Blood In DreamWorks Movies - Disney Vs DreamWorks
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
- Puss In Boots The Lash Wish is based. Blood in animated movies is amazing and barely anyone talks about it so I decided to look more in depth into the films of our childhoods! Last time I showed to much Pixar, and yes I know Disney owns it but this time I decided to purely feature Dreamworks and Disney! -calobi
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0:00 Intro
0:45 The Road to El Dorado
1:35 Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa
2:27 Puss in Boots: The Last Wish
3:40 How to Train Your Dragon 2
4:48 Shrek
5:38 Tangled
6:41 Kung Fu Panda
7:17 Disney Vs Dreamworks
9:23 Anime
Blood In DreamWorks Movies - Disney Vs DreamWorks
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I literally never felt bothered by blood in the movies as child, it felt completely natural to me. I don't get why Disney tries to "protect kids" so much, blood adds realism to those movies!
Part of me wonders if there's a "sheltering" element where it actually makes kids MORE afraid of blood if blood isn't shown in a natural way in movies.
@@kristenskousen1317 I think you're right. Back in the old days it was normal for everyone to see death, gore or blood, everyone was used to it. Now everyone is being sheltered as a kid and thus when kids like that grow up, they're not used to blood, and they faint at mere sight of it.
yeah I even liked to draw blood (hopefully that doesn't sound super creepy I just liked the design, also liked drawing dripping water too) as a kid so I never understood why Disney barely ever included it.
Yeah. Plus, the one reason kids nowadays are afraid of blood is that it’s rarely really shown to them. Blood is natural and normal, we all get cuts and scrapes as a kid.
@@belynda1224as a gen z person, is that true that kids are that afraid of blood?
My respects to dreamworks
DreamWorks made animation films, from good and bad, for jokes to memes, and you can't help but feel how DreamWorks made their films and shows.
You know it :D 😅
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Yeah
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Dreamworks was formed by ex-Disney employees literally just to compete with them, by doing things their own way. That creative freedom is very much on purpose. Treating your audience like fellow intelligent human beings (even if they are young) rather than like endless cash cows that must be protected at all costs is pretty cool too. Never understood the obsession with Disney that some folks have. I am probably more of a Dreamworks fan tbh.
Amen. Dreamworks gets to push boundaries and it seems to go pretty darn well every time.
Disney has some films that are good storytelling either because it's based on a good story or iterated on a good story idea (including my favorite Disney film, The Lion King), but Dreamworks is more consistently human in how they tell stories. I think that's the only reason they could compete with Disney for as long as they did, and why I like more Dreamworks films overall despite being a fan of Disney's Golden Age and New CGI eras.
Grew up with dreamworks
Para que luego dreamworks nos saque a megamente 2 :'(
Dreamworks could make Gospel movies, God forbid, GOOD
I want to point out that I really like that dreamworks keeps the blood minimal for the most part. When you use blood too often, your audience can become desensitized to it. It loses any sort of meaning in the story because it's just the status quo. By holding back on using blood, they are able to make sure that it keeps it's visual and narrative impact when it does get shown. Blood isn't just set dressing, it has a purpose.
I think the problem with the showing of blood leading to desensitization of the audience is more or less entirely in the writing of it. Wounds bleed, this is a fact of life, a part of how the natural world works. It *is* the status quo. How that is portrayed is what decides how we interpret it, but there being no blood in a scene where it "should" be, for me at the very least, draws away from it. If they cared to focus on the wound itself, and they don't want it to be a focal point, there are ways to show it realistically without it taking focus.
The lack of blood in a lot of scenes where it would have been for me distances from the plot having meaning. I am not a fan of gore, nor do I dislike the Dreamworks' method of using blood flow to focus attention, but I just think it's sad that people think that the presence of blood itself in the media causes people to be desensitzed to it.
Basically, go Dreamworks rather than Bleach.
I don't disagree, just pointing out that's probably a good example of desensitizing the viewer :P
Overdoing anything becomes trivialising/desensitising honestly. One scene i can't take anymore that gets overused is rain when a conflict or a death happen. Make it sunny to add a contrast, i am do tired of the trope, it made the signification of it go down the drain.
o.o
**Hum hum** invincible
Kinda depends on the mood you wanna set for the scene. For El Dorado and Puss in Boots the blood flowing gives that feeling of unease, while the Shrek scene’s supposed to be funny. Seeing blood on the arrow would feel a bit out of place.
also another thing you can note with shrek is that hes a thick skined being, so in a in world standpoint he has to be rather directly attacked to be mained enough to draw blood. but ya also the mood.
Even though shrek tends to be more grimey, it’s still cartoon violence.
It makes donkey fainting funnier
While I agree with the first part, the part about Shrek I would say having the blood on the arrow would play into the joke of Donkey fainting better since we actually see the blood and it could be seen as a meta joke for how "kids" movies tend to act about blood. After all, Shrek was all about mocking Disney and other media as a whole.
@@andrews_lego_tanks_and_morehm this is a valid point
Disney sucks when it comes to not putting blood in their movies honestly I really like how DreamWorks isn't afraid to show dark scenes and blood like how Disney does. All Disney does is being a sensitive company that is scared to show blood because they think kids will be terrified or confused.
Disney put blood in Tangled (2010) though
@@ShadowBear4670That Was Over A Decade Ago
They put blood in (UP) when the old man hit the dude
I feel like when DreamWorks does show blood in their movies, it just hits that much harder and adds more significance to the scene as opposed to just showing a fresh scar like Disney usually does.
