Michael Jordan would average 40+ PPG in today's NBA - Chris Broussard | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Since Michael Jordan retired from basketball, many have wondered how he would measure up in today's NBA. Nick Wright and Kevin Wildes are joined by Chris Broussard, who is convinced if Jordan were playing in the league today, he would average at least 40 points per game. Hear why Nick thinks this is Broussard's nostalgia talking, and while he believes Jordan would be a top two player at least, the lack of three point shooting in Michael's time would lower his average today.
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Would Michael Jordan have averaged 40+ PPG in today's NBA?
MORE LIKE 50
Nah
He'll average as much as harden. Jordan will get less than 40 ppg cause sharing the ball wins games and championships. He plays much better defensively than Steph,harden,or LeBron
Not even close. Not sure he'd even be a superstar. He's not quick/fast enough.
@@colinsushiboy745 He wouldn't average as much as Harden because MJ didn't shoot 3s like that. But he did take as many shots
MJ's best year he averaged 37. You mean to tell me he wouldnt get 3-5 more points off of free throws from the ticky tack calls of today?
He was waayyyy more athletic than guys back then... Today, nah
To be honest though Jordan got a lot of ticky tack calls other guys didn't get back then
@@tomzd99 Michael Jordan ran a 4.3 40 and had a 48" vertical. He is still more athletic than anyone in the league today
@@seanhyland4228 hahahaha... Flatter yourself
@@tomzd99 if you can point me to any player in the game today who has a better vertical and 40 time combo, I'll stand corrected. But you can't, because there's no one like that in the league. That 48" vertical still stands as the best vertical ever recorded in NBA history
Nick Wright: “Jordan had the benefit of greatest coach of all time in Phil Jackson” -Nick Wright
Phil Jackson: “With today’s rules and the spacing Michael would average over 40 ppg”
Nick Wright: Anyone saying Jordan would score 40 don’t know what they are talking about”
I think we all know who doesn’t know what they are talking about, Nick.
Dimitry Thomas 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣!!! This is golden.
Viper Predator What does that have to do with Phil Jackson saying Jordan would score over 40?
@Viper Predator u would pick Bill Russell over MJ in what 😂🤣 elaborate
Viper Predator The point is Nick said he’s the greatest coach ever. Mostly as a way to downplay Jordan’s accomplishments. Nick Wright literally said anyone who thinks Jordan would score 40 doesn’t know what they are taking about multiple times now. And for the record I think Lebron would also score 40 in today’s era if he really wanted to also. That’s just not how Lebron likes to play.
Dimitry Thomas
Exactly I think Hubie Brown said the same thing about MJ, that he would be averaging more ppg bc of the soft rules today and how it’s literally catered to perimeter players. It’s like Dan Marino playing in today’s NFL, dude would be killing it even more bc of the rules and the game is favored towards the quarterback.
I'm convinced that Chris Broussard is the voice of reason in NBA Media and he is the most logical person in the media.
And Jalen
Well u wrong
Even if you don’t agree with him, he approaches the topics in discussion with intellectual honesty.
Full disclosure, I happen to agree with his takes on most things.
I agree maybe 40-45
Even Durant said he would be the best player in the league
Naw Durant's just some old head sticking up for his era.
@@kb4231 not just Durant man, Kobe even stated MJ's fundamentals are the best ever..... Anyone that really know BBall, and studies it as a player knows that MJ was just in a class of his own. It was bound to happen he was the hardest working and most talented player physically and mentally. Dean Smith said it. Yeah there are tons of players today that are Talented, physically and mentally, AKA Lebron, but he doesn't work as hard as MJ did, no where near man. Where do you think Kobe's legendary work ethic came from, it was MJ lol.
Its like anything else in life, talent alone can only take you so far, a person with less talent if they work at it they can get ahead of a person with talent that doesn't work as hard. Put them all together though ya get beast.
Remember what Magic stated about MJ dream team practice, it was amazing to see him go off on the best players in the world once he trashed talked him. Totally different level of game play when he wanted to.
@@entium1 saying he has great fundamentals doesn't equal saying someone would be the best today or would average he would average 40+
antonio green
Yea but did you hear Nick Wright? That’s who you’re suppose to be listening to, not an actual NBA player...
@@charlescooks9360 fundamentals is what makes a player great man, MJ had no weaknesses, he could do everything, passing, rebounding, scoring, defense, everything, there was nothing we can say that he was not as good at as another player.
Its like this, look at single player sports, tennis, the best players in the world, they are up there because their fundamentals are just better then others. Once they have them, then they experiment with them and figure out how to get the best out of them for their play style.
We can look at other fields too, the best programmers or doctors in the world, everyone in those two fields have the same education right? It doesn't matter if ya went to Harvard or a state college, the education is still the same, same books. What makes one better then the other? The one that knows their fundamentals are able to do more things in different ways which then translates to efficiencies and new discoveries.
I love Nick trying to do these extrapolations with logic. The issue I have with him saying people in today's game would score less points, is that I think he is taking everything too by the numbers. I think a lot of why people are saying that Michael would score more is due to how his game would fit with the current style of play. They believe that Michael's game would be enhanced in today's game. Same as saying some big tough guy like Lambier would be worse today.
mikecw24 THANK YOU! You nailed it my friend!
So apparently you don't believe in logic? At least when it involves MJ. OK!
@@USGrant-rr2by well jordan destroyed a lot of logic back in his days... so :/
I think also, a good argument would be how many more points did jordan score ppg vs the 2nd best player in the league. then apply that logic to know.
I Believe he scored more PPG the sencond best, well then he would at the least be 7pts better than the second best now.
@@USGrant-rr2by It's not logic to think that the best scorer of all time will be able to take advantage of the modern rules that have been implemented to give huge advantage to the offensive players? Jesus...it seems like you don't believe in Logic. There's nothing logic about what Nick Wright says by the way, he's just lying because he has an obvious bias against Jordan.
Chris’s Zion analogy won the debate. A 6’6 guy who can’t shoot is averaging 20 points in his first year after missing half of the games & some people think Jordan wouldn’t dominate?
