These SPEAKERS are going to CHANGE the Industry - Everything we know about the SVS Evolution

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  • čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
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    SVS Evolution are going to change the industry forever. The amount of innovation that is in these is unheard of for speakers in this price range. Join me, as I, along with Nick from SVS exhaustively go through the SVS Evolution speakers, so that you could get the most information about these.
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    Game Changers 0:00
    Physical Time Alignment 0:19
    Force Balance Array 4:20
    Not your typical Tweeter 6:26
    Woofer Material matters: 8:11
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  • @Dave_Schmitz
    @Dave_Schmitz Před 3 měsíci +9

    Nicolas- I watched every CES SVS video and by far, you had the best overview, asked great questions & explained key concepts! Love that you mentioned waterfall graphs related to quick start/stop. For those unaware, can you explain/expand on this and/or link a video?

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +3

      Thank you Dave. I don’t have a video explaining waterfall graphs currently. It might be something in can do in the future. Explaining speaker measurements in general.

    • @kylewilliams3306
      @kylewilliams3306 Před 3 měsíci

      Hi there I want to know what size plastic box you would recommend for putting 6.5 1/2 150watt marine speaker both fit on the front of the box please get back to me thanks

  • @PappaBear_yt
    @PappaBear_yt Před 3 měsíci +15

    Time will tell, but I don't think these gonna change anything. Some people just want cheap speakers, others want high-end... There's a market for every product, but to say they're gonna change everything is a pure overstatement.

    • @YouSoundButtHurt
      @YouSoundButtHurt Před 3 měsíci +3

      Yeah it's just youtube hyperbole.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +2

      I agree, time will tell. But in this price range they are really innovating and providing a design that would typically cost significantly more. Hopefully this will help push other manufacturers to do the same. If so, everyone wins.

    • @PappaBear_yt
      @PappaBear_yt Před 3 měsíci

      @@Toid Let's hope for the best then.

    • @oliivioljy9700
      @oliivioljy9700 Před 3 měsíci +1

      It is SVS's big infinite lie! If technology like that, which is at least 20 years old as long as a human life, is said to be revolutionary or a new product design that will change the world, then huh huh liars!
      So what does the genelec 8381 flagship speaker dsp/full digital and also an analog speaker do for this with 12kw power? Maybe the quality of the sound is worse? The certain price is bigger, of course, but it was about exposing the lie with which these SVS: fraud-happy market-minded swindlers are now happily poisoning people. Of course, they may be good in their opinion, but they are far, far from the cutting edge of current technology. At least 20 years.
      Americans lie all the time and very often things are exaggerated on almost every you tube channel these days. They are absolutely outrageous!
      Thumbs down!

  • @broosky333
    @broosky333 Před 3 měsíci +21

    Very cool stuff SVS is doing, but physically aligned designs are hardly anything new. I had a set of Dahlquist DQ-10s that did something similar in the 70s I think, but much less elegant.
    Either way, I would love to hear a set of these.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +2

      You’re right. Physically, time aligned drivers are definitely not new. But when you add everything that they’re doing together at this price point, it’s pretty unheard of. It’s more impressive that they’re doing all of this in a price range that is accessible. That’s where things get very interesting for me.

    • @dihydrotestosterone
      @dihydrotestosterone Před 3 měsíci

      Time alignment is a marketing gimmick! Scientifically it doesn't make any sense... don't believe me? Read floyd toole's book.😮

    • @attainableaudio4533
      @attainableaudio4533 Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​​@@Toidyeah, as I was watching I said it better be the price. Of course non-diy almost always sounds expensive to me but if someone is not a diyer yes it can be looked at as a good deal, guess it depends on if one likes their sound or not.
      Anyway good job covering it!

  • @gregkramer5588
    @gregkramer5588 Před 3 měsíci +12

    I thought the phase delay of a passive crossover minimizes the benefit of this curved baffle.

    • @scottcooksey5284
      @scottcooksey5284 Před 3 měsíci

      No need for both.

    • @paulgood2218
      @paulgood2218 Před 3 měsíci

      Depends on the crossover design , several company's been building speakers this way for decades with very good results. So I feel it's a step forward in there design

    • @paulgood2218
      @paulgood2218 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@carlosoliveira-rc2xt I have heard some steped baffle speakers that sound amazing. Ya I did not try testing them with and with out the step baffle thats impossible for me I don't have that kind money or equipment. But useless and next to useless is not the same thing. When you get to higher end speakers it's the sum of many many small things that make the speaker just that little bit better or worse. And if it was so useless why have so many amazing speakers and speaker designers all made there endgame speaker designs using this feature ?

    • @AT-wl9yq
      @AT-wl9yq Před 3 měsíci

      @@carlosoliveira-rc2xtYou're right. You would need to do quite a bit more to this speaker just to equal what was done over 40 years ago. And at a reasonable price. Just to be clear, though, I'm not saying that its a bad speaker. To be honest, the tittle of the video got my interest. The nicest thing I can say here is that he needs to learn a bit more before he tells other people what to do. Seems like a nice guy, but definitely new to audio.

