Japan's Signature Stamps are Actually POINTLESS
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Japan's true past time isn't anime, or baseball or even martial arts, it's beaurcracy
I now imagine a office guy going Gilgamesh with stamps
While another has a fucking fax
Man that is the history of all of Asia, maybe the Chinese are worse.
@@magnagazoo4863 we all know Japan tops this sht. China is probably a far third or a second, followed up by Korea or something
@@fwuuton In terms of longevity, Korea's by far the top out of all. They've had a way longer period of being under a unified polity with a sophisticated bureaucracy than any other east asian country.
At least it works... Argentina has a lot of beaurcracy and it still manages to work like shit
Japan: everyone can copy a signature
also Japan: No this signature is not EXACTLY the same as the one we have in our records.
rejected, fill the complete form again
Bruh
Lmao fuck that, i bet all of my signatures are different from one another.
They'll gonna see how long one part of your signature, how curved, how much degree it's tilted and which way, which part do you start making the signature, and how thick each line is
lmao literally me at Shinsei bank (one of the few banks thats foreign-friendly and allow signatures over hanko). I literally struggled for 30 min trying to figure out how I wrote my signature when I signed up hahah... 😭
Which is ironic because one of the was a signature is more secure than a hanko is because it is slightly different every time. Unfortunatly that does make it so that you need quite a lot of training to actualy be able to verify signatures. One of the downsides is that untrained people often think a signature being different is a sign that it's false when actually a signature being too similar is a sign of forgery since a natural one won't be the exact same.
bro, the burocracy is insane. i had to do customs papers for my cats to fly back to the states and we needed a clean bill of health. we got it but it was missing the vets signature stamp. so i went and bought one from daiso that matched his name.
Does it count as forgery if the signature is pre-copied?
@@zigzaghyena Not unless they know.
amazing 😆
@@zigzaghyena Yes, but it's borderline impossible for them to know who actually signed/stamped.
With the advent of the internet and endless information at everyone’s fingertips, how do people still misspell words?
That comment about the Japanese working the longest hours and having the lowest productivity is so spot on. While I interned at a Japanese company, I witnessed them spend hours moving a bunch of crates from one side of the warehouse to the other, for no reason other than so they'd have something to do. And guess what they did the next day? They moved them back. I am not making this up.
Also one time I explained to my Japanese friend that in my country we get 25 vacation days per year, and typically we use all of them, unless we want to save a few for the next year. She looked at me incredulously and asked "But who does your job while you're on vacation?"
There's also the language being a major bottleneck in commercial settings. Japanese isn't particularly compatible with latin keyboards, but that's what everyone is supplied with. Tbh, it would be better to simply develop a touchscreen plugin that uses the 10kana keypad on mobile phones.
If you want to see why office work has always been slow in Japan, just look up videos of Japanese typewriters. It'll really put it into perspective how, despite all of the stupidity in english, it's a reallt efficient language in a business application.
and they wonder why the youngsters won't making new lives while they can't even live their own :(
@@valkyr7791 As someone who types in Japanese almost every day on an American keyboard I don't think this is true at all. There's more of a learning curve than typing in English because it really helps if you can predict what the computer is going to auto-insert kanji for the kana you type so that you can manipulate it to get what you want faster and easier, but for an experienced typist it's not all that different in terms of efficiency. An annoying pain in the ass sometimes, yes, but not particularly inefficient. The days of keyboards with hundreds of keys or the dreaded Windows 95 IME are long over.
25 vacation days? In the US I've typically gotten a maximum of 18 vacation days with rollover. The standard is 15 days over here. I personally have only used a fraction of my vacation days and most of my coworkers have similar practices. You lucky dog.
@@wakannnai1 Damn really? That's pretty rough, in the UK you're legally entitled to 28 days holiday per year, I get 30 and can roll over 5 days
Forget trying to reduce it 4 days; Japan’s trying to figure out how to make 8-day work weeks
Oh, dear, Jack Ma's fancy 9-9-6 is no contest then
They probably already manage it, hours wise at least.
Japan is actually one of the countries considering a 4 day work week.
Easy! Already solved ages ago in feudal Europe! You define work not in just hours or days, but man-hours or man-days i.e. if you have 8 man-days of work, then you work 7 days and your spouse or child one day, total of 8 man-days. 😉
@@KristoffDoe as I remeber record in Poland was 14 days of servitude(work for nobleman for free) a week from every house. Working in sunday is banned, so tgey did need to send 3 people for 2 days and 2 people for rest 4 days.
