I don't care who this offends and if you decide to unsub, black ball me... GOOD!!!
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- čas přidán 1. 05. 2024
- I don't know what's going on, but I really think this is really going overboard, if you want to unsub, blackball me or have any hate towards me, that's great! I didn't need you in my life anyways.
I believe it's called hybrid picking! To rake it first then set the remaining pins. Makes sense. And I've seen the episodes you are referring to. Don't let the haters get you down. You are the man!
im with you bro, you have many ways to open a lock, that's the point to open a lock without key lol
im really like to make me own pins , it gives me chill moments and come in a relaxing state. im working on my next CL I LOVE IT heheheh , i like you mate and your work, stay with us man
Right on well I'm trying to get a good set of standard rules universal across the board. I know the pins have changed and challenge locks have progressed way more and I do have an understanding of why there was the update with best practices compared to how it was when Bosnian. Bill was taking on challenge locks. I was misled on some of this drama stuff and I have been eating Crow and been feeling bad about it because I wasn't sure about all the details and who was really all involved and whatever reasons it just seemed like somebody was just being bullied and seemed like they were being threatened and given some of the things I thought was pretty much stupid of how the locksport community acted on some things or in the past I was ready to go to war with everybody. I'm about to make a Saturday ramble video and go a little bit more into detail.
I appreciate the comments, I've had a lot going on with a stolen vehicle and a bunch of other stuff that just keeps hitting me left and right in life. I think that when it comes to challenge locks there needs to be a lot of gray area removed. now with the LockSport hobby and everything there needs to be gray area and I'm probably going to make a video on this as well as explaining even to the newcomers. the whole thing about Boston Bill with challenge locks cuz a lot of people don't understand that it was pretty much a contest/giveaway and those rules really applied for what he was doing and not necessarily what is said for challenge logs these days. factory locks apps. sure, no problem. as long as you own them fuck, but challenge locks is a whole different story.
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You had me at Cultists...
welcome to the neighborhood brother!
I like the lock setup, I have seen that clamp before, but I am curious the rod connected to the clamp and the panavise, is thought something you can buy off the shelf?
Impact Double Ended Spigot with 5/8" Stud and 1/4"-20 Threads is what you search for on Amazon, the brass has doubled from $8 USD up to $30+ the other like chrome, but if on discord there's the Chuck vise there's quite a few people who can 3d print you that piece and a more stable vise. it's okay the one I have, but to be honest I'd like to have some of the other ones that I have seen on other pickers videos or on picking time.
if you do decide the Amazon part, the 5/8" bottom isn't necessary, the 3/8" version will fit in the base if not,.cut that off and the rest of it will. it was something that Picksmith had created awhile back
@@j.gabriel8573 I saw 3d print and was instantly intrqigued I have a few 3d printers, I will look around for a part to print.
I “Hybrid” Pick Every Lock. Rake to set whatever will set, the attack with a Hook! Sorry that you seem to be dealing with some serious B.S. on this subject, but I Support you 💯! An Open is an Open!
Well headbanger has had me whipped for like a year, but I'd never rake a challenge lock
understandable, that one may be able to handle raking to a certain point. challenge locks I do agree are really more about improving SPP and that insight gets overlooked.
Another oversight that gets over looked when BB was doing it, that was a contest and you won a prize if you beat him - paclock or something else . You knew his rules and it's evolved from that point since then.
@@j.gabriel8573 I'd have never sent BB a lock, because he always raked to a false set, even my logo locks bitting is very rakable, but you're supposed to pick it
Don't let anyone get to you J. In CLs you are a legend imho and quite frankly, you have imparted more knowledge and advice to the community about them that it would be a travesty if you left. Hang in there my friend, we all have times when things seem to get to us, this is just that time for you and it will pass. Stay strong my friend!
thanks, this is old. I should have taken this down but left it up as a reminder to me and that I should have done my due diligence and investigated instead of being so trusting of someone who didn't be totally honest and with held details.
@@j.gabriel8573 been there, done that, I have the t-shirt! There have been some, not many, but some, whom I have trusted (not just in Locksport btw) who I trusted too much instead of doing my own due diligence and reacting instead on too little information or incomplete (sometimes intentionally incomplete) so I perfectly understand where you are coming from. We live and we learn. Hang in there brother!