    • @revo1336
      @revo1336 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Flat baffles are easier to build but usually means more elements in the crossover.

  • @psyphonyxaudio
    @psyphonyxaudio Před 3 měsíci +5

    Time aligned .. only if your main listening height is direct on axis with that tweeter height off the floor.
    .. Personally.. I think they could also include a kit for tilting the towers back to align for different heights / Isolation feet package.
    It's the Focal Kanta / Sopra looking baffle. / Wilson Audio style ( as well as a ton of other brands have done this )
    REALLY cool .. and we'll see how they measure up in due time. =)

    • @joppepeelen
      @joppepeelen Před 3 měsíci

      Yep and you have to sit on the ground for that to happen

  • @jean-philippepelan4594
    @jean-philippepelan4594 Před 3 měsíci +4

    I like your anthousiasm ;) . The alignment is more relative to the emissive parts of ​​the speakers than the position of their magnet in my opinion. This type of configuration already exists at Focal for example. The Utopia series, which takes into account horizontal and vertical alignment, but also a box for each speaker.

    • @paulcsaszar5824
      @paulcsaszar5824 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Separate boxes don't mean anything it's about time alignment of speakers in a box basically they are copying focals design in one box.

  • @SummonerPrime
    @SummonerPrime Před 3 dny +1

    Has anyone told you that you look like Patrick Stump's twin that decided to go into audio: speaker making instead of audio: music making?
    Thank you for the informative video. Did enjoy.

  • @navinadv
    @navinadv Před 3 měsíci +6

    Glass fibre has been used for a long time. I remember Focal using this material over 20+ years ago.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +3

      Agreed. I love glass fiber. I used one many years ago in a a DIY design. I just found it interesting that SVS was very cognizant of why they were using glass fiber versus just any material that they could use.

    • @navinadv
      @navinadv Před 3 měsíci

      @@Toid@Toid Do you have any experience with woofers made from the multi-ply carbon diaphragms (I think they call it TexTreme)?

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@navinadv I haven’t used the woofers, but I have had experience with Textreme used in compression drivers, such as the N314x-8. In fact, I did a video with Eminence where they go over why they like it so much for their compression drivers. But in general, it appears to be a very nice material for drivers. there’s already been quite a few companies that have started using it with success. I’m looking forward to seeing more of it.

  • @jeffcarbello9115
    @jeffcarbello9115 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Was about to pull the trigger on some Klipsch RP8000 to go with my loved SVS sub, but now I may have to wait to see what SVS has came up with for HT sound. Always love what SVS does and their customer service is A+ just felt the SVS are great they fell a step behind on Klipsch for sound stage for HT

    • @hpcam1
      @hpcam1 Před 2 měsíci

      Love my RP8000's I picked up for dirt cheap recently new...

  • @georgelien
    @georgelien Před 2 měsíci

    Looking good ! 😂 Cannot wait to hear them in person

  • @MattyDaddy14
    @MattyDaddy14 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thanks for going over these new speakers!! I’m excited to see the reviews!! I’m glad they are making a “middle road” size tower also!!! The tower with 4 -6.5” woofers fits my space perfectly (plus cost is less).
    Just curious, do those guys in the background not realize you’re trying to make a video that 1,000s of people are going to see??!! Umm… 🎉

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      I’m glad you enjoyed the video. And I agree I’m glad that they’re making a couple different sizes.
      I’ll be honest, I sure did laugh out loud when you put that last comment up . That was pretty golden.

  • @johnparks6172
    @johnparks6172 Před 3 měsíci

    How low will the frequency response go abd what is the power rating? Are these 8ohm speakers?

  • @ChihuAudioMan
    @ChihuAudioMan Před 3 měsíci

    Some cables for RCA receiver pre-amps to power amp inputs would be nice for the accessory lineup as well.

  • @christisdale9977
    @christisdale9977 Před měsícem +1

    hi,just found your channel and enjoy your content.i just subscribed as well.

  • @Jack96993
    @Jack96993 Před měsícem

    My concern might be the height of the tweeter off the floor Is it ear level?

  • @dannyseville2543
    @dannyseville2543 Před 3 měsíci +2

    With a concave face, does this mean there is an optimal distance for them? Given how some people spend ages positioning speakers (me for one) for optimal sound with what we have, this almost seems like adding another thing to need to consider.

    • @oliivioljy9700
      @oliivioljy9700 Před 3 měsíci

      DSP and acoustics are the solutions to problems.

  • @michaeloconnor9465
    @michaeloconnor9465 Před 2 měsíci

    What are the frequency responses.

  • @ms19631964
    @ms19631964 Před 2 měsíci

    Are the grills made of plastic or metal? Are the cabinets made with High Density Fiber of Medium Density Fiber board?