Connor is totally right about the 4-day work week. They're not productive in Japan because they work too many hours and not being compensated equally. I mean it'd *almost* be fine if you worked more and had more vacation, better salary etc. Heck even taking vacation in Japan is badly seen. No wonders people just go to work and fake working just to fill the hours. This is depressing af. In Europe and even some parts of Canada they noticed giving more vacation and better benefits (even reducing work hours) end up with more productivity. That's the bad part of Japan (and most asian countries) they don't want you to talk about. The awful work culture. Death by overwork is literally a word in Japan lmao
Vacation and hobbies also drive the economy further because people will spend their time and money on purchasing goods and services. Skiing, mountain biking, surfing, camping, boating are some of the industries that can grow when the population have extra money and time to spend. This is why society should encourage more outdoor activities instead of banning people from exploring public lands.
capitalists ironically hate efficiency, you cant just sit there and do nothing for 2 hours it looks like your lazy, but if i told you i just did my work in 30 minutes and have nothing to do for the next 3 hours im getting castrated for that, so i have to pretend, or worse, drag those 30 minutes work into 3 hours of pure inefficiency
but hey atleast im working amirite
@@yoruichixx6951 To be honest, nobody is a true capitalist, capitalism has the same problem as communism as in that it expects all persons in a society to be perfect actors, which it is simply not true. It just so happens that capitalism fails at its job more gracefully than communism but to this day there has not been true capitalism nor true communism.
For they expect from people something people are not.
That is the reason you find that "capitalists" hate efficiency, actual capitalists should not, but nobody is that.
I dont think a Japanese worker who is doing 11 hours is as productive as a well rested 8 hour worker. Basically wasting their own time and the companies time.
May be because they have too many population people in the past?
Now their productive population is very low they will eventually realize efficiency in working is importance, not just working for the sake of filling thier hours quota ?
No wonder all those isekai anime exist
Yeah they prefer to die in different world instead living in real life.
Forging signatures at least require a bit of skills. Forging a hanko is just choosing the size, the font, and type the person's name on one of the 200 manufacturers' website.
If you willing to do it you would be able to whichever.
But forging hanko at least require some effort.
But hand signature bassically pen and skill.
@@meferswift lol what?
Not really. Forging signature is much simpler as they are always different. Good hanko has imperfections that can not be replicated. It's just not same image, but also the tiny imperfections in it that truly matter. Validating signatures is scam, but with stamps it is possible.
@@_Ekaros Unless there are true problems, a signature issue (and hanko) sums up as follow : do you recognize this signature (or hanko) ? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, will hire a true signature expert or hanko expert for settling these things down (especially japanese poeple, they don't want to go to court). Most things you will sign or stamp will not even go through a signature checkout.
And what about you changed your hanko last year and you end up with old paper work that you don't remember signing for ? Does your actual hnko serves as proof ? Are the other hanko a sufficient proof or are they suspicious too ? What about bad hanko ?
Even if there is a problem and someone made a perfect carbon copy of a very well made hanko. Nothing stops you from telling officials that it was not you and an investigation usually follows.
Hanko is a very poor identification check compared to signature.
Documents ought to be signed with a drop of blood
Everytime they talk about all the pointless beaurocracy, I remember that part of aggretsuko where they talk about how it's just a way to give everyone a job. It's just a more wasteful version of universal basic income.
Honestly at least UBI gives you your time. Bureaucracy takes the productivity and time that you could have spent doing something else
i guess no one taught the japanese time > money
wow, never thought of it this way
It’s the same in Italy.
Like the old companies that keep way too many old employees around with very little to do because they have seniority. Japanese business culture refused to get rid of useless positions and its terrible.
It's the same in germany. There is a common joke here that we germans manage us to death. It's a misconception a lot of us believe that the problem is somehow solved if we just list everything on a paper.
laughs in Dutch.
*Lacht in deutsch *
Well, at least we have normal signatures.
I doubt its as stressful and complicated as it is in japan lol. Theres a lot of paper work and beaurcracy here too, yes, but mostly because of contracts. which is a good thing imo 👀
I'm not German myself, but I've heard about a famous case where a set of staircases was barred from public use because they no longer fit safety regulations. However, they could also not be modified to fit those regulations because they were preserved in state by a completely different law. This meant that a major, well-used staircase could no longer be used and could not be modified either... leaving it just standing there... empty.
I just remember that Shin Godzilla was really a commentary about Japanese bureaucracy rather than nuclear power.
The show Bayside Shakedown and several other cop dramas are low-key commentary on how stupidly rigid the Police Apparatus in Japan is.
There should be a Grant Battle Royale, Grant would totally win that.
Grant haha
GRANT! Lol
Of course our Grant would win that, he is a Grant Master after all.
Who's Grant?
@@TinyLordCthulhu Grant is just what everyone has been calling Garnt recently as a joke because devices would often autocorrect it to be Grant because of how similarly they're spelled.
Making the system so complicated with all the form filling for everything is a clever way to keep more people staying in one place, in one position... the idea is probably making things run smoothly... when it runs so smoothly it helps with the stress of the fore mentioned... it's a bit like: eating too much food means you need less food later... but it actually doesn't work like that
Yea this... The nail that sticks up must be hammered down.......
@@magnagazoo4863 Japan has the highest mental health issues regarding this system than any other by quite a lot...
It would take Japan taking mental health seriously.
The advice of “be more happy” is a gaslighting to keep things working this way.
It would take mental health to be taken seriously which would actually take a lot more than the more push as it’s integrated in the economics.
if you're a foreigner in another country, you don't have the fucking right to complain about their system, gtfo.