@@FireFlipzthat was a Pixar movie, Disney Just worked on part of it
3:00 It's subjective, but as a learning scriptwriter, i think that reflection actually more accurately to indicate that Puss's life IS the glass; in the wolf's hand, fragile, and has dried out.
That sounds smart so i agree with you
1:25 Girl just pulled out a clean dagger after stabbing him😂
hOw ReAlIsTiC
I remember reading an interview back when the movie came out that said there originally WAS blood on the knife, but if they'd kept it the movie would have gotten a higher rating. I'm not sure if that was from like the rating-board (idk what it's called) or from the Disney execs.
Prince of Egypt is probably the bloodiest PG rated animated film I’ve seen, and it’s from that one scene alone! (Though technically the blood wasn’t coming from/out of anyone)
well there was a river of it.
Ya maybe a movie about *the ten plagues* would have some carnage
HAHAHAHAHA
@@FritzMonorailand buckets of lamb's blood.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory well you're playing with the big boys now
It's been mentioned once in the comments, but I'd like to elaborate.
There's blood in the animated version of Mulan.
The scene I'm referring to shows Mulan being slashed in the side.
No it doesn't show that wound trickling, but later it shows Mulan touching the wound and her hand comes back covered in blood.
Not enough to where it's dripping, of course.
That would be unnecessary no matter what.
But there's enough on her palm, at least according to memory, to where she could have made a handprint of she wanted.
Her clothes are stained pretty good too.
So there's another note worthy blood scene from a Disney film.
Yeah I watched Mulan just last night, there is blood, although it doesn't drip, it's definable there on her shirt and hand.
Right! There's also blood in Lilo and Stitch too, when Stitch goes ape on Lilo for a second. Was hoping to see something about that. That one was a really similar moment to the one in Puss in Boots too -- scratch, reel, touch the forehead, see blood on hand. Did it have a little trickle tho? I don't remember ...
Also......Eugene was literally bleeding at the end of Tangled (2010)
reminder OLD disney. back when they had a chance to die. if there is a time i say disney was worth their rep its back then.
Does Dipper bleeding from his nose on gravity falls counts?
While i understand Disney may want to keep it tame, it's a bit too tame. Kids will only be more frightened of blood if they don't get the point that cuts and blood happen. It doesn't have to be graphic, but it also doesn't have to be treated like "ow I got a paper cut, I need immediate medical attention!"
Hey paper cuts are serious business
@@samimoon3806 if they get infected yes, but most of the time all you need to do is wash them and bandage them and you're good. I'm a teacher so I've seen the effect this has had on Disney kids. I've witnessed a student faint because another student had a nosebleed. They are not able to get the point that sometimes blood just happens and it's normal. Sure it's gross and not fun, but it's not a bad thing that requires a visit to the hospital from a simple scrape on the knee
@@TheOriginalScribbleStudiosJesus christ dude read the room
Blood is like the most inoffensive type of 'gore' there is. Like it's just a fluid, that kids see all the time anyways, like you know how often you get injured as a kid? It's nutty.
disney: noooooo! his blood needs to be already dry within 0.05 seconds!!!!
dreamworks: okay so a chunk of his ear gets blown off
lol
Ye
Kids don't think blood is unnatural, if anything, I thought characters getting stabbed and the knife coming out clean was unnatural. I would even ask my parents why the knives were clean because the knife not being bloody felt unrealistic and I was a little nitpicker
Yes blood is natural but the problem is that when it comes from violence or imprudence or negligence (because kids don't know how to tell the wrong from the right), it can either terrify them or make them too curious about it. That affect their minds in harmful ways during their upbringing.
@@victuzOn Beauty and the Beast though blood was seen two times. The first one was seen on Beast's arm, as he was injured from the wolves. The other time was seen when Gaston stabbed him. And we can actually see blood coming out from the Beast. We can even see blood coming out along with the the knife, once is taken out from Beast's body, but you have to put the scene very slow to notice it.
@@victuzIt won't harm anything, let them know where it comes from. Like literally in the real world most blood comes from accidents and violence so shielding that fact from kids if anything is actually harmful
@@dewolf123 FR OML
@@victuz . Most kids have definitely scraped their knees or had bloody noses enough to know about blood though. Seeing it in a movie shouldn't affect them any more than their actual life experiences have.
If anything, seeing characters react to bleeding negatively just solidifies the idea that "bleeding is bad. If you are bleeding then you need help."
I think the way you use blood is a lot more important than actually showing blood. Not every scene where a character gets hurt needs to have blood, but blood can certainly go a long way to enhance a scene. In the Puss in Boots scene, the blood is an extremely important storytelling decision. It shows that Puss isn’t immortal, death is a real possibility for him. The blood strengthens his fear for the audience. The blood makes the scene stronger and the scene would lose a lot of gravity should the blood be removed. Alternatively, putting blood in the scene in Encanto where Mirabel cuts her hand wouldn’t really fit. The injury Mirabel receives isn’t exactly important or particularly painful. Putting blood there would make the injury appear worse than it actually is, which would tell the audience that this cut is important to the story, which wouldn’t be good visual storytelling as that cut really isn’t that important to story. Whenever Dreamworks has blood, it’s for a purpose that improves the story telling, removing the blood would detract from the scenes it’s in. Disney mostly does not use blood, but when they do (ex: in Tangled when Flynn gets stabbed and nearly killed) they do it to further the story (Flynn bleeding like that shows he’ll die if the wound isn’t healed). Overall, the companies use blood in similar ways, Dreamworks just uses it more often and effectively
I get you, and from the point of having to remove a lot of aspects, which practically all animation has to do, I get it, but the lack of even a hint of blood to wounds, tells me people don't quite comprehend how blood works. You can include blood without drawing attention to it. Most cuts, even surpringly deep ones (not including head wounds) often don't draw enough blood for it to drip. The utter lack of beading in more or less all animation I can remember, is annoying to me. The idea that it (blood) would neccesarily shift attention seems, uncreative almost.
