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There are so many protestant denominations which are very accepting, why would you not just leave the CRC?

Not surprising given the context. Corbin attended Notre Dame (a well known Catholic school) and has talked about converting people to Catholism. She's also young and it's surprising how young people seem to have blinders on when it comes to their actions on social media. Hopefully Corbin has learned from her mistakes. If she does it again, she should be removed from the team.

Thank you for your well thought out and articulated analysis of this controversy. My heart’s prayer is LGBTQIA+ Christians will remain committed to who God made them to be no matter what others say or think, but also remain in deep relationship with God. I pray that they will not be pressured by “the church” or the gay community to forsake the God who formed them and loves them, and walks beside them - just like they are. There are churches that believe that all who believe in the saving grace of Jesus can be full participants and fully serve. I go to one of those churches. Thank you for your videos. They uplift me and give me hope. PS: Love your outtakes!

Always love your insights!

You can't be a Christian and GAY can't. U just cant

No Metropolitan Community Church?

I had never seen any of your content before, but you two spoke very clearly and candidly on the topic. Thank you both for your opinion.

I appreciate your commentary on this situation. It's mature and nuanced. It's also generous.

I haven't gotten any of your videos for a year.

Yay, you're back! Makes my heart happy to see your vids. Such good points as always. What do you think are some ways that us LGBTQ Christians can reach out to church members that are struggling to love people who are different? How can we break down the stereotypes on which they justify their harmful behavior/reactions/statements? I always love flipping things around on them. Go against the preconceptions/expectations they have, and do exactly what they don't expect.

To me it's completely mystifying why anybody with the least self-respect would want to be part of a church like that. The fact that some (not all) Christians struggle with not judging despite obvious advice from their bible "do not judge lest you be judged" etc, etc, blah, blah, blah is absolutely extraordinary to me as practicing Hindu in a legacy christian country! Furthermore and even more to the point is the fact that a great many Christian denominations following the LIBERAL CHRISTIAN TRADITION ALREADY PERFORM SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND SO IT'S PROBABLY A HELL OF A LOT EASIER FOR THOSE GAY CHRISTIANS, etc to join those Christian communities from the get go and bypass the rest and just NOT get involved in THEIR DRAMAS and THEIR STRUGGLES! Go where you're best treated! By contrast in the Vedic/Sanatana Dharma/Hindu tradition their is absolutely no prohibition against Gay relationships and USA Mandirs (Hindu Temples) perform same sex marriage ceremonies and very much encourage full acceptance of sexual minorities. Not all Mandirs in all parts of the world take the same view and so sexual minorities may well be faced with having to look elsewhere if their needs are not accommodated more locally. It will be interesting to see how Mandirs in THAILAND respond to the new Same Sex Marriage laws coming into effect there this October 2024!

Never heard of it, thanks

Thanks for highlighting this book! I read it in the past year and so appreciated learning from it. I’m always happy to see a new video pop up from you!

Adding this book to my cart now. Thank you both so much for bringing it to my attention. I so appreciate the content you're putting up and hearing your thoughts.

amazing work, ladies!!! keep it up! God is loving and i'm pretty sure most "christians" are not going to Heaven!! so much judgement!

Heaven does not accept your views ,repent the Holy Spirit can change you

The church which is the people, need to be faithful to God's written word and His design for our lives. We need to preach the truth with grace, love and kindness.

So the arc was Romy went from openly homophobic to being quietly homophobic. That's the author's understanding of what it means to accept us Alphabet Mafia people? Can't say I am surprised. The author's other book Blade Silver was equally awful. As someone who had those struggles it was insulting to be told I just needed Jesus. Love the review ladies! And love from an Ace Christian <3

Congrats on your engagements Joey and Dana! Keep doing what you're doing from an Ace Christian! "It says it explicitly in the Bible!" If Conservative Christians actually took the tine to read their own Bible in the correct historical context they'd know that. But of course they won't. Because research and thinking is too hard for them. When read in the proper historical context, the passage against homosexuality were referring to male rape, not loving consensual homosexual relationships or any other LGBT relationships as we know them today. Thousands of animals exhibit homosexual behavior for a reason like strengthening pair bonds. It's clear that God created homosexuality because He saw it as good and that the wide array of human sexuality(providing everyone is consensual or no one is being hurt as in my case as well sex isn't on my radar.) showcases God's glory. So glad you're posting again!

