Marc Goodman: A vision of crimes in the future
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2012
- www.ted.com The world is becoming increasingly open, and that has implications both bright and dangerous. Marc Goodman paints a portrait of a grave future, in which technology's rapid development could allow crime to take a turn for the worse.
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I really hope that people watch this through. Because the message of this video is absolutely astounding!
Great video!!! It is a must to watch for anyone in security or policing.
I believe Marc needs to read the book "The Red Queen" which discusses how our autoimmune system is in a cat and mouse game with the diseases of the world. It never ends. It's a perpetual arms race. The same things applies to technology. It will always be a cat and mouse game. The answer is to respond as quickly as possible not stick our heads in the sand and fear the apocalypse. Right now our mistake was not to assume that any device which can be remotely controlled needed security. Once we get there they will find exploits and we'll patch, and then it will repeat in perpetuity.
Excellent response and I totally agree with you.
This is a must watch!!🙌
This is... by far... the funniest stand-up I've seen in weeks
You CAN NOT print a working firearm with a metal 3D printer. It must go through an additional, complex, expensive infusion process to make a working firearm. We're talking an investment of hundreds of thousands of dollars to purchase the equipment necessary to "print" firearms. This is baseless fearmongering that is going to do more harm, than good. There's thousands of corporations that would love nothing more than to keep 3d printing out of the common mans hands. When we consider the usefulness of such a technology, it would be a crime against humanity to repress...
+dieselphiend i noticed a lot of propaganda in there, too. but he's not really talking about your typical thief. more like governments with the resources to do something on that scale. i didnt know about the private cell phone towers.
Javascript Kiddie I think we need to make our position very apparent ahead of time. Long before we actually need it, we need to build consensus that this technology should not be regulated.
+dieselphiend Live in permanent fear of people and technology and 'they've' already won. There's still far more people dying through poverty and curable disease than terrorism. Helping the world become a fairer and more equitable place would do more to combat terrorism than phony wars/anti-terrorism drives ever will.
However, hundreds of millions is nothing compared to hundreds of millions these terrorist organizations have coming in through many different ways. As we attempt to freeze thousands of accounts, other money laundering strategies keep the money flowing by the millions.
"when has it ever been possible for one person to rob 100 million people?"
Let's talk about the federal reserve and global/international banking
Why so many dislikes??? I especially wonder about it since his book have so many good reviews!!
Someone please explain!
He spends most of the video trying to scare us as much as possible,stretching truths sometimes, and then his answer is a facile we must cooperate. SMH
Stretching truths... pandemic is here... a very potent corona virus
Wow! Simply amazing.
I like how you give over the top names for similar or same things. A leader has more power than a follower, there for by your definition they are elite! Good job!
Well said.
That was a great episode!
A truly sobering and un-sugarcoated look at how technology in the wrong hands is a serious growing issue that we all need to be aware of to counter it effectively. Another fascinating lecture!
"Freedom from rulers, not freedom from rules." I love that! That's such a great meme.
By the way, I discovered those Bruce Lipton and Rob Williams videos because of your channel. Thank!
I think discussing the cause of people who lash out at society in one way or another is a very worthwhile conversation, and I think the best method for combating behaviour that hurts and kills other people, but I just think it's.... another conversation for another time. People sure as shit will always be trying to hurt one another, and we need to keep in mind that every progression in technology assists both good and bad intentions.
Ouch.. Well said.
Love it!
+1 million.
When he said "these can do 600mph", that was the last straw that broke the camels back for me.
very good infoemation ...
Excellent one..He predicted exactly then.. inspiring
Thank you for your insightful comment.
Thank you for the attempted correction. However, "Some regard the use of the determiner less with quantities to be incorrect, stating that less should indicate only a reduction in size or significance, leaving fewer to indicate a smaller quantity. In typical usage this distinction is absent, and less has been widely understood and commonly used as a synonym to fewer since it first appeared in Old English." Sourced from Wiktionary, go there if you want to follow up on their citations.
12:23
best ted talk ever actually. :3
I think we needed to heard that at some point. I also believe that Goodman's solutions are incomplete though.
Well THAT set my anxiety off!