@@julz19 ... this is something wrong with a controlling system... this would be applied anywhere in the world... I wasn't in nazi Germany at the time of Hitler but I can have empathy for the people in that country affected by that order... I'm not in the government but I can complain about something that has made things worst for others... so what you are saying because I'm not in a country affected by war I can't complain about a war happing in another country that is hurting its people? the system clearly is hurting its people... there's a lot of parts that helps also... the helpfully things weren't just there, people decided the latter wasn't good and fort to make a change for the wellbeing of others... Are you a mindless fool or just an arrogant xenophobe? As I would NOT be complaining about a country, I would be complaining about something that hurts the people of that country by their government... there is a reason people run for election, often to change things for the better... or do you completely miss understand what was being said here?
@@julz19 ... this is something wrong with a controlling system... this would be applied anywhere in the world... I wasn't in nazi Germany at the time of Hitler but I can have empathy for the people in that country affected by that order... I'm not in the government but I can complain about something that has made things worst for others... so what you are saying because I'm not in a country affected by war I can't complain about a war happing in another country that is hurting its people? the system clearly is hurting its people... there's a lot of parts that helps also... the helpfully things weren't just there, people decided the latter wasn't good and fort to make a change for the wellbeing of others... Are you a mindless or just an arrogant xenophobe? As I would NOT be complaining about a country, I would be complaining about something that hurts the people of that country by their government... there is a reason people run for election, often to change things for the better... or do you completely miss understand what was being said here?
Deforestation sounds like an average day in Japan
Japan is actually one of the most forested country in proportion to the size of their land
@@JustAnNPC69 Because they get all the wood and paper from other countries.
@@JustAnNPC69 artificially created forestry plantations though
@@zeiitgeist which built all the temples and mangas u weebs are all about.
@@zeiitgeist yeah, that's awesome, while other countries continue to do nothing about they're own shitty situation, let's criticize someone whos doing something about it.
I actually know a Josh that went to the Josh battle.
Cool!!!
did they wear a mask there?
@@awesomestuff9715 I don’t know. Didn’t really get any details about it except that it was fun. He did meet little Josh who won the battle.
@@thesilverwolfpup that's pretty epic
I don't think I could live in Japan. I was baffled when my friend's boyfriend said he has to fly from Estonia to The Netherlands just to sign a contract, like... it's the 21st century, who signs a contract with an actual pen anymore? Turns out everyone does and it's Estonians who are weird for signing everything digitally. I wouldn't survive in Japan for more than a month
Sorry, couldn't hear you, you're gonna need to fax me that. - Japanese Bureaucrat
America has been using digital contracts basically since they existed.
You’ll either get a PDF in an email, print it out, sign it, scan it, send it back or
Get a document in an app that you can sign digitally from your phone, iPad, or computer. There’s very few companies that don’t use digital contracts and signatures today in America
@@xchemicalXladybugx ah no, we use id card to "sign" things. It doesn't actually slap your sign on a document, it just adds a virtual mark that proves that you legitimately signed it. If you print it out, it doesn't show your signature or anything, you can only see it on computer with a program that can read the "signed" file
...That's like telling me you want me to drive 10 hours to fucking Tennessee so I can put an X on a dotted line.
I get it. But God save East Europe.
Here in Sweden you can sign stuff digitally. You get a 2 factor authenticator for your phone that you've linked to your bank account. You can sign all sort of stuff with it.
I literally pay my taxes in 20 seconds by signing in on the Skatteverket (Swedish IRS) app, scan my fingerprint with the 2 factor authenticator then I'm done.
Japanese economy is held down by its civil services, they need reforms
The Diet can try, but I doubt everyone would give a shit.
But the people who vote the most are the ones who rely on these useless jobs being around.
@@UberOtaku001 True, from what ive heard the youth in Japan hardly vote at all.
@@redswift31 Apparently the youth in Japan just don't give a shit about the politics which... honestly makes me wanna go over to Japan and slap every single Japanese for that because holy shit that's appalling.
Different culture values I guess?
Their economy is actually pretty solid. The growing economy doesnt always mean the country is doing good. Take the US for example, it grew at 2-3 percent before corona but still has a lower median wealth compared to Japan, which has been stagnating for the last 30 years. Besides, the excessive bureaucracy actually reduces unemployment though its inefficient as hell. Who know how many people would be jobless if Japanese civil services were efficient.
EU with GDPR hearing how much Japan asks about personal data: staring menacingly
Yes yes yes
As in japan ask too much data or europe ask too much? No cause in France you get profilled by the governement on your political opinion online
@@maverickwildwolf3871 As in Japan asks too much data I assume, given GDPR stands for General Data Protection Regulation. Pretty sure you get profiled on a hell of a lot more than your poltical opinion in most countries regardless of data protection laws though, be it by the government or by private corporations.
@@bertrandkane9678 yeah, that's basically what I mean. People panicked over the harsh fines for violation so much they started asking to sign the declaration even for the stupidest of things but hearing how it is in Japan it is necessary. Hell, your employer without a good reason can only ask your home address after you get employed in my national law. Also you can ask Google to delete their data about you; of course no one believes they will delete everything but that's something I guess (a right to be forgotten)
GDPR has done so much good. Literally changed things for the better.