I agree now Jordan could dominate, but before the Warriors and Rockets ruined the nba from 2000-2014 was the best of the nba and he wouldn't average 40 then
That's the dumbest point ever like Barkley didn't avg 25 ppg at 6'4 😭😂
@@benjacoby4899 no MJ would've DEFINITELY averaged over 40 PPG for those 2 seasons but that's about it but when ur wanting to win, usually ur stats will suffer because u have to sacrifice them for the chip
@@shaunphillips3236 I agree right now he could, but the golden age in terms of athleticism and skill of the league was the mid 2000s after MJ retired, because he helped inspire a more athletic generation to play basketball instead of football, so the league became more athletic because of MJ, but this obviously happened after him. I don't think he could've averaged 40 in like 2009
Aaron Smith again, you missed the point. Zion is a ROOKIE and rookies averaging 20ppg is a rare feat.
James Harden averaged 36ppg shooting 44% from the field. Jordan averaged 37ppg without even averaging one three point attempts per game in 1987. Jordan also averaged 50% from the field in 13 seasons with the Bulls. If Jordan takes an makes one three per game, that’s a 40ppg average!
I’d also love to point out that Jordan was an elite defender for practically his entire career while also leading the league in scoring a record 10 times. There isn’t a single player in the league that has shown the ability to do so...the closest players would be Giannis and Kawhi, but they aren’t the scorer that MJ was at his peak.
For all y’all that are cheesed. Mike averaged 37 PPG virtually scoring everything from 2, in an era where the big man DOMINATED. So you put MJ in today’s NBA where the paint is wide open cuz of shooters... ya, do the math
For one season he would average 40 not a whole career
Exactly. It’s easier for Jordan to play how he plays in today’s era
There was no big man dominating when he did that😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 Larry bird Magic Johnson, Dominique Wilkins... Chief Keef lay off the lean, it got fredo
you did the math....Jordan scored everything from 2.. that's not today's game by far. We can't just make him the caliber 3 pointer of Durant or even Harden. Nick killed that point about the 3pt line being moved too.
bgrav007 any great player can play in any era. If the game demanded Jordan to be good from three, he wouldev modeled his game to do so. Lebron added a 30 foot jumper after Curry changed the league. Great players can play in any era I hate that argument it makes no sense
Nick Wright already lost this argument months ago when he said Zion dominates in the NBA because “the floor is so spaced out with shooters and there are no big men to challenge at the rim”. This is the exact argument Broussard and everyone is making for Jordan. I’m what you would call a Lebron “Stan” but this dude is straight lying
mj traveling through time and landing in what city and team at what age with what teammates and owner scoring 40+ is a different than Zion actually doing it in real time and not candy land for Jordan fan boys.
The reason why zion is scoring crazy today is because he is a rookie, he hasnt been planned yet by the other coaches. And the pelicans is not yet a threat in the west, remember jeremy lin, wasnt he the same, he was running and scoring left and right and even doing game winners until the miami heat game planned on him and shut him down.
The only argument he can make is that the guys defending him today would be better than the ones who was guarding him back them. More length more size more athletic but that’s it the rules would help tho
@@larryadams3676 more length and size doesn't mean you will be a good defender, watch dennis rodman, rodman was only 6'8 but can play defense, players today does not know to to play defense, are they trained to play defense? No, look at tony allen 6'4 guard who can play defense, watch kobe bryant comment on tony allen, shane battier dennis rodman, garry payton, are fundamentally defensive player
And mj played one on one with no double team and no zone but hey he had handchecking tho
Nick tell some facts but not all the facts. Yes the 80’s had the fastest pace of play but in Jordan’s two highest scoring seasons in ‘87 and ‘88 when he averaged 37 and 35 but the Bulls had the slowest pace in the league those two years. The Bulls played at a pace slower than today’s nba so yea if he had to he could average 40
Exactly and that's only one variable. If you add the rules changes to open up the game and give the offensive player the freedom we see today, he would average 50.
Saeed Villanueva true but there are teams today who played at same or similar pace than the Bulls did back then too. For him to even get close to 40 he’d had to shoot way more 3s. Plus he isn’t playing against athletes of the 80s for where he was just so vastly superior too. 35 is very possible for him. 40, nah.
@@newrecruit100 you do realize he would be reaping the same athletic benefits that the current players have if he played now, right?
vashthestampede11 correct but my point stands. He still wouldn’t be far and away the best athlete or have the athletic advantage today than he was in his era. That’s my point
newrecruit100 I think he would shoot more 3’s playing today so that would give him a couple extra points. He wouldn’t be steph curry or anything but he would make a lot more playing today. If he’s on a good team with other scorers then I think he would be around 33-35 a game but if he was on a average team then I think he score between 38-40
James Harden avg 36 points this year. I don't see why MJ couldn't avg more than that
Definitely
34
Keep in mind he’d also make the NBA all-defense team whilst scoring those 40+
Yup, the Nick Wrongs of the world forget he was a 10-time scoring champion - that wouldn't change in this era, just make it easier for him.
@George0880 yes he could career 33% and had seasons when he shot above 37%
Nick always get defensive when they talk about Jordan in today’s game. He wants to protect his boyfriend Lebron legacy
@Pete Pan way way worse. Its almost cult like
At all costs
If jordan released this doc 10 years ago there wouldnt be a convo. Yall needed a 10 hour highlight tape to convince yourselves lebron ain't surpassed jordan 4 years ago... smfh. Lebron got "chosen one" tatted on his back and that's still twice as humble as what Mike's tryna do.. you dont see joe montana making a documentary cuz brady is threatening his legacy.
@@danschriver75 it was originally supposed to be out for the 20 year anniversary of the 98 team dipshit
Maybe because this type of arguments are nonesense. We know that Jordan was great, we don’t need to insert him across drastically different points in basketball history just to try and prove he’d be successful no matter what and every other era might as well be trash because HURRRRR JORDAN COULS DEFINITELY AVERAGE 50pts wether it was wilts era or Lebrons.
Nick at his house dressed like Night at the Roxbury.
Bro calm down 🤣
KD has played 95% of his career besides multiple 20+ PPG scorers who average either equal or more shots than him. If he was the focal point of offense like Harden or IT, he would drop 40 easily, and so would Michael.
Nick is just cherry picking here. Why didn't he bring up Harden? Or Devin Booker? Or IT?
Because it didn't fit his narrative.
Same could be said about Broussards argument, which was Nick's point. If you assume Jordan would score 40ppg today, you would have to give that same benefit to the lesser players of that era as well, which no one is willing to do.
@@angelmoncada382 I didn't say anything about not giving credit.