Anyone else notice the DEFCON screen cap?
As much as people are criticizing TED and Marc Goodman, it's my belief that this is exactly what TED is about, to open discussion to the possible problems of our constantly and quickly developing world.
Why so many dislikes? He doesn't call for more survelliance and traditional anti terror/crime techniques, quite the contrary. He doesn't call for more control, less technological progress, erosion of civil rights, but opens a relevant discussion about how to engage these real problems as a society. It's not anti-rights or anti-technology, it's anti-crime and about being proactive about the problems that follow with technology.
“For every effect there is a root cause. Find and address the root cause rather than try to fix the effect, as there is no end to the latter.”
The most hopeful thing about this sentinels presentation are the comments left in this thread, you people reading and writing here have lifted my spirits and given me hope that we together will keep vigil on the lies and distractions that are used on us to keep us afraid and uninvolved, thank you so much world, courage is contagious, lets keep the bastards honest.
Wow, I had a lot of mispelled words!^^^
"Public Safety is to important to leave to the professionals." Now that's a scary thing to think about.
Great. Glad to know we were arguing.
well said :)
He's not talking at all about creating an environment of fear, or closing down freedoms. He's seen more that us civilians could imagine in our worst nightmares, what he's saying is that there is a real danger, that technology used in the wrong hands can cause atrocities. He's saying we need to be more aware that whilst we improve tech everyday those improvments can be used against us. We're not talking about the average criminal, these guys are much more dangerous
I gave it a like for the last minute."Public safety is too important to leave to the professionals."
I worked with Marc while assigned to Rampart Division of the LAPD.
Very intelligent, very arrogant, and very politically savy.
I'd not surprised to see him doing a TED talk.
It seems more like he was angling (possibly politically) for something with this presentation more than trying to help anyone.
What a genius, he is truly the voice of a generation.
This guy just makes me want to write a SciFi novel that incorporates all this crazy criminal activity of the future...
Los avances tecnológicos se dan a grandes `pasos por estos años, hoy en día se puede obtener casi todo, desde información personal, ubicación de la persona, etc. Pero toda esta tecnología usada de una manera deliberada e inapropiada conllevara a que el mismo ser humano corra con el riesgo de la destrucción; así que depende de nosotros como usar todo lo que aprendemos, o bien crecemos para mejorar o a destruirnos. A tomar conciencia de como usar las maravillas de la tecnología.
I think a large amount of people (based on the dislikes) misinterpreted the man's message that he presented at the end of the video. It's definitely a topic that can be talked about and he makes good points. His extrapolations aren't to derail the advancement of the technology he covers, but to make us aware and able to handle it.
I personally like this video, and it made me think about the things I use everyday that could if possible be used by a sinister person to cause harm to others.
I used to agree with you. And you could be right, but there are exceptions. There is a ted talk I love and that I recommend everyone to see:
Philip Zimbardo: Why ordinary people do evil ... or do good
Why is this getting so many downvotes? This is fascinating stuff.
Thank you I ran out of words in that comment. I believe that the behavior of many individuals is shaped by their environment and that crime is a product of an environment of scarcity. He might also be off when he says synthetic drugs will be cheaper than growing plants. If he is right it means either a crazy advance was made or that the start up costs for research would be huge and that eventually it would become cheaper through mass production. But it's hard to do it better than the plants. :)
True indeed.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, 1775
printing separate moving intricate parts like those that are with the cams and stuff in a engine would be difficult i imagine
but if you had a big enough printer it could print a full size car
I take my liberties with language, but in my usage of the term "fewer" in the manner I have stated makes for a much cleaner meaning each time it is used. What would be the purpose of the word if it meant the exact same thing as less?
I like it, and can't understand why so many people dislike =X
I just did a review of the comments at the TED website and that community dislikes the video more than people posting comments here on CZcams.
Two men with shotguns shooting randomly in the Washington, D.C. area stunned the city for months. It's not just high tech that can cause mayhem.
Actually printing intricate moving parts with 3d printers is very easy, they don't even need assembly, the moving parts can be printed in-situ and once removed from the printer's dust they all work.
It's really quite amazing.
Or terrifying.