  • @chrisfromoh
    @chrisfromoh Před 3 měsíci

    Should I pull the trigger on some SVS Prime Bookshelves or Towers at their discounted closeout price to replace some Infinity Primus Towers or wait for the SVS Evolution reviews? I've a 5.1 setup with an L shaped couch with multiple listening points.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      Honestly, I don’t think you’d go wrong with the SVS that their discounted price. Especially since we haven’t measured the evolution yet. They have some really great design ideas, but we’ll have to see how well they were implemented later.

  • @JR-ho5qm
    @JR-ho5qm Před 3 měsíci +1

    They look good! But I wish there was driver trim rings to hide the screws for a more modern look

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +2

      That would be a really nice touch!

  • @mezball
    @mezball Před 3 měsíci +5

    Okay they look good, but let us get real here. How do they sound in your room, my room, or with various equipment? Looking pretty does not mean a thing.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      You’re right. There’s a lot that we don’t know about yet. And listening to those speakers in that type of environment, will never give you a great idea of exactly how they sound. it won’t be until people get them in for review and can do some testing in various listening areas that will get a good idea of exactly how good they sound. I am intrigued with everything that they’ve done for the price that they’ve done it for. so it will be very interesting to see how they do in the real world.

  • @walterdockins8475
    @walterdockins8475 Před 2 měsíci +1

    SVS has done pretty well so I'm sure they put some $$$$ into the R&D. They look and sound good on paper. Time will tell if they chage the game as there are already great performing speakers in the $5k range.

  • @BB..........
    @BB.......... Před měsícem +1

    I can't find any spec for what slopes they use in the crossover, do you know? I'm a Dunlavy owner (SC-V, SC-IV & SC-III), so seeing SVS' claims makes my spidey-senses tingle a little bit. John Dunlavy showed that the only way to have accurate time-aligned passive speaker was with 1st-order crossovers, stepped baffles and sealed enclosures. Ports make the Q go way high, and 2nd-order and higher crossover slopes cause the impulse and step response to measure like 💩.

  • @DIYhyfy
    @DIYhyfy Před 3 měsíci +5

    They really nailed the design. Focal has been big on this for a while, but the SVS looks much more understated and simple. They did a really good job modernizing this design, and at a lower price point no less.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      I agree. The biggest thing for me is the price point of which they’re able to do this. Making it a lot more accessible for those that don’t/can’t spend the focal money.

    • @scottcooksey5284
      @scottcooksey5284 Před 3 měsíci +3

      And they are still inflated.

    • @pataldorr
      @pataldorr Před 3 měsíci

      What is the retail price

    • @Dave_Schmitz
      @Dave_Schmitz Před 3 měsíci

      @@pataldorr 3 Towers: Ultra Evolution Pinnacle is $5K/pair; Ultra Evolution Titan is $4K/pair & Ultra Evolution Tower is $3K/pair.
      The Ultra Evolution 3-way Center is $700.
      2 bookshelves: Ultra Evolution Bookshelf is $1,200/pair & Ultra Evolution Nano is $800/pair. Ultra Elevation height is $800 each.

  • @Thomas..Anderson
    @Thomas..Anderson Před 3 měsíci

    0:04 What is that triangular wall covering in the back? I have seen it before and want to know if it is a product.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      You can get them from my Amazon link: amzn.to/3SboWEX

  • @dennisbohner6876
    @dennisbohner6876 Před 3 měsíci

    Reminds me of the Dayton array. Great idea with an assortment of problems, but they (taken from reviewers) sounded great.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      They did sound great. However, critically, judging speakers in that type of environment is impossible. Hopefully I can get some in and give better judgement to the sound quality.

  • @kenhiett5266
    @kenhiett5266 Před 3 měsíci +10

    These will not change the industry. Of this, I'm sure.

    • @oliivioljy9700
      @oliivioljy9700 Před 3 měsíci

      genelec ones, master series, and new 8381 is perfect.

  • @Nightjar726
    @Nightjar726 Před 3 měsíci +6

    Time alignment will only be possible in one position. Once you move a touch in any direction it won’t. Plus it doesn’t make a difference
    We really need to see the measurements first on these speakers before making any assumptions

    • @MyFatherLoves
      @MyFatherLoves Před 3 měsíci

      Time alignment works in this design perfectly in the horizontal axis and then has a gentle roll off in SPL in the vertical axis.

  • @paulhester8086
    @paulhester8086 Před měsícem

    Vapor deposition was used by Yamaha starting in 1975 in their NS-1000 and 1000M series speakers. Old cutting edge tech.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před měsícem

      You’re right. Most of the technology used in the speaker isn’t anything new. But it is new in this price range. I’ve always really liked glass fiber mid range. I’m tired of all the aluminum or cheap basic paper woofers. Give me some textreme, glass fiber, bamboo. But make sure you give me a reason why you’re using it. Don’t just use it because you’ve been using it for the past 20 years. I appreciated Nick knowing why they used that particular type of driver.

