PRO GT DRIVER tests RAIN in iRacing: is it REALISTIC?

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  • čas přidán 2. 03. 2024
  • In today's video, I give you my first impressions of the new iRacing rain update!
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  • @aniceguyinablackhat
    @aniceguyinablackhat Před 2 měsíci +304

    I really hope the visibility through the spray behind the cars isn't affected by the graphics settings for the sake of everyone having a consistent experience.

    • @robcampbell6099
      @robcampbell6099 Před 2 měsíci +9

      good point

    • @braydenjones603
      @braydenjones603 Před 2 měsíci +15

      I imagine the delays have been at least due to them working on optimization, for the reasons you mention. And I play in VR on a Quest 2, so I'm definitely concerned.

    • @splashotb
      @splashotb Před 2 měsíci

      what he's saying has nothing to do with optimization, he's trying to say that he hopes that there isn't a way to reduce the amount of spray you see compared to what others see as that wouldn't keep it consistent for everyone and would give an advantage@@braydenjones603

    • @danielgutzz
      @danielgutzz Před 2 měsíci +12

      This is a great point. Gotta play on low settings to have not spray lol. Hopefully is not the case.

    • @regibson23
      @regibson23 Před 2 měsíci +9

      Yeah that's how it was in rf2. You could turn rain graphics down and not have any spray and didn't even have to use the windshield wipers. It was a total cheat.

  • @Wolfe_No.13
    @Wolfe_No.13 Před 2 měsíci +33

    People will complain a lot about the concern for visibility but its the most accurate thing along with the puddling, and the way the car will slip but is super recoverable. My first practice and quali in my career was in the wet at Road Atlanta, and was the most terrifying thing to do. iRacing is giving that same impression of running in the wet here, and I love every bit of it.

    • @danielmorad
      @danielmorad  Před 2 měsíci +4

      It’s going to make you feel right at home then. It’s very good!!

  • @himeros8826
    @himeros8826 Před 2 měsíci +110

    it will pretty awesome to get videos about rain driving from your experience! Much of us, simracers, have no idea how the car behaves in reality and now the iRacing is almost doing a 1:1 experience for this conditions, your tip and advices would be mega! Thanks for the video Dan, hope to see you soon on the virtual or real track:)

    • @TheVRRacer
      @TheVRRacer Před 2 měsíci +8

      My thoughts exactly. If Daniel gives it the thumbs up...thats all I need to know...plus all the tips I'm hoping he'll give us :)

    • @maxcalder1010
      @maxcalder1010 Před 2 měsíci

      💯💯 it’s tough too because you can’t practice in the wet whenever you want to. I was lucky and got to do two 24 kart races where it rained and learned a lot that way.

    • @quantametric
      @quantametric Před 2 měsíci +3

      I'm not really a subscriber to the idea that if one person who does it professionally likes it then it must be good. I'm not saying Daniel is, but all sorts of professionals can be deeply deluded, and this approach to thinking really deletes peoples capacity to assess something critically with keen observation and situational awareness. This kind of thinking is how mass delusion happens, as is the nature of mob mentality.

    • @tommytenzo
      @tommytenzo Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@quantametricThen how do you suggest for us to gather this information with no access to the car in real life? As in this case Daniel drives this car for a living.

    • @quantametric
      @quantametric Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@tommytenzoSolutions to reality aren't that easy... For me I compare it to the physics of my personal car because I'm trying to create a practice template for something that is road relatable. If you want strictly high end race car insight you could rent one out for yourself, but it's not cheap. I just think only you can know as an individual what's most accurate to real world.
      The reality is that it's extremely expensive to rent these cars and so I'm not going to blindly trust someone who might potentially only have their job because they happen to have a lot of money... Daniel seems ok but the reality is that usually a huge lack of experience and insight comes with being trust fund level of rich from an early age. Just because someone does something for a job does not mean they are any good at it.

  • @cmb350
    @cmb350 Před 2 měsíci +20

    I just drove Sebring in the rain two weeks ago. I compared some of my in car footage. You are right - the puddling is very accurate to real life.

