Colt 1855 Revolving Rifle at the Range
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I recently had a chance to take a .36 caliber Colt Model 1855 revolving rifle our to the range. It was pretty interesting to shoot, but unfortunately the video ended up rather sub-par and I didn't realize it until after we had left the range and I didn't have a chance to redo it. Rather than toss the footage out, I figured I would just release it as a bonus Sunday video. So with apologies for the framing, audio, and lack of loading sequence video, here you go...
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The hat, the background bringing back 80/90s public TV
Yea and the glasses 😂
Welcome to forgotten weapons. Its quality wholesome content.
Not to mention the video quality of that slomo footage
I think they need to invest in a new camera
I was thinking that same thing!
If you watch it in 360p it really does!
six warning shots, one deadly throw
Or a few skull splitting swings.
When you say "Throw", do you mean to like, literally throw the gun at someone?
Yes
Australian bushranger Ned Kelly and his gang had a Colt Revolving Rifle in their arsenal until their last stand.
His favourite was a Snider Carbine.
Ok gonna be that guy but wasn't he the one that wore armor and a armored helmet or am I thinking of someone else?
@@andrewschulze3865 that's him. The armor was simple but very effective.
So many great folk songs and movies about him, he was a very interesting character!
@@andrewschulze3865 Yep. His gang wore it during their last stand. Crude but strong enough to repel a Martini-Henry round.
When you need to film for FW at noon, and a 1970's police training video at 2
Hope he's got the orange fake blood ready to go, cause he's definitely got the deadpan humor
I didn't notice until you said it, but it does look like that.
I always loved revolving rifles even despite their issues and better options. They were just so damn cool!
Me too, I always think about the possibility of upscaling the nagant or similar system for .357 or anything really, to try and solve the gas problem with revolving rifles Maybe some day I try to design one, maybe.
Ned Kelly & Jesse James Vs Billy the Kid & Buffalo Bill, who wins? They should make a gunslingers game to see who was the best ever gunslingers and partnerships, with trials and challenges/ missions.
I tried the revolver 45/410 Taurus Circuit Judge carbine. With 45 Colt or 410 ammo, it seemed like a very weak gun. My single barrel 410 seems strong. Maybe not the reason, but it seemed as if the cylinder gap was causing a huge loss of velocity...... Got rid of that thing.
Great firearm, it just seemed so weak.
@@flashgordon6670, did you actually copy and paste your comment in every thread? FOH
@@notahotshot No not every thread. So who do you think would win this fantasy gunfight?
"For gun jesus among them had a HUGE IRON on his hip....HUGE IRON on his hiiiip"
That's what she said
Ian is Courier 6 confirmed!
Biggerer Iron
The iron was so big, you could call it a rifle lmao
"Huge Iron on his hip......."
I've been shooting blackpowder guns since I was a kid, probably when I was about 7 (I'm 51 now) and I've never had a chain fire. I looked up over the decades what information I could find and from what I understand back during the Civil War proper sized bullets may have been hard to find and they were using just about anything that would fit into the chamber. Albeit lead bullets from other caliber firearms.
It wasn't until I did a search on YT that there was footage of a chain fire. In this day and age I'm not sure how this could actually occur but it did show in the video a chain fire. Out of all the C&B revolvers I have, I'm not sure how a chain fire could happen. The bullet gets a lead ring shaved off every time I seat it. The caps fit tight and as I've said, I've never had a chain fire. I'm wondering if back in the 1850s-60s if maybe the tolerances weren't that good or something. Certainly during the Civil War, that could have been a good possibility.
poorer quality/coarser powder may increase the chance as more of it would still be burning outside the muzzle, and if shooting into the wind it's possible that may make a chainfire posible if unlikely
a number of factors contribute, tolerances being off, outright failure of a chamber, sparks jumping when the wrong cap is used, improper loading...
It's possible to be very safe with them, but as you guess yourself, take a few bits from the grab bag of failures and suddenly 'nearly impossible' isn't so impossible any more.
Caps falling off under recoil is probably a stronger contender. Flash rebounding off the hammer/frame and getting in through the open channel.
It's nice to hear from someone else who is from 1969.
I have been shooting cap and ball revolvers for a similar period of time. We did have chain fires at first. I think it could have been poorly fitting caps, but it could have been the round balls, too. Adding a crisco seal and later a cardboard disc under the balls helped. After a couple years it just doesn’t happen anymore. Probably just getting the size and loading process down.
Now I think I know what Marty Robbins meant in "Big Iron".
A knowledgeable music connoisseur, I see.
Pretty sure it was a Colt Patterson or Dragoon. For when you need to put down a horse at 50yds.
It was a custom job.
The late Lee Van Cleef approves.
Yup. He does.