As an Ace Christian, I say the time is now!

Watching this as a Christian and someone LGBTQ+ was so eye opening about some of the toxic things people think and say because of religion. Thanks for making this 🙏❤️

Oh mannn I read so many books in this series as a teenager! Pitch Black fucked me up so bad. I won't be able to watch this video because of my own religious trauma about being secretly gay in a church that vocally called gay people pedophiles. But damn, blast from the past! I read Dark Blue, Deep Green, Torch Red, Pitch Black, Faded Denim, Moon White, and Harsh Pink. They were all at my Christian high school's library. Please, if you're interested in talking about other books from this series, try Moon White! It's about the dangers of wicca, lol.

I really love the issues you raise, but this book is unworthy of any reviews.

I burst out laughing most of the video, I love the review of a super problematic book that the other didn’t read, and their live reaction to the insanity of it. Hilarious stuff

Hey, trans woman here. Just wanted to say thank you for this. This book was used as a recourse to "convert" me. While I completely respect Jackie and feel for her story, I think the way people use this book is wrong. Completely agree with your opinions. Thank you so much.

The bible says homosexuality is sin. Jesus said homosexuality is sin, God says homosexuality is sin. Yawll not special...yawll need to repent just like anybody else committing sexual sin.smh

You two are more than welcome to come to Radical Grace Church, 600 Lafayette Ave NE. We are CRC, but not in practice.

Revelation 21:8 (ESV) But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” But God demonstrates His love for us, in that while we were still (the “s” word) Christ died for us. He looked down to us, wicked, unworthy. He adopts us eternally. The Lord knows those who are His. Let those who name the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Yaaayyyy!! You're back :) Such a wonderful chat as always. And intersex visibility, too. You are both the best! Listen to them ya'll. This book is great! Also, everyone who watches this should subscribe.

They actually get this wrong. That’s not what side a or side b is

am the bible

Fantastic book review of a vital book! These conversations are so important. I really appreciate that you're elevating the voices and theology of trans* Christians. Keep up the great work, you two!

Hey y'all! Just so we're on the same page, we will be removing any transphobic comments. If you finish this video with unanswered questions, it's time to go check out Transforming! 😄

5:29... why? thinking and doing is the same with God... Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Hi Joey and Dana, been watching a couple of your videos recently. You two seem like really genuine and open, so I was wondering what you think of passages like Romans 1 where it seems that God is saying that homosexual relations are unnatural. Best, Derek

are you both sisters????

Just came by accident to your channel after searching for Heavenly Burdens by Bridget Eileen Rivera. I love your content (also as a straight guy) and how happy you are when pressing the car horn in the beginning of your videos. I am absolutely sure god loves you whoever you love. ❤

Lifeless and dead is a very Christian term! Paul speaks those words all the time we are al dead to sin. (I AM DEAD TO SIN) yet everyday I am renewed by the Spirit and so I must flea those sins and temptations and cling to Jesus the true giver of life because a life of sin is a life of death.

I don't think Jackie is saying there can be absolutely no overlap in (and pardon my terminology) the lgbtq2+ community and God. God is a God of love but He is NOT a God of acceptance. I believe anger is wrong, I believe watching porn is wrong, I believe gossiping and slandering is wrong and even though I do those sins God still loves me. But that doesn't mean He wants me to gossip and slander. God loves me but He still wants me to fight those sinful desires. And often times I don't want to. So yes God can be evident in an LGBQ2+ community but that does not mean He accepts it means He loves you and he wants you to run away from it and He is going to help you. That doesn't mean we never stumble in sin and by no means is someone going to hell because they are a homosexual. I may not be homosexual but I still have sins that I live in and don't want to give up. Yet the part of God's redeeming grace is that even when I stumble God still loves me and wants to help me. It seems a harsh reality and it seems that a lot of Christians slander the LGBTQ2+ community. I do not support the community myself but every person is loved by God and while I my not accept the fact that someone is indulging in homosexuality I will not shun them because I'm no better or worse then them. They are loved by God just as much as I am and Jesus sacrifice is there for them just as much as it is for me. So to conclude I think what Jackie is saying is that by indulging in homosexuality you are in a world of sin. And truthfully we cannot serve 2 masters we will ether hate one and love the other or vice versa. But humanity (and I am no exception to this) loves to try serve sin and God and although sin seems appealing. God is the only true place of freedom. So yes God loves the people in the LGBTQ2+ community but He does not support their cause because that is not how God created man to be. Perhaps my words sound harsh but regardless of what I say or anyone believes. WE ALL SIN!! But Jesus dies for ALL. And there is only one way to salvation and that I through Christ which means as enjoyable as sin can be only true freedom is found in Jesus Christ and we must flee our sins. EVERY SIN!! B/c no one is perfect and we all deserve hell but Jesus saves all that believe in Him (John 3:16)

