David Moyes made a HUGE MISTAKE sacking me at Man United, Rene Meulensteen tells talkSPORT! 🤦‍♂️😤

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  • Rene Meulensteen explains where he thinks it went wrong for David Moyes as Man United boss, but insists he is NOT bitter about being let go as Man United first team coach by the Scotsman!
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  • @biachfarm8469
    @biachfarm8469 Před 8 měsíci +162

    and that was the time..when Moyes said to Rio and Vidic to learn from Jagielka 😂

    • @marcussewell8999
      @marcussewell8999 Před 8 měsíci +5

      Stop it 😂😂😂

    • @vietkong1
      @vietkong1 Před 8 měsíci

      Yeah I remember that imagine how confused Rio and Vidic must have been. Just for saying that Moyesy should have been sacked on the spot

  • @LeeTAZ-sl7de
    @LeeTAZ-sl7de Před 8 měsíci +101

    If tou look at Ten Hag, he walked into a club in turmoil, his first thought wasnt lets turn United into Ajax, one of the first things he did was visit the united museum to learn more about the history and identity of the club, he then told the players to visit the museum. Even with his choice of coaches he braught in Maclaren, not only a coach he had worked with but a coach that had worked with sir Alex during initeds treble winning season.

    • @Igunbor
      @Igunbor Před 8 měsíci +3

      Please how can we pin this, to top of comments…?

    • @learnenglishwithrichard8175
      @learnenglishwithrichard8175 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Igunbor welcome to CZcams. Likes will make comments rise.

    • @ponyboy1664
      @ponyboy1664 Před 8 měsíci +4

      He then went on to try and sign every Ajax player...

    • @FountainOfYoot
      @FountainOfYoot Před 8 měsíci +9

      ​@@ponyboy1664he bought two. Calm your loins.

    • @clinton9769
      @clinton9769 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@ponyboy1664 they werent just ajax players they where his players, players he developed

  • @paulorganisation1
    @paulorganisation1 Před 8 měsíci +160

    We manutd fans have not forgotten how he dismantled everything.

  • @GrahransWoWGold
    @GrahransWoWGold Před 8 měsíci +178

    This has always been Moyes downfall. He dismantled the structure of the club, which would have offered him more stability in his job. Who starts a new job, and ruins every chance of making it a success?!

    • @WOOOPdoctorFROGhere
      @WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Před 8 měsíci +35

      what? so you're suggesting sacking league winning staff and replacing them with Phil Neville was a bad idea???

    • @GrahransWoWGold
      @GrahransWoWGold Před 8 měsíci +9

      @@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @marcvatter1686
      @marcvatter1686 Před 8 měsíci +22

      I totally agree, as soon as Moyes got rid off Ferguson’s back room staff, he was going to struggle.

    • @reginaldoklah6845
      @reginaldoklah6845 Před 8 měsíci +23

      I have always been saying this. Should have kept the backroom staff at least made gradual changes. Moyes believed in his own hype
      In fact, I think Moyes is the reason Utd is where we are now.

    • @jamesmilne8445
      @jamesmilne8445 Před 8 měsíci +10

      Soon as Moyes made that decision I knew he was toast.

  • @upon-fe2720
    @upon-fe2720 Před 8 měsíci +39

    This was the biggest thing about Moyes' era, he changed too much too quick. I can't imagine how much he regrets it.

    • @MichaelBoogerd
      @MichaelBoogerd Před 8 měsíci

      I think he was under a lot of pressure to do just that, but it backfired in that the continuity was lost.

  • @kaisersolo76
    @kaisersolo76 Před 8 měsíci +69

    Moyes, replaced fergies full back room staff with his jokers . thats why he failed.