I think Mirabel bleeding could add to the story if they took away the mom's healing ability earlier in the movie or something.
Mirabel goes to family to have them help her bandage it showing eluding to the family's bond being the fix for their miracle losing it's power. It's rough but workable to include the blood and make it impactful to the story, but yes like you said the current version of the story does not lend itself to showing significant blood.
@@M.Daturao.o
Amazing analysis. I think Disney tells stories different as DreamWorks. Disney stories are usually more centered on a journey with external challenges, it's more magical, while Dreamworks goes to personal challenges, showing the vulnerability of it's characters and exploring further on their personal development
@@willow1601 I agree, her bleeding from the cut caused by her family's fighting would show a lot more then a little scratch that's forgotten later, and it would show that her family really is overlooking the damage their personal conflicts are causing. It's one thing to say "you're fine" when someone has a little cut, it's another to ignore someone who's bleeding even if the source of that cut is missing.
Even if it's fixed by her mom it's still more impactful when there is a real injury, even if it's still small.
1:55
Wow. I've seen Madagascar 2 many times but never noticed that.
The blood that runs down Puss' forehead after Death cuts him is one of those "Oh snap" moments, it just adds that brevity to the scene where it sets up the stakes right away. The fearless hero has met someone who could not only cut him, but kill him. It's such a good scene from such an incredible movie.
I thought they were gonna be like haha there's jam under his hat that the blade sliced but when I realised oh shit they aren't messing around, they're making it clear Puss is in real danger I was hooked.
HARD AGREE, I'm going to be completely real that entire chase scene into the bathroom as well as Death's first whistle set the entire tone of the whole movie to me.
I'm such a BIG fan of body language, obsessed with it because it helps me read cues better. I was already obsessing over the scene when Puss refused to turn his back on Death, but the writers completely blew it out of the park with how domineering they made him be in just the first scene alone.
Have to admit, I actually shed a tear of fear when he opened the lock with his sickle. Like that build up alone was both phenomenal and terrifying.
And it’s not just a “random cut that instantly heals for some reason” it’s still there for a while
That movie was such a banger
My observation is that they use blood incredibly thematically, and they make it impactful, in Disney movies they skim over it as quickly as possible to avoid eating issues, with dreamworks they dwell on it, they emphasize the weight of someone being injured, maimed, or nearly killed, which is exactly how it should be portrayed
good point. I think the most moving blood shown in a disney movie was when dr. faliciter took blood from prince naveen. it shows the disturbing loss of control, and how naveen lost his image and sense of self.
The weird thing about the Encanto example is that Disney have clearly gone out of their way to make that fresh cut look like it's been healing for days.
With how Disney maintains its brand of family friendliness, I do believe Dreamworks, from time to time, is not afraid to take risks and open up to new ideas. Sure, they care about finding their next big franchise similar to Shrek or Kung Fu Panda, but it's worth noting how they give writers, directors, and even animators creative liberties to their films. Great video.
Shrek was a movie made to make fun of disney. I feel like dreamworks, to some inherent degree, was founded on oposing principals to disney tbh. Hence leading to somewhat less focus on needing to allways be the peak of family friendly🤔
Disney: Naturally, we can't show blood in kid shoes
DreamWorks: But blood is natural
Disney: I know, but it's violent
DreamWorks: violence is what the kids want, not your dump princesses with their awful voices
Woah to far on that last one.
TBF that fact that Disney movies have blood at all is impressive.
Children *C R A V E T H E B L O O D O F M A N Y*
Fr, lot of bloodthirsty kids.
Tbh it does'nt even matter because kids will find out soon anyways and its better to know quicker and kids will just start to play violent games like call of duty in the future anyways
One pattern with DreamWorks' choice of visuals depends on the focus:
When the emphasis is on the blood, it moves - yet, when the intent is on the events unfolding, the gore is absent -
Less due censorship (Gory Discretion Shot) and closer toward Deliberate Value Dissonance/Artistic License
Especially when it’s comedic vs dramatic, like for example, that Shrek scene didn’t need blood cuz it was supposed to be a funny Shrek and Fiona bonding scene
EXACTLY i feel like maybe he missed the point whenever dreamworks uses blood it says something to the audience i think their restraint in other scenes shows more understanding of their work then it does censorship
@@eagles5205 True, it increases the impact and importance of a scene when blood is rarely shown, it’s a way of emphasis, if every scene had blood, then there would be no care for if there was blood or not, that would take the drama away
Now that you mention this, it also kinda feels like the right call to make.
I've met so many animators and writers from Dreamworks through internships and all of them switched from Disney for the freedom to create. Disney while has good animation never allows artists to go further and push the limits anymore. That's why I love Dreamworks and always have. Especially because of The Prince of Egypt. That movie is literally a work of art in my mind that makes me cry everytime I watch it.
