Learn To Control Understeer and Oversteer - The Secret of Sim Racing Success
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- čas přidán 31. 08. 2023
- One of the most valuable things you can do to get better at sim racing is to understand the very thing you're using to do it - your car! Understeer and Oversteer loom over everything you do - every single lap, car, corner and maneuver is done at risk of these two things. Know your car and out-drive your competition.
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now I understand and overstand
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Your humor is too powerful
Dope!
...Or as Richard Hammond says:
Understeer works like this, you turn the corner, but the car goes straight on, crashes into a tree and you die.
Oversteer works like this, you're driving along the same piece of road, but the back of the car comes round, crashes into a tree and you die.
Now, oversteer is best because you don't see the tree that kills you.
I feel like this is a topic I already know about but I clicked the video just incase there's something I don't know about. Love the videos.
Thanks man!
Being a fan of Danny Lee is like being a fan of racing before cars were invented
P.s: love the educational content
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Thanks Danny. Although I'm on PS5 & don't play iRacing, just ACC & GT7, your training videos have taught me so much. It's appreciated. Thanks again.
Your clarity and precision in explaining is delightful
Thanks so much! A comment like this is HIGHLY spreadable on my toast
Sir you are like the house of wisdom for sim racing. Thx to you I am getting better and better and can learn from previous mistakes! Thank you so much, please keep up the good work!! 🙏👍👍
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Way more interesting and detailed than I expected on this topic. Thank you!
Thanks! Appreciate you stopping to comment ✨
Really well explained. Thanks for the effort 👌
Your videos are always great Danny, well done and very informative for the up and coming racers out there.
Thanks man - it's been a long time coming since the last guide. Never again will there be such a big gap!
@@dannyleeracing quality over quantity any day 👌
Wow man, superb explanation! What I really liked best was your usage of the camera angles and such - outstanding! I try to use it as much as possible for my own videos and I definitely learned a few more things about it now. By the way, if you wanna shrink the iracing watermark, just hit ctrl+pgdwn or up in order to de- or increase the ui size while recording.
Wonderful and informative video Danny, muchos apprecianos!!
Cheers, man!
Brilliant stuff Danny! Another great informative video! I’ll be sending many people here as reference! I think it’s the best breakdown of this concept that I’ve seen and the best examples provided imaginable! The work and effort put into this video did not go unappreciated! Even though I already knew everything you talked about it was a great watch anyway. Only thing is in the beginning when you mentioned that bad driving is not under/oversteer “it’s you”. It is still understeer and oversteer even if it’s to an extreme degree. Still a brilliant video and I think the best on CZcams! Thanks for your hard work Danny!
Thanks so much for the comment, I appreciate it! This stuff is all for my viewers so it makes it worthwhile to hear it
I’m glade I found this channel. I’m able to think about different things now when I’m racing. Thanks Danny 👍🏽
Love your content. The way you explain everything is great 😊
Thanks, man - happy to hear it and cheers for the kind comment
I play GT7 and ACC on the PS5 but much of what you said can very well be used. Thanks for the great video!
Danny I appreciate the work you put into your explanations. Very good writing m8.
You said in the video that you were not a set up guru lol but the way you simplified the concepts in the video was very helpful, great video!
After watching two videos of your channel I have to say as a rookie simracer, there is no way around of subscribing to your channel 🤗🙂🙃. Such much love to detail in this video. Easy explaination with easy visualization. And no overwelming the viewer with hard cuts and too fast speaking or distracting music. BR Timo
Thanks, man - I really appreciate that 👍
You are sn amazing teacher. I usually find track racing less fun than rally, but you explain this concept in a way that makes me want to practice on a track. Thank you!
Thanks dude, that's mega kind
Brilliant explanation - thank you!
Thanks man, hope it helps you move on forward!
Good video. On the other hand, I do have the Trubrake mod and Axcsim mod for the gas pedal for logitech pedals. They are great. No paid ad, just a satisfied customer. 😅
Nice advices! Thanks from Uruguay 🇺🇾
Very informative. Earned a sub.