    • @PedroPorridge
      @PedroPorridge Před 8 měsíci +1

      Unbelievable decisions that heralded his downfall

    • @Timekeeper1200
      @Timekeeper1200 Před 8 měsíci +3

      None of Ferguson's staff who Moyes released have done much since 2013

    • @iainrobertson3328
      @iainrobertson3328 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Moves biggest mistake he should have not got rid of them

    • @matthewm3869
      @matthewm3869 Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@Timekeeper1200 you're not seeing the point. When you have a group of players that has worked with and trusted these coaches, it doesn't make sense to just dismantle the whole thing and get rid of them all rather than trying to work a few of them into the staff

    • @MrLEPARKER
      @MrLEPARKER Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@Timekeeper1200 it was a team effort as rene explained... the gutts of the club was ripped out after losing fergie if that wasnt bad enghth to cope with and the ageing team he left us with

  • @Crashbandicoot449
    @Crashbandicoot449 Před 8 měsíci +59

    He’s right tbf meulensteen was a great coach for United .

  • @rahulanandam
    @rahulanandam Před 8 měsíci +12

    David Moyes didn't only try to reinvent the wheel, he tried to make a F1 Pirelli tyre with stone...

  • @teaandbiscuits1
    @teaandbiscuits1 Před 8 měsíci +63

    I remember this being the moment that I thought we were doomed.

    • @Lifewithgoldbridge121
      @Lifewithgoldbridge121 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yea, I was baffled he changed the whole staff room of winners.

    • @WOOOPdoctorFROGhere
      @WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Před 8 měsíci +4

      I thought we were doomed the moment that the media were speculating that moyes was about to get the job. He didn't even need to walk through the door for most of us to know he was the wrong appointment. The loss of momentum he cost us is still being felt today, ten years later. Imagine City replacing Pep with an appointment like that. Batshit decision.

    • @johndough1703
      @johndough1703 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere It was strange. Moyes at Everton was confident for their standing in the table. When he came to UTD it was like he couldn’t even stand up straight, like he was already picturing his inevitable failure.

    • @user-qx9fy8gu1w
      @user-qx9fy8gu1w Před 8 měsíci

      @@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Fergie took Pep out for dinner and sounded him out about taking over he then had a year off and went to Bayern

    • @WOOOPdoctorFROGhere
      @WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Před 8 měsíci

      @@user-qx9fy8gu1w yes I'm aware. Fergie has since commented that he suspected Pep had already agreed a deal with Munchen but was too polite to reject Fergie's offer during the dinner

  • @trustmeimaphysiologist
    @trustmeimaphysiologist Před 8 měsíci +38

    I don't think this is just about football, but leadership in general... I've always thought that strong managers are willing to keep things as they were, do the job, and see how the existing staff operate before making changes; and weak managers make immediate changes, usually surrounding themselves with "yes men/women".

  • @nathanparfitt3038
    @nathanparfitt3038 Před 8 měsíci +59

    Showing Ferdinand how defend using videos of jagielka is the equivalent of swapping a prem team winning back room staff with a team of top four hopefuls

    • @Alzenryo
      @Alzenryo Před 8 měsíci +7

      Imagine changing all high standard coaching staff to midtable everton coaches, no wonder they finished 7th.

    • @nathanparfitt3038
      @nathanparfitt3038 Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@Alzenryo he was quite clearly stubborn on top of being out of his depth, they may have just followed on with some success had he not made the radical changes he did when he came…..probably fergies biggest mistake he made was the one to appoint moyseh

    • @sillwuka
      @sillwuka Před 8 měsíci

      It's just a myth that.

    • @nathanparfitt3038
      @nathanparfitt3038 Před 8 měsíci

      @@sillwuka not according to Rio Ferdinand on his podcast

    • @MrGts92
      @MrGts92 Před 8 měsíci

      “I don't know where that came from to be honest, that's something that never happened,” Ferdinand told the BBC.
      “Listen, Phil Jagielka was a very good player. I'm sure he wouldn't have shown us videos of Phil of how we should be doing this and that, but I don't know where that came from. That's just some mad tale that's come out of nowhere.
      “Someone has dreamed that up and it's become a great meme.”
      Imagine still peddling lies after Rio has said otherwise 😂😂😂😂 knowledgeable fanbase

  • @chrisknight2631
    @chrisknight2631 Před 8 měsíci +108

    It was a stupid decision.
    Imagine going from a mid-table team, with mid-table staff, mid-table coaches, and going to the champions, with champion staff, champion coaches, and getting rid of the champion lot and bringing the mid-table lot in. Utter joke.
    United finished 7th that year, and have yet to recover. Behind the scenes the club has been in disarray since then.

