Trailbraking In Sim Racing - How Slowing Down the Right Way Makes You Faster
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2021
- The way you brake for corners is as much of a goldmine for speed as any other area of sim racing. Here's my take on how-to and why, as well as a pep talk for those of us who think we have it nailed, there's always room for improvement - never settle. It's just like buttering bread!
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#iracing #simracing - Hry
When you feel like you’re gonna miss the corner but then you hit the apex is when you know you got the braking perfect.
I have to practice this. I'm still at the stage of "keep the revs high so I can get on the power, so the nose will tuck in."
@@39KHall getting on the power to get the nose in??
@@jorehaast9887 I'm still at the stage of "kick it in reverse and floor it, blowing up the engine in the process"
@@istachi hey man, some of us are even less advanced than you
Your pfp describes my face when the car starts understeering.
I once overwhelmed the bread by pressing the knife too hard down while trying to spread the butter... The bread spun, and I ended up hard in the wall. I could have died!
I've seen many a kitchen tile broken this way
One must trail butter in order to spread out the force of the knife
@Felix Fox just needs a space. break fast.
Next time try to toast it before. It should be fine.
What happened is the extra pressure creates heat which dehydrates the bread and causes it to seek Barry R Jam.
You’ve explained this before, but this is the absolute best explanation verbally and visually ever displayed on CZcams. No further questions needed. Visually it was the faded redline demonstration. You’ve covered a variety of analogies to appeal to different levels of understanding.
Finding your input vs the brake factor setting is key. if load cell you should be close to 0, if 8 bit pedals default setting is just that, default. sometimes its better to have a longer curve (fudge factor) depending on your personal style of input. .3 is about where i am at on road course cars just because i always cover the brake. 0 is true linear, input to sim which gives you the best consistent feel with a load cell.
This comment, absolutely. This is a terrific explanation of trail braking and I loved it.
It’s considerably more effective with rear biased cars with slight oversteer. Planted AWD cars like STI/Quattro/EVO families need electronically induced oversteer. Tesla 3 Performance, some FWD hot hatches(Ford & GolfGTI) do some trickery to attempt this purposeful oversteer.
When you can explain it with bread and butter, you are clearly the master
Racing class at school : brake on the straight before it's too late
Me : got it
Racing class at college : school lied to you
Me : I KNEW IT
College is school.... 100 people who didn’t even make it through 3rd grade lol
@@queenpurple8433 preschool is school. And?
@@queenpurple8433 The definition of the step in the educational system that is called "college" varies across countries :)
@@queenpurple8433 Not in the UK it is not.
racing class in school is racing taught by people who never raced
all is pretty in theory but in practice stuff is different. this also kind of feels similar to the ae86/togue situation where some corners, with some cars, being faster while slightly sliding to preserve speed instead of turning at full grip
This is easily the best explanation of trailbraking. Now I know what this braking should look and feel like. Don't stop these tutorials!
Thanks man, cheers for your support
About time somebody uploaded an accurate explanation and understanding of trail braking.. great vid 👌
Cheers man, I know there's already a bajillion explanations on what it is but some of us just need it explained in bread terms
I feel like the difficulty in understanding trail breaking lies within you, it's not complicated at all.
@@bitemyshite ok hot shot! Mr 6000+ iRacing top 1%
key takeaway:
*DO-NOT-OVERWHELM-THE-BREAD*
All of this guys videos are great, but id say these explanations are his bread and butter.
Your comparison is actually perfect, your braking must be buttery smooth!
Upgrading to load cell pedals helped me immensly in getting a more constant trailbraking. Imho one of the most important upgrades to start with. Great video!
agreed
Absolutely. And start with small BRF if you have a fanatec LC, makes it much easier to get adjusted to
Interesting. I've used LC for years, but know quite a few e sports guys that go back to the "cheap" pedals because they're easier for them to be consistent.
@@notdreadyet33 that's very weird to hear.. I believe you ofcourse but lc made my braking SO much more consistent, right from the start. I just can't imagine that someone prefers cheap springpedals over lc pedals :-/
@@MrEDET I actually used to feel the same way! bought my LC, then put it in the garage for 6 months when my times sucked. Later, when I got a lot better and couldnt shave off time braking anymore, I pulled it out and made the switch back to the LC.
For me, the big thing I had to do was wear shoes on my left foot, at least flip flops. I was a socks racer before, and couldnt get the grip you need to properly put pressure on the LC.
