Misha Glenny: Hire the hackers!
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2011
- www.ted.com Despite multibillion-dollar investments in cybersecurity, one of its root problems has been largely ignored: who are the people who write malicious code? Underworld investigator Misha Glenny profiles several convicted coders from around the world and reaches a startling conclusion.
TEDTalks is a daily video podcast of the best talks and performances from the TED Conference, where the world's leading thinkers and doers give the talk of their lives in 18 minutes. Featured speakers have included Al Gore on climate change, Philippe Starck on design, Jill Bolte Taylor on observing her own stroke, Nicholas Negroponte on One Laptop per Child, Jane Goodall on chimpanzees, Bill Gates on malaria and mosquitoes, Pattie Maes on the "Sixth Sense" wearable tech, and "Lost" producer JJ Abrams on the allure of mystery. TED stands for Technology, Entertainment, Design, and TEDTalks cover these topics as well as science, business, development and the arts. Closed captions and translated subtitles in a variety of languages are now available on TED.com, at www.ted.com/translate. - Věda a technologie
1:04 THE CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!
04:46 "The Hacka"
LOL
One of the most interesting TED Talks to me. I'm studying computer science though, so I might be a tad biased :P We definitely need to hire the people who can help secure us the best against countries such as China. In this case, the hackers.
Dear TED,
How many years has it been? Turn the intro volume down plxo
Thank you
never thought I'd know more about a topic than a TED speaker...!
@romeoneverdies ...A guy breaks into a bank, cracks the vault and leaves a note inside saying "Improve your security or someone's going to take the money." A 2nd guy breaks into the bank, cracks the vault, leaves no trace and sells the info on how to crack the vault. And finally a 3rd guy breaks into the bank, cracks the vault and takes the money. Two out of three are criminals, and the good guy happens to be technically guilty of break and enter even though he did something good and harmless.
Who is the 2nd guy that asks a question about hackers at the end?
"...crack open the champagne? [laughter]" yup this is why i love TED, lots of their people are smart and call it like they see it
"we will be nurturing a monster - we can not tame!" this is sooo true!
Wow. Just wow.
I still have to smile, when I remember that Ali Gs Brother is a Cambridge Professor.... (Sasha & Simon Baron Cohen)
But the Talk was great.
...and it makes sense to me that they'd find their way into a far more constructive environment for rehabilitation than a prison where they will be crushed by brutality. I see in mind a prison facility especially geared toward criminals who have intellectual skills they can use from within. Doing time behind bars, but with like people where they can be productive and access the healing benefits of doing something good with their skills.
Wow what a nice talk thank u sir
I think you're missing the definition of "Jail"!
I'm not inclined to think that most such criminals should be given a great job instead of a prison sentence. They're criminals and a conscience is something you have when you're a child, long before the teen years. What is likely common among this breed is a contempt for common people, and a dismissive attitude toward causing others harm. I give a break to those guys who were nurtured by criminals since they were children. They really had no chance. However, a regular prison IS a big waste...
@romeoneverdies So, by criminal I'm referring to people who did not crack systems to do harmless good in the act. I would consider someone who just breaks into a system for the practice or fun to be guilty of a crime and liable for some response from the law. I'd expect that response to be minimal but enough to funnel their energy into something more controlled and constructive. If I break into banks just for practice, well...
I have the best idea in the world! Someone should hire the hackers to go and turn the volume down for the TED video intros.
@ElijahsSoup also, his middle name is Ray
So true.
Hacker = programmer with an attitude. They are NOT computer-security experts.
How about talking about:
Hire thieves for ...
Hire rapist for ...
Hire murderer for ...
Hire liars for ...
totally agree. The only problem I see in it, is that how would you define a real hacker with great capabilities, worth of being hired (if he or she wants, that i doubt) or forced to work for the state for a certain amount of years, from those who is just a fraudster with some basic hacking abilities, like that ATM stealer who was earning over 100k a week? Where would you put the line there? And who would protect the rights of hacker when they work for gov? It could easily become just a slavery
how would u know they hadn't coded in a disguised backdoor into security software u employ em to write.
@AlainG80 You need to understand he only had 18 minutes to talk. Do you expect anyone to fully explain years of research? He did say that hackers are not the ONLY cyber criminals.
i thought he said sacha baron cohen at 16:03 lol Ali G?
1000+ TED talks, yet there are only 985 videos uploaded...
@kaimialana Did you not watch the whole video before you complained? Listen to what Mr. Glenny says at 18:13 for an answer to your question.
@lordmetroid yeah you need to get TED talks too hot for youtube to see the other ones.