I can literally see it glaring at Japan lol
The only thing I like about the signature stamp is when you have to sign a bunch of documents for approval. You just stamp it instead of writing it
Good news for you Joey the Japanese consultant accepts finger print stamps
Other countries: "INSPIRED LAZINESS", work hard now so the future is easier.
Japan: well, I guess it's time to work out population for another 6 day week 16 hours a day just to get some spreadsheets filled out that were automated 15+ years ago elsewhere.
7:15 wiping his mouth in the jacket and smelling, realizing the camera is recording
I love when you see someone just do a normal human thing on camera and then they remember there on camera
I bought a data sim card online. Went to the pick up counter. Even they had everything from name, address AND my money it took me 30min to get it. Next time I just mail it to me. Unbelievable
Mmm not my experience though. I got it quite quickly
Japan by far is the most traditionally East Asian, the "original" China, as in the truest ancient Chinese dynasties cultural inheritor, including all their quirks and complicated bureaucracy, sexism, and casual nepotism. The American occupation forces after World War 2 didn't really touch their government that much beyond re-writing their constitution. Having a "throw away" position "Cyber Security Minister" that doesn't understand USB drive in year 2020 or an ex-PM chairing Olympic organising comittee that casually throw out sexist remarks are just some of its features.
Korea is the most "Americanised" since they were really under total American dependency for quite extended period of time, until they overtook North Korean economy output in the late 1980s.
China is under total cultural "reset" under the communist regime, with all the book burning, intellectual purging that happens from the Great Leap Forward all the way to Cultural Revolution. This greatly reformed their bureaucracy, Confucian sexism, and filial piety, warlordism, family mafia-like structure nonsense. But then again, this is nothing new, the Manchu Qing dynasty totally rewrite their culture from hanfu-wearing society to the qipao-wearing ones.
So in terms of bureaucracy efficiency, China and Korea is far better than Japan. Mobile payment, mobile civil registration, and online market place flourished at greater degree in China, while Korea gladly embraced global giant techs like Google or Microsoft's platform and become a major player there.
Japan is stuck with their dreamy glorious 1970-1980s and couldn't innovate further nor adapt to the world. This phenomenon is called "Galapagos syndrome". Unlike Korea and China, they were never really a historical invasion target besides Mongols' only attempt.
They hardly ever took outside influence that much until later centuries, when they really become European under Meiji reform era. Meanwhile, in the main continent, the Tibetans & Mongols brought Buddhism to China, the Turks introduced them to horses, while Japan is free to selectively import things that they want.
Most people simply miscredited Japan's friendliness and attractiveness for tourists, thinking that they must be advanced in all aspects. A lot of great things about Japan is indeed very unique to Japan's situation, like their convenience store model, their weird car dealership distribution structure, and moving company services will not be working elsewhere outside Japan.
For the most part I agreed with you, but there is another take. The infrastructure Japan inherited from WW2 prepared them better than other East Asian nations for the future. Korea and China had generations of state corruptions and military dictatorships, which still impacted the mindsets of the populace in moving forward. Japan traditional cultures derived heavily from China, but its status as a first world nation came from its ability to absorb and adapt Western social sciences. With its status as an american naval base, its foreign policies are clear. Since it had a more accountable government, its handling of problems are more responsive. Its media are freer, so while the problems do not get fixed, it was known. The problems of any Confucian-run bureaucracy is that it can resulted in extremely successful habits, and changing habits are hard.
@randomguy8196 We're talking about bureaucracy though. Ever deal with SK Chaebols? Fuck'n painless for the most part.
I cancelled my internet 3 days before I'm getting on a plane to Japan. Called Samsung, apologized for not notifying them in a timely manner, and told them to penalize me pursuant to our contract, and they're like.. "nah, you've been a good customer, so we'll waive the penalty, and our technician should be there in 30 minutes or so to pick up the router." 30 minutes later, I hear a ring, and the tech just talked about the LA Dodgers for 5-10 minutes when he found out I came from LA, and that was it. I'm not saying it's all like this, but Korea seems to be the most "comfortable" living situation for most people. I recall a "foreigner" friend saying, "shit just works here."
Then I stay in Japan for 4 months, and jesus, the unnecessary bureaucracy even for a visitor's just obscene. Like... the country and people are great, but so many bizarre situations. Like going to a restaurant, and just trying to get a few seats at the bar but it was reserved. Fair enough, but it was empty for hours. 1 hour passed by so I asked the waiter if we could sit there now, I mean... the people who reserved it clearly aren't coming. Nope.... they just left it reserved for like 3 hours. Pragmatism isn't really a thing there.
What's most crushing is the general air of apathy with the Japanese people. Seriously, they're absolutely lovely, but it's almost like they're so damn nice, they just accept the bullshit, and not too many people seem to try and actually change things for the better. It's not "yeah, we can do better," it's always, "yeah, but it's not too bad... yeah, but it's tolerable."
"しょうがないね" is like the national catchphrase.
