GAMI STC George Braly interview
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- The FAA has just issued an STC which will allow every spark ignition piston engine aircraft to use the GAMI G100UL unleaded avgas. The no-lead fuel is now approved for high compression, high power engines. We talk with GAMI Chief Engineer George Braly to find out more.
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I have huge admiration for this man. People like him get things done and in the past, they made this nation productive, prosperous and great.
This is absolutely fantastic news! Kudos to GAMI for having the perseverance to get this through the FAA! Now let's get it on the ramp and in our engines!
I think it’s great that he’s talking to us from Mission Control.
Out freaking standing! This couldn't have come soon enough! Being based at Reid Hillview (KRHV), AKA ground zero for the lead fuel ban, I've been increasingly worried that the airport was going to be closed. Now that G100UL will soon be able to be sold and used by all of the aircraft flying around Reid Hillview, it is going to be real hard for the politically biased Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors to justify the closer of the airport.
My sincere thanks to to George Braly and team at Gami. As soon as the STC is available I'll be getting it for our Cessna 310.
So does that mean it will replace the 98UL which is the only option at RHV? I can't get the 94UL STC so I am up the creek.
PS Cindy Chaves is a corrupt politician that that is only using the airport to grease her political career. She will be mayor, and she will just find another excuse to close the airport.
@@scottfranco1962 if you mean UL94 is the only thing sold at RHV right now, you would be correct.
I fly a Cessna 310 out of RHV. A Cessna 310 can't use UL94 and RHV does not sell 100LL. Thus, I now always have to take off with partially filled tanks because RHV does not sell 100LL and what ever fuel I burned to get back to RHV is no longer in the tanks.
The difference with G100UL is all reciprocating engines can now get an STC to use it (that is what this video is about). The only thing we are waiting on is for the G100UL to be available at RHV. More than likely RHV will stop selling UL94 and just sell G100UL when G100UL becomes available.
I hope Cindy Chavez does not win the mayor position. If her attempt to make a name for herself by closing the airport is any example of how she will govern as the mayor, it proves that she will have a corrupt term in office. San Jose does not need another corrupt politician trying to game the system only making decisions good for her career instead of the people of San Jose.
Hail George! As a rotax owner that uses MOGAS, it will be nice to get fuel at many more airports. I cringe at using 100LL in my plane. You Da man George!
@@michaelrice500 I spoke with GAMI. They've said no such thing. And I'm not going to mix it, I'm going to replace it. This fuel is going to work great in my Rotax.
Always fun trying to interview an Engineer.
Hopefully the G100UL will flow thru to every other country as well. I am in Australia, and have been following this issue with great interest.
So many apparent advantages with this fuel. Maybe it is an opportunity for smaller refineries to specialize? We want it NOW!!
Regulatory bodies have put a strangle hold on innovation. Great perseverance by GAMI and those that he named to get this completed.
Great Job and congratulations!
Should of been done along time ago. It’s all political.
George, I have to run. I'm not an active pilot any more, nor am I an aircraft owner. I'm not even one of those 'Greenies.' However, for 12 years, you've watched, you've designed, you've tested, and now you're certified! That is a huge thing, and I congratulate you on it. You are doing all of us a favor. Job VERY WELL DONE!
AOPA should canonize the GAMI test cell/lab in a museum down the road like what was done when a museum moved/recreated Ernest Gann’s writing room in a museum. This is ‘saving’ GA. BFD
Thank you to all involved!!! Job well done.
Thanks George and everyone getting this done!! 🙂
Great news George!! I remembered when you started this when I was still working at Powermaster Aircraft Engines.
Great information! Mr. Braly is really at the top of his game and that of fuel.
Kudos for doing what everyone said couldn't be done!
Thank you George!
Good job!! Finally this is done!
Way to go George!
Congratulations! Way to stay persistent! #BFD
Amazing!
Bravo!
If I could shoot a firework in the shape of a thumbs up, i would do it! This is an outstanding accomplishment!!!
I think George Braly is Santa Clause !!
I’m by looking forward to using it in my Rotax 912ULS. Currently I can use 100LL that is not good for my engine, plugs, and gear box. Or I can use 91 octane auto fuel with 10-15 percent ethanol and risk vapor problems. I’ll be happy to finally have better suited fuel. I don’t mind paying a little more up front.
Thank you very much for the effort, I know many many (if not everyone I know) who would pay extra $$$$ for unleaded, is there anything the pilot community can do to help push things, like talking to FBOs
It occurred to me that this can also help address the mechanics shortage in GA. Lead in fuel is the equivalent to adding sludge and muck to your engine. Back in the 70’s with leaded auto gas, you were lucky to get a 100,000 miles out of your engine. The transmission would easily outlast your engine. Lead contamination is so nasty that it easily defeats the benefits of synthetic oil. No doubt will be less “top end” overhauls and spark plug cleaning. Oil changes can be extended also. Every time I fueled the plane with 100LL i cringed because I knew I was pouring sludge into the engine.
