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Sidious understood that Vader could still potentially defeat him if he became too strong. Keep in mind, Sidious went through great lengths to keep him mentally weak. Sidious believed that Vader’s weakness had more to do with mental limitations than physical. Even after his injuries on Mustafar, Vader still had the potential to grow more powerful than Sidious.
Yes he did, but not with the outdated armor he gave him. For some reason sidious wanted a very powerful apprentice, but not one which could beat him. Not typical for Sith Lord masters
@@bobbynico5574 I feel like they had more to do with Sidious no longer Vader deserved to usurp him. I only say this because Luke has just as much capacity to surpass Sidious as an uninjured Anakin did.
He intentionally gave him the out dated armor and tech.
If Vader went elsewhere and got an upgrade Sidious would have been usurped.
He went through insane levels of manipulation to keep Vader complacent and controllable. He knew if Vader would stop caring about his past and focus on the dark side he'd become an immeasurable threat to Sidious
What keeps Vader weaker is his inner conflict. Sidious knows this. Vader has repeatedly shown more potential in the dark side than Sidious. He's also is more improvisational with the force than any sith or Jedi we've seen so far.
@@jamisonreynolds9949 Luke didn’t have the same potential as anakin. Luke’s midichlorian count was an estimated 20-22k, with anakin’s 27-30k. After the suit, yes, Luke had a higher potential than Vader
@@bobbynico5574 Luke wouldn’t need the same potential. Perhaps I misspoke what I said “same capacity”, but my point being that Luke was also capable of surpassing Palpatine (which he did as Grandmaster Luke). So if Sidious was intent on staying in power, Luke would a terrible choice since he would eventually surpass him.
Palpatine never physically trained Vader because he was constantly looking for a replacement for him. Palpatine tried to get rid of Vader by sending him on missions that were virtually impossible to survive but Vader never died.
Or is it that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
@@spiderfan1974 a mixture of both
Or perhaps that's because getting into a physical training with Vader is not a good idea, even for Sidious
By that point he should had trained him fully as finding a replacement is a waste of time.
The funny thing is in canon, Palpatine still saw Vader as a potential candidate to take his place, even after what happened on Mustafar. But in Legends, he saw him as a useful and powerful weapon, but only a tool. Just some Star Wars thoughts for you.
I’ll fight you for those thoughts
vader in canon was a failure, he had no greater aspirations than to kill jedi and bring back the dead. sidious was amused by him but ultimately found it to be a past time of his to torture the guy that thought he could do better.
Sorry to be the breaker of bad news to you my friend, but that's complete horseshit.
@@mr.starman8706 no it’s not… Vader is canonically stronger than Sidious he was just mentally weak so followed Palpatine like a dog.
Well the part about Vader being more powerful than Sidious, I can subscribe to. But Vader wasn't failure. Quite from it.
I think he just wanted the satisfaction of corrupting the Jedi’s chosen one and making him into a monster more than he actually wanted a powerful apprentice. He seemed intent on never being over thrown and especially after Anakin was injured in Mustafar he just gave up on the whole rule of two thing
He never seemed to take it seriously. He had dooku, maul, ventress, savage oppress, general grievous, I count him. So many different sith. Yet Palpatine wouldn't let Vader get an apprentice unless Vader defeated palp. So it's kinda all over the place.
Sidious conceived Anikan through the force. He selected Schmi Skywalker (for whatever reason)
And created him . Genetically modified to have maximum midichlorions. But, The Force had other plans. Qui-Gon Jinn found him and adopted him into the Jedi Order by accident. Palpatine had to work patiently and persistently to get him back. So Sidious Did Care for this Manchurian Sith. He was always Palpatine's prized Apprentice. Darth Plagues put the Events of Palpatine's journey into motion.
Even by Sith standards Palpatine is an asshole
@@johnwebb6342 not confirmed. But it’s very likely that palpatine and plagues had a big part to do with the whole “chosen one” event happening.
@@johnwebb6342 Holy crap dude stop posting bad information. Nothing has ever been confirmed. In legends anakin was born from the force due to plagueis's attempted manipulation and as for that darth vadar comic from a few years ago that I'm assuming your referring to, well that was all in vadar's mind
Makes sense to me, though Vader was able to figure out things on his own according to the comics. Anakin was no mental slouch he was smart and his countless battles during the clone wars made his wits sharp. He had his own secrets from Sidious as well.
