Thank you, Marley. I'm a painting contractor in Oregon and have had one of these for 25 years as a backup and for oil primers and such. Never had a problem with mine and didn't know they were oil filled nor how simple. Thanks again!
Okay, so I have now replaced the diaphram, thank you for the advice, and I've reassembled the unit but it still doesn't pump. Do I need adjust anything? Do I need to replace something else. Cheers!
question more than a comment. I have a 425 and need to order a new hose but have read that wagners have odd hose nipple sizes. What is the size spec for the wagner 425 hose connection?
I am really hooked up on your videos. Can you please tell us if there is a way to check the pressure valve and the pressure the piston is building ? In the case lets say that it was not building up the proper pressure after the rebuild. Keep up the nice work .
Ali, question from the US. I have the Titan version of this sprayer (ED655 Plus). I spray my carpentry projects and have a need to go between oil and water based paints. I've read it's not recommended to use multiple types of paints (oil, water, shellac...) in a sprayer, but to have multiple sprayers one dedicated to each type....can't afford that. If I had a separate hose and gun for each type of paint, would this sprayer function well doing that? Watching you take this apart, there really doesn't appear to be much on the inside of the head that could get junked up using different paints & cleaners. Thanks for your time.
Hi Garth, if you need to use the 1 unit, its best to use a seperate gun and hose for the water and oil based materials, thatll give you the ability to flush the pump much quicker as well as avoid contamination. You might also want to consider using a hopper for quicker cleaning. Take Care.
Hello Marley, you gave a lots of good information. I have a Wagner 404 plus spray paint. after painting my double and a single garage doors died. I cleaned everything..... the piston is not not scratch or the walls of the sleeve. filled out with Titan coolflow hydraulic oil, the piston and bearing is working properly is filled with hydraulic oil. new diahragm, valve loose, ball cleaned. the piston goes up and down, some fluid there but not enough to even move the diaphragm. I can not do what you did by pouring the oil and watch to circulate, because this model has a slanted cover in one side and you can not have any liquid oil there. I think that circulates, but pressure does not built. Is this hydraulic oil too thin ? do I need a higher viscosity? Please help!
Put covers back on and seal up the unit, remove inlet valve, start unit, turn pressure controller up and monitor the diaphragm from the hole that the inlet vlve sits in, if diaphragm moves more and less as you turn pressure dial up and down, then there s no problem in the hydraulics, what you should also do is remove outlet valve, then the seal underneath it, look at the metal housing under theseal, if there is any injection then the pump head will need replacing. Hope this helps Ali
...if they sprayed the outside of this units, with some kind of spray, or what we used in computer industry was to cover electronic equipment with something like Armour All, it keeps the exterior clean. Things will not stick permanently 👌
Hi,I have Wagner sprayer like that , when I stop spraying for a moment the sprayer shudders and cuts out,I have to switch it to prime to get it started, any ideas what could be wrong ?
What do you think about the wagner 525? Someone has one for sale really cheap and was thinking about buying it just for primer furniture. Any good of a sprayer?
Arli - does a project 115 have same principle with piston etc.?? I notice that my inlet valve is a direct gravity feed over the top of piston slide mechanism.. My motor seems loud (like a squeal). Piston moves fine. Is there a lubrication section for these? or a dry pump? thanks
Hi marty, yes its what called a single stroke piston, similar to the Graco handheld pumps. They are a dry setup, lubricated by the actual material, the noise is most likely because it has a very fast revving motor, id strongly recommend you switch to the HEA spray tips, it'll save you a lot of materialand extend the life if the little pump
I've taken the head off to replace a bad diaphram but, it's stuck. When I tried to pry it off the center seemed to be under spring tension but it won't come off.
Hi, my friend. I have a Wagner finish 230 and have seen you repair one. I am looking to service mine but cannot seem to get the parts in the UK. Probably because it's considered obsolete. You seem to be able to get them in Australia. Do you know where I could get them in Europe. Many thanks.
Really nice work man . I was given a wagner w1300 which is a similar pump and I have the problem that it only builds up to 100 bar and not more .checked the valves and they are ok. What else can it be? Something with the hydraulics maybe ?