(and also has blood, and is all around pretty dark for a kids' film but hey that's the bible)
I think the lack of blood on the arrow helps the gag work better, that way the audience never notices the blood, it's a very small amount of blood that only Donkey notices and then immediately faints at. As a result, the shock of the realization that there's blood on the arrow comes with Donkey's delivery of the line, not with the sight of the arrow. If there was blood on the arrow, it'd have to be a barely perceptible dark stain on the arrowhead. Maybe they figured there was no point in adding the blood, or maybe they were worried that it'd look like poop or something.
i doubt they would care if it looked like poop, since shrek at the start of the movie is bathing in very poop looking mud
I like how DreamWorks treats blood like it's you know just a fact of life
Yeah
That's why they're better than Disney in that regard. It IS just a fact of life.
@spybgon45972
Movie director: Is that blood in the movie? Disney: It's jam. 😐 DreamWorks has entered the chat
Mable: I love Jam! Look at this!
@@bobertbopalaoh yeah it is! and that show used to my favorite 😅
I had a stroke reading this. Actually, this looks like someone gave an AI the most popular kind of jokes made in CZcams comments and this video's title
When I watched The Last Wish for the first time the scene where Puss gets cut shocked me completely because it just isn’t that regular of an occurrence to see dripping blood in modern animated movies. I love that scene so much, very impactful and sets the tone of fear throughout the wrest of the movie. I wish Disney had the balls to make more shocking stuff like that in their films.
4:49
I love the way that Donkey just faints at the sight of blood.
As a person who grew up with disney im very...dissapointed its like seeing an old friend dissapear and become "toxic" "rude" or..just kind of painful to witness...now i just want the company to die but i dont at the same time and its just hurts. Part of me hopes that disney will make a good comeback and be the happy go lucky franchise i grew up with but the other half knows that will never happen and its just..best we let it die. Thank you for listening to my vent/rant type thing-
too short for a rant
@@bignoseman3031 oh! Sorry i didnt know
Can't blame ya, it IS losing it's bright spark, and it's now like a faulty lightbulb that just flickers.
@@TheWillikids Or worst, a lighbulb that to remain on, steal the lights from others. We can see that with Star Wars, Marvel and perhaps Fox.
realising disney was always a toxic friend
To be fair, I don't think most parents would be okay with the amount of blood in The Prince of Egypt in other circumstances. It's the fact that it's based off of a religious story, that's why it gets a pass from a lot of people. Those same parents would probably be furious if you put a river of blood in a fantasy setting. It would feel odd to tell the story of Moses and include the frog rain but exclude the blood river. It also shows a light going into homes and killing firstborn children, which definitely wouldn't bode well outside the context of a "historical" storytelling. Even though it was done pretty tastefully.
fr my parents turned their noses up at horror and violent movies but once forced my brother and i to sit and watch the bible series through the crucifixion scene
@@spadesart Not sure I understand the comparison between a horror movie and what's considered to be a historical event.
It's interesting that even small amounts of blood are considered inappropriate for children. Children get little cuts and scrapes all the time. I remember in my primary school, there were often trails of blood drops leading up to the office from kids getting nose bleeds. I can understand not showing anything actually gory, but small amounts of blood should be fine.
I remember watching graffiti falls as a kid, and at the end of season Dipper had a nosebleed. That was the first time I’ve ever seen blood in a cartoon, this made the finale of season 1 so epic and special for me
Graffiti?
5:30 I assume he would bleed green. the main reason human skin is pink/red is because of our blood. that being said blood is red due to the presence of iron within it's enzymes. the relevance being that green blood would suggest the presence of copper (you can kind of think about the resulting color being the color of the present metal in an oxidized state, and since bloods main purpose in the body is to carry oxygen and other materials throughout the body it only makes sense that the metal would be oxidized).
additionally though green could just be a pigmentation unique to ogres, like fairytale melanin
for example, polar bear skin is black and their fur is translucent white but they still have red blood cells
many species of lizards have vibrant coloring but smooth scales over thin skin
the central coloration displayed does not dictate the color of their bloodcells
additionally shrek has a red/pink mouth, so that goes to him having ye olde regular innards and blood in terms of coloration with his skin being the exception
And Megamind, to bring in a different movie who is obviously not of human/earth origin, probably has red blood. Just look at his cheeks/ears/lips they have a reddish hue where his skin would be thinner.
Copper ( and the haemocyanin it is part of) makes blood blue, not green. Chlorocruorin would be the chemical that gives green blood its colour.
“The main reason human skin is pink/red”
Me being black :👁️👄👁️
@@MOMO-436because of the addition of melanin.
You don't need blood to deliver good storytelling. With that being said, Dreamworks puts special emphasis on fluidity, i.e. the movement of liquids. Prince of Egypt took quite a while to finish in part because they wanted to animate the water as best as they could. If Dreamworks wants to use blood as a storytelling device or tone setter for a scene, then of course they're going to make damn sure that it looks amazing.
I don't know if they still use it, but their little intro thing was literally the name "DreamWorks" in water that's disrupted when the moon boy casts his fishing line.
I don't know why they do it, but they've always been very intent on making their water look beautiful, and they do an amazing job. It's probably some secret jab at Disney (probably related to The Little Mermaid) but I guess we'll never know lol
Don’t forget my favorite movie, Atlantis!! When Milo falls down the bridge with the rest of the crew and Kida finds him, he has a cut which is shown not only to be actively bleeding, but it’s on his hands after he touches it! Atlantis was already meant to be the “anti-Disney” movie anyways so it’s not surprising, but it is hands down my favorite movie of all time!
Disney writes movies, Dreamworks writes characters and puts them together to make a movie.
Do you think he should have his own talk show? It would be really nice just talking about these random concepts.
I would listen to it
@@doge9505same!!!