I was just pointing out how absurd his arguement was.
Sounds like you didn't understand my point.
@@angelmoncada382 I do, and I agree with you. Any great player in Michael's era or any great player in this era, would be great regardless, but I was just pointing I how Nick was cherry picking, jeez.....
@@angelmoncada382 the major difference is then the took pride in guarding their own man, the played defense & then if u made it to the 2nd & 3rd level then the "no layup rule was in effect" so it was harder to score unless ur the elite. Steph Curry WOULDN'T have averaged 30 PPG. James Harden wouldn't average 30. Because he flops & etc he gets a lot of FT per game. I do believe that LBJ would've been great BUT I do believe he would've been more like a Shawn Kemp/Scottie Pippen hybrid type of player. He would be somewhere around 23 PPG scoring wise but would have about 9.5 AST average
Nick lost a lot of credibility when he said the Knicks teams "weren't that good".
Yep, that was pathetic 😂
that has nothing to do with this argument
@@charlescooks9360 I know, I just felt like pointing it out lol
They wasn’t tho
@@te-co_debarge Because...?
If it's a question of can or can't, sure he can. Just like most scorers can if they take an absurd amount of shots. Jordan isn't averaging 40 unless he wants to win 30 games and miss the playoffs.
He averaged 37.1 & made the playoffs. What u talking about smfh
@@shaunphillips3236 that won't work in this 3 point heavy era. The amount of spacing on the court is crazy. he can score all the midrange points he wants but when they are raining 3s on your head your going to get blown out.
Shaun Phillips they were below .500 and were an 8th seed. That’s his point. His team wouldn’t be good at all if he were using that volume
Your a clown he did what took to win and he’s a deadly scorer if he avg 40 they were definitely making the playoffs especially in the east foh
He averaged above 30 ppg 8 times and won championships fool he got 10 scoring titles
Nick comparing inflation numbers of U.S dollars to basketball stats lol?
Seems like a major stretch
That's called statistics you idiot
@@AlonzoCalPolyPomona Lol and yes statistics does not involve trying to correlate things that are totally unrelated. Thats the defintion of bad statistics.
It’s perfect except in reverse. Jordan’s biggest scoring numbers took place while there were the most possessions in history. It’s a pretty solid analogy
Imagine the silly numbers Jordan would put up in Houston’s system 😂
A lot but he wins nothing playing that way... Period
Ebenezer Akinbowale ok and what is your point?
My point is that playing to have lots of points isn't profitable.
you do realize that harden gets all those points while getting double teamed right? you do know it was illegal to double team in the 90's with more possessions while jordan put up those numbers right?
J Rizz
You’ve clearly never seen MJ play at all. You act as if MJ was in one on one situations ALL the time. Do your googles.
I believe Jordan could come close to averaging 40+ if he was the only Superstar on his team in today's era. Russ was able to average a triple double and no one thought that was possible. I think the key argument is that these guys today aren't the only Superstars on their teams. Durant and Harden could have a higher point average if they were by themselves.
nabil chowdhury nahh
Great point! Jordan is the GOAT why couldn't he do better then Durant and harden by himself. That's when he averaged 37 and when kobe averaged 35. When they had not so great teammates.
Also the game is not played iso ball anymore, unless its the rockets. There is much more ball movement which we saw what happened to jordans numbers when the system changed from a predominantly isolation offense to the triangle which involves a lot of ball movement
@Mike ferrari Ferrari quite the contrary actually. Most teams look for what u call hero ball is now called a "closer". Most teams need that guy to shoot the ball with confidence, create his own shot & actually be able to score when needed. So ur wrong. That said, that's what KD was on GSW. When Steph, Klay & etc weren't hitting, they went to KD because they knew he could score on anyone
We are forgetting about one key change:
ILLEGAL DEFENSE.
Back in the day, you couldn’t sag off in the paint for help defense, so you could clear out the court and could isolate and drive to the rim.
You are also forgetting that you couls still double or triple team a player. If you committed to doing so tou had to do it. There was no zone defense back then either, which is likened in a way to what you've stated, but the Celtics and Lakers and Detroit still played and floating zone. And you see what Jordan routinely did to them correct?
Nick Caught a BODY
Micheal Jordan is undoubtedly in the top 3 players of all time and very likely the goat but the game has changed so much. It's less physical yes but much more tactical and to say its because it's less physical its easier is stupid. Why doesn't anyone ever mention illegal defense?
Or flagrant fouling introduced after Jordan couldn't beat the Pistons. Or handchecking being introduced in 1978
Its never mentioned because it would knock down everyone's beloved MJ. Its sad
The lack of illegal defense matters but style of play is even more important. Replace Westbrook in Houston with Prime MJ. In that system where the floor is constantly spread allowing Westbrook to go ham MJ would be in the 40s easily. Or imagine him in Milwaukee replacing Giannis. Now it’s Jordan surrounded by 4 shooters except you can’t just let Jordan shoot like you do Giannis cause he’d get the easiest 60 you’ll see. Can’t just pick and choose your points. Look at the whole picture. It’s like when nick said the pace Ian 88 was the highest ever. Ok that’s half the story. Now imagine that pace with today’s rules and style of play. Tell the full story. I don’t see how a prime Jordan doesn’t get 40 a game given his skill set and how it would actually be accentuated today.
@@AlphaDwg name one mid-range player that is dominant in today's game? You either have to be physically dominant or a good shooter and Jordan is neither.
@@jeffball5804 oh you forgot they also introduced illegal offense because of MJ lol
Flagrant fouls probably started with Larry Bird, there was a game against the pistons where Bird was bent backwards very unnatural, and soon after that Bird's back gave out.
Why did they cut this off when Nick was talking
I'm 36 and I am saying it. Jordan would average 40.
Rob Jarrell so you’re old and wrong?
I'm nick wrights age and correct and not bound by millennial recency bias and have actual respect for the game and not engaging in hot takes
and his team would miss the playoffs cuz no one would play with him.
TitanPardy808
Unless he goes the LBJ route and teams up with two all stars to make it easier for himself. Do that and go to the weaker conference would help too.
I'm 35 and I'm saying it too! Jordan would average 40. Especially if the coach gives him the green light to score at will.
Kobe could avg 35 in the current NBA it isn't much of a stretch to think Jordan could avg 40.
Kobe would average more now than he did in 2006 hence Jordan would average more as well!