  • @jungtarcph
    @jungtarcph Před 3 měsíci +2

    It is not time-aligned if I stand up.... there should be a sensor updating vertical time alignment in real time, from whether I stand up or sit down.

    • @MyFatherLoves
      @MyFatherLoves Před 3 měsíci

      Why would you be purposefully listening off-axis in the vertical axis?? Your argument is simply that. An argument for arguments sake.

  • @majtextwriter1794
    @majtextwriter1794 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Waaww what a "game changer", what a "revolutionary" approach :)) OMG !! Great advert "chat". If you got some bonuses for this, I understand doing this.
    I am singing off.

  • @iAbdullah_Hamad
    @iAbdullah_Hamad Před 2 měsíci

    That's actually impressive! (Coming from an engineering background)

  • @vvidover
    @vvidover Před 3 měsíci +3

    But Toid, who wants the game to end? 😮😂 I play to play.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      So true 😂🤣😂. What was I thinking 🤔

  • @Pete.across.the.street
    @Pete.across.the.street Před 3 měsíci +1

    Looks awesome. Aluminum dome tweeters give me headaches though😢

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      A lot of them have very strong, breakup modes that I don’t appreciate either. Supposedly this diamond coating helps prevent that. Unfortunately, critical listening in an environment like that is very hard to do. Hopefully I can get some in when they come out, that way we can see if that helps.

    • @Pete.across.the.street
      @Pete.across.the.street Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@Toid I had a pair of Cantons that had a ceramic coating on the aluminum dome, it didn't help. Had to return them. Hopefully svs figured it out with the diamond. At least they make returns very easy, so you can try out and see. Those things seem like a pain to pack back up and return though. If they had a different tweeter I'd be much more likely to buy then. I really like the concept of them.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      @@Pete.across.the.street I agree. I definitely would not want to return them.

  • @dextermorgan1
    @dextermorgan1 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Can someone tell me why comb filtering wouldn't be a problem with two mid drivers? Am I missing something?

    • @chrishernandez2490
      @chrishernandez2490 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Comb filtering is not as big of an issue when your drivers are stacked vertically. It becomes more of a problem when drivers are aligned horizontally, like a center channel.

    • @dextermorgan1
      @dextermorgan1 Před 3 měsíci

      @@chrishernandez2490 Got it. Thank you.

    • @MyFatherLoves
      @MyFatherLoves Před 3 měsíci +1

      They are mounted close and only allowed to play in a certain band of frequencies so that they're combined output is summed. There is no comb filtering.

    • @davidcross890
      @davidcross890 Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah sure???! Make believe a synthetic reality???​@@MyFatherLoves

  • @madcrabber1113
    @madcrabber1113 Před 3 měsíci

    Wonder what crossover guy will say?

  • @eyefly001
    @eyefly001 Před 2 měsíci

    I really like SVS. I don't think their subs are a great deal anymore, but I have a pair of pinnacles and they are fantastic. I do think this new naming convention is silly.

  • @danaustin5869
    @danaustin5869 Před 3 měsíci

    The addition of the output of all the drivers works great if your ears are opposite the tweeters. If your ears are higher or lower than the tweeters, there will be more peaks and dips in the response because of the multiple drivers.
    Passive crossovers create inherent phase shift. While the drivers can be in phase with each other at the crossover frequencies, there is nevertheless a lack of timing coherency across the audio spectrum. It is simple physics and math. Only DSP FIR type crossover filters can fix or prevent that.
    Other than those issues, these might be quite good speakers

  • @AsadKhan-gc6ny
    @AsadKhan-gc6ny Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks Canelo for updating us. By the way when did Canelo become a speaker salesman

  • @scottwolf8633
    @scottwolf8633 Před 3 měsíci

    Listened to the Duntech Crown Princess loudspeakers at the Winter CES of '87. Similar meme employing the Dynaudio line of transducers, when they'd sell their drivers to individuals. Maybe best sound of the Show, although the Lazarus Tube electronics driving the Apogee Planars were also very good. Nothing new under the sun.

  • @kenr4540
    @kenr4540 Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome Video!
    1. Do you think that the SVS Ultra Evolution Pinnacle Speakers sounds better than some of the open baffle speaker you have heard?
    2. What is the most expensive box speakers can the SVS Ultra Evolution Pinnacle Speakers can equal or beat in sound?

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      Those are good questions that I honestly can’t answer at this time. I would want to hear those in my environment that I’ve heard other speakers. Listening to them in the environment that they were in is very hard to judge critically.

  • @Stan_the_Belgian
    @Stan_the_Belgian Před 3 měsíci +15

    I understand it's clickbait and I like cheaper speakers who look cool but this is not groundbreaking...

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      I’m not sure of any other speakers that push the innovation in this price range. But I definitely don’t know every speaker. If you know of any, let me know because I’m very interested.