Cheers, man!
Yes it has thank you for sharing that knowledge with me
Great video, felt like it was a paid lesson it was that good, just had to subscribe, felt it was only fair for the content provided. Cant wait to go through your other guides!
Thanks for the sub! Appreciated
I developed an instinct to balance the weight of the car in sim racing before learning the theory. Thanks for the video. Now I know that I'm doing it right.
This video was just about oversteer and understeer but the bit at the end about setups just opened up a whole load of understanding about it.
That was a such a small portion of the video, but that opened up so much for me.
I have a local GR86 cup in my country next week and I'm definitely using this information to figure out how to set up my car. It's only my second race ever since I got my MOZA R5 and setup was always a mystery to me.
Awesome video. Too bad i can't give you a new subscription since I've already subscribed about 2 years ago 🤣
thank you alot, this was my issue
Another cracking video mate. Your teachings are brilliant. I look forward to not being able to apply them due to my own impatience, but the main thing is, i know what you mean. 👌🏼🇦🇺
Thanks mate, appreciate the continued viewership and hope to have them along more often from now on...
Amazing video. Can you explain what people means que they say driving with the pedals?, whats the limit? How this work with tyre usage? Etc. i appreciate finding this channel. Keep it up
Another great video 👌
Cheers 🕶
Ever since i got into racing games i never understood exactly what is the reason why i spin out. This video helped me understand thank you so much
Thanks man, glad it helped - keep going and keep learning
That´s an awesome video. Thanks a lot for that!
And this is an awesome comment - thanks a lot for THAT. Much appreciated 🍻
Dude thank you for giving us your time :) cheers
And thank you for watching!
Very informative
Excellent content
very informative. subbed
Thanks for the sub!
i keep having oveersteer moments on acceleration with the amg evo in slow corners . so thankyou that nhelped me loads
Thanks for watching and letting me know - You're not alone with that, the AMG struggles for rear grip in slow corners because of the front-engined layout, but you benefit with front end poise and stability in the higher speed stuff, so it's a trade-off with that layout of car.
@@dannyleeracing honestly that helped me loads i was stiffning front ujp instead of back now works a treat honestly thankyou bro
As a straight American male, I am very attracted to your voice.
Get a table booked at a fancy restaurant, booking my flight over
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Wow, Logitech brake upgrade. Thanks my dude, affiliate link it is. 3rd video in and I've clicked to subscribe.
Envisioning a back bumper livery saying Logitech G29 as I pass a $1k Fanatec user!!!
Thanks man, I hope you enjoyed these videos and those that are to come. The truebrake is peak Logitech braking, check my 2023 review on it in case you wanted to know what spring setup I used.
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At 0:10 and 1:30ish, you park that car on the apex. Nice control 😀
great video
Just started sim racing so obviously started with forza horizon😂😂. Just getting to grips with my g923 and seat. This video has been amazing for my confidence
Thanks man - you're making the right moves!
Hi Danny do you have a video on traction control and how to adjust didnt see one, could be interesting if not :-)
Not yet, the to-do list is as long as the Spa Endurance Pit Lane
All I have to say is wow very informative great video
Thanks, mate!
First, this video was exceptionally efficient and explaining what exactly over/steer is. You really have a way with words when it comes to teaching.
Second, I have the Logitech wheel and pedal set and I bought the true brake mod a while back and it was a game changer. It makes my brake feel so good and realistic that I’m not all worried about upgrading my petals anytime soon. Admittedly the wheel leaves a lot to be desired but the pedals are fine.
Thanks so much for the mega kind feedback!
Great video Danny:)
Cheers Mike, hope it helps!
just over 6 mins in and i already know the point of this video. no need fit the rest. Im omw to find out if i prefer salt or pepper with my electrucity🤣.. Good videos.
my favourite setup change for reducing oversteer is limiting the front suspension travel - stopping the nose from pointing at the floor too much. Without having to stiffen up the front springs or decreasing rear wing. It frustrates me if some games don't let me limit suspension travel.