You can try to reset the hydraulic pressure. Disconnect the plastic cover on the pressure control, use a flat screwdriver and turn it forward more. Your pressure should not exceed 2500 psi. Also check if you have a leak in your return hose. If so replace the prime/spray switch.
@@westsprayairless8763 I did like you said and I can set the pressure higher now. How high should the highest setting be set to ? It seems that its dropping quite a bit when I pull the trigger of the gun with a 517 tip . Is that normal ? Should I top up the oil with hydraulic oil 15 or 46 like a shop here told me ? Thank you in advance for all the insight you provide .
Maximum tip size should be 515, maximum psi is 2500. If you have a new tip and the pressure builds very slowly then you'll need to replace the outlet ball and seat. Also I recommend you only use hea or fine finish tips, these operate with lower pressure than the standard yellow tips
Thanks you for getting back to me and the advice much appreciated, I have the Wagner f230 aircoat and just got by chance the 435 which looks like it has not been used much, I have clean it out and tested the inlet and outlet valves all seems good fingers crossed it will work out well I know these are old machines but I do love the diaphragm sprays once again thanks
Hey man!One question if you can help me.I have an Wagner 2600H hidraulic airless pump that uses diaphragm.I have one problem,if i use the paint as in the bucket not very thick...the pump doesnt deliver it fast enough at the pressure i want it.Say for example i spray at 180 bar when i spray the pressure drops below 100 in few seconds...and then gets up once a release the trigger but it goes up too slow...its like the pump cant ensure the volume of paint i need....If i thin the paint very much then this problem goes away,pressure only drops to 150 and stay there all the time i spray,when i release the trigger goes to 180 bars fast...Why cant my pump ensure the volum of paint i need?On the inlet valve a have a spring and a nut screw...what doest that screw do?can I adjust something from there?the pump is in very good condition.thanks!
It can be one of two things, firstly is a worn spray tip or too big a tip size, secondly wear and tear which will require a service, however i recommend changing your spray tip first.
@@westsprayairless8763 one thing...Wagner recomends their hidraulic oil which is divinol HVI 15..but i cant find this oil here...only on barrels of 20 Liters...can you help me with something equivalent to that from another brand?
Hello. The Tecnover instructions recommended running hydraulic oil if the sprayer goes in to storage. What oil would you use for this purpose please? Thank you.
Hi Ali, I just got a Wagner AirCoat which has almost the same pump….not being used to the Diaphragm pumps noise they produce I opened it up to inspect the oil level and in the process a little bit spilled….so level is like a 1/4 inch at the most below the top….is that a problem and should I buy more to complete it? Thanks!
@@alielhaouli7418 Thank you Ali, I have another issue with this new to me sprayer…. I’m getting fluid on the gun even when is on prime at the valve…still primes and builds pressure but the pressure also is wobbly and I don’t know if the drop showing on the video I’m attaching is normal using a 311 tip. Thanks in advance Ali! czcams.com/users/shortsRITwMglQPWc?feature=share
Thank you, Marley. I'm a painting contractor in Oregon and have had one of these for 25 years as a backup and for oil primers and such. Never had a problem with mine and didn't know they were oil filled nor how simple.
Thanks again!
Fellow Oregonian here and that’s great to hear. I’ll be buying one tomorrow to compliment my 15 yr old 440i. Love a tool that lasts 👍
Nicely done sir. Thank you
Great video
Good job dude.. very informative
Okay, so I have now replaced the diaphram, thank you for the advice, and I've reassembled the unit but it still doesn't pump. Do I need adjust anything? Do I need to replace something else. Cheers!
question more than a comment. I have a 425 and need to order a new hose but have read that wagners have odd hose nipple sizes. What is the size spec for the wagner 425 hose connection?
I am really hooked up on your videos.
Can you please tell us if there is a way to check the pressure valve and the pressure the piston is building ? In the case lets say that it was not building up the proper pressure after the rebuild.
Keep up the nice work .
Add a pressure gauge to your hose, that way you can always monitor whats happening. Im glad your'e enjoying the videos.
Thanks ali we learn many things from you all the best..