How come Nose-Bleeds are ok to show but when it’s a flesh wound it’s seen as taboo
Clyde Mcbride be like!
prob cause bleeding from your nose is a bit more common naturaly then getting a flesh wound
Tis just a flesh wound!
Because one is a result of some sort of violence and the other is just a random bodily occurrence. Blood isn’t necessarily the problem, it’s the reason behind the blood. That’s why that river of blood scene in Prince of Egypt got a pass…. It wasn’t due to violence, it didn’t even come from anyone’s body.
@@johndoherty487 Loud House shows that nosebleeds are okay.
7:00 I'm pretty sure that's white fur, not blood
Yeah, I got no clue what he claims to see there.... There's blood in Po's palm right after, why not point that out?
6:53 am I the only one not seeing it ?
Nope
I REALLY appreciate when there’s blood in kids movies.
Speaking of blood in kids shows, I really wonder why it took so long for The dragon prince to get a higher age rating, for all of seasons 1-4 it was 7+ even tough there was so much violence and disturbing imagery, not much blood though- it was first in season five when it got 10+ instead.
To be fair s5 was a big step up, 15+ people getting massacred, main character getting tortured, someone getting bitted and corrupted, A MAJOR CHARACTER GETTING THEIR LEG CUT OFF.
It got dark real quick-
Anyway, I hope more kids media gets more mature tbh, maybe a new age rating? Only time will tell.
and then back in my day when i was a kid
we hat cartoons like watershipdown
where bunnys murderized each other in a really bloody way
and in the end battle between the bad and the good bunnys the good ones lured a dog towards theyr home
and the dog ripped several of the bad bunnys apart with blood splattering everywhere
and this caroon didnt had any age restricts
i just later realised that its just 2normal" thats how nature is
bunnys will actually really kill each other and not every dog is nice to bunnys
so what the show showed was jsut normal nature at its best
that actually always made me think why cartoons make such a big fuss about blood at all
like when you get punched in the face ,cut your finger or poke your hand at a rose its just a normal thing that you would bleed
damn, Imma now continue Dragon Prince then. S4 was kinda boring so the first 2 eps of S5 also feel slow
@@4rtemis_Animsit picks up towards the end. The last two episodes are really good
I'm a kid and yeah like blood adds suspense plus it's a completely natural thing
Seriously it got that dark?
5:06
Their wasn’t any blood on Gothel’s blade when she stabbed Eugene either
Like ain't no way you stabbed a dude, and that dagger should NOT came out clean
It’s confusing because there was blood on flynn
Beauty and the Beast was another example of Disney showing blood, and we do see Gaston removing the knife from Beast’s body before we see blood dripping from the wound as Belle pulls him onto the balcony.
Dipper also bled in Gravity Falls with his fight with Gideon. Marcy got impaled in Amphibia, but I don’t think there was blood there (in fairness to that, it was through the chest with a hot sword, assuming I recall correctly).
This still doesn’t compare to dreamworks and I agree where Disney films feels held back in some ways, but I wanted to put those on the table for consideration. Disney however did deal with a lot of heavy topics surrounding death, so in some aspects it may be balanced.
Oh yea, and Mulan as well. She got a laceration in her fight with Shan Yu and we did see her get cut as well as the bleeding in a later shot.
i have always appreciated Dreamworks and their movies as much if not more than disney. especially these days. Dreamworks knew what was needed to set a tone for each scene and what the entire industry needs to understand is that "TONE IS EVERYTHING". a lot of movies these days dont seem to want to make the scene feel real, as much as they want it to look real, and it is simply breaking a lot of narratives and what could have been good stories.
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"blood animations is not safe for kids"
paper cut in real life: ...
Lol
@@LannyLeArtist i mean yeah is not really animating but still blood
@@lawofvibes5320 “not really animating?” Bro I remember getting a paper cut and i would bleed everywhere like a fucking fountain what do you mean “not really animating?!”
Won't lie, Puss in Boots shocked me...the blood... the kill count being as high as a John Wick movie, I mean someone died like every 5 minutes especially when Jack was on screen💀😂
Dreamworks definitely experiments with their movies showing more darker themes but you failed to mention how Disney has shown quite a bit of blood in some of their biggest films, Mulan when her entire had is covered in blood, TARZAN when Kayla finds Tarzan we see bloody paw prints all over the tree house and actually the dead and bloody bodies of his parents, then Tarzan himself getting the bloody scratch, and in Up (which I know is mainly Pixar but Disney bought Pixar before Up was released so it is also technically Disney as well) Carl actually hits one of the construction workers on the head with his cane, and we see blood and a gash on said workers head. Dreamworks pushes the limit when it comes to blood which is interesting and exciting even, but Disney doesn’t always back down when it comes to blood, they don’t always show it but they aren’t scared to either.
I talked about those in my part 1 and 2 lol. Simply search through my recent videos list and you will see. czcams.com/video/R9czxsdMnWQ/video.html
The lack of blood in HtTYD annoys me actually, it's probably censorship as showing two main characters being amputated is huge deal, but... It gives other scenes less impact..!
its likely that anyone that is maimed in that series got the wound 'cauterized' due to the abundance of fire breathing creatures and blood is used to linger on a moment of drama and importance in DW stuff
@@erubianwarlord8208 I know, but it has plenty of swordfights too.
Honestly, the amputation was fine cause it gets cauterized (and Toothless' wound was already a few days old so that's fine), but the scene where the lack of blood annoyed me the most was in the second movie, where Drago's Bewilderbeast LITERALLY DISEMBOWELS ITS OPPONENT WITH BIG-ASS TUSKS. I don't need a river of blood, but come on, just give me the bloody tusks at least. That one was just cowardly.