Thanks for the Trail Braking and BB videos! This has really helped me to visualize what I am doing wrong.
01:40 This is a method of acheiving the concept known as "inducing oversteer"
This guide is hands down the best trailbraking guide ever made. So many examples in multiple types of corners with pedal input and helping me get into the right mindset / goal. To share this to us for free is truly a blessing. Thank you. ❤️
Turns out I had figured out trail braking on my own. Not say I do it well, but at some point I started to do a crude version of this. Now that I know what on earth I’m doing through a corner, I can work on it. Thanks for the video!
i've watched quite a few videos explaning trail braking and this one is by far the clearest and best explained
Best explanation I've seen on YT. I've wondered about the connection / contrast between trail braking and "slow in, fast out", but this clears it all up. I'll try this next month at the track!
Wow! What an informative video! Thanks mate! About a year into sim racing and this is by far the best trail braking video I’ve ever seen.
This might be beneficial for shorter races where tire/tread condition isn't a concern.
Breaking in a straight line provides more longevity for the rubber, unlike breaking in a turn.
You're still gonna lose more time not braking the right way and you can trail brake WHILE taking care of your tyres.
If the race is so short tyres aren’t a question people drive hotlaps constantly so idk how it would matter
@@makoaki9071 time is not everything....
That are alot of factors that go into winning a race.
trail braking is more risky and requires extreme precision to get it right especially under pressure.
I seen even the greatest drivers mess up trail braking.
@@TinyBearTim it does not matters if the race is short or not.
You will use more tyre depending on how you drive.
Trail breaking becomes harder the longer a race goes. Especially defending under prssure .
Your suspension has to be set up properly to get the full benefit of trailbraking also. Trailbraking with a poor suspension setup will hinder your front end grip and make you more prone to rear tire spin/snap oversteer.
Excellent! I learnt this by trying to perfect my laps around a slippery Silverstone, and this kind of cornering saved me. It's nice to know its theory, thanks! Now I wanna test it on karts :D
That explanation was on point! I thought I understood trail braking before this video only to figure out I was completely wrong! Cheers!
Great guide! Very clear, easy to understand, but also has all the info one need to understand the details.
I echo the sentiment below, this is one of the best explanations for the technique i have seen on youtube. Thank you very much for providing this, i am sure it is going to help many people improve their laptimes.
Cheers man, thanks for watching and commenting
You are an incredible communicator - keep making the vids, you're going to the top
Thanks man, real kind of you to comment. Cheers for watching
Great explanation and very good analogy with the bread! Thank you.
Very well explained thank you. Was aware of trail braking but now I understand it
This is really interesting. I'm quite new in sim racing and still learning about the best ways to drive and break. This could help a lot! Thanks!
It's been said before and worth saying again, but simply the BEST verbal and visual demonstration available. I will be ensuring my co-driver (my son) learns from this as I can't explain it this well. You are to be applauded. I'm guilty also of the obscure comparative analogy, love it, and breakfast will now look very different to me. Cheers.
Another great clear vid Danny. Even though many of us already understand these lessons, there is much value in your revision lessons. Keep it up👍🇦🇺
Cheers man, thanks for watching and commenting - I really wanna help folks in their first year of racing most of all, but inspiration is applicable at all stages and I've found myself taking some of my own advice on board more.
SUCH A GOOD EXPLANATION!! ... also that bread analogy was * Chefs Kiss*
I've never seen this concept explained so nicely. I'm definitely subbing! keep it up!
Much appreciated, and thanks for stopping by!
That was awesome. Will try this and will check your other videos. I hope they are as educational as this one.
I couldn't figure out why someone was faster than me while his lights were still on during the turn...
Then this video pops up without even looking for it.
Awesome explanation!!
practice racing sprint cars or midgets. you use your left foot more then the right...lol you learn how to trailbrake while sideways too....:) but if you are new, depending on your brake setup. play with the brake factor setting default is like 1.50 but true linear braking is 0, if you are a heavy footed then move it up until you find your happy spot. every car is a bit different but i have cspv3's and run .3 on road course cars and 3.0+ on my dirt cars because i am always keeping brake pressure to keep grip.
I noticed that I am doing trailbraking in some corners unconsciously but I learned now what it is and i will use it for all corners, thanks for the video.
thankyou, your style of explanation is second to none. MORE PLEASE DANIEL
Cheers, thanks for the comment and for watching. Always working on more!