    • @AT-wl9yq
      @AT-wl9yq Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@ToidVandersteen Model 2. Its more advanced that the SVS. Not only are the drivers time aligned, the speaker is phase correct, as well. The drivers on the SVS don't all move the same way, at the same time. One driver may move out while a different driver may move in the opposite direction. On a phase correct speaker, all of the drivers move in and out at the same time. The cabinets are more advanced as well. The mid and high frequency drivers each get their own enclosure, and are not part of a bigger cabinet. Doing it this way all but eliminates box colorations. Setup and positioning is also way more advanced. You can dial the speaker in to your exact listening position. They give you a formula where you input certain distance measurements and adjust the back tilt of the speaker. The back tilt adjustment allows you to keep the signal time and phase correct at your listening position. The SVS can't do that. You get one optimal distance, You can't fully compensate when you move your listening chair to a different position.
      I'm kind of surprised you haven't heard of these speakers before. The Model 2's are the biggest selling high end speakers ever made. They've been in production since 1977.

  • @TheGreatTomDix
    @TheGreatTomDix Před 3 měsíci +1

    I agree these will change the industry! They took advantage with the finish and general design to get something that doesn't give you audiophile bull shit, but would in fact be hard to achieve in the look if you were building DIY speakers!

  • @joppepeelen
    @joppepeelen Před 3 měsíci

    what is the revolution?

  • @chriswelljack4910
    @chriswelljack4910 Před 3 měsíci

    Please tell me they are gonna have outrigger feet

  • @MartinHAndersen
    @MartinHAndersen Před 3 měsíci +2

    the tweeter is located very low

    • @oliivioljy9700
      @oliivioljy9700 Před 3 měsíci +1

      They didn't say directly that the speakers are indeed made for dwarf men and women.

    • @MartinHAndersen
      @MartinHAndersen Před 3 měsíci

      @@oliivioljy9700 It's just my experience that tweeters should be in ear height for the best sound stage

  • @kevintan2221
    @kevintan2221 Před 3 měsíci +1

    It looks like a d'Appolito, did you at least offer Joseph a token amount?

  • @Canadian_Eh_I
    @Canadian_Eh_I Před měsícem +1

    Focal has been doing this for 30 years

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před měsícem

      I’m assuming you mean the physical time alignment which, yes there have been. Along with others. What we have not seen is all this technology in one tower at this price point. That’s the difference

  • @C-man553
    @C-man553 Před 3 měsíci

    DIY skeptics, there are no insurmountable problems to reproducing a similar design. DIYERS have been using this configuration since the early Audio Amateur mag days.
    I’m not talking about exact duplication, certainly not voicing either. What’s the problem? Exotic tools, lack of courage?
    It’s an interesting challenge for which SVS has chosen a very appealing scale, as opposed to Focal or Wilson Audio. Fear of producing the proper curvature, take Calculus 1.

  • @modernbassheads5051
    @modernbassheads5051 Před 3 měsíci +4

    The best speakers I’ve ever heard in my life were the danley sound labs synergy horn, all the teeters mids and woofers were horn loaded into one giant horn mouth. Insane sound, they all merged together perfectly

    • @broosky333
      @broosky333 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Danley makes some killer speakers. I heard their “EDM Stack”, which was basically 2 sets of subwoofers with a SH96 on top of each set of subs. Just amazing g

    • @modernbassheads5051
      @modernbassheads5051 Před 3 měsíci

      @@broosky333 yeah I wish I had the skills to design just 2 of those horns for my home theatre L and R. I have an acoustic engineer friend who designed a pair for his vehicle doors and gave me the design for free ( he reverse engineered it) but I don’t have the time patience or woodworking skills to recreate that. Maybe one day

    • @broosky333
      @broosky333 Před 3 měsíci

      @@modernbassheads5051 same here. I have seen some designs people have made online, but I lack the necessary skills to actually build them. I don’t think I could cut a set of 2X4s the same length first try. Lol

    • @modernbassheads5051
      @modernbassheads5051 Před 3 měsíci

      @@broosky333 yeah the angled cuts are not easy

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      That’s awesome

  • @zsoltfarkas9789
    @zsoltfarkas9789 Před 2 měsíci

    I don't want to be a party crusher but Focal has this design fro decades...

  • @squared80
    @squared80 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Doesn't the curvature of the speaker limit the dispersion? I would have to imagine these are targeted towards 1 person 2-channel listening. Also, this kind of setup isn't new, which makes this video seem like an advertisement more than anything else, tbh.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      Physical time alignment, which is the only thing that you’re focusing on, is not new. What is new is the additional physical time alignment plus everything else that they’re doing at this price point. What I am referring to is that typical speakers in this price range have always been built the same way. If someone can be successful with these types of designs at this price range, other manufactures will have to adapt to that. Which should mean better speakers at lower prices. If I had to do it over again, though, I would’ve said, has the potential to change the industry. Which really is what I meant.