One of my favorite memories is when I got the open on the CL you made for me and the way you helped me accomplished it. Thanks my friend
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Blackballing, to me, means covering someone's testicles (bollocks) with black shoe polish. Brett and I used to do it all the time when we were in Nam together in the late 60s .
You should make it clear that we only did our own, for camouflage reasons only, you know how some people get hold of the wrong end of the stick😉
Och aye, the life of a Highlands Sapper is not an easy one 👍
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Don't leave. You make a great points. I love to learn from CLs. They make me a better picker. Sometime i learn a lot from what stumps me. That way i learn new techniques and feedback. Thanks J
brother, I don't want to leave but if it's going to turn into one of those bullying deals for hybrid picking or raking a challenge lock open. then it's not for me anymore. it wasn't like that when I came in cuz Bosnian Bill, a high ly regarded and influential and inspirational member of the lot community who retired used hybrid picking, as well as rate and rocked challenge locks open. I'm just not down for the bullying and shaming people for that. there are other things a lot worse she could do to a challenge lock and when I heard that, to me it felt like a slap in the face. when I had joined the community and got interested in it, stuff like that was not tolerated and it should not be tolerated. I don't care who you are, how many subscribers you got or whatever. it's not fair and it's not right then you might as well. black ball Bosnian Bill , he might as well blackball LPL for picking his own lock of his car that was in use because it's his and he owns it and he gave himself permission to pick it. I respect you brother but if it's going to get this bad in the Locksport community I have no place in it anymore and if people feel bad about it for what I said towards me they can send me back my challenge locks cuz they no longer have permission to pick my locks. they will be in violation of rule number two and they should be blackballed. I'm standing firm and strong on this man and it was very uncool. like I said, I respect you and I appreciate you if you understanding what I am trying to say here.
I guess it's kind of a sensitive subject and I I appreciate your comment and concern. I'm just not a fan of bullying
@@j.gabriel8573 I agree 💯
I'm going back to this old video cuz there's a lot of reply I said I need to go back to cuz usually I didn't say anything but I'm not leaving. if anything I might just redo my videos as far as pen making and everything making a little bit better and cut out all the rambles and stuff like that. and I started out in the shadows before I started reaching out and trying to break the ice with people, sometimes I think it's better for me just to sit back in the shadows and hang out and do what I can for people when I can.
Great video, Don't let the Hater's bother you, hater's gonna hate ..... I think I heard that somewhere ;)
if it's your in-use lock and you choose to pick it and something happens to it, that's all on you and is nobody else's business. also, an open is an open, unless someone set's rules for a CL ahead of time.
Locks sport is supposed to be fun, not aggravating !!! Nobody want's more stress !!!!
Have a great day
I appreciate It, there's more to the story and some things about the drama that unfolded without me knowing nor being corrected on the actual details, but was led to believe it was something different. I am now posting a video for a set a universal rules regarding challenge locks and the etiquette so that we all have something to go on. It's progressed and definitely turned into something a lot more since the whole thing caught traction with Bosnian Bill. it's came a long way since then
Raking CL's is definitely a thing. I would never blackball anyone over that. That's why when we build them if there are special instructions we pass them on with the lock. You're a pillar in this community. There are a bunch of us who look up to you and some of us who you inspire the "evil" in CL building.
I appreciate you brother. you're awesome! just as well as many other people that I've interreactive here. much is a pillar as anybody else that stands solid and doesn't sit there and bullying threaten the black ball Tell them they're probably only get a bunch of hate because they rate the lock. if it's what the Lockport community is beginning to turn into? then, I'm done with it. I'm just going to stand strong on it and the ones who spoke out against him for using a rake on a standard pin challenge lock should be the ones to apologize because then they might as well threaten Bosnian Bill whereas my voice to text likes to call it Boston Bill lol
Mate, sounds like someone's really rattled your cage here. My take is that CLs are made and sent out to wander the wastelands for eternity. The challenge is to open them, without using brute force of course. No drilling folks! 🤣
I personally don't rake challenge locks to get them open as I prefer an spp approach. That's true of all locks unless they're cheap ass locks or wafer locks. I sometimes rake locks but it's not a way I feel that I can best a lock. This doesn't mean I'm going to go around telling other folks off about their approach to getting opens.