Did you have shop or branch in Sydney thanks again
Ali, question from the US. I have the Titan version of this sprayer (ED655 Plus). I spray my carpentry projects and have a need to go between oil and water based paints. I've read it's not recommended to use multiple types of paints (oil, water, shellac...) in a sprayer, but to have multiple sprayers one dedicated to each type....can't afford that. If I had a separate hose and gun for each type of paint, would this sprayer function well doing that? Watching you take this apart, there really doesn't appear to be much on the inside of the head that could get junked up using different paints & cleaners. Thanks for your time.
Hi Garth, if you need to use the 1 unit, its best to use a seperate gun and hose for the water and oil based materials, thatll give you the ability to flush the pump much quicker as well as avoid contamination. You might also want to consider using a hopper for quicker cleaning. Take Care.
@@westsprayairless8763 Thanks
Hello Marley, you gave a lots of good information. I have a Wagner 404 plus spray paint. after painting my double and a single garage doors died. I cleaned everything..... the piston is not not scratch or the walls of the sleeve. filled out with Titan coolflow hydraulic oil, the piston and bearing is working properly is filled with hydraulic oil. new diahragm, valve loose, ball cleaned. the piston goes up and down, some fluid there but not enough to even move the diaphragm. I can not do what you did by pouring the oil and watch to circulate, because this model has a slanted cover in one side and you can not have any liquid oil there. I think that circulates, but pressure does not built. Is this hydraulic oil too thin ? do I need a higher viscosity? Please help!
Put covers back on and seal up the unit, remove inlet valve, start unit, turn pressure controller up and monitor the diaphragm from the hole that the inlet vlve sits in, if diaphragm moves more and less as you turn pressure dial up and down, then there s no problem in the hydraulics, what you should also do is remove outlet valve, then the seal underneath it, look at the metal housing under theseal, if there is any injection then the pump head will need replacing. Hope this helps
Ali
...if they sprayed the outside of this units, with some kind of spray, or what we used in computer industry was to cover electronic equipment with something like Armour All, it keeps the exterior clean. Things will not stick permanently 👌
Are you talking about Armor All Spray Protectant for cars?
Hi,I have Wagner sprayer like that , when I stop spraying for a moment the sprayer shudders and cuts out,I have to switch it to prime to get it started, any ideas what could be wrong ?
Hi mate, im not sure. If you can send a video to info@westspray.com.au then i might be able to shed some light on the subject for you.
What do you think about the wagner 525? Someone has one for sale really cheap and was thinking about buying it just for primer furniture. Any good of a sprayer?
Hi, I'm not familiar with that model
How did you remove the prime/spray Kobe? It has a spring clip and I cant seem to over power it. Still trying. Any suggestions? Thanks
There are 2 versions, one has a nut and the other uses push clamps, the push clamps can't be removed without damaging the whole switch.
Arli - does a project 115 have same principle with piston etc.??
I notice that my inlet valve is a direct gravity feed over the top of piston slide mechanism..
My motor seems loud (like a squeal). Piston moves fine.
Is there a lubrication section for these? or a dry pump?
thanks
Hi marty, yes its what called a single stroke piston, similar to the Graco handheld pumps. They are a dry setup, lubricated by the actual material, the noise is most likely because it has a very fast revving motor, id strongly recommend you switch to the HEA spray tips, it'll save you a lot of materialand extend the life if the little pump
I've taken the head off to replace a bad diaphram but, it's stuck. When I tried to pry it off the center seemed to be under spring tension but it won't come off.
Hi mate, put it on a vice, and knock it out via the inlet valve hole,
@@westsprayairless8763 Thank you very much.
Hi, my friend. I have a Wagner finish 230 and have seen you repair one. I am looking to service mine but cannot seem to get the parts in the UK. Probably because it's considered obsolete. You seem to be able to get them in Australia. Do you know where I could get them in Europe. Many thanks.
Sorry no idea in Europe, however your Wagner service centre should be able to order them in for you.
Does anyone have any idea what clamp he's using at 2:50? Went to auto store and they had no idea what it was...
that is a valve spring clamp used when doing a valve job on heads on a car.
Really nice work man .
I was given a wagner w1300 which is a similar pump and I have the problem that it only builds up to 100 bar and not more .checked the valves and they are ok. What else can it be? Something with the hydraulics maybe ?
You can try to reset the hydraulic pressure. Disconnect the plastic cover on the pressure control, use a flat screwdriver and turn it forward more. Your pressure should not exceed 2500 psi. Also check if you have a leak in your return hose. If so replace the prime/spray switch.