Limiting front suspension travel how? Like changing where the bump stop is? Higher spring rates? Lower ride height?
@@alecmillea4539 bump stop range of course. Narrow it down and your car will lean on that instead of diving.
@@catnipherb In real life if your car is hitting the bump stops under braking it’s set up wrong. It means there is no suspension movement left to absorb bumps in the braking zone and the car will be extremely unstable. It might work in whatever game you use it in but in real life that would kill you. Hence why it’s not an option in most games. Effectively you have no suspension on the front end while braking. If the track is glass smooth it’ll be fine but the second you hit a bump you’d die.
@@alecmillea4539 I don't know. I use fast bump and fast rebounds to deal with curbs and uneven surfaces. Pick any track and any car, go into their aggressive setups and you'll bound to find some cars will have short bump stop ranges by default. I'm sure Aris sets them like that for a reason.
Is there a reason why at 7:50 (fixing oversteer at corner entry) you only talk about steering less strongly and not about braking less hard? When you're coming in hot and your rear wheels start to slide at corner entry it's a tough situation to get out of and I wonder is it always better to steer wider or could it be sometimes better to release brakes? Either way it's really tough situation to stay on track. I also noticed at 11:50 you talk about oversteer again but now only mention throttle and brake and not about steering. Im curious why ? Thanks for the great explanation btw. Subscribed !
Can you make a video of how to use the clutch to take corners better?
Now I understand, but I’m anxious about how much I know
The separation of rotation to the front and stability to the rear is a good intermediate explanation, but it has flaws. Rotation comes from a torque applied to something. In a car, this torque comes from the force of each tire times its leaver to the center of mass. This gets quite obvious if you play with trail braking and let the rear step out under braking. You can get the same rotation or spin by adding more angles to the tires with the steering wheel or getting harder on the brakes. You can also understeer while braking if you load the front tire too much. That happens when the front axle toes in under load and how road cars balance tire life vs safety.
Speaking of the main parameter for stability besides load is the toe. The more toe you have the more stability you get from that axle, but you lose rotation. That's quite obvious for the rear axle. With more toe the rear tires are facing more towards the center of the car. So the longitudinal forces of the tire get a smaller lever to rotate the car. On the front, it`s more difficult. The outside tire of the corner gets a better leaver, but the inside tire gets worse. Unless you fully unload the inside tire that also gives stability at the cost of rotation. That's what makes the highspeed corners in Spa or at the Nürburgring Nordschleife so tricky. At Schwedenkreuz Nordschleife you completely unload the inside front tire so you need a loaded rear to make the corner. At Radillion Spa you unload the left side, into a huge compression as well as load the left, and then unload the left again. This variation of stability makes the corner really tricky and you need to have a precise line through it.
If you want to play around with this try harder or softer springs with lower or higher ride height. So the effective ride height stays about the same. A softer axle will toe in more when you load it, and a harder axle will toe in less. In conjunction with your driving style that's how you tackle over or understeer in specific parts of the corner. With a stable car, you can use more trail braking and start getting on the throttle earlier. With a more pointy car, you need to stay straighter while braking or accelerating and coast mid-corner for longer. Both styles can max out a tire's grip but they require different lines and techniques.
This information could help me in real life. When I crashed with my car that just had new front wheels. Causing it to oversteer and it was very very scary. Luckily nobody died. But I was effected and I still feel my neck after 5 years after the accident. 😢
There's something about learning and then applying it to something you love doing.
It feels like something you 100% will appreciate when it makes your passion and craft more understandable
3:14 this graphic is very helpful
You should've mentioned the differential. It tends to lock up under full throttle, producing understeer
This changes everything
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it's all about rear and front high.. oversteer? rear higher. understeer? front lower.
Rear wing? More straights = less wing
More corners = more wing
SPA MONZA wing at 1 etc..
And than you set up front and rear high to the point that you can survive the race.