  • @patb5266
    @patb5266 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Lol, physical time alignment has been used for decades as has d'Appolito driver arraignment and tweeters that have gone up 30K. Nothing "game changing" here.

  • @scarecrow66ab
    @scarecrow66ab Před 3 měsíci +1

    They look like the Focal Kanta speakers

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      At a much more affordable price.

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 Před 3 měsíci

    Cool

  • @anthonymartino9917
    @anthonymartino9917 Před 2 měsíci

    Keep my Legacy Focus SE

  • @paulhester8086
    @paulhester8086 Před měsícem

    Are you working for SVS now? Serious question. Seems like it here. I'm a new subber but have watched you for a while off and on. Maybe sponsored by SVS?

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před měsícem

      Nope. This was just at CES and I wanted people to see the new technology coming out. These do have me very intrigued at their price point. They have put a lot of time, effort and research in making the speaker different/better? than what you’d normally expect or get in this price range. It’s exciting….if it ends up being as good as it is on paper. Luckily we should find that out soon enough. Coming from a DIY background you just see so many companies making so many compromises that affect the overall sound quality. It’s refreshing to see a company that appears to be doing it the right way.

  • @ms19631964
    @ms19631964 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Arendal 1723 is hard to beat.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Absolutely great speakers.

  • @C-man553
    @C-man553 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Got your back Toids. Time for a clone, non-profit for the MASSIVE DIY population.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      I’ll be honest, I think it would be very hard to duplicate something like this in the price range that they’re doing it. But it really would be awesome.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      @@millenniumrun9995 haha! There’s a speaker for everyone. And not everyone wants to DIY. But it is nice to be able to look at it from the perspective of someone who does design speakers. I do appreciate that SVS is bringing a lot of the things that we DIYers already know makes things sound good. Good bracing, reducing cabinet resonance, paying attention to materials they use, and how that affects the overall performance of the. I find it refreshing manufactures are doing the things that we know are important. Let’s be honest, many manufacturers do not do this.

    • @C-man553
      @C-man553 Před 3 měsíci

      @@millenniumrun9995 Point?

    • @TheTrueVoiceOfReason
      @TheTrueVoiceOfReason Před 3 měsíci +1

      Amazing to have that attitude on a video filmed at a trade show, the Consumer Electronics Show, THE premier trade show of the year. My guess is you really don't follow Nick. Otherwise, you'd have known that a number of videos coming up were/are based on the event. Just grab a drink and chill for a few until the normal programming resumes.

    • @rushgush
      @rushgush Před 3 měsíci

      diy, yeah sure. that’s like saying. oh i can just build my own better ferrari than buying one. umm no, u can’t.

  • @StoicViper82
    @StoicViper82 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I came to watch and like. So. 👍

  • @larrylegs6012
    @larrylegs6012 Před 3 měsíci

    manners ! 6.37

  • @ferdinandbardamu3945
    @ferdinandbardamu3945 Před měsícem

    That’s a lot of words and not a lot of data. Show us the crossovers to see the parts qualty and provide official measurements.

  • @mdavisyates
    @mdavisyates Před 3 měsíci +1

    AH finally the poor man's WAAM Chronosonic...

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +3

      Compared to the WAAM, very poor man 😂🤣😂.

  • @jollyroger3778
    @jollyroger3778 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great interview and showcase of a SVS new product line up the best review of this product on CZcams so far, keep up the good work.

    • @oliivioljy9700
      @oliivioljy9700 Před 3 měsíci

      Americans often lie on CZcams. Even now, they did this very brazenly.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      Thank you! I appreciate it!

  • @arckanum332
    @arckanum332 Před 3 měsíci

    The speakers are nice and all but I'm not impressed till I see the crossover design.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Absolutely we need to see measurements before we can make any final judgments on any speaker. I’m just happy to see that a mainstream companies starting to really think about these things. Most of the time these are relegated to much more expensive speakers.

  • @Rick-kq2vg
    @Rick-kq2vg Před 3 měsíci

    Price$$$$$

  • @user-vj1su8ci2p
    @user-vj1su8ci2p Před 3 měsíci +2

    The all new World's first GRANITE Open Baffle Speakers from MACO Acoustic are REVELATORY ! Wait until you hear these speakers....40% off right now $8K a pair

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci

      That sounds pretty awesome! I would definitely be interested in that

  • @brooklynknightss
    @brooklynknightss Před 3 měsíci +1

    How could you say change the industry when we dont even get to hear them?????

    • @oliivioljy9700
      @oliivioljy9700 Před 3 měsíci

      Typical American liars. There are plenty of these people on various CZcams channels in America these days. They don't even want to notice poisoning people in themselves.

  • @matsnaslund5762
    @matsnaslund5762 Před měsícem

    Nothing new, lots of speakers with aligned drivers, a good messurement is that the voice coil of all drivers are aligned.