I am not saying he would average 45+ but 40 he could do that
@@dp4kallday how do you figure that? 06 was a long time ago.
Seeing that he got every call probably could
He shot 29 times
Phil said 45ppg at over 55% easy and that's before they softened rules even more.
@G-man u know that LeBron average 6 free throw a game and he attack the rim.
@G-man I basically agree with you
Some of these people just don’t get it. No one saying players like KD wouldn’t dominate back then. People are just saying that Jordan’s game would be dominant in today’s era. The closes things we have in today’s era right now are Westbrook who is like small young MJ and Kewhi who is like an older second 3pear MJ. You put MJ from 88 who just did whatever he wanted on the court or MJ from the first 3peat and yes that game and that player could get it 40 a game today. Guess what KD is getting 40 a game in the 80s too. We talking about great players here who not only translate to any era but whose games would just be straight up mismatches in a different era
You’re going to hurt these idiot’s brains with logic and common sense. 😂😂😂
💯💯💯💯 I feel like James in the 80’s would’ve been rediculous because of the illegal defense rules. He would put every weak defender on an island and cook. Your right certain eras help but the great ones are great regardless
So in an era where they can’t breathe on you Nick doesn’t think he could score more now. He would get more calls now. Nick Stop it.
LOL This dude never watched him play so he has no clue just how good MJ was and how he was able to adapt his game. It's hard listening to Nick Wrong!
Number of fouls and free throw attempts is lower now than when Jordan played.
Chetan Parmar You are so right.
Ryan Albertson no. But it was physical game some dudes couldn’t take the physical play. Especially when it came to coming in the lane, everyone isn’t mentally fit to take the pounding took to score points in the lane.
@@jameswinslow1651 There were more hard fouls back then, I'll concede that. But the majority of the fouls I've seen from that era were just about as minimal contact as one could have. So, yes, one would get hit hard a few more times a night. But the difference is very overblown.
Why no one address the disparity on free throws? Jordan highest year was like 8 per game now you get ridiculous calls....there's at least 4 more points a game for MJ
LeBron avg 6 free throw a game last season
@Nothing But Lunkers harden avg 11.8 this season so far and Jordan was known for attacking the basket constantly so tell me again why is so dumb to think is possible? Or you just the dumb one who gives the prizes!
@@smoothgent1011 yes thats true sir, but if you check lebron has seen less trips to the line and a steady decline in the last 3 years....maybe is because is not one of his strengths so he's not to concern in free-throw....but good observation sir thanks for the reply!
Nick Wright is really one of the smartest sports analysts
How?
The logic was impeccable, but you Michael fans don’t want to admit it... you can’t say Michael would score more now and not say these guys today would score less then, can’t have one without the other
Bruh we get it he’s the goat but why these old heads so biased I never heard not one negative thing about Jordan
because back 2 back 2 back then back 2 back 2 back
He's always pro LeBron most of the time.
because he doesn't have any bruh
Broussard is accused of riding LeBron all the time. He's the only objective one on FS1 who's personality isn't based on biased fanboyism to cater to sports fans with big egos that like arguing about sports on Instagram and Twitter more than actually watching sports
Han ; no he’s not bruh he’s known for talking about lebron all the time like every single media outlet
Im not saying I agree with everything Nick Wright says but he certainly offers a compelling argument that one has to at least consider.
Nick Wright may be the most logic and sensical person in all of TV.
Logic!!! lmao the guy that said the warriors was not going to win a championship with KD and said the warriors was going to be worse with KD.. yea that sounds logic to me..
@@snowmontana2547 yep then cried about how it wasn't fair after the fact.
In upside down world he is.
Nick Wright knows nothing about NBA basketball. He's horrible 😱. His takes are horrible. He doesn't use CONTEXT when speaking about MJ or prior eras. However he inflates everything about LBJ & this era smh
@@shaunphillips3236 Spot on.
These days have been tough for Nick, once a week the world is reminded that the GOAT is not Lebron, it is Jordan
No one could come up with an answer for where those points came from lmao
yes nick ur right about the 1987 pace but ur forgetting there are no bigmen today, no hand checking, and the style of play. jordan would get about 40 a game imo
I never thought of it in the way nick said. that's actually a good point
Charles Cooks no none of it makes sense he’s just a hater
@@miracles518 No it's non sense and you don't believe it's non sense, then you are an idiot.
Charles Cooks they forgot points from the foul line MJ would get the extra 8 points from the foul line easily especially if you can’t stay in front of MJ and you keep seeing the back of his jersey.Only thing to do is foul.MJ would have you with 3-4 fouls in the first half of the game
@@Ahch_not_op_of_Judah Plus with the poor quality of the moderndefense, his FG percentage would be go way up (that's a shooting guard who shot 50% for and averaged over 30 ppg for his entire carrer) so it's easy to envision 45-50 in today's game for MJ.
Cannot apply the comparison of an inflation curve over a time period vs a difference in skill set and game rule changes. There is no curve as parameters changed. Completely different sets of circumstances.
6:17 Nick's face says it all.
Nick Wrong all day long!!!!
Wright missing the point that he averaged 35 and won defensive player of the year the same year.. That energy he expended on defense, and scored 35 without 3s. He could easily average 10 more points.
it's a pretty obvious answer: if his highest scoring seasons were 35 and 37 ppg, and those years the pace of play/league scoring averages were roughly similar to what they are now, but with softer defense now, more foul calls, and a larger emphasis on shooting 3s, Jordan would score more easily and would probably add a couple 3PAs to his average, and he'd have probably hit 40+ ppg for a season at least a couple times. his career scoring average would probably be at least 4-5 points higher. it's already 30.1 and that's even with the 2 wizards seasons bringing his average down significantly.
Jordan would most likely avg 40-46 ppg today
Faxx on 50- 54fg% smh
@Lisa Rose faster pace, more 3s, more free throws, etc. Imagine if harden had Lebrons efficiency while taking those amount of shots. Tht would be Jordan.
N tht 37ppg yr he shot one of his lowest fg% btw, 48% lmao 🤦🏿♂️
@Lisa Rose you do realize tht if he was put in this era with modern technology n training methods athletes use he would be even more athletic right? He wouldnt just stay the same level as in the 80s where he was prolly the most athletic player ever still. 😂
@Lisa Rose im using harden as the standard because he is the highest scorer in this era as Mj was in his . N ur right mj didn't have to play like harden to avg 37 lol he did it more efficiently with less dribbles n effort n still in the flow of a team game especially once Phil came in.