4:20 i dont think ive ever even thought of the tires in this way
Danny Lee I have some problem in forza motorsport 7, iam using the g920 logitech, and my car keeps oversteering! This never happens with the Japanese cars I used. Iam currently doing a muscle car race. Is there a upgrade or setting that can help me stabilize my car. I wonder if I can send u a live video so u can help me out.
Ye I agree he is good at demonstrating
Awesome
I wish I could like this multiple times.
Thanks so much, man!
Love to know how to gauge the braking speed going into the corner. I kind of understand that hard brakes and then turn into the corner but I think I am missing out something, the car understeers and slides, while by watching others they are doing the same thing but they don’t slide.
Sounds like you might be carrying a little too much brake into the corner as you turn the wheel - doing too much braking whilst turning can overwhelm those front tyres and cause understeer. A video clip would be proper helpful!
Sorry if you already answered this and you can call me dumb, but I don't understand the part about a rear drive car suffering from corner exit oversteer from too much power to the rear. Wouldn't more throttle help against oversteer instead of causing it since it's shifting weight to the back?
You recommend some soft controlled throttling to remedy oversteer in that case, but wouldn't more throttle equal an even more effective result?
How does shifting weight to the rear TOO MUCH cause oversteer, shouldnt it help grip the rear?
EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't consider basic physics lol. The rear wheels spinning faster reduces grip naturally, offsetting the grip gains from the weight transfer.
That's right - if you put too much power into those rear wheels, the power will 'rip' the tyres free from the tarmac and they'll spin. When tyres spin, they can't grip the track - like how when someone loses their grip on an icy slope, it's much harder for them to regain grip on the ice while they're skipping over it so fast, so they'll just slide and slide until they're going slow enough again.
That's why powerful cars take so much care to drive - to get the best grip out of corners you have to apply power smoothly, but it's easy to overdo it and spin the rear tyres.
Lol nice ref with Mitchell and Webb
Why do your graphics look better than mine? I do full details all maxed, looks half as good oO
It's been 84 years- I mean 8 months since the last tutorial. You have this certain philosophical approach (I can't put a finger on it) with your explanations that it unlocks other perspective of answers to the same problem.
Dude, I feel it - I'll be pumpin' out one a month, soon
I have maybe a misunderstanding of the part coming at 7:18.
You say that as we are under braking, the front of the car has more grip, and the rear less.
Then, if we turn to brutally the steering wheel, then, the rear of the car having too low weight, then less grip, turning too much and too fast the steering wheel will lead us to ask too much to the rear wheels, that would not be able to keep the grip asked, and will lead to.... oversteering.
But on another hand, there is another understanding of it that leads me to a paradox.
If you turn more the steering wheel, you are using more of the front wheels grip potential to turn, and you are leaving less grip potential into braking.
Then, by steering more, you brake less, and by braking less, the rear of the car regains weight and the front loses it... this gain of weight into the front and lose into the rear would lead into understeering. Or you'll either keep braking as much but get into ABS and... understeer.
So regarding this conception, steering more = braking less = less weight transfer = understeering... the opposite of the previous conception, which also intuitivly makes sense to me.
I learned that from Suellio Almeida on this video : czcams.com/video/dVfCvMcdMxU/video.html.
I would like to get your point of view about it please.
In motorcycle's term we call it lowside or highside..
6:00 Is F1 cars not lawnmowers half of the time?
In Iracing, why does it look like the track is moving and the car is just placed on top of it.
You had me until you said "iTs NoT ____, iTs You" and then i felt attacked. It can't be me IM THE BEST idc if i just got my first wheel 3 weeks ago.
This confidence and determination is what'll take you far
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Hmm, maybe I missed it but there is nothing about how to catch it as in what to do with the steering wheel on top of what to do with the pedals.
Mostly just reaction time and learn the car and part of the track that it under/over steers
bottomline, keep your car stable and fast
Does your wheel and haptics play a part in detecting under/over steer?
The wheel, definitely - haptics, not really
oh yeah sim racing sure
So, where is dead body??