@@magiv4205 Was the wound really several days old? I always thought that Toothless was shot down in the early morning, then Hiccup went and found him later that day.
Interesting note on Disney and blood: In the previews for Aladdin and the Prince of thieves there’s a scene from the song “Welcome to the Forty Thieves” that clearly shows a bloodstain on Aladdin’s shoulder (from an earlier fight).
But in the released movie, the blood is cut out entirely.
I think Disney, at least back then, thought bloody violence wasn’t “on brand” because a few of their shows include blood. Gravity Falls for example has Dipper getting a nosebleed from a fight while I think they show blood and a healing wound on Stan over the course of a couple episodes.
…And then there’s the “mounted animal head trophy” scene from Northwest Mansion Mystery.
Fun little fact I remembered: the mounted head scene in gravity falls was worked around cause Alex had to say to S&P that it was jam and not blood which i find hilarious
Disney theatrical films should be viewed separately from cartoons on Disney Channel. It's like the difference between Marvel Studios and Pixar
Based on what I know about Alex Hirsch's experiences with Disney, it seems like the reason GF got away with a lot of stuff because Hirsch actually fought with Disney tooth and nail over a bunch of their censorship bs, and I imagine most movie makers just don't fight for those scenes as much as Alex tended to.
And to be fair, I imagine it's hard to fight with Disney constantly like that, plus not everyone will have the same degree of leverage or freedom to push their luck that Alex had.
Honestly, respect to Dreamworks for making *that* Bewilderbeast scene and showing no blood. That would've traumatised the sh*t out of me
When it comes to seeing or not seeing blood or other things that were toned down to be less scary to kids or something, I gotta admit that the first few times when I saw Tarzan, as a kid, I completely missed the fact that the movie shows the corpses of Tarzan’s parents on screen for a moment, when Kala enters the treehouse to find the baby. I used to only get that they were killed by Sabor from the bloody pawprints on the floor, but that they actually showed dead bodies on screen, man. As far as I can remember there’s not a single “kids movie” that has pulled a move like that ever since.
Cocoum I believe might rival it tbh. It doesn’t show blood but the water use is a clear metaphor.
There's an actual reason for Disney to be tamer with blood, and that's because they usually want to keep a G, or at worse PG rating in their movies. In Tangled, for instance, when Eugene gets stabbed, the knife originally was stained with blood, but that fact alone almost got them a PG-13 rating, so they erased the blood and just left stains on clothes and stuff to keep it PG. Also, there *is* an example of flowing blood in a Disney movie. In the animated Beauty and the Beast, you can see blood flowing from the beast's stab wound.
I wanna see the pg-13 version it sounds much better.
This uncomfortability. Writing outside the box. For once, taking off the plot armor for just long enough to show true emotion in a character who doesn't show it, pain in a character who's never felt it, a sense of harsh reality in a character who doesn't want to accept it. This is what our world needs.
And coincidentally, the kind of themes I put into my writing.
blood can be shown on most shows because it doesnt show that someone died
instead, it just shows that the character got injured
You actually missed two big blood example from Disney's side. In Aladdin, when Aladdin stabs Snake Jafar, there's actually a good gush of blood for a second before it pulls away. the other is Sleeping Beauty, where you see blood seeping from the wound where dragon Maleficent was stabbed.
5:11 Shrek’s blood is the exact same gray as the arrow. 100% no lie
I personally think that blood no matter how big or small or how long the viewer can see it for should always be animated in serious or emotional moments. Because it really shows the impact or the importance of the scene, like Mirabel getting cut with the shards is a good example, it really showed how bad the house was being affected.
The same with the Puss and Boots movie, they didn't have to animate the blood, they could've left it at that and it still would've been in a massive impact on Puss, but because they said that he's never been touched/cut by a blade, the slice on his head with the blood dripping affected Puss massively because his opponent wasn't playing around and was ready to kill him on the spot while invoking fear in him
something else i also think is interesting is that when blood is shown in dreamworks, it's almost always a turning point in said story: Miguel's blood sets about the undoing of their charade, when Hiccup bleeds as a baby it's that scar/moment more than anything else where he also loses his mother (and why she believes it's best to stay away). Most injuries or demonstrations of blood in disney seem to be there to enhance the moment or set up little healing scenes later (Flynn's hand is cut so Rapunzel can heal it, I think Mirabel's is healed by her mom later if I'm remembering quickly) but the blood itself doesn't really reveal any character changes/turning points or big plot progressions
I remember watching road to el dorado as a kid and was never bothered by the sight of blood. never even gave it a thought. but the way I see it, the inclusion of blood in an animated film is for certain reason. That being to either: set a mood/tone in a scene, to provide a level of realism, or to further portray danger in a specific scene. when used correctly, blood in animated movies is not a bad thing. Dreamworks understands this perfectly as well.
personally when I think of blood in animated movies is that what makes me feel the impact of it is the use of it in the story.
comparing disney to dreamworks we see that the blood on flynn rider is because he got stabbed and will probably die or judy hops and mirabel got injured but they will be fine later. but when we see the blood in puss we think "he is not invencible" or when we see the blood in miguel we get the message from tzekel-kan that "he isn't a god because he bleeds"
the writing in dreamworks movies usually give to blood the matter of a twist in the story and I think this is where the impact of blood comes from DW movies
I was definitely thinking that when I saw just the thumbnail of Miguel bleeding. In plenty of stories and films, the injury (motivation, reaction, etc.) may come first and then blood is simply the aftermath. In other stories ('El Dorado' and 'Puss' as perfect examples) the act of bleeding itself holds the significance to the story and/or characters.
