding is rediculous. sometimes it feels like i couldn't slide at all after i bunny hopped or ledgeboosted of somewhere
The issue is probably depends on how the sever performs or should I call Netcode
You might be running at full velocity on your side but on the server side you are not at full velocity trying to slide jump
I have been getting a lot more dead slides the past 2 seasons. 2 seasons ago I also moved to a new apartment which my very fast internet also have common back lag spikes up to 200 ping sometimes, and this ends with me having ALOT more dead slides.
Good, factual vid 👏🏻
"Server bad and people brain bad" absolutely love it 😂❤🔥
2:29 i remember that
The gibby bubble being bigger is real and u can’t convince me otherwise
I noticed a couple days ago that the slide wasn’t the same
A couple seasons ago and since then, I've seen that my bunnyhops have missed a hop on occasion, making it look like I slide on the floor sometimes when using scroll wheel. Just wondering if anyone else has seen the same. I probably has something to do with server latency, but not completely sure.
no idea why but all of your videos are so grabbing and entertaining.
just realised i wasnt subscribed so... +1 sub xox
Seeing your old pfp gave me so much nostalgia 💙
"server bad ... people brain bad"
LMAO
Doesn’t get more professional than this 🖤
I think it also has a lot to do with the beginning of every season getting an influx in new and returning players putting a lot more stress on the servers. Great content as always Mokey!
Been over a month, most of the influx that are there just for new season are gone
haven't seen the caustic wearing the coat lab in so long... brings me back man
Danke das du den scheiß machst. Mega genaue Videos und super gut erklärt. Du machst dir mega viel arbeit und das sieht man. :D
Once again mokey displays why he is the pinnacle of apex news/informative content
thank you for your research, our movement professor o7
I was really hoping you would test super gliding, I feel like I have noticed a big difference.
I don't think the problem is lurches or air movements. Last time i played the game was in season 10, i didn't play much on season 11, and now on season 12 i try to go to firing range and try tap strafing, feels difference, turns out it was nerfed, ok then i tried my favorite things to do when I'm bored, b hopping, and somehow i felt that something was off, i didn't make the second slide jumps no matter how many times i tried, i tried doing every jumps precisely and turns out when you do the first slide jumps and then you land, you're gonna get a shake on your screen, and for some reasons that is the cause of my second jumps always failed, i know this seem to have nothing to do with movement, BUT WHY I COULD ONLY JUMPS AFTER THE FIRST SCREEN SHAKE??? It used to just get rid of the screen shake when i jump again in S10?
Is it also the server problem? But i try it on firing range, also multiple different times and different lobby??
I still feel like grappling gravity when going down is wonky, might be a bad server thing tho
On controller, if you hit a jump cannon and turn 90deg and push forward you can move away from the center of the next one. Which you couldn’t before.
im pretty sure apex changed something in their servers cause i noticed a difference this season and i do not use twitter and i hadn't even seen anything about it before noticing. I shared it with a friend well two but one says he didnt notice, the other also felt that way so i decided to check online and thats when i saw that this was a thing. I honestly think its because apex did something in terms of connection to the servers or something more than them actually nerfing it, they probably would have mentioned something as important as this.
Now thats a quality video
yup, they even eliminated punch boosting, at least rn i cant even punch boost in the large mountains and cableways on Storm point
i have a lot of package loss moments on fraknfurt-1 server
i even thought respawn started to "ddos" Russian players (i'm Russian)
but when i tested frankfurt-2 it was completely fine (but now i have 130 ping instead of 100...)
The presision is great on testing
"It's just server bad and people brain bad."
Lol I love the way that was said.
felt like it was buffed for me on controller and console all of a sudden i could super glide and wall bounce so much easier and do way better airstrafes sometimes feels like I’m tap strafing but ik I’m not
I was trying so hard to pay attention to the sponser but.. ring around the rosie with octane 🤣
I think i saw taxi on a stream after his ban talking about how they nerfed movement, he was giving examples but i don't remember what they were
How do you explain the taxi2g video when hes using horizon off of jumppad? where it takes him longer to be able to do a 180 turn with airstrafe?
To be fair, Taxi was banned for over a month. Muscle memory WILL degrade over than time. I know, for me personally at least, that my movement after taking a break does feel slower.
@@drunkdruid508 lol as a horizon main who did not stopped playing since Season 2. I felt the difference between Her movement from Season 11 and Season 12. i patched the game within an hour difference. The moment i launched Season 12 she feels clunkier than season 11.
I did not watch taxi's video but that was the very first thing I noticed too.
Based on this analysis I think it is to do with the increased frame rate issues in season 12 among other bugs and possibly new server side issues. I get a lot more dead jumps than I used to and this just makes movement feel shadow nerfed but as you demonstrated this is due to frame drops which in other words means game bugs where frames just randomly drop for no reason other than a bad game code causing it to happen.
The game keeps getting buggier and buggier as they keep rushing out new seasons while focusing less and less on bug fixing and polish.
dang it brain
Question - Where can you make suggestions to Respawn for ideas, reworks, nerfs, buffs, or just simple UI Improvements/Suggestions?
my brain expanding. Thanks, Mokey
Can you make a video testing the legends dead slide probability? I might be crazy but I feel like pathfinder gets dead slides and caught on little things on the ground (ie: the little curbs in Olympus) more than most of the other characters I play
Holy shit thank you for letting me know i wasn't crazy on deadslides, its been happening a ton more than ever before.
The scientist caustic gave me slingshot montage flashbacks for whatever reason
even if they nerfed it, currently when i’m about to get aped by a team in diamond on respawn, tapping A or D gives you like a mini strafe and helps you escape
Horizon movement values :OOOOOOO
I've had that many dead slides this season that have got me killed I thought I was getting worse at the game. Glad it's not just me losing my mind
I did hear a lot of complaints about it in game. Let's hope they fix it
I'm just glad I'm not the only one thrown off by dead slides happening more frequently. (compared to user input error)