@Lisa Rose true n im not saying avg 40-45 would be best for winning but if he was on teams like his younger years it would be more than possible n neccessary.
All im saying is i think he would be the top scorer in any era he has the highest avg ppg of all time i wouldn't doubt him yo do the same in an era designed more to help the offense regardless of athletes being better which is true. I jus believe its pretty clear he would be better also. 🤷🏿♂️
Nick, guys like KD and Kawhi don't score that amount because they don't need to. But KD can def average 40 a game if he tried
I don’t think Kawhi could but KD definitely. I just don’t see kawhi as a volume scorer which you would need to be to score that many.
And think about it, both of these guys study tape of Michael Jordan to add to their game. Have for years.
HMMMMMMMM!
Nick killed Chris on this one hahahaha
Whether you like him or you don't like him, Nick Wright has a point. The argument that Jordan would come into today's league and average 50 ppg is asinine when you consider the greatest offensive players in today's league are only averaging in the high 20s to low 30s. So then, what you're saying is that Jordan is so much better than today's superstars that he'd average 50% more points then they would. The extension of that argument must then be, if today's superstars were playing in the 80s and 90s then they'd only average in the mid teens to low 20s.
Basically it boils down to, if averaging 40-50 points a game were possible, then someone in today's league like KD or Harden would do it. It can't be that Jordan could do it and then these guys could also go to his era and be just as good, because what the argument is suggesting is that Jordan and his era of players are exponentially better than today's superstars. I don't buy it.
I'm not going to jump on board with MJ dropping 50ppg today, but yeah Jordan would score around 6 more points per game, so yeah maybe 36ppg for career or 43ppg for his best few seasons. The lanes more open, the 3 sec D rule, hand checking taken out, fouls called more on softer contact (so he'd get 2-3 more FT's per game), he'd improve his 3P shot to maybe around 35%. KD is a walking bucket, but not the work horse MJ was, Harden has a great handle and step back (and he can drive and is reasonably explosive but MJ was twice as explosive as Harden and MJ's mid range was around 7-8% more efficient.
Facts. It’s ludicrous that people say that.
9:10 Nick it had nothing to do with nostalgia. Accomplishments and respect of his peers is what Jordan have. He doesn't have to prove anything to a simpleton numbers guy like you
what peers? the guys he beat? what about the guys that beat him? lol.
@@wh3resmycar does Magic and Larry don't respect him or something? Like what are you talking about? The only player that might have resentment towards Michael is Isiah but they still respect each other's game. So yes I will take their words over a guy like Nick Wright
Nick Wright with an absolutely all time GREAT explanation. That inflation analogy was incredible.
And you believed it. Sad
That inflation analogy was a lie, the pace was high in 1987 but the Bulls had the slowest pace in the league compared to other teams. Not surprised he didn’t mention that.
Any number of guys could average 40 if they really wanted to - Lebron, KD, Curry, Giannis, etc. Jordan could too. It's not a winning strategy in most cases.
God bless you bro... Imagine in Houston's system... But he wins nothing averaging 40+
Heraclitean facts. Jordan and Lebron both could average 40 if they wanted to in this era
the media would tear him apart worse than Kobe and Melo for being the ultimate ball hog. people on twitter would be tracking every shot game to game and posting the results, the 50 million sports talk shows/podcasts would be calling him a bum for his selfish play and losing coach killing ways.
Kruppt808 They did tear him up back then. Said he could never win a championship and was only a scorer
Nick brought facts and everybody laughed
Nick you are arguing and debating with brick walls who blindly worship at the altar of Michael Jordan. And it's always with contingency. Well Jordan would perfect the 3 pt shot, he'd score 45 per game. I just watched MJ just average 41 in a series against the Suns.. Being guarded by 45 yr old Danny Ainge, 6ft Kevin Johnson and some guy named Dan Majerle. Such nonsense. 4 of the starting 5 of the Boston Celtics in the 80s wouldn't even be starters in today's NBA and Jordan hit them for 63. These geezers with the nonsense. Durant would drop 60 on 4 non jumping white guys too believe that.
You mean the same nick that worships lebron james, and talks down on KD and Kawhi everytime someone else wins a ring..
didnt mike drop 40 or 50 on players at 40 years old,players that prime lebron went against?
Points that would take him over 37 would come at the FREE THROW LINE !!!
How if no one is challenging you to the rim??????Since today's players play zero defense
They called more fouls and shot more free throws in Jordan's era.
@@kareemdagoat3020 Cuz when u drive nowadays if the player breaths on you its a foul thats how
Floor is spaced, no big man waiting for him at the rim, teams putting shooters on the floor over defenders, fast paced game, ticky tack fouls……Broussard covered everything well done
I agree, more possessions, no hand checks, no bigs, can't land in the halo, more free throws, better health
Jordan would be DeRozan today!
Haha good one
Why stop at 40? Why not 90? 1,487 ppg?
Remember, he only played 6 seasons and never missed a shot.
Nick Wrights burner is commenting on his own videos now smh
Herb Young
Dudes making up their own arguments just to bash MJ. Y’all fools hate that MJ went a perfect 6-0 in the finals so much huh?
Herb Young Broussard literally stopped at 40 and gave facts and logical reasoning why he could. He averaged over 40 in the finals. I feel like you guys feel better if you just view people who respect Jordan as a God who's untouchable when he's not, he's not a perfect basketball player but he's the greatest of all time. 40 is reasonable and most likely he would and that's pretty incredible.
Let’s continue not only would he average 60 PPG, but he’d average 25 assists. 30 rebounds, 10 steals and 10 blocks. And he’d do all that playing in sliders whilst having one hand tied behind his back and with a blindfold
Caleb Johnson 40 is not reasonable at all. Because it’s illogical.
Nick is right and he's using facts and not "I think or I believe" he going off pure fact and pointed out that at a higher pace of play Jordan capped out at 37ppg so now all of a sudden we want to assume Jordan would become a great 3pt shooter when for his career he was 32% from 3 , even though he did have 1 great year when he shot 42.7% from 3 ... But every other year would lead you to believe that was not sustainable for him and now we give Jordan all these what ifs . But the same people are saying KD and LeBron would be terrible in the 80s and 90s ... Double standards that only benefit Jordan
Nick mixes facts with opinion and omits crucial info to support his narrative. Do your own research.