Understeer- you're going too fast into the corner.
That was a bit complicated. My way of doing it back when i used to drift a Silvia S14 was, if the car rotated too much aka understeered, i would left foot brake to shift weight to the front tires to give them more grip while keeping my foot on the gas to keep the engine in the power band and the turbo spooled. If the car understeer at corner entry, force the car to rotate by either more gas to break the rear loose, ebrake, or clutch kick
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Very good job explaining 👏
Thanks man!
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I think I was confused for the lonest time at the explanation of understeer and oversteer, when is it just you? It seems to me now its always technically just you but sometimes you ask way too much of the front or rear in an OBVIOUS way when you carry way too much speed or spin up the rears or throw in too much steering lock but sometimes it under steers or oversteers and its not obvious either due to temps, lack of consistency in the car or too little information to go on - so it seems to me now you can always technically blame the driver when they complain about oversteer or understeer. TLDR the explanation I've seen thus far including in this video are awful - understeer and oversteer aren't nearly as relevent as people seem to think but how much a driver asks of a front/rear limited car is but people just like to call it under/oversteer when they want something to blame. But generally how the balance of a car shifts through the corner and with setup - yeah over/understeer is a good paradigm but pretending that it doesn't exist when a driver carries way too much speed - that's just not true - its still technically understeering its just the driver could have relatively easily accounted for that.
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With respect, as a fellow Brit, your speech habit of pronouncing "th" as "v" or "f" (like this > vis) is extremely distracting. You're clearly a smart guy... I dont get it.
Great video though.
It's my favourite fing to do
Title should have been: “Prepare to listen to my monotonous voice over explain car balance for nearly 20 minutes!”
Is that an offer for voiceover services?
@dannyleeracing yes I think it is😂
@@joshwiebensohn406 damn Josh. What side are you on?
My comments are respectful you are trying to sensor speech, this is America buddy. This comment is for the person who sent the message saying keep my comments respectful.
Too much faffing. Give ONE example and move on, instead of a million. I lose focus and get bored. GET TO THE POINT FASTER PLEASE.
Thankfully there's plenty of folks in the business of racing tutorials - for a much faster lesson pace, Suellio Almeida is the guy. Personally I tailor my scripts for those that prefer to see the pattern proven across several examples, which is also how I like to learn
@@dannyleeracingGood on you for taking some rather rude criticism quite gracefully. 😊
Instant dislike for cringe sub begging.
Thanks for choosing to punish me for dedicating a few seconds of a near 20 minute video to that 👍
how can an a logitech user be making content on iracing....if you can afford iracing you can afford better gear mean better information. that like tryna tech DH mountian bike on a racer bike
It's best not to judge folks by the equipment they use, and also check my video catalogue - I use/used all sorts of kit along the way, I regularly swap and switch equipment to put it to the test
Nobody cares about adults who play video games. Adults have to go work for ten to twelve hours a day. I don't have any time for games. By the time I get off work I have to go to sleep for the next day of work. Must be nice, kids
And who gives a fuck what you think about sims or games then? NOfuckingBody, that's who. just go to work buddy, and stfu
You were sold a lie. Sorry about that. I'd sue for misrepresentation of the product. Only fools and horses work for 10-12 hours a day. Those fools that do, begrudge anyone else who doesn't because they were told that was virtuous and believed it. Got no time for video games but got plenty of time to watch sim racing videos on youtube and make bitter comments about it because you hate your life. Must be nice.
@@bitemyshite sounds like something a libtard would say.
If you don’t have time for games what are you doing on CZcams, clicking this video then going about 5 minutos typing this out, don’t you have a job?
Why on earth are you watching this video? 😂
Whats a reliable website for carsetups in ACC or iRacing ?
Coach Dave Academy is the most well-known site for ACC setups but my knowledge of what's 'good' in ACC is not too advanced - for iRacing, though, I've always gotten on well with VRS or Craig's Setup Shop but that can change from time to time as different people create different setups.