I think Palpatine never trained with him because he wanted Vader to never really know the extent of his powers and skills. He wanted Vader to fear him, respect him, he didn’t want him to become a rival. He didn’t want Vader to get his knowledge of the force. He just gave him enough to maintain is adhesion to the dark side. As a puppet, but it didn’t work flawlessly
True, but i think vader coild have asked around, or seeked advice from some other person on the dark side of the force
@@thewingedeagle4329 and who aside from him and sidious would be powerful enough to actually give solid answers?? When you're the sith lords aint nobody gonna be able to teach vader aside from sidious
@@paytonedwards7066 ancient sith from the mask? Was something in a comic.
Really! Vaders master built his suit he clearly knew how to destroy his breathing device end of story!
@@King.D_no.1 he didnt really teach him much. I am fully aware of the mask deal but he was a pawn for Vader, not really a trainer
From what I've seen in the comics he did learn some with secrets on his own and became super powerful compared to most with users. He still has deficits that sidious played upon. The films don't show us much of that. His emotions held him back from full evil, but I'm n the end allowed him to reach out to Luke and transform back into Annakin
In the most recent comics he knew of the knights of ren on seeing them despite everyone thinking they were gone
Thats because new canon Sidious actually does want Vader to strike him down. Vaders new suit is designed by Vader himself
@@lordtouchme5417 What i never understood was the new canon, it shows Darth Vader designing his own suit, right? So why in the bloody hell didn’t he make his suit with something to resist force lighting, just really curious about that.
@@yeah_idc it kind of does. Palpatine has zapped him with it before and it didnt shut down his suit
@@lordtouchme5417 But doesn’t it still render him essentially incapable of defending himself?
Sidious eventually acknowledged how much stronger Vader became as a result of him constantly pushing himself as was explained by Lucas (80% of palpatine's even after the events of mustafar) and offered Vader a proper functioning suit, but Vader refused the new suit because he was afraid he wouldn't survive the transfer into the new one. Therefore he stayed in the old one he was accustomed to, and never gained strength further to challenge the emperor. Also Vader had no ambition to get stronger then the emperor because he viewed him as his only connection to anyone, as he had betrayed or slain everyone else, Palpatine was all he had left.
That’s actually kind of sad😭
Madness. His depression is not a choice to remain a slave. He never had a choice. Not once. He was a slave and when he finally broke his chains he paid the price
I thought Vader turned down the good suit bc the current one caused him pain, which he used to fuel his power
@@Blessed_V0id There's choice and there's automatic response. Choice only exists when options are presented. Even then fear can get the better of people.
Vader's depression and despair stems from the fact he avoids his past. Pain is one thing. He knows pain. Control it and it can have reason and purpose. But Vader was WEAK because he couldn't face and confront "every" situation. He never got to the height of his power. It's likely Sidious intended this. Keeps Vader on a shorter leash.
Imagine it. If this is Vader when he's weak then imagine what Vader would be like if he had been stronger and able to face any situation. The "self acceptence" that leads to being unstoppable. No longer deluded about notions of "light" and "dark", but rather knowing himself truely. Perhaps some day it will happen somehow. Either through a retcon or with a lore reason for Vader being saved before the death star blew.
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Correct
The thought process was, more speed and movement but at the cost of his connection to the dark side due to physical pain
Also it was mentally, he couldn’t move on if he did he probably would have became more enveloped by the dark side, though there is a chance he could have let go off his pain
considering Plagueis considered himself and Sidious as the culmination of the Rule of Two and Sidious killed him, I'm sure Sidious thought of himself as quite literally ALL the Sith because he WAS the culmination of the Sith. He only ever viewed his "apprentices" as executioners
He actually was at the moment Maul died given how Plageuis perished simultaneously
‘’Vader can’t survive without his breathing apparatus for more than seconds’’ that’s not true. In the show Kenobi he turns off his breathing to suprise Obi Wan and that was atleast 3 min.
In one of the comics Vader is haunted by tarkin where he turns off his breathing FOR DAYS, Vader is weaker without his apparatus sure, but with the dark side he is able to live without it for a while.