Well PG does stand for Parental Guidance for any kids who would witness anything in a movie that may need comfort or minor explanation to ease.
Guess Disney today wanted to be sure EVERYTHING they touch is marketable. Disney, Walt have said about how animation isn’t just for kids but to bring in the childhood within…. YOU USED TO GO EDGY ON OCCASIONS! Just look at the Brave Little Toaster, Tarzan, Great Mouse Detective, and your partnership with WB for Who Framed Rodger Rabbit.
One thing that wasn't mentioned in the video is that even though you showed that Tarzan bled for a couple of seconds, those scratches are not seen again, even later in the fight, despite it looking somewhat severe. I learned this from a WhatCulture video and it was apparently intentional, not by mistake.
I think the reason there is a lack of blood in shrek is because 3D animation was still new then, blood flowing in 3D is quite a hard thing to do and especially when 3D animation was still new
5:06 the arrow doesn’t actually Pierce his skin. It is the reason he doesn’t bleed. Donkey doesn’t realize he isn’t bleeding. The reason he says ow is because it scrapes his skin.
There was a little bit of blood in Trolls World Tour, when one of the twins pricks her fingers. Tiny Diamond and Biggie even faint from the sight.
I think the best uses, and the ones that really stick in your head, are the ones that use blood to remind the audience and especially the characters of their mortality - Tangled, Puss, El Dorado, all of them accompanied by death or a stark realization that the bleeding character CAN die.
2:53 While I've not initially seen the detail, I think it really changes the visual image of Death holding Puss's life in his grasp.
I think it definitely was right to include to add that visual story telling.
1:20 that crazy drip 🧥
Ben Ten was a show that wasn't afraid to tell edgy stories within it's art styled atmospheric universe. Unless if it's the current show.
Same thing with with the flow of the story, as Ben matures over time. HOW COME THIS KID AIN'T IN MULTIVERSUS?
I was raised big time on Disney, my family went to Disneyland almost yearly for the majority of my childhood, and we went to see all their releases and still sometimes do. (Slowed up considerably lately for various reasons.) But deep down I think I've always been more of a DreamWorks fan, without even realizing it. HTTYD has always been my favorite franchise and probably always will be. It _is_ the more creatively inspired company. They care most about the stories they tell, when compared to Disney.
In the black cauldron, seeing blood actually freaked me out because i was only allowed to watch newer Disney movies- so my first time seeing blood on a screen freaked me out
Although it's neither Dreamworks or Disney, the recent Nimona film had a funny scene where the main character's leg is bleeding
...that's the only violence in Nimona?
Not a character's arm getting cut off, a room full of dead knights, *a fucking suicide attempt?*
@@gasterthemaster6490those things aren’t important! A leg is more tragic and more violent, you’re just watching other show probably
This is sarcasm-
that was one example in Nimona I was referring to. All of that you mentioned wasn't funny in the movie
@@kawaiiqueee3489 I was under the impression you thought that it was *the only* violence in Nimona, or atleast the only noteworthy one.
Now I’m imagining some little kid getting hurt while playing and their parent being like: *”YuO cAn’T sEe ThAt, It’S tOo GrApHiC”* and running to cover the wound with their hand because god forbid that a kid sees blood
I think you may be glossing over the importance of when blood is shown. For Puss and El Dorado, the blood was a big important detail for each movie's plot. Of course they're going to really focus in on it when showing Puss discovering his fear of death or when Miguel unwittingly tips off the villain that he's not a god. Encanto's blood wasn't the important part. It was added flavoring for the more important issue of the magic fading. In that Tangled clip you keep showing in the cave the fact that Flynn is bleeding isn't the important part either. The narrative doesn't benefit from adding bleeding to the moment.
You can definitely make an argument for the intentionality of what each studio chooses as significant. Disney no doubt has rules about avoiding blood when possible. There's plenty to dig into when looking at the safety measures that each company puts up for their target demographics, but simply comparing blood scenes is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. What is each moment trying to convey and how does the bleeding factor into that message?
dreamworks has always made sure of making their movies entertaining for both kids and adults and as a result has much less “safety nets” as you put it in the video. throughout dreamworks there has been a mix of children’s and adult themes as well as intense scenes and more mature jokes. disney used to do this a bit more but i feel like cancel culture scared the writers and producers as dreamworks has yet to bow down to it
1:45 If I had known any better, that scene would've had my entire body frozen still as a kid 💀💀💀
I think Dreamworks have blood down to an art. They know when to animate and show blood and when not to. The most animated and prominent blood tends to be for plot moments (like Puss in Boots or Prince of Egypt). But them also adding blood in fight scenes helps sell the brutality and the danger the characters are in.
And where they don’t show blood may be a rating thing but it also works brilliantly. The arrow scene in Shrek for example. Without blood it’s ‘haha Shrek got shot in the butt) where blood indicates that he is really hurt. The donkey bit can also be put down to a ‘silly Donkey’ moment and keeps the lightheartedness off it.
In How to Train Your Dragon, not really adding blood in the baby Hiccup bit is also cleaver. This is where Valka has her revelation about Dragons. Adding Blood to the scratch may undermine it a bit, because at the moment it says ‘Dragons are not really evil and dangerous, in fact even when it does hurt a child it’s accidental and nothing more than scratch’. Blood could give the impression that the Dragons were lying and wouldn’t sell Valka’s moment as well.