It's a bit of an exaggeration but I thought some parts of Japanese society and bureaucracy were downright Kafkaesque.
that is a very interesting take on the inefficiency of some bureaucracies. that is all
China is still super sexist though. Nothing changes under the CCP besides CCP destroying the cultural heritage of ancient China. I still prefer Japan tbh. Korea not bad too.
In the US, Radio Shack was notorious for asking for your phone number every time you bought something, even if it was just batteries. but now every grocery store does that if you don't have a loyalty card.
That's because your phone number is linked to the loyalty card account. If you don't have the physical card, they can put the number in and look up your account, to give you the discounts/etc. If you're not okay with sharing that info, just leave that section blank when you're signing up for the card, though you will then always need to have the card on you when you buy groceries. If you just tell them "no, I don't have a card here" they won't ask for your number, because it wouldn't do anything. They will instead just ask if you'd like to sign up for a card, to which you can either say yes and get the benefit right away, or say no and then you just don't get those benefits.
Here it's usually quite easy to move. You tell the post office you moved and then you put a note so all mail that is still adressed to your former residence will be forwarded to your new adress.
I guess in some other countries it might seem intrusive, but it is so convenient to just have informations centrally kept, Sweden loves it's buerocracy but it wants professionals to handle it not amateurs. Hence why our version of the IRS actually does our taxes for us, we just check their work and point out if they missed some deductions and stuff.
-Swedish professional buerocrat.
yeah, I'm by no means a "hur hur late stage capitalism" dumbass, but flat out the only reason places don't have taxes like that is because no-goverments really get held to account and shit tons of lobbying from tax companies. I mean, turbotax literally does not have a business model, unless you would otherwise struggle to pay your taxes. Ironically though, I think I'd probably blame governmental structure for that more than the companies themselves. You blame the game not the player, the government should not be setup with such blurred boundaries that that sort of bribing is even possible yet in most places that I've heard of it is. (granted there is probably some selection bias there since, well, no-one would talk about the taxes in places where taxes AREN'T an issue)
But if we had the IRS do our taxes then what about all the tax filing companies?
It used to work like that here in NL. But then the postal services were privatised. So if you use the PostNL moving service, that would do nothing for the post delivered by other postal services, which do not offer that kind of service.
Though the IRS here is the same as in Sweden. We get our tax forms already filled out and generally speaking it doesn't really need to be adjusted. Like my girlfriend hasn't filed her taxes herself in over a decade, because her income and expenditures are that stable and reliable.
For me it's different because I rent out rooms, own houses and all that jazz and the taxman can't know in advance exactly how much money I make and how much of it needs to be taxed. So I still hire a tax consultant to do it for me.
Man glad i’ve stopped planning on going now thanks for the videos guys it woke me up and yeah not going there period.
I was told 2 things about the Hanko. 1st: Dollar Store Hanko are only used for unimportant stuff, like signing for a package. For more important stuff like banks people usually have a custom made hanko which is much more like a signature and unique. 2nd: The idea of the Hanko is mostly for businesses. Instead of having to manage who gets access to the company's bank people can just grab the Company's Hanko when needed which apparently makes things "easier".
Well, the second one is as secure as sharing passwords with other people...
@@macurvello it's like sharing a key since it's a physical objects
A lot of US companies resisted working from home also. My company is going to get a lot of kickback when they try to move people that in no way need to sit in the building. Some few need to be there 8/5 and a few more there once a week. And that's it.
There is also this movie called "The one" ? By Jet Lee.
Where he is being hunted by another version of him from another universe, because you get stronger as other versions of you die in other universes.
That sounds pretty cool. Is it worth a watch?
@@adithyas1091 If you like movies like the matrix, maybe🙂
Bit late but I watched Riaru Onigokko ages back and had no recollection at all of any Satou battle royale so I looked it up and the film Joey was referencing was actually "The Chasing World" (2008). Riaru Onigokko (just called "Tag" in English) is still a damned good film though, if a bit abstract.
I'm actually really interested in watching the movie he described, but couldn't fully understand what he said the title was, so thank you for leaving this comment.
However, upon googling each of those terms separately, the results seem to indicate that they're all the same movie..? Could you maybe clarify, please?
@@darkness988 I'd never actually heard of The Chasing World before this but it seems it's part of a series of films by the same director. That's about the extent of what I know other than saying watching Riaru Onigokko was fine even without knowing any of the others so presumably the same would be true of Chasing World.
Heck it might be an adaptation thing. Either way pretty sure the specific film being referred to was a 2008 release whereas the Riaru Onigokko I watched was a 2015 release.
Lol they gonna sell your information is the only reason I could think that she wanted it just to wrap luggage
They probably just have you fill forms so that at the end of the month they can count them up and write a report about which destination flyers were most likely to wrap thei luggage and what not, so their superior can shelve the report until it catches dust.
They have a dollar store named after Cervantes? Cool.
yeah, except it's called "Don Quijote", not with an "x". sometimes also referred to as "Donki" or "Donkii" for short, I believe.
not just a dollar store, you can get a lot of tax free/duty free items there. just remember to bring your passport (which you have to have on you at all times when in Japan)
@@Anonymous8830 Actually the real name is "Don Quijote" not "Don Quixote", at that time in Spain the Spanish was not very regulated and the "j" sound could be written with "x" as well, but today that is not the case and it was a "j" sound, so it is really "Don Quijote"
I get the idea of a hanko and why it would be convenient especially if you have to write your name a lot but at the same time a signature takes two seconds...