Almost all of what Vader learned was through his own efforts (aside from what he learned as Anakin from Obi-Wan). Sidious wanted to live forever, be Master forever. He didn't want to teach anyone anything that could jeopardize his hold on power. His plan was to discard Vader like garbage once the latter became too old to be useful, replace him with a new apprentice, repeat ad nauseum. He didn't want to divulge knowledge to Vader for fear that Vader would figure out his machinations. He didn't teach Vader how to become stronger with a saber or in the Dark Side for fear that Vader would overpower him in a fight.
Thing is Anakin was stronger than darth sidous in the return of the Jedi. Without palpatine teachings he could of defeated him.
@@truffle6082 I think that part of Anakin's strength in Return of the Jedi came from his desire to protect Luke. Parents in real life can sometimes display superhuman abilities when they need to save their children, e.g. lifting the front or back half of a car to free a child pinned underneath.
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In that area yes but looking back he could of used the force to kill palpatine
@@WonderfulHayden True. Ppl have been know to breakdown doors that normally would’ve needed a police battering ram and go inside and come outta burning houses totally unharmed when they have to save a certain life.
@@truffle6082 well to be fair, he caught Palpatine totally off guard. George has always said that he was only 80% as powerful as palpatine. It wasn't like he was prepared for Vaders attack. He just picks him up and chucks him over the side.
Because from Sidious' point of view it was like training a guard dog to be a master.
because sidious wanted to rule the empire by himself , he did not wish to continue the sith tradition after order 66.
I am ALL the Sith
@@basedelon ironic considering you claim to be the senate
“One to embody the power, the other to crave it.”
The master is not supposed to just relinquish his position, authority, and power, the apprentice must take it.
This is especially the case with Palpatine, he was never just going to give his position away and by not training Vader, it remained as such. However, Palpatine did give him instruction at times “bury yourself in the dark side, overcome your past”, and by Vader craving the power, he was never going to be successful in taking it, because he could not entirely overcome his former life as Anakin, there was always some sort of conflict.
Palpatine abandoned the rule of two long before Anakin came into the picture. He made Maul his apprentice and made him a full blown sith and gave him the full title of Darth despite still being apprenticed to Plagueis himself at the time.
I didn't know plagueis was alive during that time. How long was maul with palpatine before episode 1?
@@MethosFilms from birth basically, well at least in legends. Maul’s mother gave him to Palpatine as an infant.
@@MethosFilms In canon there's really nothing on plagues yet. So they will probably wrote it in that sidius killed him before episode 1. We also have that 10 year gap with dooku as an apprentice to sidious
@@thomasthetank827 Sidious killed Plagueis after becomming chancelor. Because he no longer needed him.
@@MethosFilmsplagueius lived through all of episode 1, dying after he became Chancellor
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It's more likely that every sith lord simply makes things as difficult as possible. The rule of two is about being overthorwn. The master must be overthrown. So of course the master isn't going to make it easy. And will try to prevent that as best they can while keeping their dog on a short leash.
Vader knows he's a dog. It's the game they play. They both know it. Only when Luke thought of Vader did Vader have a reason to change his goals. Before that point Vader simpy didn't have a reason to care. Or at least no one pushed him enough and got under his skin like Luke did. The line "Then my father is truely dead" is what got Vader thinking. How he fled from the past. How it makes him a coward. So Luke taught Vader to be braver in a sense. Just with that one line. Causing Vader to shift his goals towards protecting Luke. It's the one thing the emperor didn't teach him. The most important lesson of all. To always face and confront. No matter how painful it might be.
Sidious just wanted to make sure Vader worked for it. Whatever the end he's probably laughing about it. Because that's a lesson he already knows. He shows this because he's always making the best of the situation he's in. With a smile and a laugh. A part of him was likely proud of Vader as he fell. Knowing he'd been bested at last.
I believe he survived more than a few seconds without his breathing apparatus multiple times in cannon.
He could use his force abilities to do the work normally done by the suit.
He didn't really need it, as long as the dark side could sustain him
Sidious never understood the fact that to gain something, you must lose something. He did not realize that his duty as the master was to embody the power of the Dark, not attempt to rise above it. That was the apprentice’s duty.