At the end of the day, it's a hobby. There are no rules when you're sat at home picking locks you own, or have permission to pick. Don't let the haters bring you down my friend 😉👍🏻
Educate is two weeks unless ya talk to builder. But get the sentiment. Raking cl’s is absolutely a thing. Better beware before sending out to public if your worried bout a rake. But definitely not a bump hammer. I like what ya say. Who the hell is blaclballing over someone raking locks? That is truly sad! Though i haven’t seen a new challenge lick in a couple months now. Though i did pause on em. Because i wasn’t doin so hot. But sure would love some today🤷🏼😝. Jason you make very valid points! No shame! I’m sharing this!
And whats funny too i just noticed....you use my exact 350 vise setup...googly eyes and all LOL
I am relatively new to challenge locks, so I do not know the "unwritten rules", and can imagine many other people dont either. Sure, I can assume i am not supposed to drill it, but never thought i am not supposed to rake/rock/jiggle it. I would want to look at forensics to confirm, but i imagine heavy handed spp can do as much damage or more than raking or bumping depending on the materials and pin cuts in the lock. I think if there are special instructions for a challenge lock (and there might be) write them down, and also accept when you send a lock out in the wild you do not have any control, those instructions might get lost, someone might install it on their front door, loose the key, and then call a rookie locksmith to open it as quick as possible (we know what happens then :-/ ). Que sera sera.
I need to make a video basically talking about the evolution from when Bosnian Bill was taking on challenge lock makers on his channel when he was doing like a giveaway. things have progressed and evolved since then and I do need to make a video and hopefully we can settle upon a set of rules when given a challenge lock
Hey sir do you and put it out there for all to see. That's what this is for!
Well said J👍🏼
thank you sir, it seems like I've misinterpreted the extent of the situation. I had took it and perceived it as someone being bullied. but still if a challenge like maker request a certain type of attack not to be used on their lock then it needs to be said.
Company makes a shit lock. Consumer buys shit lock, gets their stuff stolen. Consumer blames theft on people on YT for exposing how shit commercial locks are. Tale as old as time.
Rent from the storage place that pays an employee to watch the gate.
I dig it, why there's rules and beat practices, but in that what you have said, that there's going to be a criminal element that's going to interject itself. That is the ugly truth, temptation is every where and that's why there's a respect, responsibility, as well rules and guidelines are put in place. each has their purpose and moral applications.
A legit user/owner of said lock, from a certain manufacturer sales product top dollar, claims that it's high security and quality that you should have no worries about criminal mischief and can sleep well.
the company has a bogus rating system, the lock fails to be secure at all and the customer fell victim to false advertisement and then owner should know how secure it is, what's the best use for that lock to secure and also allow potential buyers know if it's a good product or not a good reputable product to secure particular items.
there's going to be gray area, but how much really has to be there?
you have mentioned a valid point, but even before CZcams, there was information in books, mentions in movies and TV shows.
I'm just trying to keep it fun, legal and respectable.
@@j.gabriel8573 I think we do the same thing with our information security. We have all these data breaches but take it for granted that Target and Home Depot and Walmart are using secure servers, and weirdly think it's okay that the specifications of those servers are kept entirely secret and can't be audited or compared.
When you buy a fence it's your right to see if the gaps between the rails are smaller or larger than a sheep. It should be your right to know if a lock works, or if the guest password on your bank's server is still enabled.
I for one appreciate your delivery style. And LPL's. You're right, people tend to be no fun or "way too much fun" on some topics.
No black ball coming from me J. If it’s fun to rake, by all means have fun.
your raking it can be fun. it seems like though challenge locks is not the best to be raking but more or less your stock locks and factory locks. My best to you, and happy picking as well as raking and whatever else
There seems to be drama here that goes right over my head. I've not seen lockpickinglawyer "get into trouble" and my googling skills have failed to turn up any evidence of it. I've even found the video of him picking the lock on his own car (a Ford Explorer) but it's still up after 2 years, so presumably hasn't caused a problem.
it happened about more about 3 yrs ago. I remember that it was a thing that got some unnecessary flak stirred up so it was removed to appease the ones who had issues with it. it wasn't up too long before removal.
I figured I'd come back to this comment, it happened probably around about 2020. I remember hearing about it from a few sources but I never saw the video and I just heard about him catching flags so I probably shouldn't have mentioned it but given a situation was just trying to make a point that some things can get a little bit out of hand in the community but there's gray area needed and really when it comes to challenge lock etiquette there needs to be a set ground rules and a lot less gray area. with that. I'm hoping that the next time he pays a visit to picking time that I'm there cuz I want to ask him about this so I really know firsthand about it and not going by what was being spread throughout the community during that time. I hope that everything's going well for you, and my best to you.