  • @nickparkin8527
    @nickparkin8527 Před 3 měsíci

    Go listen to a multi entry horn and tell me about “changing the industry”

    • @oliivioljy9700
      @oliivioljy9700 Před 3 měsíci

      Only intended for music in a very, very narrow field.

  • @edouble0325
    @edouble0325 Před 3 měsíci

    I wonder how efficient they are

  • @rohannarangoda1305
    @rohannarangoda1305 Před měsícem

    Motor structure is more important than cone material.
    We need to see harmonic distortion charts.
    This channel now is now nothing more than paid advertising flat-form.

  • @TexasCorgiGun
    @TexasCorgiGun Před 3 měsíci +3

    First 😂

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Dang you were fast!

  • @AT-wl9yq
    @AT-wl9yq Před 3 měsíci +2

    How are these speakers going to change the industry? They made half of a time and phase correct speaker. They time aligned the drivers but didn't use first order xovers. Time aligning the drivers is a good idea, but if you don't use a first order xover, the drivers don't start and stop at the same time. One driver move in and the other moves out. They should have finished the job.

    • @MyFatherLoves
      @MyFatherLoves Před 3 měsíci

      This is also false. We actually have no idea what order of crossover they're using. You're most likely correct that they are not first order but you are very wrong in the sense that if they are anything other than 1st order crossovers that somehow the voltage from an amplifier reaches each driver at different times. "one driver moves in and the other moves out" this can be corrected with a simple reversal on polarity of how a driver is wired from the crossover. The baffle being curved lines up the woofers in the same vertical plane. This time aligns them acoustically.

  • @brooklynknightss
    @brooklynknightss Před 3 měsíci +3

    UNFORTUNATELY SVS DOES NOT GIVE THEIR SPRAKERS TO REVIEWERS THAT DONT GIVE POSITIVE REVIEWS!!!!!!

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +2

      Never heard that before. This is my first interaction with them, as I literally just met them the day before the interview. They were very nice and knowledgeable. I really enjoyed my time with them. And I appreciated their passion for audio. I know they did send Erin’s Audio Corner some speakers, which he took klippel measurements and did an in-depth review of them.

    • @brooklynknightss
      @brooklynknightss Před 3 měsíci

      ​@Toid thats why Andrew wont ever review SVS speakers!!!!!

    • @rushgush
      @rushgush Před 3 měsíci

      audioholics already reviewed their speakers. so yeah

    • @brooklynknightss
      @brooklynknightss Před 3 měsíci

      ​@rushgush so what does that say???

    • @brooklynknightss
      @brooklynknightss Před 3 měsíci

      ​ @rushgush unless they bought out right.

  • @raoulselten9480
    @raoulselten9480 Před 3 měsíci +44

    i'm so done with the big bloated american marketing schemes on this channel. i liked the DIY videos from before. this channel has grown a very different direction from what i look for in youtube videos. unsubbed though i hope you are well, and i hope the channel is providing some nice income for you 😊

    • @gufiaito69able
      @gufiaito69able Před 3 měsíci +13

      Bye Karen! 😘

    • @frostman9661
      @frostman9661 Před 3 měsíci +5

      Chill out dude... I'm a DIYer and all I'm getting is inspiration for my next build. Keep in mind, many just want to buy as well.

    • @raoulselten9480
      @raoulselten9480 Před 3 měsíci +6

      well happy to hear you get inspiration of course, that said loudspeakers have been solved many decades ago. no new tech partaining to dynamic loudspeakers will change the game, and the features of this new product will not translate to your future design. it is hype-branded with 'advancements in science' even though it's a regurgitation of tech from the 70s and 80s. nothing in this video (except for the motivation to start DIYing, of course) will improve your DIYing skills or your DIY builds, but it will distract you from finding out what it is that will help to improve. that said if you can hear past the inflated marketing jabber, and you want to buy, sure thing, and if you feel inspired from watching this video then fair enough as well. but apart from that videos like these offer nothing more than a '100k rolex watch show-and-tell' video

    • @frostman9661
      @frostman9661 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@raoulselten9480 sure you may be right that it's technically nothing "new" except marketing jargin, but what is new is the accessibility of high end design like time alignment etc in lower and mid range speakers. I would also argue some technology is new and better, such as DSP, increased voicoil size and small boxes subs etc. The majority of consumer grade speakers from decades ago were extremely basic and weren't great.
      As for inspiration, there is just so much to know about acoustics and design and preference that I like to take notes from major manufacturers like SVS and see what they do and see if I can implement some of their design in mine. They are currently way more expert than I am.