Literally thought the same thing when he shouldered it.
and wild wild west artemes
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Rossi makes a modern revolver rifle that is wicked cool, and has fins that redirect any escaping gas from the cylinders up and away from the shooter. Circuit Judge, .410/.45 colt
He could discuss grass growing and I'd watch.
He does, he calls them mausers though
No one's lost an eye yet.
"Yet"
Or a finger.
"YET"
Or a hand.
"Yet"
“What if it chain fires?
...
Well you’ll get amazing footage”.
I love slightly nervous slightly sarcastic always witty Ian.
Looks like a Pope palm rest would be a nice accessory to combine with.
Hi, Ian. That little rifle is pretty nice. Proper caps, a pair of shooting gloves, and away we go. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy! Happy Holidays!
Remember folks, if it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs!
Thanks! It was fun to see one of these being fired. All that powder smoke spurting in multiple directions was quite the sight!
Louis L'Amour featured revolving rifles in some of his Westerns, so it was nice to see one in action.
Posting on a sunday throws off my already fragile grasp on time
He posts vids every day
@@Len1977gt Nah, he's posts mon-sat most weeks. Though he has been doing more Sunday videos recently.
@@Len1977gt He made a video specifically saying he'd be going 6 days a week. Obviously, Ian can do whatever he wants, it's his channel. Just considering travel travel restrictions I'm surprised.
@@thetalesofdaneandco Ned Kelly & Jesse James Vs Billy the Kid & Buffalo Bill, who wins? They should make a gunslingers game to see who was the best ever gunslingers and partnerships, with trials and challenges/ missions.
@@flashgordon6670 , did you actually copy and paste your comment in every thread? FOH
I’ve literally been hoping to see this my entire life. Between you, hickock45, demo ranch, Papa kalash, and Garland Thumb, I’m just loving CZcams rn
I always enjoy Forgotten Weapons videos. I find that even the "sub par" ones worth my time. Nice find-- I've always been fascinated by revolving rifles, and I do wonder how many people had left hand scarring from flash burn blow-by, in worn versions of these. Still a cool idea, for back before lever actions were perfected.
Thank you for posting this! I have never seen one of these fired live and it was a real treat.
The musket length version of the Colt-Root revolving rifle was carried by the US Sharpshooter regiments in the Civil War while they waited for their custom Sharps rifles to be produced. They were pretty universally detested by the regiments, especially after a firing accident crippled one sharpshooter while he was firing his rifle. A friend of mine has been doing research in the last couple of years using the pension and disability claims, and believes he has it narrowed down to a sharpshooter from one of the Michigan companies who lost the use of most fingers on his left hand.
What a Beautiful shooting spot Ian, you lucky guy!
'Bull' in "El Dorado" used one of those, as I recall. Cool! Thanks Ian
Thanks Ian I've been wanting to see one of these for ages.
Those old revolving rifles sure look elegant somehow
AD 1855
Somwere in wild West:
"Do you want a revolver or a rifle?"
"Yep"
*Adam Steele enters the chat*
He was a character in the 70's/ 80's series of books by George C. Gillman who used a revolving rifle BTW
That's a pretty cool one to see on the channel 👍 I've always liked revolving carbines
Thank you Ian. I have always hoped to see a video on revolving Colt Carbines/Rifles. If you can ever get hold of a 44 or 56 cal., please shoot it on video.
Totally awesome to see this gun doing what it was made for!
I love how this confirms the statement in Hornblower (a great TV series that depicts the 18th Century) "They couldn't hit a barn-door from this distance"
Cool rifle... thanks man
Wow never knew this gun existed great video
Anyone else occasionally let ads play through intentionally just so Ian gets the ad revenue?
I've so wanted to see this rifle again
We all imagined holding one of these.
Thanks for the vid sir.
All fun n games till ian uses the big revolver
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*BIG IRON ON HIS HIP*
@@michaelbeagle1222 when Ian missed the target with the big iron on his arms
Beautiful!!!
One of my favorite movie firearms was used by Arthur Hunnicutt in El Dorado. It was a colt revolving rifle with a bored through cylinder. I can't recall if it was . 56 or . 44 caliber, but the cool factor was off the scale when I was a kid. It's a pity that they never really did cartridge conversions for the Colt Root.
Thanks Ian i love the vids
Could you please do more videos about revolving rifles?It's quite hard to see these now
I'd love a video on the russian MTs255 revolving shotgun and its way of mitigating the powder coming out of the cylinder gap so it's safe to shoot like a normal rifle instead of having to keep your hands behind the cylinder like in this one
Revolving rifles are so rare. The Taurus Judge carbine might be the only modern one on the market.
Great to see this. Never thought I'd see one fired.
Ah yes the hand exploder reminds me old times shooting it.