When you move here in sweden, you have to notify the tax agency, and that will deal with most of the "official" stuff and a lot of less official stuff as well. Stuff like your insurance and mail forwarding are directly linked once you're done if they need to be done manually. Takes maybe 30 minutes while doing it + maybe 30 minutes more accumulated with all the random stuff you realize after the fact still needs to be updated since they don't/can't check the tax agency records
On the topic of hanko, my (Japanese) MIL had a very crazy experience when my father in law died. She wanted to close a bank account of his (that also had about 10,000 yen in it) but could not find the exact hanko that had been used decades ago to open the account (they have a small business so they have lots of hankos around the house). So she had to get an extended family register paper from the town office and some other stuff and go to the bank and so on and on. When I suggested to the bank old guy who had come to MIL’s house to see if she could find it, that it would be easier to just drop it since the trouble is not worth it, he got kind of gruffly annoyed at the impertinent foreigner (me), saying that well, it won’t be a minus since there is close to 10,000 yen on the account and that you’re required to close the account anyways. But what about the time MIL had to spend on it and the driving since we love in inaka. All in all, I think the saga took half a year. But it was just one bank, the others did the switch from the dead spouse in a flash.
Maybe that is a culture of asia.(?)
Taiwan also has the same system, so as Korean.
But in Taiwan, signature stamps are to decrease the time of signing.
Especially at the situation which lots of people are waiting.
However, the Japanese still has the most complicated SOP in all asia country.
Its a hold over from our Chinese ancestors, but it totally could be improved, stamps are still used to officiate documents as authentic, and there could be many ways to make unique signatures that is hard to counterfeit and with consistency
id like the stamp idea more is it was actually had useful info on it like just switch over to QRcode stamps you can display a lot of info in a rather small space that is easily scannable and laser engraved stamps are so easy to make that it could easily be turned into an auto stamp making vending machine
QR codes are easier to copy than stamps. The problem with digital signatures is that everything digital is trivially copied, so unless the document exists ONLY on the internet hosted by a trusted 3rd party then anything that can be replicated by a computer in the real world won't work.
The thing with stamps is even though you can buy the exact same stamp at any store, every stamp is slightly different and copying them exactly is impractical.
In the UK, I got my old card closed a replacment bank card in about 60sec on the phone. I didn't even need to give adress or even name I don't think, only post code and any form of account number.
I ALWAYS wondered that! Glad to see it confirmed.
Joey's T-Shirt... nostalgia.
So, that movie Joey is mentioning at the end is basically _Danganronpa_ but Satou version...
The struggle of changing addresses after moving is much not a thing in Germany and it's great.
You go to the post office and fill out a contract with your new and old address and the post office just fixes it. They even send banks, insurance and stuff like that, who have your adress anyways, your new address.
It's so obvious once you think about it. All the post goes through there anyways, so why not have them deal with communicating with the people sending you mail?
I watched that movie on a cd it didn't have subs so me and my family were just dumbfounded and had no idea what was happening
It just sounds like they’re pandering to the older generation and that’s the reason why nothing gets done.
Absolutely the case. There are a lot of really smart young people champing at the bit to bring Japan up to date but nothing is going to happen until the last of the bubble-economy generation have the reins of the country pried out of their cold, dead hands.
on the deffence of the stamps you are supposed to mar them so they are unique like placing a few gouges into the stamp so that it is uniquiley yours
7:17 I hope Grant's jacket doesn't smell to bad after he wiped his mouth on it! 🤣 I had to rewatch the end of the video to focus on what Joey was saying but I was still confused by Grant's action 😅
Hope this problem gets fixed in the near future as younger people take over.
Come on Japan, get your shit together!
I want you to be cool!
Chinese personal seals can have engraved dragons and such on top of them. It's pretty cool.
Thats why have it customised, if you wanna prove of authenticity might be better to have a key store in a db that matches with another key registered into the seal.
To be fair the situation with Home Office is pretty similar in Germany as well. Before the pandemic the employers were like "IMPOSSIBLE" and now in all the Office Jobs "ya, sure we made it happen". There was "Telearbeit" before which only a chosen few in some companys could get. Telearbeit is very conditional you need a special reason and you need a place at home that meets high office standarts. Now with home office its super flexible (atleast where i work) and people are encouraged to work from home if the work can be done from home. Lets hope that those new priviliges will mostly be still there after the pandemic.
My stamp said "kebin"
And i rented a flat with that 🤣🤣
The stamp thing makes me wonder one thing. My name is already so long that it sometimes doesn't fit on official blanks in my own country. How the F would I shove it onto a stamp that generally only supports, like, four kanji?
Yeah same here, in addition to my first name I also have two middle and two last names, five total. How the heck it that gonna fit?
Denmark is bureaucratic, but they’ve made most of it fast and efficient, lol. When we move, we go online and change the address, and all institutions tied to the government or to my personal ID number get updated automatically on the address change. That also includes all banks you have accounts in and the post office.
