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I have had thoughts on making a triple concentric ring rattlesnake/floating wafer pin would be used in a Medeco biaxial CL. I haven't justified buying what I need to make 1 or 2 of those pins. I have decided to call them hybrid, because it can easily summarize them simply because the pins can be described differently and yet the same. I have came up with some wild stuff to put in CLs that would have made it to the lockporn segment of Bosnian Bill, if he was still active. been thinking about taking up the offer for making a CL and it getting into the hands of LPL. That is if I don't decide to retire from CL making. thanks for the input, if you decide to dive into the seedy dark underbelly side of LockSport and make CLs, my best to you and not only I but others will be glad to help you in your journey

thanks, hybrid I feel is pretty much spot on, since the pin's description upon inspection can be viewed as more than one way or style of pin.

@@j.gabriel8573 yeah thats a good name

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lol me to i will be under his bed, i just pick his back door :P

@@DutchLockPicker 🤣🤣🤣

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true, there's a lot of them that I build😆 among other stuff I tend to throw into a CL 😉

yeah I guess I had to listen to that old song, it's been awhile. but you did help me name the challenge lock coming to you though. I still got to see if it's still in the US or on its way to you now.

@@j.gabriel8573 it's a rattlesnake pin! Bojangles is a 'down and out' who dances beautifully - it's that simple ❤️ It is what it is 💖

@@BeercanBushcraft I get it, but I could not tell you exactly how well it dances inside of a challenge lock. I just know it gets funky feedback. I'm just sticking with a hybrid since there are so many that share the same composition and yet could be so different

@@j.gabriel8573 it clicks its heals and lands softly. Definitely been in jail. Even Sammy Davis Junior was talking about it. There is always a story behind something so beautiful 😊

I am probably just going to stick to what I was originally calling them as a whole," hybrid"; simply because even though the pins have differences but are very much the same as they are different , for the most part. I do appreciate your input, but trying to give a solid name to one and then trying to name another one and treating it as a different pin but still functions and has the components and makeup of the previous pin, would basically equal the definition of insanity 😅

I am just sticking with hybrid since they share the same similarities as well as differences. I was just trying to find a conclusion to a debate I've had with myself on trying to name them as singular pins. hard to do, when you break them down, it's a real mind screw. I'm going to stick with hybrids since they all cam be sumerized as triple,. segmented, and whatever else. some flared, some move more than others, some parts are longer than on others, but essentially are the same. it's just straight up insanity by definition I'd say

I figured I'd share a insanity inducing question that I've had for awhile and curious to see what others would come up with, so far no matter what pin it is, it's pretty much the same parts, different lengths, some flared on 1 end or both ends, same parts, but distinctly different. now with that being said, would the double rattlesnake PIP technically a quadruple pip? bro.... it's insanity when I try to really figure them out

Me too, I hope he makes a bloody good chilli 🌶 🌶️🌶️🌶️

@@BeercanBushcraft im at his door trying to pick it , very softly , dont want him to hear me so ssssst :D

@@DutchLockPicker 😂🤣👍

actually I do, I'm a massive foodie. so what you see in my CLs just imagine me with good food

@@j.gabriel8573 Me Too 👍 🦀🦞🦐🦑🦪🥂🍾

I mean its got a body, and a hoop around it 😁

@@RookKnighti second this👏👏🤘😎

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I like that

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I think I will just call continue to call them hybrid since they are different but yet still so much a like

thanks brother, same here. trying to name something that is so different and yet so a like, is like the definition of insanity even though the pins have distinct differences but yet so similar trying to give them different names. i think it's why I just was calling them hybrid when I started going down this rabbit hole with these types of rattlesnake/floating wafer pins

@@j.gabriel8573 they definitely deserve a name. I did have one Hulahoops cuz its looks like a body, and a hoop around it 😁

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great name for the whole genre of floating wafer/rattlesnake pins that the hybrids are as a whole, but trying to give them an specific identifying name that can separate the differences between the pins that share same physical aspects and appearances when you begin to look at their similarities and yet differences. I figured out that's the manifestation of insanity going down that rabbit hole.

@j.gabriel8573 send me a pic of the different ones side by side. I'll give you some ideas at least.