Another video from Mike's collection!!?? With the cylinder being so long as you stated, I'm left wondering what the original powder charge might have been. I have always wanted one, ever since the movie A Man Called Horse, but $$$. I do have a repro Remmington but no one has done a Colt's yet. Thanks Ian, that's the only shooting footage I have ever seen for one of these and thank Mike for allowing it!!!!!
That’s why cavalrymen wore long gloves to keep the sparks from burning their arm and keeping embers out of their sleeves allowing them to hold onto it and aim and shoot with both hands without having to worry about getting burnt or missing mounted shots because they can’t put their bare arm in front of that cylinder without it throwing sparks down their sleeves or burning their hands with the undoubtably hot barrel in combat.
One nice looking revolver there.
Rossi makes a revolving 22LR rifle that I was viewing at Fleet Farm.
Rich Peterson
Uberti brought out a 6 shot revolving cylinder rifle back in about 1977 with 2 cylinders, 1 in .22 LR and the other in .22 Mag.
They also brought one out in .357 Mag about the same time.
The best revolving rifle is the Russian MTs 502. Then their KP 22 and MOV 35 nagant style revolving carbine.
Alpha project also nice if you like czech guns. But you need to use specific ammo or you will blow off your hand.
I had a chain fire on a cva 36 cal, navy if i recall. I was a kid at the time maybe 15 or so. Grains of powder stuck to the oil i liberally applied to the pistol. All six went off, broke the little barrel retaining pin/tab and my underpants. But hell it taught me a lesson.
You're a very brave man to try firing this weapon.
I always liked revolving rifles. I bought a Rossi Circuit Judge this past spring and it's a fun little rifle.
It has an old West feel to it even though it's a big DA revolver
This 1988 aesthetic should be used for more shooting videos.
Neat! thinking of a caterpillar feed system thanks for sharing Ian take care!
Cygnar Long Gunners FTW LOL. Ty for the upload!
Sunday? Must be Christmas.
he posted elsewhere. This is footage he didn't feel was good enough for a regular episode, but felt people might want to see.
Bipod sticks would work well with this.
Years ago, my friends and I shot and hunted with black powder rifles and one friend had some handy bipod sticks that looked like thick wooden drumsticks nailed together at an offset point and this point was wrapped with yarn to hold it together. You spread the sticks apart and one end holds the rifle and the long legs spread out to work as bipods. I had a Remington 1858 .44 cap-and-ball revolver with a very long barrel and a rifle buttstock that worked great with bipod sticks to steady it.
Looks like the rifle Burt Lancastor used in the “Scalphunters” movie.
Amazing piece of history I love early Colt revolvers so much
What size ball did you run it it ian? Lubed wad? Type of powder?
Such a sweet rifle
I love your videos, but your new mic kinda takes away some of the magic for me. Its really interesting being able to hear what the guns sound like when shot/reloaded ect, and with your new mic it seemingly cancels out most of the sound. Amazing channel. Thanks for the time you take making these videos!
Got a toy rifle from Santa back in 1972 when I was 12yo and I can remember Colt 1855 was written on the box. But it had a roan stock and was silver plated. It had a revolving chamber on it and I had to rip individual caps off the roll and squeeze them into each chamber. It's only resemblance to the real Colt was it also was a hazard to your face and eyes when firing it.
The perfect example of a brilliant idea that can go horribly wrong.
I did some research on this gun some years back for a story I was writing set in the late 1850s. One of the things I learned was that many people who had and used the revolving rifle wore gloves and most people using revolvers then also put a little wax in the chamber after they loaded it to seal the area between the ball and the chamber wall to eliminate the chain fire from happening. It would be nice to know how effective such reports were.
I do like the range videos - especially when they are post the regular history episodes -
I was Rooting for this one to do well.
I got a metal and plastic toy Colt 1855 for my 9th birthday, it took those red plastic 8 shot Caps, I remember my dad and uncles examining it and trying to figure out was it based on a real rifle or was it a toy manufacturer who felt a toy gun isn't a Wild West Gun unless it has a revolving cylinder.
Great Video 👍
The big percussion cap nipples are what sold me on the rifle.
Epic History. Would be amazing to shoot.
Over here we stop chain fire by put lard over the end of each chamber. This adds some lubrication and seals the chambers preventing chain fire. My friend who’s 44 stainless Ruger copy I used to shoot had a small tin of lard which he filled from a block bought from the supermarket. Try it, it’s much better than getting a chain fire!!
Exploding cylinders, powder flash, and chain fires... Just as the late R. Lee Ermey once said in an episode of "Lock n Load", "No more left hand." Or in Ian's case, "No more right hand."
Now that is a big iron for his hips
Black powder firearms are fun. I used to have a Pietta Black powder revolver that was fun to shoot/plink with. I never had an issue with chain firing when I used chamber grease, and I pinched the primers so they wouldn't "walk back" with the recoil....