Or at least in my opinion
I love Dreamworks so much. I hope they never get bought out or change
El Dorado no longer has that child innocence now that I'm years older and rewatched it. Things that you miss when you barely know the world.
Tangled and shrek are my favs they caught my attention so well and i love this types of adveture movies 😏 but yeah disney is very much hides blood but that dosent mean the movies are bad i actually adore disney movies but dreamworks movies are iconic they are having great control over em tbh both companies did great job on story telling 🤩
Disney : We will never show blood on the camera at least naturally.
DreamWorks : Girl have you heard of this thing called puberty.
Disney : Yeah we did that but it’s not natural.
DreamWorks : it kind of is though? Besides who doesn’t like a little stabby stab?
*Studio Ghibli running by Disney and DreamWorks with body horror and fatal injuries*
Disney : . . .
DreamWorks : . . . Like that...
Nickelodeon Studios: Amateurs.
*proceeds to animate Squidward's toenail being ripped out and SpongeBob ripping his own face off*
@@skepolotv4173 I totally forgot about that absolute childhood drama
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@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 Actually yeah you’re right he’s burning in hell
Dude, you have no idea about female puberty.
Fortunately I was a kid who grew up with both DreamWorks and Disney (and also anime!); my mum is amazing and she always showed me the best of movies. As time passed one of my favorite animated movies is still The Road to ElDorado even though it was not a story "for children".
I love El Dorado more than Treasure Planet, and I love Skypiea as equally as much as El Dorado.
There most certainly is things animators and creators are told they can't show. I remember seeing some behind the scenes commentary for My Little Pony; Friendship is Magic - about a scene where a glass jar broke. That was apperantly a risky move! They were all like "cool that they let us show the glass breaking". When I was a kid in the good ol' 90's, no villain was ever going to "kill" the good guys. It was always sme other euphomism like "destroy" or "erradicate". I also recently thougt about how Spider-man (90's animated show) lived in a world filled with laser weapons that would only stun you if you got hit, but uncle Ben was shot with a gun with bullets?! 😅 That was of course because of the sensorship of that day.
Disney not showing blood does not surprise me because Disney has certainly become a "strict brand company". It's all about the brand! Funny and cute animal side kicks, beautiful young big eyed princesses and apparently no trickeling blood.
I believe that the reason the arrow in shrek no blood on the tip is because shreks skin may be too thick for the arrow to surpass.
I beleve this because if you go to 5:20 and look at shreks lip it is very thick compared to the human lip. So the skin on shreks leg must have been too thick for the arrow to surpass. Thank you for your time.
Reminds me of the time my 5th grade teacher got all up in arms about the movie I brought to class, Princess Mononoke, cuz I wanted to share how great the movie was. But the moment she saw blood, she got all upset saying it had "too much blood," and I was just standing there like "how is this a problem?-" She didn't let us continue watching the movie, which is a shame cuz it has such a valuable moral lesson, respect nature or nature will fight back. Glad we have our priorities straight. 🤦
The blood on Puss made me realize that Death the Wolf is definitely not played for laughs
Don't forget Don Bluth studios. Secret of NIMH had Mrs Brisby cut herself on the wire cage - a full arm slash - then submerge the cut in her water tray to rinse it. And it goes on to show a full sword duel and a dagger in the back of a character. The scene is lit darkly and set during a rainstorm to tone down the bright red of blood, but the blood is still onscreen. Don Bluth wasn't playing around.
Disney has completely shifted to a kid friendly g rated dynamic meanwhile Dreamworks is not afraid of making content that targets all ages of the audience
Why is it so good and satisfying to see the blood coming out like when the blood drips down it's like so satisfying they make good animations with this and i f****** love it
9:27 What is the other thing you want me to do?
3:47 if you notice through out the movies he actually always had that scare if you look close enough love that attention to detail
Saw The Last Wish for the first time earlier this morning and that first scene between Death and Puss caught me off guard. If they were limited to just one scene of blood for the whole film, they used it masterfully.
Thank you for posting this again!❤
Don't forget Beauty and the Beast. It showed dripping blood and blood on the dagger (for what looks like a split second) used by Gaston after he stabbed the Beast.
I've never seen The Road to El Dorado but that "gods don't bleed" line goes hard. Gonna skip the rest of that segment and check the movie out just for that.
Tarzan's opening scene scarred me as a kid, that leopard literally haunted my dreams but couldn’t be compared to Clayton's death… a literal hanging, accidental to top it off… makes it a lot more distressing
With Shrek one, I expect that at least part of the reason no blood was added to arrow was because of how much time was lost finding way to animate the clothing and hair for the movie - or processing limitations. It's been a while since I watched the Behind the Scenes clips, but I seem to remember that they developed new method for the clothes and hair for Shrek - and I think they said something about each hair being individually generated (but I could be wrong). With a new - resource intensive - method being used, they may have found it best to just gloss over that one detail in this case... whether they wanted to or not. (And given how many boundaries Shrek was pushing when it came to a PG rating, losing the blood may have been in their favor anyway.)
My favorite part of Prince of Egypt, since you brought it up, was that they used early-ass computer-gen'd graphics for all the Plagues, as well as for moments like the destruction of one of the monuments at the end of the Ten Plagues sequence, _and_ for the parting of the Red Sea. I didn't notice it at the time, and I only found out years later.
My reaction was basically, "So THAT'S how they got it to look so unnatural, so _beyond this Earth!_ "
Bro this is a whole ass documentary! Thanks for making this video it was really informative and I love your content. ❤😊 (im a Dreamworks guy)