  • @dadhats
    @dadhats Před 2 měsíci +7

    so excited to use this as a training tool for real life! I went to watkins glen for the first time and it was raining on and off all day, terrifying for having very little track experience in the wet with all those walls!

  • @ThatSkaterGuyy
    @ThatSkaterGuyy Před 2 měsíci +3

    Couldn’t wait to hear from you about the rain! Glad they nailed it and can’t wait to learn the wet line and take it to my real life track days. Hope you release the wet driving guide soon so we can get a leg up on everyone else during week 13!

  • @ASRA177
    @ASRA177 Před 2 měsíci +2

    awesome video Dan!! watching your lines is gonna help a lot right off the bat!

  • @topsplitgg
    @topsplitgg Před 2 měsíci +2

    Always love to hear your perspective Daniel! Hyped for rain on Tuesday!

  • @overthetopoperationsracing3199
    @overthetopoperationsracing3199 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thanks for the overview! It’s going to be interesting driving in the rain, but with that introduction I’m looking forward to the new
    iRacing Tempest addition and already feeling more confident. Additional driving in the rain would be great!
    Thanks!

  • @ImmortanG
    @ImmortanG Před 2 měsíci +2

    Always love your real world takes on the sim. Can't wait to try out the rain in a few days myself!

  • @Schwing27
    @Schwing27 Před 2 měsíci +18

    I’m soooooo excited for this. Racing in the rain is going to be a blast in VR.

    • @scooterb6082
      @scooterb6082 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Yea I am exclusively VR and I am a bit worried about being able to run it!

    • @Schwing27
      @Schwing27 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@scooterb6082 I think it will run fine. I trust the devs at IRacing that they optimized it well. :)

    • @billyfitzgerald834
      @billyfitzgerald834 Před 2 měsíci

      Ive never tried VR but i feel like it would be terrifying in the rain lol

  • @MrThedestroy3r
    @MrThedestroy3r Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thank you Dan! If they nailed the rain and wet tyre behaviour is an amazing new. Looking forward to experience this!

  • @MrKenguru007
    @MrKenguru007 Před 2 měsíci +48

    would be amazing if you could make a series/video with some tips and tricks on what to do and what not to do in the rain. great video man, keep up the good work

    • @chuckutz1969
      @chuckutz1969 Před 2 měsíci

      Gave us a little for the first wet endurance race there on Sebring. So cool

    • @DuquesneXavier
      @DuquesneXavier Před 2 měsíci

      Don’t slam on the brake and the throttle, break smooth and early, turn the car and go smooth back on throttle.

    • @thijsazerty692
      @thijsazerty692 Před 2 měsíci

      Don't: go off track
      Do: stay on track
      You're welcome

  • @SimracingJerry
    @SimracingJerry Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the video Daniel! Can't wait to try it myself.

  • @sylvanovitch1969
    @sylvanovitch1969 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Thank you Daniel for your impressions.

  • @Modsat
    @Modsat Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great vid and great perspective. Would love to see some rain related content. I think we are a lot of people that are going to need it and be looking for it :)

  • @Formaldehydex
    @Formaldehydex Před 2 měsíci +28

    You are the man. Grats on another Daytona 24 win.

  • @brianwhitley
    @brianwhitley Před 2 měsíci +1

    hosted here I come, Its great to hear this from you rather than others that do have a clue thanks !!😉

  • @Texus8
    @Texus8 Před 2 měsíci

    My only point of reference for wet weather racing is having competed in kart races in the rain when I was younger, but I couldn't believe how realistic this was. The aquaplaning, how it understeers and oversteers, the curbs, puddles, and especially spray, all of it just immediately felt familiar and brought me back to my karting days :D I've played so many sims' wet weather modes and nothing has ever come close to recreating that real life experience until now. Hats off to the iRacing team, it's honestly a remarkable feat of engineering.

  • @potatoglizzy3212
    @potatoglizzy3212 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Well worth the wait by the looks of things, looks really good!!

  • @sandropelli3050
    @sandropelli3050 Před 2 měsíci +11

    Thank you😊 ... I'm very excited😂

  • @chuckutz1969
    @chuckutz1969 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Awesome video, much appreciated the breakdown and prospective.

    • @danielmorad
      @danielmorad  Před 2 měsíci +1

      No problem. It’s my pleasure.