I'm wondering if long term costs might be lower, because G100UL won't be affected by lead-contamination in refining, transfer, storage and transport. You could, for instance, use auto fuel tankers because cross contamination won't be a factor. Bruce Curtis, AOPA member since 1967.
I wish someone would ask Mr Braly about the concerns I've heard of some folks squawking about high temp microwelding of the valve seats causing valve recession without lead as a sacrificial protectant for that interface on some high compression engines that supposedly don't have the hard stellite type valve seats.
Wow, no more stuck and burnt exhaust valves. No more lead sludge! Finally we can rid of the nasty lead in aviation. It was only 40 years too late but better late than never.
George Braly forgets something important when he talks about costs, which is something that I learned working in my 35-year engineering career at Boeing. The energy content in a fuel is proportional to its weight. So that $0.55 to $0.90 per gallon that one will be paying more for will be giving you 5% more energy in each gallon because G100UL is 6.3 lbs/gal as compared to 100LL which is 6.0 lbs/gal. I just looked up the average cost for 100LL in the Pacific Northwest and it is $7.16 per gallon. Using those number the effective increase cost for G100UL is going to be between 3-7% more expensive per gallon. No one likes to pay higher fuel prices but that doesn't seem that bad if there are lower maintenance costs--time between oil changes or extensions for overhauls.
I’m skeptical that there is no drawbacks when we are running $30k plus engines plus the additional cost. When was the last time someone predicted a price increase and it didn’t go up more than the prediction. Not excited
I'm all for G100UL and any other alternatives.
yep i imagine it costs just as much or more but atleast less chance of lead poisoning.
@@supersecretyoutubeaccount it’ll cost more. And no more lead fouling
I think long term benefits will be great. The trick will be getting enough volume out there for mass adoption and not getting squeezed by the higher price. Of course, the EPA will probably regulate 100LL out of existence in short order and no one will have a choice.
BFD indeed !!
About fucking time
Finally, it seems, the Holy Grail has been found!
It’s gone full circle when I first started flying in the 70s all avgas was unleaded. Before automobiles were using unleaded fuels
Huh, It was? Aaw I think you are mistaken.
Our engines will now last longer.
lead = bad! pumped on this
We’ll see.
Great news and congratulations. But can you tell us whatever happen to "World Peace"?
how will this affect fuel flow? is the burn and temps similar to 100LL? will POH's have to be amended to include G100UL use.
Most STCs that affect operation will have an associated AFMS
30 years after getting rid of lead in automobile gasoline, finally!
Never saw anyone who could use so many words to answer a question...but never answer the question! Even the interviewer seemed frustrated and took to answering his own questions.
Need to verify this will work for my unicorn TSIO470R which needs 100LL. Assuming yes then this STC means my airplane has a future.
Christmas 2030 came early. This sounds like a fairly understated title. Should maybe say BFD by the sound of it. Great credit to GAMI for fighting the good fight.
I get the impression that it's just a different additive than the lead ethyl to the same basic fuel and I gather that the lead additive is nasty to work with so one could imagine that the existing producers of 100LL could more or less instantly transition to G100? and since this is less hazardous maybe others could produce it as well. If it takes special refinement to make the base aviation fuel then it would seem obvious to 'encourage' the makers of 100LL to make the transition rather than wait for a new player to supplement. It would seem there is little to no reason to continue to make 100LL. One could go so far as to ban in outright, effective immediately.
Who knew that a little encouragement could make things happen. Imagine what else could be done.
Speaking of which, the distant visitors in their fancy ships is also tied up in obstinate bureaucracy, airforce being the main guilty party. At Wright Patterson. It's inspirational that we have dealt a death blow to leaded fuel and it's a significant day. Imagine the day we get the truth about UF0s as well.
After listening to this I have the feeling it's not just an additive but a different of refining to gather the right fuel at the right stage.
The US Government should be ashamed of themselves for dragging their feet for so long.
This is absolutes awesome. I'm glad you were able to focus on what was really needed and get this done where so many other fuel attempts have gone the way of the Dodo. Will this fuel be safe to use in 2 cycle engines (IE: Hirth F23 or the MZ series 202/203) when mixed with the proper 2 cycle oil added? If so, will the mixture ratio be significantly different?
Shouldn't change a thing in my estimation
Great job! Curious to know, what is the color of the fuel?
Green
@@paulmillner it's amber. When mixed with 100LL it turns green.
Who, which entity, will distribute and sell it?
How do I double like a video?
Can I be your east coast rep?
Does this new fuel look the same as the leaded fuel?
I don't remember what color, but the dye color is different.
G100UL will be green.
Got to know what im putting in my plane before i fly it my life depends on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is the colour of the G100UL fuel, when sold at the pump? Or is it not known yet?
the default seems to be an oily burnt caramel yellow. Not quite as fresh looking as the blue leaded but if the blue is poisonous and the yellow is better for the engines I think we can live with it.
@@DanFrederiksen Thanks. I didn't really see the colour addressed in any of the clips, and got curious when George said that water would be easily visible.