@ItsAComment Something on the Internet which tells you what's happening on the Internet is pretty redundant for those of us who spend most of the day here. I'm likely to be told about something before a story is sent to the media.
@KilluaXIII I agree but technically anon did make that intro. The guy who made it is anonymous and he doesnt need membership so unfortunately, he's one of them. Thats kinda the problem with anon, I think...
@kaimialana the idea is that they give them the opportunity to do something the government thinks is good before they actually get feelings against the government.
security companies have been hiring hackers for a long time, no?
his compassion for games led him to hacking ....aaaaaaawwwwwriiiiight ^^
You guys we're fast! : O
@yoryiboy1
Yeah, he's a bit off on Anonymous, but I did like the rest of the presentation. Overall good message.
Lmao didn't know gangsterism was a word. Overall a great video. Glenny is an intelligent man who looks at things in a different way... which I love.
lol'd at 0:52 - 1:08 .... also, never the same.
Bonjour à toi, et bon courage pour ton examen d'anglais à l'IESN ;)
What better way to upgrade your security, than by hiring hackers to find ways around your system? it makes total sense, to find weak-points in your systems.
this could potentially be a good idea, however this is shockingly similar to one way of how the roman empire fell.
the romans hired people from gaul to protect the border when it was gaul they were defending their border from. You could see how this problem unfolded.
I'm not saying that it's a bad idea or that these people deserve to be in prison. I'm saying that we should always be cautious when using the "enemy" to benefit and protect us.
I think most TED subscribers who complain after each video essentially have one theme in mind. "I want TED to talk above my head, not below it."
doesn't use their hacked information for financial gain? how do you know? they're so epic, how would anyone know?
@romeoneverdies Let's say someone breaks into your house, cracks the pwd on your computer and leaves a text window open to let you know s/he was there. What's your reaction: To feel violated and want them to be apprehended, or to hope you catch them so you can employ them to improve your security? Considering unauthorized entry isn't something a law-abiding person pursues, it's not surprising that the law takes a formal and dim view of such people, even though they have the will to do good.
@abram730 No I'd feel confused because I wouldn't really know what the "here" was referring to. Here as in the mailbox, or here as in the piece of paper, or here as in the earth and they killed themselves...it wouldn't make sense.
IS THAT GUYS NAME ACTUALLY "MAX VISION?" THATS FUCKING AWESOME!
i talked to them and they have helped me out. i know it sounds silly, they helped me out. why? i have no idea. they have bigger and better things to do, why help me? maybe it was when i said "i care more about people, than i do about money or wealth". i don't know. they are so mature, how can they be young folks?
They didn't do the original PSN hack.
The one where shit was stolen wasn't anonymous and if it was it was an offshoot not representing the whole.
I have aspergers syndrome and I'm pretty good at programming. Yet, I haven't tried to hack somebody... Maybe I should!
When HL2's source was leaked by a hacker valve offered to hire the hacker and then when he arrived for a meeting, they busted him.
I'm guessing the guy who got busted for holding up the corner liquor store should also be given a job in loss prevention and security.
@Stealer96 Many were upset by his portrayal of anonymous.
The concept of hiring hackers isn't new, the message in this talk is a good one nonetheless; giving skilled people opportunities to gain employment rather than resorting to crime has been successful in turning poachers into conservation workers elsewhere so the same principles should (and have already) work here
All I need to say is that they are hackers second most importantly humans who have possibly lost a sense of direction again not because they wanted to but because their experiences have moulded them that way...Aspergers or no aspergers...these fellow mates need to be treated first as humans....as hiring hackers can for all that you know reduce cyber crime in totality!!!
How are you going to contact and employ a hacker. 'Hi come for your first day monday. We are not the FBI.'...
To bad he equivocates hacker with cyber criminal.
Poor research!
Anon is sophisticated?
@pseudodeduction LOL I think what he was trying to say is that the USA/UK government doesn't do it as much as they shouldand that the public should stop fearing them.
@justhuman but he said in the talk, that guy ended up with so much money piled up in his apartment that he went into depression. you can pay them a large salary that they can sustain there epic lifestyle without the risk of getting caught.
In Top Secret America? You've got to be kidding. Where do I donate?
Steven Hawking. Not Hawkins.
what is a moral compass? Can it be hacked?
As a security adviser/researcher I feel this is an insult to me. :| How could someone generalizes this so deeply without looking at the whole picture?
umm.. "Anonymous emerged in 2011"? I'm sorry, it seems my English skills are failing me, because I cannot quite comprehend the meaning of those words
@LordDavid6 What do you mean 'one day' the NYSE has been hacked six times in the last three years...