@j.gabriel8573 well, it effs you fast!!! 🤣

I am going to have to make the other variants and out them side by side to show what I am talking about and help get a name for each one. I guess essentially they are all rattlesnake triple pip pins either fixes as 1 piece or in 2 or 3 pieces. I guess it is just too difficult to name them ( shrugs )

I have a few variations of this and I think I will have to get them all made and together to explain what I am trying to name them to give them a separate identity

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just trying to get an appropriate name for it, that suits it's aesthetics and profile, if it's better described as a segmented triple pip/telescopic/concentric ring/ hybrid/ but hybrid rattlesnake pins is such a broad spectrum term but I am trying to give this type and a different name from others that are different than it. I am going to get the pins and variants together and try again

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what variant of rattlesnake pins would you say. they are able to br described in a few ways - hybrid rattlesnake pins, segmented triple pip, concentric ring , telescopic rattlesnakes. I am trying to find a good name that summarize the look and aesthetics of the complexity pieces of the pins. rattlesnake pin is pretty much the standard base but it's definitely a bit different than a standard rattlesnake or floating wafer pin and trying to get a solid name for this.

@@j.gabriel8573 I'm still on my first cup of coffee so I still have some brain fog going. "Hybrid" sounds good, or maybe borrowing from the world of plants "variegated" would describe them well. I think "cross-bred" would be going a bit too far though as someone might get offended...

@@P_RO_ I will have to make all the variants, but I think it's going to be confusing still and may not get an actual name for each pin that would properly describe it like other pins that are - double spool, mushroom spools, serrated, serrated spool, gin , barrels, etc. simply because these aren't your standard rattlesnake or floating wafer pins. I took something from what was once a driver pin to making them as key pins, the made outer and inner and as well as double rattlesnake PIP pins, several different varieties of what could be called triple pip/ segmented rattlesnake/ etc... I was just trying to get help with names for each of them, by starting off with that particular style. it's just so difficult to properly name and when you are able to make different variables that are essentially the same but yet so different, and they all could fit under the same name but it just doesn't seem right. it's a confusing situation for me, let alone for the picker to tries to make heads or tails of it

@@j.gabriel8573 Pins have gotten quite complex (which is a good thing) but given all the variants, descriptive names are getting equally complex too so I can't offer much other than maybe attaching your name or initials to the usual name for your new inventions. Something like a "JG rattlesnake hat pin" would be easier than describing a "rattlesnake hat spool serrated tapered anti-bump piston" pin to a neophyte picker.

@@P_RO_ I do appreciate you trying to help me out with this, and I also appreciate the others who have been giving interesting names but it's not like I'm trying to showcase the work of some of these pins that I make, it's just trying to find an appropriate name for them even though they share a lot of similarities and I think I'm going to have to redo that video or rather make a new one showing and showcasing the different ones of why I want to name them or give them an appropriate name. name. It's been something I've been struggling with for a while because I don't know what to call them. but if they had to have a name just to put them in a clump classification without giving a detail of what they really are, would be hybrid. I see them being seen in so many different ways and it could be very confusing. once again I do like to say thank you for trying to help me with this confusing task

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Beat me to it! Good job 😁😎🤘

I appreciate it. call me. just run across a dysfunctional channel that dives in to a bit of insanity more or less to the dark side of LockSport, which entails the dark arts of causing pain and grief inside of small torture devices called challenge locks who indulge themselves and like to have their single pin picking skills pushed to the limits.

@j.gabriel8573 I totally agree with your views on your other videos. I've noticed a few people take it to serious and ruin it for others. Just a quick why it's wrong to bump a cl lock? Is it because it may damage it? I don't bump locks but wouldn't mind adding it to my arsenal.

@martinstockbridge3449 lock bumping will mess up stock locks especially the key pins. I do need to make a video on the evolution of challenge locks. many challenge locks have hidden tricks and features, even down to custom security pins that are multiple parts that can't take the forces exerted on them from other attack methods. I have had pins get bent, warped and broken by excessive tensioning. the thing that I have came to understand about that challenge locks are more for SPP and challenging the picker in that method to improve their skills and it's not all about getting the challenge lock open by whatever means that doesn't destroy the lock. it's a whole different ballgame from the time Bosnian Bill was taking them on and even then he had outlined rules and how he would attack them, but there was also a prize involved for the CL makers who whipped him.