I recommend you both listen to Rosaria Butterfield about being a lesbian.

Just now finding this, and want to thank you both for your breakdown. This was wonderfully worded, and kind, and helpful, and thoughtful. 😊

Do you pick up your cross and follow God or you chose what's comfortable for your life and put Jesus into the box? I love you guys that's why I'm telling you Bible states it clearly, homosexuality is a sin.

The CRC upheld the Heidelberg confession. God bless them. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. We are all sinners. You two girls and me included. The church is not a showcase but a bodyshop for all of us. That is why we need a church to help us live by God's word.

Why not return to your European pagan roots? After all, you are two White women colonizing a Middle Eastern religion: Christianity. Your tribe has tried and failed to colonize the world to spread White Christianity by force and might either via empire building (Dutch East India company-capitalism) or wars (human rights-Vietnam; Iraq; Iran; Libya; Afghanisthan). Leave Christianity to the Africans, Brazilians, and Asians. Return to your pagan gods. Jesus was and is a Jew.

Im gay, I love God and I also love Jackie’s book. One thing you girls need to remember is that all our experiences, outlook, cultures and faiths are different. Thats what makes everyone unique. She wrote a book sharing how she feels, her views, and journey, if you dont like it fine but you are doing too much with your vid. Let people choose what they want, youre so entitled you had to make a video against a black woman’s decisions 🙄. You dont own her or any other lesbian minority who thinks differently. Do better.