I'm gonna have to watch that "Real Tag" movie
A country that is so conservative that it retains 4 different systems of writing,... and uses stamps so you don't need use any of them.
The amount of third party companies that could get your information by this is amazing haha
I used to fill out forms like that with joke names and numbers. Ace Ventura was a favourite to do.
4 days on 3 days off. The best schedule I ever had.
Correction the film with Sato is the chasing world and not real tag. Real tag is what they do in the movie, but there is a movie that has this name, but it's about something else. From the story he described, he probably means the chasing world and not real tag, but the movie picture shown was real tag.
Thank you, that's what I was looking for. Found the movie poster they had and was so disappointed there was no Sato involved.
Korea has the same thing. Even the name is the same "in-gam" (印鑑). I once worked at a local government district office as a partimer, and it had records of residents' in-gam.
Do they not have a mail forwarding service in there postal system? You have several months to get everything changed over in the US
Same here in the Philippines. It takes days or weeks to get government documents done.
That's why I dread to get a government ID, because you need to start from the very bottom, Brgy. Clearance, cedula, work or student ID, NBI clearance (which is valid for only 6 months) and then wait for years for your ID to be delivered. I applied for Voting ID 10 years ago and I still don't have it.
Could you make this stamp in a form of a signet ring? You could wear one on your finger like some nobleman. Or - put it on a string or chain and wear it on your neck like Paul Atredis did with his ducal ring in "Dune".
Also, question - how does it work with rare and/or complicated foreign names? They do transliteration to Japanese and then make custom stamp?
For foreign names you can write your name using your native script, or you can do a phonetic translation
The Josh battle now feels like a fever dream that never happened 🤣🤣
A good concept for a company would be; you give them every info they could need, and when you need to change something (e.g. changing address), they do it for you.
Though there is a -few- _ton_ of technicals issues with that, I think it would be doable and people WILL want this.
Just one place, for everything.
hi, it appears to be you first day on the internet and while there is a lot to get through, based on our analysis of what you just said, I think we should start on the wikipedia page for cyber security, or the fact that 1/3 of the entire chinese population just had their data publicly leaked by a dude with an anime profile picture because their police database was unprotected. Centralization of literally all of your personal data, could only be a worse idea, if you invented reanimation, reanimated bad mustache man, gave him unrestricted control to the combined standing militaries of every developed nation on earth, then put him in charge of managing all of that information.
@@robonator2945 you are aware the government literally has all this info already though right? they have your name, address, contact info, tax and social security numbers, medical info, etc. etc. already. its already centralised.
This isn't as nearly as bad, but I feel like this is like when doctor's offices here in the states will often ask for your employment status, and your current employer, if you have one.
Like, uh, I get we don't have public health care here and our health insurance is provided through our employers typically, BUT, you already have to give them our health insurance informmation with your provider and membership number. I don't know the reason behind this. I never understood it personally. 🤔
*Edited to add: For anyone outside the US- This isn't like the doctor asking you if you work in a certain field because of health concerns related toor something. This is specifically on paperwork that you fill out when you first register as a patient, or sometimes make an appointment somewhere. Just came back to clarify. 🐛❤️
Here in Georgia, stamps like those exist but only companies (and gov entities) use them to stamp documents, for purpose of authenticity. Not sure about other countries.
Wait wait wait, it’s been a year, did anything happen with the Josh’s, is there are least a follow-up meme
Moving is the worst when you have also have a business. I would hate to need a stamp and hand-filling forms on top of that. Kevin Wheeler is an oddly common name in my area with guys that aren't actually related, they could have an entire NBA team.
Hanko are amazing if you have one custom made. In that case it actually is much harder to copy than a signature. The problem comes when you lose it, and you have to commission another one for like 5000 yen
You guys put up the wrong poster for the movie, and I just watched one of the strangest fever dreams of a movie I have ever seen! Dimension hopping, murderous wind and a shit ton of random crotch shots… definitely not what you guys were describing 😵💫😂
Amazing how low productivity is in Japan vs the UK
The movie was The chasing world. and not The real tag. though both are called "Riaru Onigokko"
Depending on the signature it is hard to mimic
I've been waiting to move to Japan since April 2020... damn COVID restrictions.
"Papers please."
The movie TAG is free on CZcams
well, when I moved states here in the US I had to have pieces of mail sent to my new address BEFORE I could file for a new drivers license and change my address, becoming a proper citizen of the state. Then I had to present 5 pieces of proof that I am a US citizen. I had to bring my birth certificate, high school diploma, vaccination records, tax records, change of address forms, more pieces of mail(for some reason states really like that mail thing), my social security card, and my driver's record from the previous state. This was to move across the country, within the same country. The USA is totally screwed.
If I get the opportunity to have a hanko, my stamp would have the image of Rias at the bottom.
I can feel the energy from here
I love the concept of having a stamping device for signatures instead of using a pen to write it
You can try how the concept feels in practice by having a designated pen you write your signature with.