Michael Jordan’s 3 point shooting isn’t good enough to average 40 denying Chris’ first point let’s use James harden as an example who’s the best scorer in the nba rn James harden chucks up so many shots, has the ball in his hands most of the time, and he takes soooo many free throws and he still isn’t averaging 40. Also Jordan isn’t nearly as selfish with the basketball which is also why I don’t think he would average 40.
Nah, Jordan doesn't need 3 point shooting to average between 40 or 50 in today's nba. But Nick Wright is a fool if he's been able to make people believe Jordan was a bad 3 point shooter. Jordan had a broken finger in his last season (unfortnately, it's not shown in the docuseries), that's why he didn't shot well with his 3's. He even shot at the free-throw line (for his standards).
The reality is that there are only 2 players that have been able to shoot over 38% from 3's in the playoffs for 3 finals runs. That's consistency: Stephen Curry and Michael Jordan in 91,92,93. Nick Wright is a straight up liar.
Jordan shot 33% for career 3pts and had seasons where he shot above 37% wtf are you talking about
Can we just take a second to imagine if Shaq was playing in this era..😰😰
Golden State would run him off the floor..
Ebenezer Akinbowale so true, will foul out every game, the bulldozing wouldn’t work today 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@JayWalk23 😅😅😅
Ebenezer Akinbowale not a young shaq. Would be interesting to see if the style of play would forced Shaq to be in better shape for a longer period in his career. Cause when Shaq was in Orlando he could really run the floor. A young Shaq dominates today’s league pretty easily. He’d break the new age math by shooting 60% from the field on 20+ shot attempts. Throwing to Shaq in the paint would be the most efficient play in the game.
He’d be a defensive liability and sit in the fourth quarter in playoff games like other bigs
Nick Wright is such a homer
Go look at the pace of play in the 90s
95-96 was 91.82 jordan avg 30.4, 89-90 was 98.33 jordan avg 33.6 96-97 was 90.14 avg 29.6 and there r plenty of more examples. Avg pace 80s 101.54, 90s 93.77, 2000s 91.36,2010 94.55, 2020s 99.24
Players in the 90s can't even guard MJ. What makes you think they todays players can guard him? 45-50+ a game. Easy.
Today's players on avg a far more athletic than what MJ faced in his Era. Of course there were good athletes but they would be many nights were MJ would face players that could not make it in today's game due to the lack of athleticism
4:00 to 5:15 clearly shows how Nick Wright really knows nothing about basketball and the NBA. He’s really doesn’t understand anything. This is such an un thought out analogy. And Nick actually made already made this argument months ago in favor of Jordan when he was talking about why Zion will dominate. He said “the game so so spaced out and there are not big men to defend at the rim. Nick is so full of bs
He is. He's also lying about the pace knowing full well that Jordan averaged 37 with the slowest pace of the entire league, which did not come close of the pace of the Warriors or the rockets.
Second, Jordan is the only player in NBA history, along with Steph Curry, to shoot at least 38% on 3-point field goals in 3 NBA Finals runs.
Jordan did this in the Bulls' 1991, 1992, and 1993 championship runs under the original 3-point line. He also did it in the 1996 championship run, but with a shorter 3-point line.
To think that he did not become a good 3 point shooter is a joke. He played the "last dance" season with a broken finger (even though they won't show it in the doc) that's why his his efficiency dropped from the 3's, the midrange and even the free-throw. He still dominated.
Smh I'm disappointed in Chris but if that's true LeBron would average 40 back then.. Why? The 3pt was less encouraged and driving to the rim was so LeBron wouldn't waste his shots on 3s like he does now and would solely drive and because he is a freight train and one of the best ever at the rim, along with his other scoring abilities, he would average 40. You can't use that logic kmt
Not with that pace.
Faiz Yuusuf That makes no sense. It was harder to drive because the paint was more protected and there were more good big men. Big men can’t even stay on the court now because they can’t guard the 3 point shooters. Jordan could definitely average 40 a game now since Harden does close to that. Lebron could also average 40 a game if he really wanted to in today’s style. That’s just not how Lebron plays though. He likes to facilitate
And not with mutombo, hakeem, mark eaton, shaq... waiting for lebron at the rim.
Lebron wouldnt dominate back in the 90s as he does now because he is mentally weaker then Jordan.
He is a physical speciment right now hes probably the best trained ever, MJ is smaller but played during tougher defenses so whats the difference.
MJ is a killer mentally physical will only take you so far and you cant train that.
Thats why Lebron mentally checked out in series before total meltdowns.
Talent only takes you so far and i guarantee Lebron is just as if not more talented then Jordan but he fails in the most important stat of any professional sport.
DRock7977 this paragraph is a joke lmfao u wasted ur time writing this
The argument of “he would have scored 40 in todays nba” necessarily means that if you take his style of play and drop him in the league now he’d score 40. You can’t then also make the argument that he’d tailor his game to today’s era, that defeats the whole argument. If you want to make the tailoring his game argument, it would mean he’d take more 3’s and have more free throws, but it would also mean he’d load manage and he’d have to guard guys way out on the perimeter, which is something we never saw him do in his era at the level it would need to be done today. MJ retired twice, that was his version of load managing, you could argue in today’s era he’d never play 82 games. He’s already the goat, we don’t need to inflate him any more by saying he’d score 40
Pace of okay was faster in the 80’s but the lane still clogged... it doesn’t change that fact or then hands on your chin either.
Nick dominated this argument
Why because you agree with him?
Not really. He made his points I’m not getting comparing other players in this era to Jordan. Not all anyway. We have a couple players who have pieces of Jordan’s game but not all so why bring up KD or Kawhi? We talking about Jordan and what he would do. So saying he would average 40 doesn’t mean KD would average 20 in the 80s and 90s. We are just comparing games. Jordan’s game would be a cheat code in this era. Just like KDs game would be a cheat code in the 80s. Both statements can exist without one meaning the other wouldn’t be true.
@@AlphaDwga round of applause for you. You get it.
his argument was terrible bruh what are you talking about
And they even cut out the best part at the end of the live segment
No he wouldn’t!!! 3point line was up 2ft in the mid 90s for 3yrs because they couldn’t score!! They want it pushed back further today, because of how Easy today’s talent can score!’ They’re more skilled, faster, stronger, more athletic etc.. and smarter!! The game is way faster!! And Jordan complained about zone defense...