I rake.
I might just sub to you because you tell people to go DIAF if they don't like your content. Joke them if they can't take a f*ck. I assume that since LPL is in my history, YT is showing me your content. For the record, a couple of years ago, I got the Sparrows Revolver 6 pin practice lock kit (you can pin 4 sets of pin varieties per key) with a ton of tools and extra pins. I have gotten HOURS of fun with that thing. I have no interest in lockpicking per se, but the intricacy and mechanical design. That said, I can pick the shit out of security pins now. Practice makes the process make sense - not really easier.
well, if I actually get finished with these last few challenge locks. I got to make some pins for a buddy of mine who has made some cutaway Master Lock 19s that I gave away in a secret giveaway that I held. he has one that I am going to make some pins for. if you got a pair of calipers and able to give me a diameter but I still have this cutaway sparrow's lock which probably has the same tolerances that I can use and create you some pins for your revolver if you like. are you on discord?
@@j.gabriel8573 No. I used to be, but I shy away from any tech that has the ability to spy on me and sell my information. I do use Signal on my cellular device, but aside from CZcams and a few 3D printing forums, I stay under the radar as much as possible. I do have an email that is listed in my YT about section. I respond quickly to that email and I also use a proton email address for more privacy but that address is kept separate from my YT profile. No, I am not a "boomer" because I am only 53. I "AM", however a Luddite in some ways. One with some average technology knowledge. I'm a former service technician that worked on fueling dispensers, tanks, level monitoring and POS system in gas stations.
Love ya buddy and well said
thank you brother, appreciate you and All who feels the same way as I do about the situation. nobody should be bullied and threatened to not receive a challenge lock again because they raked of POS challenge lock that had standard pins in it. hoping
@j.gabriel8573 hahaha listen my exact words were....i make my cls...no one will tell me who i cant send them to and if ever they do ill send that person 3 instead of 1 🤣😂 my only time id ever have an issue w it and refuse to send one is if i found out someone was selling them
@jonholistik dude this has given me insomnia and it's keeping me up. this really honestly bothers me
If you dont have the skill you dont.. Try knitting then?!
I want to redo my reply, no. basically factory locks and stock locks are excellent for rocking and raking and everything else. as I've gotten more input and everything. Dad, some challenge locks out. there are just not made for raking and straight up the challenge. a single pin picking. I have some out there that are meant for single pin picking, but I tried to build a majority of them a little bit more robust for people who want to try and rake which parking much isn't going to help for the most part when it comes to a lot of my locks. I appreciate you watching and I hope you don't really have a bad idea about me. I've been going through a lot here lately and trying to pick up the pieces. I hope this message finds you well and I hope you are at a good point in your life. My best to you
@@j.gabriel8573 I started "Lockpicking" , ie: Raking,bumping,Rocking,snapping. THEN i "grew up" and realized what things really were and how things work "properly". Im frankly ashamed now, i considered myself a "lockpicker" THEN. Since.. i realized you could pretty much, teach a chimp any of those methods and they could replicate it as well. I NOW think, its more fair to call that a lock "manipulator" . Really NOT, on the same scale as SPP'ing a Sargent and Greenleaf military padlock. If you can do those or similar type stuff, then i think its fair to consider yourself a "Lockpicker". I see it kind of like.. stolen Valor. I DIDNT have the skill then and near was ready to take up knitting!
Fortunately.. i was able to push past to the other side as it were and be able to do it, the longer harder but.. "more honorable" way.
I mean clearly, depends on the task at hand, sometimes.. thats the way, to just be done with it and move on! But... Hard to have much "pride" in it! (IMO) Kind of like taking the stickers off a rubiks cube and placing them according to how you WANT them to be! Ya well, i guess you "solved it", but.... Whats the point of a "challenge lock" if your not willing to actually DO the challenge. Im not picking on YOU particularly, same goes for Bob,Steve,Mike,Dave,etc.. sorry if you thought that, thats just how i feel on it NOW, i didnt back then though,rough n dirty counted,scorrrrres! lol. I hope this message finds you well and I hope you are at a good point in your life. My best to you, AS WELL ! 🍻