  • @SimRacingNation-SRN
    @SimRacingNation-SRN Před 2 měsíci +1

    This is what we want to hear! Thanks for the detailed insight.

  • @doc.NasserReda
    @doc.NasserReda Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great vídeo... Thanks Daniel!

  • @RobGemmell82
    @RobGemmell82 Před 2 měsíci +1

    How to drive in the rain series would be great. Not just the basics, but knowing how multiclass racing shapes up in the rain would be a big one for me.

  • @dhsRacing0620
    @dhsRacing0620 Před 2 měsíci

    Im so excited to try this! When i tried the rain in Automobilista 2 i was blown away how good it felt. If you hit a puddle the car hydroplaned, but really bad. Its interesting to hear you say that while the car hydroplanes, it's catchable, so i can't wait to compare! Thanks for this well done video! 9:09

  • @jimwardlow7830
    @jimwardlow7830 Před 2 měsíci

    Very nice demo thanks Daniel

  • @vt6020
    @vt6020 Před 2 měsíci +13

    A series dedicated to learning how to race in the rain would be awesome!

    • @derekbrunette222
      @derekbrunette222 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Learn about the wet line and things you can do in order to find the limit without taking too many risks. Since the rain in iracing is modeled very dynamically, you'll have to adjust to the track on a lap-by-lap (or even sector by sector in tracks like the nurb). The rest will come down to practice in shitty weather

    • @twentytwo278
      @twentytwo278 Před 2 měsíci

      Rain-master series 👌

  • @lamesheepracing
    @lamesheepracing Před 2 měsíci

    Love it. Just tried it with the LMP2 at Spa and it's awesome. It really feels that we're driving in the rain. I think the DD drivers will have an insane advantage now.

  • @RoadRashHD
    @RoadRashHD Před 2 měsíci +2

    I cannot wait for it on Tuesday, and I am going from a gear driven wheel base to a DD tomorrow, so just in time for rain. Also I think you should start dual streaming to CZcams, I don't do twitch for live streams and would love to see some live streaming on CZcams

  • @vikinglordracing7570
    @vikinglordracing7570 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video Dan, I love your Iracing videos where you drive your sim. Is the rain bad for low end PC performance? Is the ran coming during week 13? Thanks for the awesome video!

  • @C.I...
    @C.I... Před 2 měsíci

    I love that I can still see some bones of Grand Prix Legends in this, like the cockpit camera movement. They got that prefect in 1998.

  • @dirtyjerz32
    @dirtyjerz32 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the video. Can’t wait for this. Off subject, noticed you moved to the passive throttle and move the active pedal to the clutch. Can I ask why?

  • @meawayfromhome
    @meawayfromhome Před 2 měsíci

    Hi Daniel, very informative, thank you looks like fun indeed.

  • @srt5490
    @srt5490 Před 2 měsíci

    I trust your review, especially since you're a legit racer. I took a spin on a wet track myself, and even though I'm no pro, it felt surprisingly authentic. It's all about that natural feel. Having unpredictable weather in every hourly session would add a whole new level of excitement.

  • @AlessandroTorchio
    @AlessandroTorchio Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you Dan, I am even more anxious to try it! What about your motion system with rain? How did it work?

  • @rpcorp
    @rpcorp Před 2 měsíci

    Definitely a racing in the rain 🌧️ series 👍🏼👍🏼🏁 Congratulations again 2X Champ‼️🏆🏆🏁

  • @MrEricLieber
    @MrEricLieber Před 2 měsíci

    Awesome! Looking forward to trying it out.

  • @ryomaprime3130
    @ryomaprime3130 Před 2 měsíci +2

    The only thing they could be better is that they should turned the rain light more lighter, include the tail light in the spray, it’s more of a Visual Stuff, but the rain physics……..god it looks absolute awesome, I’ve been waiting this level of rain simulation for 5 years😂, well done iRacing❤

  • @duanemari11
    @duanemari11 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to this. I run 3-5 track weekends a year (HPDE) and some rain really effects my limited track time. If this gives me some realistic training and adds to my Iracing fun I'm gonna love it! Thanks for the awesome content.