They are outa their minds. They called that the Jordan 3 pt line
Than you bro for telling these people the truth
York Goldstein how many times have you seen NBA teams use zone defense? I mean, seriously.
Walt Clyde ur paragraph can be summed up with this ur an old head that doesn’t watch basketball clearly now but u can leave now
Wtf are you ?? Benjamin Button.......🦄🦄🦄
nick wrong in the 80's 90's and early 2000, they play tough defense...today nba is just pure offense
Nick leaves context out of everything. They dont play defense in todays league and there is soooooo much more open space to work with.
I don't think ppl realize its harder to defend the perimeter in today's era than the 90s because of the no hand check. But the 90s players dont realize it was advantageous for the defender
Nick is right on this .. old heads are so bias and nostalgic.. defensive schemes are way better today
Yet james harden averages almost 4p doing the same moves
Old heads logic is based on a collective fantasy they share.
antonio green that clip at the end that the cut off from the live show says it all. No one that was older respected the 90’s basketball ball and I guarantee that in 20 years, no one will respect the 2030’s basketball like they do remembering the 2010’s.
@@Deveaux5 factssssss
Oldheads most of the time are much smarter than YOUNG DUMMIES!!! They play NO DEFENSE TODAY!!! Smh
Jordan would definitely average a minimum 45 points a game. Facts!
If he averaged 40 his teams wouldn't be competitive. This is the current NBA. You cannot win with Iso. Back then you could.
ty scoring 40 and then what? your team is the Magic every year?
I'm 25 from this millennial "soft" generation, and I believe Michael would be the best player and average 40.
Debate over then 🤣🤣
JORDAN IS NOT WESTBROOK! QUIT SAYING THAT! JORDAN HAD THE BEST MID RANGE GAME EVER! HE WOULD ADAPT AND SHOOT 3'S IN THIS ERA ALSO. GOAT BY FAR!
Lazer nothing else to add
And no defenses would adapt.. riiight
People don't realize, there is illegal defense before. Now you can guard space. Will make it harder for jordan
Would’ve, would’ve, would’ve… here’s a fun fact. Michael Jordan shot just below 29% from 3pt range in his career, with the 3pt line at the distance in todays game. That would make him the 5th worst 3pt shooter in the history of the NBA for those with over 1000 attempts. How does Broussard know that he’ll be an above average 3pt shooter in todays game? He might but you can’t use that as a talking point
tf? No he didnt. You are misinformed lmfao. Jordan averaged 32.7 percent in the regular season and 33 percent in the playoffs
Nicks debate was solid def. needs to be revisited.
If he started from 15
It's possible. But Defensive schemes are so different these days we would have to see Jordan play a style we never really seen, The post up and mid range game is a dying breed. Zone defense would make it tough to post up. But is it possible of course the man was a scorer
I don't think LeBron fans understand. Jordan used win scoring titles by 4 to 5 points per game every year . it wasn't a competition. Even with the Washington Wizard years included. Jordan was an over 30-point a game career scorer
Ok, let's talk some facts. Why Jordan would be averaging 45-50 in today's game is a cumulative case. Let's debunk the Nick Wright arguments first.
@3:30, first lie of Nick Wright, today's game is still faster than in 1987 and nobody called him out on that.
When James Harden averaged 36 he did it at a 115,5 points/100 possessions pace and when Jordan averaged 37, he did it on a 108,6 points/100 possessions. So, that's number one.
@7:10, the more shots Jordan ever took is 27, not 35. So, that's a second lie of Nick Wright.
@Third lie, the 3 point shot. First of all, the reason why Jordan shot poorly the 3 point shot in 1998 was because of a brokan finger he suffered for the entire season and playoffs. He even had his worst season at the free-throw line, shot under 80% for the first time in his career. Second, Jordan's accuracy at the 3 point line has nothing to do with the shorter line in 1996.
First of all, in 1990 with the normal non-shotened 3 point line,Jordan shot 37,7% from 3's.
Now, in the Playoffs, where the true value/level of a player is really evaluated due to the level of play and competition (in comparison to the regular season of course), Jordan is litterally the ONLY player in NBA history, (along with Steph Curry,) to shoot at least 38% on 3-point field goals in 3 NBA Finals runs.
Jordan did this in the Bulls' 1991, 1992, and 1993 championship runs under the original 3-point line. He also did it in the 1996 championship run, but with a shorter 3-point line. So, it is litteraly A MYTH to say that Jordan wasn't a good 3 point shooter.
Four other players meet this criteria in multiple NBA Finals runs
in nba history.
- Terry Porter (1990 and 1992)
- Manu Ginobili (2005 and 2007)
- Ray Allen (2008 and 2010)
- Stephen Curry (2015, 2016, 2017)
Of course, we can go deeper into how much tougher the rules were but I will side with all time great coaches
Phil Jackson in 2006 (when the defense was still far better than in today's nba): "Michael Jordan would be averaging 45 points per game with those rules".
Larry Brown: "I always tease Michael, if he would play today, he would be averaging 50"
Nick Wright, come talk when you learn something about the game of basketball.
thats why he is on tv and radio every work day talking about sports and you are posting on youtube videos of his and nobody cares. well one person cares, you did get 1 thumbs up.
congrats.
Nick is actually right
This is ridiculous. He would need to take 30 shots a game minimum. No team is winning with one player taking all those shots.
People are too easily fooled by the whole "the defense back then was much tougher" narrative. Yes, hand checking was allowed, but zone defense was illegal (which was for example the strategy of the Mavs in the 2011 finals in order to throw Lebron off his rhytm). And players are just more athletic and stronger nowadays. There is a difference between scoring on Dan Majerle in the finals or playing against Kawhi Leonard. Of course MJ would dominate in any era, but the difference in his scoring wouldn't be that huge.
THANK YOU
Kai D. Kawai has no problem scoring in the league and he is a less athletic less explosive version of MJ stop the non sense
Dee Person kawhi doesn’t average 30 a game pretty sure he doesn’t even average 27 so that just proves the point
How are players more athletic and stronger? There isn't a difference in my opinion compared to the 90's in terms of that.