This video is amazing.. the topic, the music, the insane editing, the vibe is super enlightening
I feel like a lot of this is the exact opposite; that all of these things- making Vader’s suit cause him constant pain, attempting to replace him, and the like, all *were* part of Palpatine’s training. The point is that it’s all just so twisted and toxic because that’s the way the sith are, and such exercises were designed to keep Vader’s anger and hatred fresh; feeding it, while also keeping him on a proverbial leash. It’s survival of the fittest when it comes to Palpatine, and Vader constantly has to prove that he’s the top dog. Secretly though, I feel like the emperor always knew he would succeed in some way or fashion. It’s all just meant to be a series of tests for him, the lessons of which are embedded in them.
this is a great essay and it elucidates so much of the lore. amazing work
In Darth Plagueis and The Episode 3 novelization. It's pretty clear that even though the Sith understand Sith Sorcery and Alchemy. They can't actually use it to its full ability without an innate ability. As far as we know Darth Zannah was the only Sith with an aptitude for Sorcery. Palpatine's plan in the Episode 3 novel was for Anakin to unravel these unattainable Powers. Using his deep connection to The Force.
I think Vader wasn't ready. He still had too many attachments to anikan Skywalker. Obiwan, padame, his children. .. it seems like he gave Vader the means to learn on his own, artifacts, a castle, but with his failure and his attachment he wanted Vader to redeem himself. Which he never did do his obsession with the Jedi and his past.
Anakin... Padme.*
Palpatine I feel was on the cusp of gaining or losing him so him turning him into vader was his opportune moment cause I feel like Anakin would have went Grey Jedi wanting to stay a Jedi but not losing his attachments to his wife children and Obi
Sidious must have trained Vader given that in the Dark Lord of the Sith novel Vader learned Sith Language and we see in the comics that Vader has learned Sith Alchemy to make the Grand Inquisitor immortal.
Interesting...I never thought of the relationship between Vader and Sidious like that. Thanks for the new perspective.
Just the idea of Vader learning sith sorcery is an interesting idea and reminds me of part 2 of your what if qui-gon train anakin
You answered so many questions I've had...THANKS
This makes sense. Sidious worked so hard and got very little. Over emotional Vader. With memories of Padme,and revenge. Makes sense. I agree with you. May the Force be with you too. See you in next video :)
You just make the world of Star Wars feel so real and interesting, by far my favorite youtuber!
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing your insight!!
That makes so much sense! Puts a huge amount into perspective, thanks!
Great stuff!! Yes so much of this makes sense.Well done
I notice some contradictions in videos. In this video it’s said Palpatine keeps Vader’s suit uncomfortable and bad but in the one about why Vader uses a bacta tank it’s said Vader himself refuses upgrades and keeps the suit uncomfortable to be stronger in the dark side
It's really poor from the channel. But his main focus is pumping out daily content, doesn't care if he's talking shit.
No palptaine I think made the suit uncomfortable on purpose at first as a form of punishment, however he then later on offered an upgrade as he thought vader deserved it ig, and vader himself didn't want it due to it making him stronger
It can be both though. Vader was an engineer, He could have made himself a better suit
Palpatine didn t create a better suit because Lucas didn t think aboit a better suit. The suit created în original trilogy was already wow for that time, and then the second trilogy was made, new technology was invented în star wars universe so everybody asked themselves why there îs no better suit, and everybody tried to come with an explanation..anakin should be death from the injuries before being taken care of..but wait..there îs the force that nobody really know how it works cause there are no rules and if there are they are constantly bend to make more movies...I m a fan of star wars..not disney era, but original...but stop making absurd theories..
@@vdvio Exactly, The first movie was made in 1977, you don't think that Authors decide to change or add aspects to their story as many years go on.
Palpatine trained aaaaall the time with Vader in the Sith ways. Another blunder by Stupendous Wave.
So amazing! Thank you
Your assessment is on point as usual. Your a great analyst.
So basically.. Palpatine didn't train Vader.. because he knew better
Excellent assessment!
New canon has altered some details. In the Vader comic series, he is competing against Tarkin, in which Tarkin and a whole team of soldiers and support staff try to see if they can hunt down Darth Vader on Tarkin's homeworld. Vader gains the upper hand after a deadly series of cat and mouse when he sneaks into their camp at night and unleashes destruction. Tarkin is stunned and realizes Vader was able to infiltrate because he had disabled his suit's respiratory system, silencing his trademark breathing sound. He likely had the system turned off for at least a few minutes, and he was able to sustain himself using a dark side temporary heal ability. I think it's also noted in the comic at one point that Sidious tells him to craft his suit to his specifications, after vader returned from a mission with a beat-up suit.