As long as you can tell it apart from jet fuel we will be good.
It will be green.
@@paulmillner In one of Gamis presentation document they say it's amber. It's green when mixed with 100LL.
1) How’s it smell burning?
2) Is the FAA giving up on EAGLE?
This is an excellent move, especially with all the public outcry over leaded avgas. My only hesitation will be that once the STC is available, the oil companies will jack the price up so high it won’t be a viable solution. I understand that the estimate is .50 - 1.00 per gallon, but that is an estimate by someone who has a vested interest in this solution working in the market, not an oil company that has no interest in re-tooling or making small batches of anything when they are making a very limited run product already…. I really hope this works though!!!!
Yay! 09/01/2022 the day pigs started to fly & h e double toothpicks froze over! Lol
I really thought after hearing all the rhetoric it would be at least another ten years for sure.
How is it a success if it cost more than 100LL
It's time to trim that beard, George!
Selling horns to a bull? It’s really not going to cost that much. Hmmm.
Premium auto gas is much more expensive than Regular.
Aviation gasoline is a proprietary product in a boutique fuel market. In a such a market, what happens to price when a second product is introduced? The price of the product increases due to loss of market share, loss of scale.
And, we know nothing of the ingredient source supply. Which ingredient will be first to short-supply? ++$$
Wait and see.
100%
LPG
I think he meant $.50 more than avgas. Would be super nice if it was $.50 more than pump gas.
What color will it be. Please not sky blue.
Amber
I think it’s Gami who is celebrating the most as they will be the wealthiest company in aviation after the ridiculous STC required to simply add the fuel to my plane without doing anything. I can’t believe all of you are okay with this. Every piston engine aircraft owner in America has to pay them! There has definitely been some payoffs for pushing this. I think AOPA folks are in the mix. Sure it is a good thing but the additional cost per gallon is still yet unknown. With The timing of this approval with fuel costs what they are currently we may never know the actual increase on pilots. I don’t look for fuel to come down much during this transition. Gami will make tons on the fuel licensing alone. The STC is ridiculous. Oh and the added bonus it is heavier fuel. Go Gami😡
You have to understand that in some part of the US, 100LL is starting to get removed from the airports. GA is only good for pilots and aircraft owners. Most of the public see us as a noise/pollution nuisance. This STC is a blessing for GA. These guys have been working for 13 years on this, I'm guessing with no revenue out of it yet. The took a risk and now it's time for them to reep the results. STC will be a couple hundred bucks depending on engine size/power. No big deal compared to dealing with lead. Our engines will be able to run on synthetic oil which is much better. While it's 3% heavier, it's also 1-2% more energy dense (more energy per gallon). So it's about the same overall as one almost cancels the other out. In my case gas is not the biggest expense for my plane even if I fly 60 hours a year, so I don't care if it's 10% more expensive. I'm more than happy to pay it. This year only I paid 500$ to my mechanic for lead-related problems (plug fouled and cleaning injectors).
@@TheBarzook I 100% agree that it will be better for our engines. Fuel cost is very important for me. I fly 300+ hours a year. That is 3500 plus gallons a year. At even $1 per gallon difference that is 3500 dollars. I am always going to change oil at 50 hours regardless so that doesn’t make a difference. I perform my own maintenance such as plug cleaning so that deal doesn’t make a difference. Is it going to make my engine last longer? I guess we will see. Right now it. Is all speculation. Nobody has done it. Either way we do know that Gami will make a ton of money from the entire piston fleet buying it. The stc is ridiculous in my opinion. If it’s approved as a replacement fuel we should just be able to fill our tanks. I have personally met George from Gami. Wasn’t impressed. It’s a money thing for them and like I said they will be the wealthiest company in aviation because of this. This is just my opinion. I don’t damn anyone for theirs.
I’d be willing to pay a company who spent more than a decade battling the FAA regulators. I can only imagine the frustration, anger, and other emotions that they have endured. As long as the pricing is ‘reasonable’, GAMI deserves the money they make.
@@voigtscott I get it. A lot of people feel the same. I have been watching this very closely for a long time. I realize that I have opinions that may not be that popular. I believe that Gami pushed the anti 100LL agenda in Washington while developing the fuel. I am also one that believes that the data on Leaded fuel around airports is not accurate. Some of this has been proven. There is so much I want to say but won’t. While I know unleaded fuel is good for our engines, something isn’t right with the way it is being done. Seems politically motivated and frankly a bit shady. I will never believe that we should have to purchase an STC for an approved replacement fuel.
GAMI took one of the biggest risks in aviation. Some big companies tried to do this and failed technically. No company large or small was able to navigate the outrageous regulatory morass. Are you telling us you don’t believe they should earn some revenue on their new product, for the insane risks they took to bring us a solution they believed in? Are you telling us you’d prefer that we stay with 100LL and accept the near-certainty that EPA will ban the fuel, if the one remaining UK-based TEL plant doesn’t go out of business first and make 100LL entirely unavailable?
Jesus, get to the point