Cheetos Leonard averaged 30.5 in the playoffs were the defense is even better and he is not on Jordan’s level as a scorer he plays like the 97 98 Jordan which proves my point Kawai is averaging 26 ppg this year playing like 30 min a game 😂 😂😂
MJ’s game IS exponentially better than Durant
Nick is a youngin’
HOWWWW?? What does MJ do better?
@@bgrav007 everything
MJ had the most complete game ever shooting, dunking, lay ups, footwork, speed agility quickness. I'm pretty sure Jordan was physically stronger than KD too.
After this "final dance" doc, MJ fans been coming out the woodwork sounding crazier and crazier.... I think we need to get rid of bronsexuals and replace it with Jordansexusls because the amount of nut riding has never been so high WITH ANYONE!
@@jacadianpro maybe their are alot of jordan fanboys but as a neutral knick fan jordan was much better than lebron. Period.
The easiest way to prove that argument is that the lack of defense and the one on one isolation with Jordan’s ability to use footwork and speed and his ability to finish at the rim with hang time or reverse lay up those shots he doesn’t have to make because spreading the floor and nobody guarding the rim, 10 extra points comes from the fact that 5 more shots he misses become easy makes because of the lack of defense. Easy 5 uncontested shots equal 10 points. He averages 45 one year and the following year the league changes the rules because he’s so dominant the games become boring
Its difficult to say he would avg 40 pts his whole career if he played today. But I'd say his highest scoring single season would be 40 ppg or more.
WTF is Nick talking about?!? Hats off to Chris Broussard; he’s absolutely right 💯
More athletic wing defenders, smarter coaches, and zone defense. No to mention he would expend more energy playing defense since players use more of the court.
MD 5Slow more athletic but bad wing defenders is Andre Igudala more athletic than Grant Hill Anferne Hardaway no they are the same Defense is about effort and intensity foot work hand position by your comment Zach Levine should be a great defender and he is terrible at defending I’m sure Jordan would struggle with him🤣🤣🤣
Nobody plays zone defense, too many 3pt shooters to play zone, if so they would run zone all day against the bucks to stop Giannis
@@Urbanboy23 thats literally how they stopped him in the playoffs last year. And its more so about illegal defense. Being able to drift away from you man
@@deeperson7711 they had bad wing defenders in the 80s and 90s to. The skill level for offense players overall was just lower.
@nabil chowdhury I respect your opinion but disagree
stop cutting the clips off mid point
Nick Wright is arguing that Kawhi and Kevin Durant are on Michael Jordan’s level
If you honestly think Jordan couldn’t average 40 in today’s game you’re a fool. We are watching a guy who didn’t even make the all star game(although I believe he should’ve) average 30 but it’s ridiculous to think Jordan (who’s to most the goat) average 40?? Nicks acting like the pace of play was Chris only argument. When the pace of play was similar to today’s he averaged 35 despite not attempting any 3’s it’s easy to make that jump to 40 when you factor in today’s 3 point shooting era. Also like Chris said with the floor being so much more spaced it would undeniably open up driving lanes for him. Only people arguing against are the blind witnesses who are trying to push their pro lebron anti Jordan agendas
I think Nick just broke down the math on how it would just about be impossible, or did you miss that part? The pace of play, the fact that he NEVER averaged that many points for the season etc. I think you should watch the video again...
Prince ChaRodd Actually he didn’t. Durant only averages 26 cause the style offense he is in and the other great scorers around him not because he doesn’t have enough talent to average more. The pace of play argument I’ll admit is an inexact science but myself, Chris and others are assuming that the offense would be built around MJ like it is for Harden or Beal. If you still don’t like that argument then myself and Chris laid out others that you and Nick failed to acknowledge so you feel free to try and deny that now.
Honestly, I think 40 a game is really conservative. the difference between the kind of defense Jordan had to deal with and modern defense is ridiculous. Jordan could average 50 under those circumstances.
Arent kyrie avg 35 this season?
@@megadrive6573 mj and Kobe are similar players. Mj, Kobe, LeBron, kd all can avg 40 but it won't lead to winning. Lol now u saying 50. Mj took a lot more shots than LeBron
Thank God for Nick Wright's logic and common sense.
Len F. Steph Curry would be the GOAT if he played with a shortened 3 Pt line in 94’-97’
Len F. You mean lying?
LOL he's just cherry picking. There's no common sense in that KD MJ comparison.
Nick is one of the most stupidest sports analyst on TV.
@@sarangdesai9035 He cherry picks and leaves out facts all the time. So what says is correct, but could easily be debunked if you do you're on research.
I think Nick's argument is actually very good! If you say MJ will score 40 in today's game, why doesn't Durant? Broussard doesn't understand this simple point. If nobody is scoring even close to that in today's game, there must be a reason right???
The problem with Nick is, he's a super fan of LBJ so he desperately wants him to be the GOAT. He spends most of his time looking for facts that support his dream but never tells all the facts like here where MJ's bulls in '87/'88 pace was the slowest that year and was actually slower than any team currently playing. I feel bad for the guy, he must lay awake at night thinking of facts and stats to support his dream. My all time favorite player list has MJ at #8 (LBJ #2) but I'm not blind, MJ is GOAT.
Feel bad for Chris here, Nick didn't have to do him like that
MJ GOAT, THAT SAID NICK IS WRIGHT THAT HE WONT BE 8+ PPG BETTER THAN DURANT UNLESS HE PLAYS HERO BALL WHICH LEADS TO NO WINNING (HARDEN ETC)
Every point Nick brought up was false, Chris just didn't know what to say because he's ignorant.
@Krazie Genius Yep
@@msmaduna Well Jordan did win 6 championship by playing hero ball on a consistent basis.
You guys do realize that MJ is athletic in comparison to the guys he played against right, him high flying antics that were absolutely amazing in the 90s are standard in the modern NBA, he is still a gifted scorer but his greatest advantage his athleticism wouldn't be an advantage today.
Yes the late 80's pace was similar to today. And yes MJ scores 37ppg and 35ppg in that pace without an open lane like today, with fewer fouls called than today. Even if MJ takes exactly the same amount of shots as he did in those seasons, he's defended less in the lane = higher FG % = more points. He's goes to the FT line more = more points. Of course MJ would average 40 and 42 ppg today in his peak scoring seasons.
Exactly!
And the other thing I need y'all to understand is that you have players like Jalen Rose and Kevin Garnett who say the same thing and they played in both Eras
Wilds was pretty controversial in this one