Excellent analysis.
Excellent breakdown 👌
love it. great vid
I’ve watched a lot of your videos without subscribing and was guided by your training and finally subscribed.
wow I literally never thought of this. Good video
Well done!
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You nailed that man!
I think that's interesting that Sidious changed his mind about the rule of two
I always felt that their relationship was in flux and never precisely set.
From various books I liked the idea that Sidious was furious with Anakin's failure but initially came to view it as the force's will that he be the Sith Master for all eternity and hence it had gifted him the ultimate sith apprentice with ultimate power that he could still wield mastery over no matter how powerful Vader became, because of the fact Sidious could kill Vader easily with force lightning. Sidious was convinced that Vader's limitations were all psychological and he could recover the one of a kind potential if he could confront and get over his disappointments but was dismayed to find Vader could never seem to do this and hence was encouraged to look for potential replacements
I think Disney are making a mistake trying to make their relationship clear. A big part of the Star Wars universe is the conflicting views on the exact nature of their relationship. They should leave that alone IMO.
excellent video
Excellent video bro! Your explanation of the relationship between Sideous and Vader is on point! And I think you're 100% right too, just wish Vader would have went ahead and upgraded his suit! He would have definitely defeated sidious in my opinion.👊✌️
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@@weeb1987 Forgive me , Master
spot on
George Lucas is clearly a student of history. Palpatine seems to be a well put together combination of Hitler, Stalin, Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus, Caligula and Diocletian. George also seems to have mirrored historical events when writing about Palpatines plans, for example, Order 66 is an obvious copy of the Night of the Long Knives.
This is very effective, as it makes the events in an otherwise unrealistic fantasy land seem very plausible. The fans who criticised the prequels obviously knew Fuck all about the world around them to not see that!
Being grounded in history doesn't absolve a story from criticism.
@@exaggeratedswaggerofablackteen No, but it certainly lays bare the ignorance of many who criticize.
@@Tyrosine0910 fair enough.
The relationship between Palpatine and Vader just sounds like a bad marriage, it's toxic in everyway and as much as they hate one another they sadly need one another
you just be talking my head off bruh
Good job, agreed!
Considering Palpatine poisoned his Master vs proving his superiority via direct combat, I question his allegiance to the Ro2 even in the beginning.
4:40 Palpatine's disappointment was immeasurable, and his day was ruined.
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Cool video :) Simply put, Sideous feared Vader overcoming him. He's seen it with all Sith in the past as this is inevitable within the framework of the values that they teach. He may have even for-seen his own demise by Anakin.
I did wonder and I agree with you 100%. having read a lot of the Legends material especially dark lord Rising. it explains when you can hear the inner thoughts of both Sidious and Vader that they never trusted each other. I don't see why they don't canonize Galen Merrick. I mean Sam Witwer is here. wouldn't take much to have him show up in Ahsoka or any other of the shows from that time frame. well the clone of him at least
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Ironically enough, it was Palpatine’s lust for power and obsessive hold onto said power that empowered yet doomed him, which is apparent by Darth Vader/Anakin.
Good video 👍
Agree with this assessment , I do.
I'm not sure how literally we're supposed to take your words but both in legends and in canon Vader was actually given the green light to oversee repairs and even enhancements on his suit. Also in canon Sidious still saw Vader as a worthy successor despite his defeat to Kenobi.
I always thought that the real tragedy of Anakin's Injuries in Sideous's mind was that he wasn't fit for essence transfer anymore. I thought the plan was to get Anakin over to the dark side, then steal his body when Sideous deemed it the right moment. Given what we know about Sideous's plans in the new trilogy, this theory makes the most sense. It also partially explains why Vader blocked Luke's attempt to strike down the Emperor in RoTJ, as a) it would allow Sideous to transfer his essence into Luke, but also b) by the rules of the Rule of 2 Luke would technically be the new Sith master over Vader.
I have always wondered what Vader thought when Sheev said take your father's place by my side to Luke. At the battle of Endor inside DS2.
I agree with your reasoning
He did give Vader some relics to study. Ultimately though, he believed Vader was incapable of overthrowing him.
I'm curious about what you can put together for Ahsoka. History and stats from legends and Canon.