@j.gabriel8573 yes that's what I thought it may damage them. My main goal is to improve my spp. Just wanted to try some bumping . I'm still finding security pins hard and be a while before I get a CL. 👍

@martinstockbridge3449 I do have some bump keys and a bump hammer, I wouldn't recommend doing locks that you cherish in your collection but just to mess around with I would find some locks that you wouldn't really care about possibly damaging.

thanks, this is old. I should have taken this down but left it up as a reminder to me and that I should have done my due diligence and investigated instead of being so trusting of someone who didn't be totally honest and with held details.

@@j.gabriel8573 been there, done that, I have the t-shirt! There have been some, not many, but some, whom I have trusted (not just in Locksport btw) who I trusted too much instead of doing my own due diligence and reacting instead on too little information or incomplete (sometimes intentionally incomplete) so I perfectly understand where you are coming from. We live and we learn. Hang in there brother!

always a pleasure to get more insight from what I understood about the BB CL Saga. It was his rules, and if whipped he'd send out a prize. If the lock survived, it went into the community. Challenge locks have evolved way more from their humble beginnings, but to be fair on hybrid picking, I don't really see the harm if they are calculated and not haphazardly raking and sloshing a rake around in the key way. that could be comparable to B!t h picking or going into the extremes. you have some excellent insights and I think more people should be encouraged to share their thoughts on challenge locks and a universal approach and guidelines.

thanks brother, I appreciate it and I want to go more into it. I'm just trying to educate not only myself but others about progress and want to be more accurate and have my information right. my best to you brother and sending my best wishes for a blessed and inspiring weekend

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Another bit of knowledge to add to my lock picking thinking..

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You are a lock cultist, a Lock Star , a sick twisted lock formication artist and so much more! nothing but love brother and now go forth and kick Headbanger's @ss , it's about time for you to get the open. I know that it's been a dastardly CL, you actually pushed me to push myself with those first words you spoke to me in that DM, you're rebuttal when you finally saw what was inside let me know that I met your expectations and lived up to what you wanted from me in a challenge lock. 🫂👍🔥🦾

@@j.gabriel8573 headbanger definitely keeps kicking my ass, I might have came at you harder than I intended to

@@LockkraKen It's quite all right, I guess I need to kick in the ass and so did you LOL

@@j.gabriel8573 I'm still pretty sure I'm one of the most well known blue belts

understandable, that one may be able to handle raking to a certain point. challenge locks I do agree are really more about improving SPP and that insight gets overlooked. Another oversight that gets over looked when BB was doing it, that was a contest and you won a prize if you beat him - paclock or something else . You knew his rules and it's evolved from that point since then.

@@j.gabriel8573 I'd have never sent BB a lock, because he always raked to a false set, even my logo locks bitting is very rakable, but you're supposed to pick it

Impact Double Ended Spigot with 5/8" Stud and 1/4"-20 Threads is what you search for on Amazon, the brass has doubled from $8 USD up to $30+ the other like chrome, but if on discord there's the Chuck vise there's quite a few people who can 3d print you that piece and a more stable vise. it's okay the one I have, but to be honest I'd like to have some of the other ones that I have seen on other pickers videos or on picking time. if you do decide the Amazon part, the 5/8" bottom isn't necessary, the 3/8" version will fit in the base if not,.cut that off and the rest of it will. it was something that Picksmith had created awhile back

@@j.gabriel8573 I saw 3d print and was instantly intrqigued I have a few 3d printers, I will look around for a part to print.

well, if I actually get finished with these last few challenge locks. I got to make some pins for a buddy of mine who has made some cutaway Master Lock 19s that I gave away in a secret giveaway that I held. he has one that I am going to make some pins for. if you got a pair of calipers and able to give me a diameter but I still have this cutaway sparrow's lock which probably has the same tolerances that I can use and create you some pins for your revolver if you like. are you on discord?

@@j.gabriel8573 No. I used to be, but I shy away from any tech that has the ability to spy on me and sell my information. I do use Signal on my cellular device, but aside from CZcams and a few 3D printing forums, I stay under the radar as much as possible. I do have an email that is listed in my YT about section. I respond quickly to that email and I also use a proton email address for more privacy but that address is kept separate from my YT profile. No, I am not a "boomer" because I am only 53. I "AM", however a Luddite in some ways. One with some average technology knowledge. I'm a former service technician that worked on fueling dispensers, tanks, level monitoring and POS system in gas stations.