It depends if your name is Marc Goodman or not.
Whoa, it's a super rare TED talk in which likes and dislikes are pretty equal. Collected!
How exactly does the ability to 3D print in metal give you the ability to also print in gunpowder?
why did copilot give me a link to this video its completelly unrelated to what i was asking him
I don't think there's anything incorrect about what he's saying, he's just reporting what criminals/terrorists have available to them, a lot. Especially since they have a ton of money to spend. He's not saying that tech is bad, he's just saying that it's hard to fight murderers once that they have plenty of tech on their hands, and realize that. If you've never lived in a place with terrorists, it's hard to understand that they are often very unromantic exploitive mafia.
15:00 Lost me when he implied that politicians are more important to protect than people like you and me.
Reveaglestar: As he says in the video, he wants us to be more aware that technology can be used by criminals as well, and that we all become involved in how to counteract that.
I'm surprised at the like/dislike ratio on this video. In contrast to many TED talks which are often optimistic about how technology can be used in the future, his main point is that this optimism must not be blind, and that in order to be realistic we need to see how these technologies can be used against us if in other hands. Is this not a legitimate concern?
The threats do exist but we can't just discuss possible threats without making credible estimates of the actual risk probabilities. Drumming up fear is easy. Getting the public to calmly assess risk and allocate resources according to that risk is much harder.
I don't think he's saying that those weapons can be printed out right now.
But the tech for increased resolution on 3D printers is getting better & better every day.
Might it be possible to compensate for pressure tolerances by decreasing the # of grains in each round or thickening necessary sections of the weapon?
Also, it is entirely plausible that new compounds & alloys could be invented to overcome the pressure tolerance limitation of current materials.
Humans are maddeningly resourceful.
He did preface it with "In this little bit of movie magic..."
Great presentation discussing technology out pacing societies ability to adapt to them sufficiently. Meaning that the corrupt and deranged have an increasing ability to do harm to more and more people.
yes
I think one of us is missing his point, then, because as I saw it he was NOT talking about technology being the force for bad. He wasn't addressing motivations of 'bad people' but I think that's because he just accepts the inevitability of the use of technology for bad.
He's not judging "why" one way or another, he's just saying what can and will be possible.
nice call
Nobody is suggesting we shouldn't have this technology. He is suggesting we use the same tools to protect ourselves, and that we, collectively as a public, need to know the dangers involved so that we prepare for them and be actively involved in our own defense.
Well put. He dichotomizes the world into black and white. I don't blame him though since he's a security expert and his job is not to attack social and psychological pressures, but rather to come up with counter-measures to use against criminals and terrorists. It's a viscous cycle in which people in his field are major contributors.
I think from freedom comes safety, always. Freedom from oppression, freedom from poverty, freedom from manipulation, freedom to be what you want to be.
Also, people all over the world have built serviceable guns from scrap parts lying around.
These are not the most accurate, but definitely do the job & are highly modifiable & rebuild-able.
where does he say that? I thought he was talking about big and global threats at that part
I don't know why this video has more unlikes than likes. Mr, Goodman is not saying that technological advancement isn't in our best interest. Rather, he's saying that with the emergence of technology has the potential to be destructive.
making crime difficult to commit, only restricts small criminals, but it gives incentive in form of challenge to the bigger and more dangerous criminals, it's better to try to change the human.
I think this talk got so many dislikes because these issues scare the shit out of people. I personally found it thought-provoking.
Elon Musk offered a similar solution to this as well, particularly with the advent of A.I.
If one bad person has it, then they'd be able to do so much damage without anyone intervening.
But if you democratize it, controversially of course, give it the whole public and it can be self-regulated for everyone to engage in helping
Sounded a good bit like Bruce Sterling's 2004 LongNow seminar “The Singularity: Your Future as a Black Hole” with fewer drugs.
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
The idea of anyone being able to "print" firearms (9:43) is actually exciting, not scary.
There are two words, among others that you can use to describe a person: good and evil. A good person devotes their life to helping others, a person who is selfless and puts those in need before themselves. And there's an evil person, who simply cause suffering. For instance; the Tailban, They want to oppress people and say that you can live the way they want to or you will die. That's a radical. That's an evil person. This isn't about philosophy, it's about doing what is morally just.