Also Lightsaber Combat, specialist forms such as Sokan, Trakata, and how certain Lightsaber types were better for specific forms
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Palpatine: Today I'll teach you the pecking order.
It goes you, the dirt, the worms in the dirt, Emperor Palpatine's stool (his dirt), Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine.
*Cue lightsaber training montage
4:35
Anakin: *Burned half to death and writhing on the operating table*
Palpatine: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined."
I don't understand why he couldn't use all the cloning tech to rebuild limbs and organs for vader. he could literally restore his body to how he was and give vader a chance to reach his full potential and guide him through the secrets of the sith
I kinda imagine Palpatine completely losing his shit after seeing Darth Vader burned because at that point he's had 3 apprentices and they've all gotten figuratively and literally taken apart relatively quickly "Force damn it!!! Why can't I get one fucking decent apprentice!!!"
I think that in part is why Anakin as Vader was not as powerful nor as deadly as he could have been, because of that emotional instability that he had had from a very young age and never quite got over.
That adds dimensions to the movie. I like it
I agree to a large degree with you. If Vader held the empire, it would've died or he would have massive issues because he wasn't a ruler and he really didn't want the empire. He only wanted one thing and they were gone for all he knew.
Clonetrooper: Chancellor Palpatine, Lord Vader receive major burns and crippled.
Palpatine: I guess everything isn't going according to plan.
Darth Bane’s holicron contains the knowledge that Darth Vader would need to make the transfer.
Cause if he taught him anything, it'd just increase the chances of Vader kicking his wrinkled ass. \m/
My thoughts exactly 😂😂
Dude looked like he had a heart attack when he seen the phone free event sign💀
Palpatine knew that if they trained directly together Vader would discover his weaknesses and he’d sure as hell exploit them power in the force or not
The training was the missions that Vader was sent on like killing the younglings or hunting Jedi. Vader already had Master level force combat training from his Jedi training and the Clone Wars. What young Vader needed was more experience using the dark side and help permanently staying on the dark side emotionally
Sidious, seeing Anakin's new burnt toast impression: My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
I think Sidious would have taught Anakin his secrets and fully trained him, if he didn't lose on Mustafar. In Rise of Skywalker, Sidious originally intended Rey to kill him physically and then he would send his spirit into Rey's body and corrupt her, so he could live on in his grand-daughter. Rey would be the physical form, Sidious the mental/psychological form.
If Anakin successfully killed Obi-Wan and continued to grow in power with Sidious's help, then Anakin would learn everything from Sidious and later kill him. At the same time Sidious knew this would happen as the Rule of 2 says and after his apprentice betrays him, would transfer his spirit into Anakin's body. If Sidious had the body and midiclorian count of Anakin Skywalker, Darth Sidious would not only cheat death, but become more powerful than ever before. Everyone was a puppet to Palpatine.
Of course this never happens as Anakin failed him and so Sidious plans changed completely as a result, as Vader could no longer eclipse Sidious .
So Darth Sidious in Reys body?? How would he identify himself and it also sounds incestuous. Yuck
@@sharpshot6111 It is known as essence transfer. We know of this from games, books etc. before the sequels. (I.e. Valkorian/Tenebrae/Vitiate in SWTOR. Darth Bane & Darth Zannah from the Dark Bane Series.) One's essence or "soul" of the transferer is embodied in the host's body, and the original transferer's body dies. The new transferee then has the knowledge, etc. of the old.
This is that Disney bs not cannon in anyone eyes except Disney 🤣
@@ludvignordin6349 definitely cannon in the vader comic darth momin was able to do this by transferring is soul into his mask when he died he needs someone to put his mask on to control their body
To be fair too though I think part of the reason Palpatine never trained him too was because in a way as Anakin he already had the training he needed considering that Anakin did at times tow the line with some of his more aggressive tactics often coming close to the Darkside.
Yes I agree
This is in correct as Vader did receive training from Sidious in the form of sith History, teachings, strategies, philosophy, and language of the sith. All of which was meant to make Vader a Sith Lord and at the same time he kept Vader under his control by not teaching Vader everything that he new.
Sidious must have trained Vader given that in the Dark Lord of the Sith novel Vader learned Sith Language and we see in the comics that Vader has learned Sith Alchemy to make the Grand Inquisitor immortal.