  • @CaptainCrunch99
    @CaptainCrunch99 Před 2 měsíci

    Excellent analysis! Kind of scary too

  • @guillaumepotvin3274
    @guillaumepotvin3274 Před 2 měsíci

    Can't wait to try it!!

  • @jonb5974
    @jonb5974 Před 2 měsíci

    I'm most excited about how this is going to impact strategy in long races - adds a whole new dimension.

  • @glenwatkins732
    @glenwatkins732 Před 2 měsíci

    Great Vid Morad! I Can't wait to drive it. Yeah, make a rain series, I think that would do really well! :)

    • @danielmorad
      @danielmorad  Před 2 měsíci +2

      I’ll definitely get on it! I’ll crank out the content when I’m home :)

    • @glenwatkins732
      @glenwatkins732 Před 2 měsíci

      @danielmorad sounds good, man!

  • @powerst33r
    @powerst33r Před 2 měsíci

    Yes we would really like to know more about the rain and how to use the tyres (even in the dry). Please do a series on these

  • @mathewmcb86
    @mathewmcb86 Před 2 měsíci

    great overview! I love the overhead camera angle I see what camera you are using thanks for sharing! what FPS do you record in?

  • @RACERCAMPOS
    @RACERCAMPOS Před 2 měsíci

    Oh yeahhhhh DM can't wait for your learning rain video bro. I need some new Winner Loser gloves too. When does coming back?

  • @ElSendagaming
    @ElSendagaming Před 2 měsíci

    Cant wait for this!

  • @Shaun______
    @Shaun______ Před 2 měsíci

    My first formula vee race was in the rain at Mosport. Can’t wait to try it in sim

  • @Volkain10
    @Volkain10 Před 2 měsíci

    Man I am so incredibly hyped

  • @riderofthemark6661
    @riderofthemark6661 Před 2 měsíci +1

    This looks awesome, can't wait to try it!

  • @nbruno1108
    @nbruno1108 Před 2 měsíci

    The rain itself is cool, but I am most excited about going from wet to dry or dry to wet in the longer races. Making the call to go to wet tires or dry tires is going to be so fun.

  • @pierrepaniagua
    @pierrepaniagua Před 2 měsíci +1

    Really great video! Will you be able to cover the brake ducts in the setup? Was there a PC performance hit at all in terms of frame rate? Has iRacing said they optimized the game with this build? I only ask cause I'm an old GPU (980 gtx) lol..

  • @Spaccalarana
    @Spaccalarana Před 2 měsíci

    iRaining has come, finally. Thank you Dan 🤩

  • @99MrJ99
    @99MrJ99 Před 2 měsíci

    I finally gave iracing a try because it was the only game I could play at the sim center that I could control the graphical settings on the individual sim for vr. Its mostly setup for displays on AC. I was surprised that the car/road feel was actually really good especially with dbox in iracing. I'll have to try the rain weather later sometime.

  • @misterdog7
    @misterdog7 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Nice to see! Other devs will have to up their wet game too now because of this, as most of them just take the 'dry line but with less grip overall' approach.

  • @patricemosimann541
    @patricemosimann541 Před 2 měsíci

    Daniel best!
    Thanks for all💪💪🙏🙏👍👍👍👍

  • @dgibbs5069
    @dgibbs5069 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Hey Daniel, great perspective here. Have you tried Ams2 since the more recent 1.5.5 updates where they claim to have a similar weather system? It seems to also force you to drive the wet line and avoid rubber/puddles to go fastest. If so, is this significantly better than that? I'd be curious of your thoughts on AMS2's updated rain physics if you haven't given it a try. Thanks!

  • @slipstreamautosport
    @slipstreamautosport Před 2 měsíci

    Great review

  • @d3LuC4
    @d3LuC4 Před 2 měsíci

    Danke für das Video ❤ … ich liebe diesen Regen 🌧

  • @frankd.b.9233
    @frankd.b.9233 Před 2 měsíci

    I haven't tested it yet, I'm waiting for my 4 x 120 radiator, it looks good on this race track, hope on other race tracks too

  • @fza6159
    @fza6159 Před 2 měsíci +1

    the pile-ups are gonna be epic

  • @f1_onboardsAC
    @f1_onboardsAC Před 2 měsíci

    Awesome. This is a game changer.