This was super helpful, guys, thanks 👍👍👍

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I definitely think that this conversation should be happening and all our ideas should be allowed to be debated in the public square, kind of like how Paul took a lot of opportunities to reason with Jews and Gentiles during his travels. Question for you two: As professing Christians who lean on the affirming side, could you share why you’re getting your definitions on homosexuality from secular sources and not from the word of God? To be frank, the way that I see it, it’s almost the same as saying, “God, I know that You made me, but these people that You also made who don’t even align themselves with You know better than You about my desires and my heart. Yes, yes, I’m aware that You created them also, but they’re professionals. I think that they know better. This is what modern science is saying.” Is there a consistent way that you can reconcile your Christian profession with God’s incontrovertible stance on what secular culture calls an identity? As Christians, the ground we’re standing on should be God’s word in everything, not what the world says or what a particular author says. I get challenged on this a lot, personally. If there’s some part of our lives that doesn’t align with what God says, doesn’t it have to go? I’m not saying that we don’t struggle with temptations. Sin is a daily battle for the believer, but through Christ we can have power over our sins, even victory. The problem is that many people don’t want to call homosexuality a sin even in the visible church, partly because of Bible teachers who don’t teach the whole counsel of God, but also because of our own fallen biases. If we were in the congregation together and I said, “Hey Joey/Dana, I don’t know if this is a problem, but I’ve loved fighting for as long as I can remember. I can’t help it. It’s the way that I am. I’m drawn to fights.” If you then told me, “Hey, don’t worry about it. You’re just a fighting Christian. God made you in His image, so starting fights is okay. It’s part of your identity. Christ doesn’t want you to change. Be who you are.” That doesn’t work when you give the Bible an honest reading. What tends to happen is that verses get taken out of context like the ones that you used. Maybe you’ll tell me, “Love does no harm to its neighbor?” I’d hope you’d point me to what God says about assault, murder, or even the anger from which murder issues forth (Matthew 5:22), since He made us and knows what’s best for us. Granted this analogy is a lot easier to make because it’s separate from the topic of sexuality, but the principle of conforming our hearts and minds to God’s word is the same. Violence is genuinely an activity that somebody can love doing but that stems from sin when done for the wrong reasons. Still, if we can’t call it sin without people getting offended, there’s a particular sin excluded from what Jesus died to save us from. In other words, Jesus died to save us from our lying, blasphemy, idolatry, murder, etc… just not that (name the sin). If the rich young ruler was told, “Keep your stuff. That’s your treasure. No need to let go of it.” he would’ve gone away rejoicing (though condemned). What is really problematic is telling people who are engaging in an activity that God clearly defines as a sinful activity, not an identity, that it’s alright. That’s causing believers who struggle with these desires to stumble (Luke17:2). Yes, I know I have brothers and sisters in Christ who are struggling with same-sex desires, and I’ve got my own temptations that I need prayer for. My flesh would love to hear that what I’m doing is okay, but tell me the truth from what God calls the truth (John 17:17) and I’ll appreciate it more. He says the things He says out of love for us, not to be a buzzkill. It’s for our good. As much as it hurts my self esteem, God will see the humility and give grace (James 4:6). Brokenness is a good thing for sinners, because it’s God Himself who heals our wounds. Psalm 51 is a prime example. The corrupted gospel that you’re promoting is doing more harm than the good that you say you’re doing for people. It allows for no true brokenness over sin, and calls evil good. God will not hold you guiltless. Please repent and put your faith in the true Christ, not the idol you’ve made out of Him. If you think I’m wrong, then please tell me why and where God says it. The apostle Paul commended the Bereans in Acts 17:11 for searching the Scriptures to see if his preaching was true. If you would find something that tells me I’m wrong about this (not taken out of context), I’ll submit to God’s word. I hope anyone else would put such a high value on God’s truth. It’s really hard to write this to you. I want to talk, but I’m worried about how it will be received. More than any of this, though, I don’t want to lie to you. I don’t want to lie to anybody, especially knowing that God heard what I said to you. Could I just encourage you to confront the presupposed bias against God’s clear instruction in His word to suit your preferences? It seems that you want to have the conversation, which is great. I’m all for it. I think both sides of the debate should be submitting to the clear teaching of Scripture and God’s revelation of His identity. How does Ephesians 5’s teaching on marriage not get obliterated by your interpretation of what Jesus sees as loving? How does Genesis, and Jesus’ own interpretation of the created order in Genesis (Matthew 19:4), for that matter?

jackie’s awesome. She’s biblically sound and loves and FEARS the lord! no that does not mean she is afraid of the lord but to fear him is to love him and know him as the authority figure of your life. Like your parents. God is the father who will love you in the purest most endless way your parents will never be able to amount to in loving you. As yes, an ex gay man, I don’t need to be affirmed or accepted by anyone tip toeing around the subject of Jesus loving the LGBT. That’s who I WAS. When I gave my life back to him I gave him everything, all of my identity. You pick up your cross and follow him daily! I don’t need to be picked up by any man, by any woman, by any community, or even the church. My soul and heart belongs to JESUS and it is so well and held so perfectly by him. Why would I entertain something and continue to speak life into something he's called me out of? (edit: I just came into the part where you guys both agreed on how you don’t believe homosexuality is a sin at all 😖. Guys come on! Hate the sin & love the sinner of course but don’t be so comfortable you miss Jesus gospel! I’m going to say this out of love but it’s HIS words and warning to all of us! “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”. Read the gospels guys, ask his spirit to make you uncomfortable. He is not of the world!

The Bible is primarily story, and story accepts different interpretations. That's how stories convey meaning in rich and varied ways. Arguing about interpretations is blood sport -- the victims have been women, Black people, people of color, indigenous people, and now Queer people (to name a few groups of people). Theologians must shoulder much of the blame for this state of affairs, but they slough it off like it doesn't matter. They could call out the dangers of their profession, but instead they use it to bolster their own little theological empires (built on sand). It's arrogance and ignorance at work. Shame on them, and shame on us for listening so hard to ideas that hurt people. Joey and Dana, thanks for your efforts on this channel, but I don't expect to see change in your community until the head count of the crc is around 50 people, and even then they will be fighting. There's a big beautiful world out there and I encourage people to liberate themselves from the madness. (All of this without chapter and verse.)

U look both good