I'm glad they are because imagine stamping with something pointy
"anyone can copy a signature" i was once faced with this ridiculous lol, once i had to fill i document but bcs I don't have this stamp i was told to use my signature instead. So i do just that only to be denied, i ask why then they said its not a signature, its a mess of a scribbles, it had to be readable. Only then it sunk to me why they thought "anyone can copy a signature" apparently to them signature are just simply writing your full name in latin fonts lmao.
Signature for Japanese is just writing their name in kanji. The idea being everyone writes the kanji the same perfect way?! No way, even there the handwriting is different.
@@ML-cc7gj yeah, the problem is when it come to foreigner, since foreigner doesn't have kanji in their name they asked for a normal writing in roman alphabet as a "signature" instead, honestly I was full of worry despite being a nobody when I filled those documents lol
@@fachriecaf In all-caps roman alphabet, right?! I know, that's my signature here too for official stuff (since that's how it's written on my residence card), just name in all caps like a kid :D. But for shop point card stuff, etc, then I just write my name in kanji and katakana most of the time, also signing for packages. I always basically ask, which do you need/your system can take - romaji or kanji+katakana.
Let me get this straight… There is a store, in Japan, called “Don Quijote”?!
Yup. Giant dollar store chain. Has a ton of stuff in *way* more niches of life than you'd expect it to.
Lol I work for the Canadian government and we are doing telework :p
We have work laptops and we work from home.
7:05 how do you spell that movie name in english? sounded like a fun movie to watch, but I don't know how to pronounce the title
It's called Tag (2015)
@@Nimsy0001 That's not the one. The poster they put up is not the movie he mentioned. Still waiting as well for someone to write the right name.
found it. It's called The Chasing World 2008
I find it weird that Joey is as fluent in Japanese as in, if not better, than the average Japanese people, BUT he says anime title and movie title funny. He doesn't say it the way he speaks Japanese. It's bizarre
@@ryuuteimaru5858 because he is speaking in English while saying the names. Kinda hard to switch accents in-between
Anime Man @ 7:02
The Chasing World | Riaru Onigokko (2006)
The Chasing World 2 | Riaru Onigokko 2 (2008)
The Chasing World 3 | Riaru Onigokko 3 (2012)
The Chasing World 4 | Riaru Onigokko 4 (2012)
The Chasing World 5 | Riaru Onigokko 5 (2012)
The Chasing World: The Origin | Riaru Onigokko The Origin (TVS-Chiba TV-tvk / 2013)
Tag | Riaru Onigokko (2015)
thankx m8 but the trailer looks really bad.
czcams.com/video/RSmNYUj7oFo/video.html
I’m really hoping someone reads this and has an answer l:
If you’re a foreigner but you have a family signet(or decide to make a new one for your family), think European style, can you use than in place of a hanko? Or does it have to be in kanji form. Asking for a friend.
That sounds like a horror movie, i could change my home address atleast four times on all my bills during the duration of this video
The working from home made me grin like the dumbass that I am
Can't you get the hanko made into a ring so you don't have to worry about carrying it?
fun fact: Expensive Japanese hanko stamps are made in ivory. So their bureaucracy kills elephants.
Yes there are ivory hanko, but majority are not.
Attempting to copy my signature is more likely to cause a fraud alert than me doing it myself as replicating my doctors script signature has too many aspects to account for how it looks in every situation... The signature for the meds I get is entirely different from the signature I use at the local burger joint... Which is different from the one on my financial statements... Even things that objectively are consistent across those things, aren't all that similar when you get down to it... Not to mention that I watch my accounts like a hawk eyeing that plump chicken cluking around on those "modern free-range homesteads"
I know all of the subscriptions I am signed up for, and so on.
Agreed we need wax seals instead
Real Tag by Real Onigoko... I had to look it up as it sounded like an awesome movie. Though... It turns out it's a Shion Sono film that I have already watched. And it was awesome... but it has nothing to do with the plot that is described here about the King Sato wanting to be the only Sato...
I smell shenanigans here. :D
They're wrong about a person's personal Hanko being a dollar store item; they're actually hand-crafted, expensive and a pain to go get (lotta decisions to make on style too). I'm told it's a little like a right of passage like getting your first I.D.. The dollar store ones are for kids. But yeah... after Corona it's better to stop requiring them for paper work.
Is it just me but that just sounds like a rip off.
"I'm told" bro these guys literally live in Japan. this isn't something they've just heard. this is their lives.
Japanese signature stamps are one of those throwbacks to the olden days that still exist even though they're pointless. Similar to notary stamps in the US, which digital signature verification has made pointless, but most large dollar or real estate transactions still require you to go down to the local bank or lawyer to get some pointless stamp on the document.
All Asians understand this as this goes back to ancient China. Japan’s not the only country to have name seal stamps. It’s just other East Asian countries use them to a far lesser degree for their own sanity.
Hahaha, I never update my address on anything. It isn’t my job to update databases.
Bro where tf garnt get the hoodie I want it
Apparently there are two Riaru Onigokko movies..? One is called "tag" in english the other one is "chasing world". Both are horror movies. If you watch the opening scene of "tag" you might find you've already seen it out of context somewhere else lol