  • @gdoumit
    @gdoumit Před 2 měsíci +2

    This all looks great. I can't wait to see what things like degradation looks like during the transition period from wet to dry. Will driving off-line cool off the tires and extend life during that period if necessary? Lot's of things to dig into. Exciting stuff.

    • @danielmorad
      @danielmorad  Před 2 měsíci +2

      I tried it as much as I could before I had to head to the airport and it was actually quite cool during the transition phase into dry. Didn’t drive long enough to burn the tires off but it’s squirming all over the place for sure

    • @gdoumit
      @gdoumit Před 2 měsíci

      @@danielmorad Awesome stuff. Really looking forward to getting into it this week. Thanks for putting out the information that you do in these videos. I really enjoy your incite as a pro driver who drives sim like us mere morals.

  • @sausagedodgersracing
    @sausagedodgersracing Před 2 měsíci

    Roll on Tuesday, will there be softer setups for the wet or just wet tyres?

  • @danielundercow
    @danielundercow Před 2 měsíci +8

    You know what I like about iRacing? They always deliver. Yes it is way pricier than the others, but they always deliver.

  • @RonnieCarriloROCTV
    @RonnieCarriloROCTV Před 2 měsíci

    Subscribing in anticipation of a series teaching us how to race in the rain😂

  • @Arguyle20
    @Arguyle20 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thats why i love iRacing

  • @TheVRRacer
    @TheVRRacer Před 2 měsíci +17

    I cannot wait to try this in VR! The realism of the spray is gonna look so good! Great video and as always Daniel.

    • @degeautdfanfirst
      @degeautdfanfirst Před 2 měsíci +1

      Vr way to go probably not for real drivers but for sim fans hell yes GT7 Vr not bad for a console game.

    • @ACFUN34
      @ACFUN34 Před 2 měsíci

      VR is king !@@degeautdfanfirst

    • @itsthebarman
      @itsthebarman Před 2 měsíci +1

      same VR user here . The immersion is going to be insane.

    • @billm.3583
      @billm.3583 Před 2 měsíci +1

      In VR, I'm worried about fps dropping.

    • @itsthebarman
      @itsthebarman Před 2 měsíci

      @@billm.3583 whats your setup atm

  • @strixes1312
    @strixes1312 Před 2 měsíci +1

    mr. Morad has grown on me, big time

  • @Prawjjek
    @Prawjjek Před 2 měsíci +1

    I’m curious how the rain will be implemented to races. Like are certain races just going to be scheduled as a rain race? Or will it be listed as variable and it could rain or be sunny?

  • @anthonyclayton8224
    @anthonyclayton8224 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I can't wait till they release snow!

  • @Woopass90
    @Woopass90 Před 2 měsíci

    Love the vid. Us VR guys are def worried re FPS

    • @danielmorad
      @danielmorad  Před 2 měsíci +1

      I wouldn’t be. I think that based on my triple screen experience, it’s pretty good on FPS. no chance from what I had before.

  • @Carrara_Design
    @Carrara_Design Před 2 měsíci +1

    Perfect track choice a little hurricane just ripped through Sebring today 😂

  • @Wil-li7pj
    @Wil-li7pj Před 2 měsíci

    Would love too see a racing school series about driving in rain!

  • @f1gridlock
    @f1gridlock Před 2 měsíci

    I'm keen to find out if any of the improvements to dynamic track carry over into normal dry weather physics. Because to me it's always seemed that there is only ever one line and every corner has the same unchanging grip level, at least on the road side of things.

  • @tonygeddes9558
    @tonygeddes9558 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Can’t wait. I’m in England so I’m an expert at driving in the rain 🤣

  • @RacingWithChuck27
    @RacingWithChuck27 Před 2 měsíci

    Will get it Tuesday so will see. For me, I want realism and the race dates, in sim should be realistic, meaning whatever the track is experiencing, that’s what we should get. A lot of leagues make it east for people running static weather. I’m glad to hear it feels real. Netcode is the scary part … 😱

  • @maciejkosciuk6804
    @maciejkosciuk6804 Před 2 měsíci

    More rain driving theory would be much appreciated ;)

  • @Syskal
    @Syskal Před 2 měsíci

    Hyped Bruh.