@FekkenRay Wow, I fail so hard. I got back from a dance at like 1:00 so ill blame it on that. The sad part is that i'm a native English speaker.
@Stealer96
Well, first, what's wrong with low-brow comments on this talk are the same as what is wrong with asking TED audiences "The fuck is wrong with you people?"
Second, I am sure the many people whom these 'harmless hackers' defrauded do not share Misha's view. Moreover, I view his final statement of "Each of these hackers has asked 'please let us work in the legitimate sector'" smack so familiarly of a drug addict coming home and saying 'I swear I'll get straight'
@romeoneverdies
How about you enlighten me, why do you think hackers wouldn't want to make big bucks and share the limelight instead of being used and thrown away by criminals? The talk I reference spoke about a real and very successful program in Zambia, I think. The country has increased the count of at risk animals and decreased incidents of poaching. I am fairly certain it would work in the computer world as well.
I need to go meet my MOM in a restaurant ...
Called Marylin Monroe
@Iker888 150k per week, how many government or company can pay that kind of money? You do understand that these hackers have in their hand millions of credit cards, no legit business can compete with that... well may be with the exception of wall street bankers.
its good i like this guys version.
@KilluaXIII Well what is your opinion of what he is trying to do or tell us, since you claim he gave us disinformation about hackers and ANON? Why would he do that?
This is a little like the talk on hiring poachers to manage wildlife areas.
we need the hackers to turn the internet back on after gov turns it off
I'm a member of anonymous. Oh wait a second update coming in, i'm now a former member of anonymous...
@quakepapi What is there not to understand about Anonymous? Anyone can be anonymous, all they have to do is visit a chan and they instantly become anonymous. It can't possibly be any more simple. Being a "part" of anonymous is nothing more than literally BEING anonymous.
We are anonymous.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
Anonymous a group of hackers emerged in 2011?
Well you might have a speech that even Stephen Hawking can get is mind around but you don't get anonymous.
Anonymous really impresses me. Not the ones who hacked xbox- personal hacks are stupid. Hacks on governments and fox- thats damn entertaining. You would be smart to hire these people. Good luck finding them though.
once they get caught, then they want to work for you, lol
the word hacker is misplaced and miss-used hackers are good people
unfortunately hooligans and misfits are tied to the name .
a hacker is the litle kid who fixes your computer ... a criminal is the guy who steel your CC numbers .
@LordNapalm
Stephen Hawking. Not Steven.
@justhuman 150k per week of sporadic theft, or a long term job with a steady pay. Most people would take the job, without a doubt.
How I imagine all those Anonymous, LulzSec, etc.:
Kids or other immature (mentally) people gather and start doing things that they've seen on movies.
"Hey, lets start doing something illegal and look cool!".
"Oh, I want to look like that guy in that movie!".
Cut the crap off and find a normal job instead of trying to break into somewhere pretending you are the saviors and the robin hoods of the 21st century.
He didn't really need an alias :D
@yoryiboy1 remember that ted is a group that brings together mostly the richest thinkers and that does not always mean the smartest.
People still care about anonymous when they have a damned webpage to advertise their hacktivism now. A site that resembles a blog more than anything I might add.
It's anonymous' personal blog. The real hackers have gone
@celticphrog not really you don't seam to know much about hacking and hackers
Oh, look at me! I discovered the hackers! What do you mean you knew about it long time ago? No way...
@ItsAComment I'll go with that
Rule 1&2 in the comments plz
I totally disagree with this talk.
they are not terrorists, they are not guilty of anything, they are simply smart people that know the "plot". They have been arrested because they simply exposed the truth: there's no need to security, security is useless because there's nothing to be secured. The "security" concept mean: laws that limit our freedom, that's all.
And that is what this guys fight for: our freedom.
13:07. I get the feeling that the internet was the only thing he was penetrating.
@JonasAtGuitar Enlighten us and him too. Please.
@romeoneverdies No, not like that guy. I'm talking about the guys who don't crack systems to do good and fix things. If they're vigilantes working against an oppressive regime, well good for them. Consider this difference...
@KutaLines21 if these people are so fucking smart then how come they are behind bars?
I think I have THROAT CANCER !!! :( HELP!
teach me hackers goddamn
mmm i have met hackers before real ones and script kiddies, some are awesome and some are fucked up assholes. its just how people are. ex. locks in homes only keep honest people out. it really depends on the person. some people are evil regardless even if you show them the door like lunatics.
@openvedio Unfortunately, liars are already hired all the time...
@kiddhitta So it's not the money...