Go ahead and give me the time stamp on when he says, "you all need to be drones and snitches".
At the end of his talk he spends a few minutes making that argument that in order to protect ourselves we have to embrace open source methods.
You´re surelly not prepared to hear the answer. Keep on searching and be good to you and to the people around you. Peace!
watching this in 2020 and him saying that someone can create a pandemic...
Plus, these majik printers already exist. CNC Mills and lathes. They cost alot and are large and heavy. You also need a skilled operator to effectively use one or alot of time, patience, and money. I'd like to see one of those get past UK customs. lol
We seem to have gotten very different messages from the same talk. He openly criticizes those solutions with his airport/train-station picture, right? The overall message that I got was that he is worried that the criminals are "embracing" the technological advances while law enforcement lags behind.
The whole thing says,
There are no technological solutions to political problems.
When I hear "War on Terrorism",
I think
"We invaded their country. Now they're fighting back and it hurts our cash flow"
and I think,
"We should have followed international law before we went in".
When I hear "War on Drugs",
I think
"We lost that because we were fighting ourselves"
and I think
"We should legalise the whole thing and cut out the government monopoly of the drug markets".
I don't see how printing guns would be viable. Getting all the materials would be more suspicious than importing them from a place that poorly marks their equipment.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither" - Motherfucking Benjamin Franklin
agreed
eeeeeeeeiiiiiuuuururrrggghhhhhhhh oh man it hurts to, but ultimately yes i agree.
Everytime the camera panned across the audience, i looked for people standing and walking out. Yet I saw no-one.
Everytime he told a joke, i was amazed that everyone was actually laughing along with him.
While i was here writhing in my chair trying not to foam at the mouth in my fury, his audience was on the other hand apparently quite enjoying the talk! The in-person TED audience must have patience of a saint.
I think he made a convincing argument, but I still don't agree with the restriction of someone's freedom "for their own safety".
Personally, I like having my opinions challenged and so I don't mind seeing talks like this one, but it gives me great hope that so many people feel strongly about keeping the Internet free.
Did you happen to miss where he called it "movie magic?"
Meaning, he understands that it's fake, but it's a plausible and logical step forward in the weaponizing of that technology.
End the drug war, stop the huge amount of money going to narcos, problem will solve itself in 40-50 years
PleasantGuitar heres a simpler way - legalize everything. if you die of a heroin overdose its your own fault. all that would happen is the international smuggling, gang wars, and drug deals would come to end because people could get their weed from tescos rather than waiting an hour for a guy in a golf
No I could only make it half way through -- it's good he said that then
Fear is the greatest barrier towards human growth. It is the very reason that technology is growing so rapidly that we need to change our values and belief systems. If we continue down this road of separation through our stratified society fear and violence will continue to grow as fast as technology and we will end up killing ourselves. It is time to create abundance to meet everyone's needs and make sure everyone is treat as a true equal. Anything less will result in true disaster.
The more we change our life based on terrorist threats, the more motivation there is for terrorism overall. The purpose of terrorism is to create fear and if we are afraid of terrorist attacks, we have already lost.
The "world is gonna suck" scare tactic isnt necessary but I think the talk does deserve merit. Tech is improving and tho it will mostly be used for good, there will inevitably be the few who will use it for harm. Altho he doesn't propose an exact solution, he points out possible (and devastating) ways intelligent criminals could exploit the tech, and it is important for us to be aware of them so we can as a group come up with whatever ways to prevent that from happening to protect ourselves.
"I am afraid, and you should be too"
A receiver sure. A BCG isn't a the restricted part of a firearm, and if I had to improvise, home depot plumbing section to find a barrel and to improvise a BCG. Criminals aren't stupid, they're creative with time on their hands.
Guns haven't always been built & treated like they are today.
If you're referring to the bluing & such, that just helps the arm to stay accurate longer.
Tempering the steel in a printed gun would be a simple matter of heating it up to temperature, dunking it, then checking for warping.
You're also assuming that the guns would be used for more than a few missions.
Chances are, that they would be used a handful of times, at the most, then disposed of.