Great theory demonstration , I will practice and employ this into my racing thank you
Finally! I understand trail braking. Thank you!! Very in depth
Thank you!!! This was, by far, the best video I have seen on trail braking. Not only the way you explained it, but your illustration at the beginning of the video really helped. Again, thank you. Will subscribe.
Thanks so much, dude - I love to think that it's helping people, so cheers for taking a minute to tell me how you felt. 👍
I love these kinds of videos, I study them carefully to become a racing god before I get on the sim and lock up into the barrier.
Well explained, thank you i will go practice and hopefully ill stop overshooting the corner and have less understear
This was great. I learn best when food is used as positive reinforcement.
That was a great explanation! Sounds strange but doesn't take long for it to feel natural. Sometimes slight overlap of brakes/acceleration helps bring the rear around with a car thats prone to understeer.
This is the best trail braking guide i never seen before.
Simply perfect!
I'm into your channel for the first time and I'm going to subscribe instantly after saw this great video! Thank you so much for this explanation! It will help me a lot❤
Thanks so much, Ste! Just do a better job cooking your sausages than I did on this day
Love the bread analogy lol. Great video and explanation. I'm new to sim racers just starting out and this was very helpful.
Got my like and my sub just with that bread and butter analogy. So good.
Was a little bit skeptical if I can do it on a keyboard since I don't have a sim rig/ controller but after a month, I'm gettin used to it, thx a lot mate! :)
Absolutely amazing. Thank you for putting this together.
Thanks dude, hope it really helps!
First of all, I’m a complete Noob when it comes to Sim racing, what I have to tell you though is that I’ve watched six or seven videos on trailbraking, and this is the first one that I understood the whole process, you explained this so well and in-depth in a way that was so much easier to understand than everything else that I have watched so thank you for that. I will be looking forward to watching some of your other videos and other techniques.
You can even see the inner front wheel lifting off a bit from the track.
Nice video, I'll use this on DiRT.
This is how you explain trail braking, great vid!
I love these videos to be a better driver the most. Also, love the intro☺️
Thanks man, your support's always appreciated - proper good energy
Long needed video. Great infographics!
Outstanding video! Good info! Thanks!
This video is just brilliant. Great lesson.
Finally! The best explanation about Trail Braking! Thank you very much!
I'm practicing my right and left foot a lot, but still with difficulty. I tried running at Mount Panorama and it was awful, hahaha
Thanks man, appreciate the kind words
Thankyou Sir. I needed some advice on this.
Much appreciated. Cheers!
Great explanation. Just recieved the truebrake I ordered after watching your review. It feels a bit daunting as I've just swapped to a wheel as well. Everything seems up in the air at the moment. Small steps I guess. Videos like yours definitely help. Thanks for your efforts
This is by far the best explanation of trail braking on yt
one of the very best video explaining trailbraking, thankyou danny thankyou
Thanks man!
very well visualized and explained - thanks for the efforts
Thanks for watching and commenting man, appreciate it
I'm still new to racing and driving sims, no experience prior at all. My wheel comes tomorrow, but I've been working on trail braking the whole time I have been messing around with the couple games I have played (on controller). I heard about it from a real life touge video, showing a guy doing it and since I saw that I have been trying to get better at trail breaking. This video randomly came up, and I am glad I clicked on it because it showed me I was doing what I want to mostly right, obviously I have a lot to tweak with my lines and general driving but it feels good to not have a car explode on a nasty gutter in beam lol
Great tip on trail braking - Thank You!
the buttering bread analogy is excellent, bravo
Thanks man, i always wondered how the hell people on youtube braked late and still managed to stop the car in time, well i was braking earlier and in a straight line. Thanks for this
Baller analogy. I was already understanding what you were talking about but that example is perfect, lol.
Trailbraking is actually pretty easy on a controller.
At least with the more modern Xbox controllers.
This is because they have rumble motors in the triggers that are used to convey how much grip you have.
Full rumble= no grip
No rumble= full grip
Rumble in the right trigger= grip loss due to acceleration
Rumble in the left trigger= grip loss due to braking
@道に迷いました LMAO!
@道に迷いました on a track, nope, but on rally it’s still doable to the point of world records, and even compared to old controllers, is a massive increase on tracks
Way better on the Dualsense with adaptive triggers
Anyone still harking on controllers hasn't used the new ones. I am def faster with a wheel. But honestly not by much. The new duel sense in particular is really easy because you can actually feel loss of traction on the triggers.