Tbh I was waiting for the "until Luke" bit, given the "take your father's place at my side!" line in RotJ. I think that after Anakin, only Luke was a "good enough candidate" in Palpatine's eyes. Which makes him clumsily goading him and then giving up after like...ten minutes...a tad confusing? Thoughts?
Luke found himself in the same situation that Anakin had against Dooku. The difference is Anakin went through with the goading of Palpatine while Luke did not. Luke completely rejected Palpatine’s offer even after Vader had threatened Leia so I think Palpatine was certain at that point that Luke had cemented himself as a Jedi and that there was no hope of having him as an apprentice to succeed him. There was no other option but do away with Luke as he would therefore be nothing but a threat to Palpatine’s empire at that point.
The Emperor was going to take Darth Bane's recipe for Sith Biscuits to the grave! You hear me! THE GRAVE(S)!
I think the main reason is yeah he doesn’t want to make him too powerful. The emperor was also a very cocky asshole who enjoyed in thinking of his superiority and knowing something over someone else
It would have been amusing. Palpatine and Vader starting their days of training with the Rocky theme music playing in the background.
I know Palpatine was furious overall about the maiming of Anakin, but when he finds his burnt quadriplegic body on the shores of the lava on Mustafar, his body language seems to show concern (at least briefly) when he kneels and reaches down to him.
I thought he also gave him a little ‘Force heal’ with that touch also. In all Star Wars lore, that couple of seconds was the only time I’ve seen Palpatine show a layer of him underneath it all
You should do a video on how Vader still became as powerful as he was without training from Sidious. I mean recently on the Kenobi show, Vader was still so powerful in the force that he was able to stop a cargo ship mid flight and ground it, tearing it apart. This was 10 years post ROTS, but was did he become that powerful just from his learnings as Anakin and progressed as Vader and the darkside and his own learnings through the years ??
All in all he still became extremely powerful, trained or not. Crazy.
His suit kept him in constant agony. He fed on that pain and rage. He fueled that into powering himself.
@@qb6570 Yeah he got way more powerful from when he was Anakin to when he was Vader. Crazy.
He must be teaching Vader behind the scenes. How else would Vader become so prolific and refined in his usage of the dark side? Unless he taught himself from forbidden Jedi archives and Sith holocrons. Sidious doesn't test, he teaches.
In the new canon comics for Vader he actually does just that. He finds and starts learning from old texts and holocrons all while hunting jedi as to not tip of sidious.
He definitely does test and doesn’t teach
I read those awesome comics. But, Sidious taught Dooku the dark arts. Dooku taught Greivous Jedi dueling.
The inquisitors were obviously taught how to duel. Asaj Ventress was taught too much, so Sidious ordered Dooku to destroy her. The Grand inquisitor was taught by Vader when Vader repeatedly killed him and brung him back from death. ...So every other dark side user was trained in one way or another. So, I find it hard to believe Palpatine wouldn't train his new prized apprentice, especially after Vader became weak to his force lightning.
New to Star Wars here. But aren't there a lot of inconsistencies in the lore though? Isn't implied that there's power in the Dark Side? Who's the chosen one? Anakin was conceived by the Force, right? Also Palpatine always knows everything. The lessons were see Palpatine trying to teach Vader is to let go of emotional attachments. It's kinda akin to how Kang the Conquerer tries to teach his younger self - not forming emotional attachments. Therefore being a "powerful" version of yourself. Palpatine is aware that there's little of Anakin in Vader.
This entire video could be summed up like this.
Sid didn't wanna train Vader because he feared his power.
And training would give Vader a grasp on their differences in power.
Plagues taught Sideous to be incredibly strong. Eventually this lead to Sideous betraying him, he didn’t want Vader to take him out so he kept him weak as long as he could.
Maybe he has just hasn't been on screen. Or MAYBE, ALSO, he's been subtle which was his way ALOT even well before he was a Sith and was doin an evil Mr Miyagi kinda thing sorta a Darkside "wax on, wax off" sorta thing subtly teaching Vader indirectly without him even realizing it
It’s because Sidious knew that with Vader he basically had a Rancor by the teeth. While able to exert control he had to be careful because 1 slip would see him dead. Oddly enough the relationship between Sidious and Vader, despite the attempts and wishes of Sidious, was almost textbook Rule of Two and it was exactly what Darth Bane intended.