    • @scottcooksey5284
      @scottcooksey5284 Před 3 měsíci

      Not might be ,,, he is right. Do you need a short list of engineers that were doing this in the 70's,80's and 90's. Research it yourself so you can make the discovery.​@@frostman9661

  • @fritzair
    @fritzair Před 3 měsíci +3

    One very long commercial. 😩

  • @iwanoutmans3537
    @iwanoutmans3537 Před 3 měsíci +4

    I really appreciate your journalistic objective approach. NOT
    Come on, you can do way better!
    The bit about the bass drivers on the back is clear commercial BS. If it’s the way ‘they’ tell us, it would load the room beyond being listenable.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Force cancellation is nothing new and not marketing bs. it’s something that DIY have been doing for years, especially with subwoofers to kill cabinet resonances. That does work. However, I will be the first to admit that anytime you put a driver on the back, it can introduce other issues. So measuring them will be important. As with anything, we’ll have to see exactly how they measure, but everything that they put into it in the price range is pretty amazing. Hopefully this pushes more manufacturer to start incorporating some of this in lower priced speakers

    • @iwanoutmans3537
      @iwanoutmans3537 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Toid Could it be that he was 180 degrees out of fase?😉

    • @iwanoutmans3537
      @iwanoutmans3537 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Toid At the moment I’m doing a lot of research on ‘open baffles’. One of the big advantages is that the front and back waves cancel each other out at 90 degrees from the baffle. That makes the bass more or less directive. That cancels out a lot of room interference. The way it was explained was the opposite: you would get a doubling af the output at 90 degrees. That doesn’t seem logical to me.

    • @MyFatherLoves
      @MyFatherLoves Před 3 měsíci

      Something that you're missing the explanation is that the "force cancelling" woofers both have power going to them. The woofer on the back is not a passive woofer. So, yes, in the super lows FQ band that's being fed to these woofers, there is a summation of signal.@@iwanoutmans3537

  • @TheLevitatingChin
    @TheLevitatingChin Před 3 měsíci +1

    Nothing interesting here at all. Just an ad.

  • @denisdube8893
    @denisdube8893 Před 2 dny

    This snake oil …

  • @ronkramer5459
    @ronkramer5459 Před 3 měsíci +6

    There is absolutely nothing new about this line of speakers. How much were you paid to post these lies.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Nothing new? In this price range? I wasn’t paid. I’m genuinely excited. Of course it’s pretty easy to know someone’s paid. CZcams will Inform you with a big paid promotion banner that goes across the screen. I’m sorry you didn’t find what SVS is doing is exciting as I do.

    • @paulgood2218
      @paulgood2218 Před 3 měsíci +1

      He saying new to this segment of the market. This price range.

    • @Toid
      @Toid  Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@paulgood2218 thank you. That’s exactly what I’m saying. Maybe I should’ve been more clear on that.

    • @oliivioljy9700
      @oliivioljy9700 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Typical American liars. There are plenty of these people on various CZcams channels in America these days. They don't even want to notice poisoning people in themselves.

  • @franktdot5932
    @franktdot5932 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Are you guys really trying to say this alignment makes any sort of measurable difference to the human ear?!? lol
    This type of micro measurement in relation to the speed of sound. PLEASE!!!
    Forget the gimmicky sales pitch. In other words lose the BS and give us a quality product for a realistic price.
    Getting tired of these self qualifying nerds talking about all these innovative technologies to over inflate prices.
    True cost to build. Less than $500. Now give us $5000 because we have gloss white! lol

    • @rushgush
      @rushgush Před 3 měsíci +1

      everything is gone up. look at the price of food….. 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @MyFatherLoves
      @MyFatherLoves Před 3 měsíci

      physically aligning the drivers in the baffle actually does time align drivers.... It makes a huge difference as it goes a long way for helping the speaker be completely in-phase. This is objectively measurable and subjectively provides a far cleaner and clearer presentation of audio.
      Your capitol words, excessive punctuation, and nonsensical attitude just make you sound like a fool.

    • @franktdot5932
      @franktdot5932 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@MyFatherLoves Let’s see who the fool really is, shall we. “These speakers are gonna change the industry!”
      The opening remarks from this video. Lmao
      Only a fool such as yourself would believe this and actually respond in kind. Take your curved hockey stick speaker and measurable, physically aligned drivers and stick it where the sun don’t shine, Chump!
      The only thing in presenting a cleaner and clearer audio as you put it lol is a well engineered crossover and high grade drivers.
      SVS is gonna change the industry? Maybe for you!

  • @SagorHossain-eu3uw
    @SagorHossain-eu3uw Před 3 měsíci

    Lul😂 industry? There nothing man . Not even proper midfi. Borresen x3 is the new midfi standard.

  • @tuemose22
    @tuemose22 Před 27 dny

    on atmos speakers and wall/sealing speakers! i dont get why, they dont make proper brackets!! its not that hard for them, to sell a bracket with ez mount. so you click/screw it on the speaker, and then you can mount it. to an arm to screw to the wall, and on that arm. you can angle, the speakers ez. so the arm can be ez adjusted, to point it where it needs to play sound at! why has nobody made such mounts

  • @frankcollins4743
    @frankcollins4743 Před 3 měsíci +1

    More hype than reality. Time alignment is changed by turning your head slightly.
    Verdict: bullshit.