@@razgriz6627 I've only been able to experience this in Forza. Are you able to get it working in AC?
dude this is the best explication I could find out there, thank you
No no... the bread on butter analogy is really good actually. I'm a decent trail braker but I'm still missing that extra grip mid corner sometimes, that really helped. Thanks.
Good Explanation, I ride motorcycles and trail braking is in my blood. Comes naturally to some, but others not so much. I clean up on corners with me mates on road rides
This will be very useful! Thank you!
the best explanation of trail braking bar none, thanks DL i actually understand it much better now and iv just hit the like and subs button 👍
Thanks man, appreciate that a lot!
This is a great explanation! Thanks!
Mate your videos are the best I found online. The brake bias one helped me to go below .36 on Zandvoort. I shaved .3 from my previous best. Now I sit on 1:35:83 😊
Thanks man, love hearing stories of it working for people - bet that feels good having picked up genuine speed and pace!
That bread and butter example just got you another like nice i want to see more like this
As someone who is just now getting in to Sim racing I love this. I definitely was not thinking about trail braking, more of an accident with late braking. Definitely Subbing for more videos like this! Thanks!
Cheers man, thanks for the kind comment
As a pretty newbie driver in all senses, I feel like I’ve been doing some of this naturally. But this breakdown has informed me tremendously, thank you 🙏.
That's great, keep going! And thank you for stopping to let me know, it's a big reason why I do it!
The way you simplified information even for people that might not be into racing or sim would understand was admirable, it is what got my interest. Amazing job brother keep it going.
Best video I’ve ever watched on the subject....trying to improve on F1 and Forza as I’m a relative newbie. This will help!
Cheers mate, happy to hear it's got you optimistic! Have a good'un
That bread analogy is why I understand trail braking
Haha, cheers - I stand behind it very seriously yet it does still crack me up when people say it helped them
You explained it perfectly. Great video!
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed!
I recently got AC and have been doing this and didn't know the proper term, great video always great to learn.
Personally I like to run my front tires 1 or 2 psi higher than the back to help grip
having more pressure in a Tyre usually doesn't help them to have more grip, well in my books at least, but I'd be interested to know if you have an explanation or maybe it's just a feeling you have, because to me it seems a bit counterintuitive
Awesome! My lap times have improved dramatically on gt sport with my G29, subscriber gained sir!
Cheers man, so glad to hear it! This is why I do it, reports like this!
Great video, well explained.
Best video on trail braking I’ve seen 👍
Dude imma total racing/sim noob and your explanations made perfect sense! Great video! Ty! 🤓
Thanks for watching man, you are exactly the audience I want to hit the most so it's good to hear. Enjoy racing!
This is why i think every racer should learn how to drift because it teaches you throttle control and where the brake point is when braking at a highspeed. That combined with proper knowledge of trail braking. Will give you a more complete idea of how everything weaves together when you want to maintain grip and speed while corning.
I have been doing trail braking since GT1 driving licence test. You literally cant pass them without using trailbraking.
Thx Danny, gonna try this for sure. Hope my loadcell is helping to get it
Great video, thanks!
Huh well what a clear description of trail braking...props buddy.
Cheers man
You know you're doing it right when you start to feel like you can steer the car into a corner with the brakes. It really is the key to get from the point were you can go around a track without crashing to were you start doing it fast.
Sick video! Very informative.
6:00 thanks for the tutorial on buttering bread. I realized I was doing it wrong the whole time and kept overwhelming the bread
Thank you, Danny
The best way i learned to trail-brake is to tie a string from your brake pedal to your wheel. The harder you press your brake the less you can turn, but when you start turning it forces you to lift off the brakes little by little. Hope this helps someone who is having a hard time getting the hang of it.
This is an awesome trick. I want to try this, but I'm a 3-6 months away from build a PC.
Great informative video !! You make it easily understood-- thanks
Thanks, mate! Love to hear it
Absolutely awesome explanation - thank so much for taking the time. Only issue I have now is that on every corner I'm now thinking about sausage sandwiches and the thought of it makes me miss the apex every time.
Not just sausages, but badly cooked ones
thx for upload and excellent visuals that earns a sub
I've been to Summit Point! So cool to see it featured in a well known video.
So cool to have a video referred to as well known! Summit Point is a common track in iRacing but it's one of the oldest on there - I remember racing on it back in 2010 when I first found iRacing...
Great explanation. Thanks 😊
i tapped into this in GT7 in the lastest daily race, this will come in handy