  • @staceybertran52
    @staceybertran52 Před 2 měsíci +2

    It makes me happy to hear that it feels realistic. Now add in dry to wet mixed conditions like that can be found in Nürburgring. I can't wait ! I love racing in the rain. It really allows people who drive smooth to shine.

    • @danielmorad
      @danielmorad  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Already exists. It’s amazing actually. Pumped for all the situations we will encounter.

  • @AllexChyu
    @AllexChyu Před 2 měsíci

    I see that you don't use an active pedal for throttle. Does it make any difference in the feel of the car if would use an active pedal for the throttle ?

  • @Alex-Theologus
    @Alex-Theologus Před 2 měsíci

    A series of episodes on how to drive in the rain would be great!

  • @dirkhuperz-reuber
    @dirkhuperz-reuber Před 2 měsíci

    Nice Video Daniel. Can you tell me what in ear Headset you use. Very thx.👋😊

  • @Etrius76
    @Etrius76 Před 2 měsíci

    @danielI am totally unexperienced in driving GT3 Cars. I recently began iRacing with the MX5 though 😂. But I tried the Mercedes in the Rain and it was a mess 😂. The rear comes somtimes just when I break in a straight line … So I‘m wondering what I do wrong. Do you adjust break bias for example?

  • @weekendthreat5576
    @weekendthreat5576 Před 2 měsíci

    cant wait for the next vid on racing in the rain

  • @smoothacceleration437
    @smoothacceleration437 Před 2 měsíci

    Great !! Rain series, pleeeeeeease !!!

  • @simongymer199
    @simongymer199 Před 2 měsíci

    Super excited about the rain, but how are the slick tyres in the dry now? Are they great too? Can’t wait for them to add this to the Formula cars.

  • @theduke2726
    @theduke2726 Před 2 měsíci +2

    the iracing partner XD

  • @jaredmurphy1668
    @jaredmurphy1668 Před 2 měsíci

    Would love more info on how to race in rain :)

  • @CraigBray
    @CraigBray Před 2 měsíci +1

    Fish folk in their element finally. Let's go!

  • @henrikstrand3745
    @henrikstrand3745 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Cant wait to drive the 24 le mans later in iracing and with sudden rain, it changed strategy and everything, just epic

    • @bmwM3M5M6
      @bmwM3M5M6 Před 2 měsíci

      Best strategy: NOT CRASHING 😅 👍
      I MEANT MY PC WITH RAIN 😅

  • @Pricklyhedgehog72
    @Pricklyhedgehog72 Před 2 měsíci

    That is amazing...

  • @teabagmcpick889
    @teabagmcpick889 Před 2 měsíci

    Did they alter the track limits in wet conditions or is it still the same as is now?

  • @e50teric
    @e50teric Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great content, thank you! BTW, which wheel are you using?

  • @altransamaltransam95
    @altransamaltransam95 Před 2 měsíci

    Can't wait :)

  • @twistedbdo5755
    @twistedbdo5755 Před 2 měsíci

    This looks so sick...

  • @jimpfitzinger9604
    @jimpfitzinger9604 Před 2 měsíci

    Dan - very cool. Do you have a choice in tires? For example intermediate and full wet tires? Can it stop raining during a race and the track start to dry out?

    • @Simlife101
      @Simlife101 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Just wet and dry at the moment. Jimmy broadbent explains more

  • @IRUKANDJIY
    @IRUKANDJIY Před 2 měsíci

    Pro Driver Styler. No comment.
    Personal question? Please Try WRC 23 sometime!

  • @guillaumenoe1332
    @guillaumenoe1332 Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you for this video, which makes me even more impatient. In VR, it's going to be crazy. Technical question: I also have the 2 simucube active pedals. Do you think we need to adapt the settings to the rain? I would imagine so. Thanks for your answer.

    • @danielmorad
      @danielmorad  Před 2 měsíci

      Hey! Not at all. The settings are perfect for dry and wet. These will shine in the rain actually. Having the extra feedback is amazing.