@@westsprayairless8763
I did like you said and I can set the pressure higher now. How high should the highest setting be set to ? It seems that its dropping quite a bit when I pull the trigger of the gun with a 517 tip . Is that normal ? Should I top up the oil with hydraulic oil 15 or 46 like a shop here told me ? Thank you in advance for all the insight you provide .
Maximum tip size should be 515, maximum psi is 2500. If you have a new tip and the pressure builds very slowly then you'll need to replace the outlet ball and seat. Also I recommend you only use hea or fine finish tips, these operate with lower pressure than the standard yellow tips
@@westsprayairless8763
Thank you for the reply . Shall I use 15 or 46 hydraulic oil to fill up the pump ? Many thanks.
I would only use the Wagner oil. Any Wagner/Titan service agent sells it in 1 litre bottles.
What's the torque wrench setting at?
30nm for the head bolts
Hi, how do yo know when the hydraulic oil is low and needs topping up on these sprayers
If there is a visible leak only, also dont top up the oil, best to remove and replace the oil, mixing old and new oil is not good practice.
Thanks you for getting back to me and the advice much appreciated, I have the Wagner f230 aircoat and just got by chance the 435 which looks like it has not been used much, I have clean it out and tested the inlet and outlet valves all seems good fingers crossed it will work out well I know these are old machines but I do love the diaphragm sprays once again thanks
Hey man!One question if you can help me.I have an Wagner 2600H hidraulic airless pump that uses diaphragm.I have one problem,if i use the paint as in the bucket not very thick...the pump doesnt deliver it fast enough at the pressure i want it.Say for example i spray at 180 bar when i spray the pressure drops below 100 in few seconds...and then gets up once a release the trigger but it goes up too slow...its like the pump cant ensure the volume of paint i need....If i thin the paint very much then this problem goes away,pressure only drops to 150 and stay there all the time i spray,when i release the trigger goes to 180 bars fast...Why cant my pump ensure the volum of paint i need?On the inlet valve a have a spring and a nut screw...what doest that screw do?can I adjust something from there?the pump is in very good condition.thanks!
It can be one of two things, firstly is a worn spray tip or too big a tip size, secondly wear and tear which will require a service, however i recommend changing your spray tip first.
@@westsprayairless8763 one thing...Wagner recomends their hidraulic oil which is divinol HVI 15..but i cant find this oil here...only on barrels of 20 Liters...can you help me with something equivalent to that from another brand?
Good work. Glad to hear you sorted it ouy
@@ciogon you can order wagner oil #0088009L from your Wagner distributor, these are 1 litre bottles.
Where can I buy those parts? Thanks for the video very helpful
Look up the Wagner or Titan service centre in your area, best to buy local, importing takes too long and costs too much with import taxes
J ai ne pas trouver pression dans la pompe
I will make a video soon showing how to diagnose a diaphragm pump
Great Video. Ever worked on Technover 10000?
Not on the 10000, however all the smaller models yes
Hello. The Tecnover instructions recommended running hydraulic oil if the sprayer goes in to storage. What oil would you use for this purpose please? Thank you.
What type of oil?
We buy the oil from Wagner directly. The part number is 0088009L
Does it matter which oil you put
Yes, its Hydraulic oil, we only use the Wagner oil part# 0088009L
What is the cost for a service like this?
$600 inc, bearing, piston, gasket, diaphragm and oil
Good content sir, do you know torque specs for head bolts? Thanks much
39nM
Hi Ali, I just got a Wagner AirCoat which has almost the same pump….not being used to the Diaphragm pumps noise they produce I opened it up to inspect the oil level and in the process a little bit spilled….so level is like a 1/4 inch at the most below the top….is that a problem and should I buy more to complete it?
Thanks!
it should be fine, once its all reassembled youll know if the oil is too low by the diaphragm not moving. but 1/4" is not a concern
@@alielhaouli7418 Thank you Ali, I have another issue with this new to me sprayer…. I’m getting fluid on the gun even when is on prime at the valve…still primes and builds pressure but the pressure also is wobbly and I don’t know if the drop showing on the video I’m attaching is normal using a 311 tip. Thanks in advance Ali!
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