Always wondered why revolver rifles weren't much of a thing. Thank you.
Loved it ever since seeing it in 3:10 to Yuma .
Legend has it, this was the big irons older cousin that did steroids and got super buff. Its name? The BIGGEST iron
Mr. Ian, that fit is daddy af. IDK why but I'm getting mad 80's gun video vibes from this.
The gas jets coming out of the cylinder gap in the slow-motion footage really drive home how much you don't want to hold that like a regular rifle. Ouch.
that is the most uncomfortable grip i've ever seen, good for you ,ian
If memory serves me correct this pattern was one of the first rifles adopted by Berdan's sharpshooters in the same .36 caliber. Could be an interesting segment to cover the various different weapons that group used throughout the war. Might be hard to get all of them together but even a few and the history could be interesting.
The original braced pistol.
How many man-made devices can you say "this is over a century old and it works just fine!"
Not too many. My P08 Luger is 110 years old and my 1911 is 96 years old. Both function beautifully.
How many man made devices over 100 years old would be the first choice for the job?
@@21stcenturyfossil7 The B-52 Bomber is getting awfully close...
@Monotech2.0 machine tools.
@@khmerbleu So is the Ma Deuce.
Would there not have been a way to add some king of handle to this revolving rifle? Of course, that would have look really strange, however would have fixed the somewhat awkward grip problem. Have a nice day and take care.
In 1855 people would possibly have killed you for that idea lol
@@bl4cksp1d3r Go fantasize about killing people elsewhere.
@@deadhorse1391 i dont think so that usually binds the cylinder up on other colt models
Collier revolving Carbine. There's one on the channel. But they are Forgotten Weapon.
It wouldn't be hard to put a palm rest on the foreend like those on schutzen rifles.
The 5 dislikes are the steel plates that got shot
I am curious what the standard charge was. I wonder if the depth of the cylinder was intended as a way to reduce the likelihood of chain fire rather that for accommodating mor powder.
I have been shooting black powder for awhile now, I am 59 and started when I was 7. My father was an armorer with the Marine Corps for 20 years and has made his own Hawken rifles by hand. He has also owned several cap and ball revolvers so he knows what a chain fire is. I personally have never seen one because my father showed us that a proper sized ball with a greased patch will seal the cylinder chamber very effectively. However he has also added grease to fill the cylinder just in case. The grease has to be thick and not effected by heat so it will not run out on hot days. The grease further prevents sparks from starting a chain fire.
Ian looks like that cool uncle you only see at Christmas
One of the classic civil war photos of a soldier with the revolving rifle shows his left hand bandaged or wrapped with cloth.
I can't help but wonder if, in addition to a self contained cartridge like the ones used in the Smith & Wesson Model 320, a cylinder guard like, the Taurus Circuit Judge's, might have made this a more practical military weapon. I recall you mentioning in a previous video that Colt himself determined that a cylinder guard would increase the probability of a chain fire on the cap and ball versions of the revolving rifle. I also have to wonder if this would have been a more practical (and safer to shoot) military weapon if the cylinder had been made to seal on the barrel cone in the same way the Nangat Revolver M1895 does.
After loading, use bear grease to pack and seal the cylinder.
Gatlin actually made a few of the revolver rifles. It is hard to find much information on them though.
Solution to chain fire risk in antique guns: Only load 1 bullet in the chamber. Or leave empty chamber spaces between loaded chambers.
This is cool!
Good luck finding another mechanical thing from 170 years ago that still works.
Quite impressive this.
I'll bet that with conical bullets and 40 grains of powder the 600-yard sights would mean something.
I would love a modern reproduction but with one change. I would want the same ability as the 1895 Nagant revolver to seal the cylinder gap.
Collier revolving rifle.
Now I want to see a revolving Nagant rifle with the forward forcing revolver gas seal to eliminate all the negative problems with this type.
The first time I’ve seen such a gun was on the Howard Hawks movie El Dorado where one the supporting characters wield one against the outlaws
I know they’re not exactly practical but I’ve always wanted a revolving rifle. They’re just so cool
The civil war regiment my group re-enacts had a single Colt 1855 on one of their ordnance reports, so about 15 years ago one of the guys bought the Italian repro and brought it to an event. Cool rifle, but awkward to shoot and reloading blanks in the field was even more so. Handy size, neat idea; execution, not so much.
I use a thirty grain starter load is every flintlock or percussion pistol that I build. Of course this is after proofing. Anyway, except for my smaller pocket pistols I don't really feel much recoil. After thirty grains I bump it up till I can hit the bull at twenty five yards, sometimes with no sights because they aren't historically correct on a lot of different pistols, or you would only have a front sight. Rifled barreled pistols almost always had front and hind sights.
i would love a modern version of this.