    • @Dazzer-gx3yl
      @Dazzer-gx3yl Před 8 měsíci +10

      In all honestly it was before then as Sir Alex patched up a lot of the team with players who really had no right in playing for the club. Cleverley, Anderson etc. He was able to get a tune out of his key guys to carry the team, but it did need an overhaul.

    • @PedroPorridge
      @PedroPorridge Před 8 měsíci +2

      Really was unbelievable

    • @dariel299
      @dariel299 Před 8 měsíci +12

      so far on the right track with eth, long may the reign continue

    • @adamaston1460
      @adamaston1460 Před 8 měsíci +2

      I think fergie left the squad knowing it was right for the new manager to bring in his own players it’s why he left clevs and the deadwood so he could buy who he wanted if saf sold them he would need to buy and that would leave moyes more problems as they were saf players not his didn’t help that his first transfer window was an utter joke thanks to Woodward

    • @zinedinezidane4771
      @zinedinezidane4771 Před 8 měsíci +3

      I half agree with this. But think it's more to do with the Glazers than fergie. When we sold Ronaldo we bought bloody Valencia and Owen

  • @AGH2304
    @AGH2304 Před 8 měsíci +13

    Knew it was a bad decision at the time. Moyes EGO got in the way.

  • @steve13191
    @steve13191 Před 8 měsíci +44

    Moyes only has one style of play. Back post crossing and set piece. Play down the channel to a strong striker. As much as moyes ruined united, fergie played the biggest part picking a clown just because he is scottish 🤣🤣🤣

    • @djelalniyazi4090
      @djelalniyazi4090 Před 8 měsíci +1

      i think fergie really had the say to bring moyes in, part his fault

    • @tonyqwabe5873
      @tonyqwabe5873 Před 8 měsíci +4

      Jobs for Pals

    • @rhys2091
      @rhys2091 Před 8 měsíci +2

      He didn’t pick him, read his book there were like 5 candidates above him, including pep and klopp, moyes was his bottom tier choice

    • @rhys2091
      @rhys2091 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@djelalniyazi4090no he didn’t, he wanted other managers but the club couldn’t get them, shouldn’t be blaming him whatsoever when he wanted other completely elite managers

    • @MrThedonhead
      @MrThedonhead Před 8 měsíci +3

      Your talking absolute rubbish! He wasn't his first choice and as if it is going to be all down to Ferguson to decide 😂 and pick him coz he's Scottish 😂 also he didn't know he was going to change everything and buy players like Fellani!! Fellani at Manchester United! Besides people was quite happy with Moyes at the time

  • @steadycasemiro
    @steadycasemiro Před 8 měsíci +42

    The job was always going to be far too big for Moyes.

    • @matthewdoyle3877
      @matthewdoyle3877 Před 8 měsíci

      So he didint deserve a bit more time?????????

    • @benwatkins6513
      @benwatkins6513 Před 8 měsíci +7

      ​@@matthewdoyle3877no cuz he changed to much got cocky

    • @MadMurdock69
      @MadMurdock69 Před 8 měsíci +7

      ​@@matthewdoyle3877NO..
      Should never have been appointed..

    • @steadycasemiro
      @steadycasemiro Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@matthewdoyle3877 No, I think they realised very quickly that he wasn’t cut out for it. He lost the fans and the squad. Once that happens, there is no way back.

    • @jamespalmer980
      @jamespalmer980 Před 8 měsíci +3

      He deserved no time. What’s he ever done in management? He’s useless

  • @BabsW
    @BabsW Před 8 měsíci +5

    I remember seeing the BBC Sport headline that Moyes was replacing Sir Alex's coaches with his coaches and feeling even worse about Moyes replacing Sir Alex. He was doomed and it was so obvious- he actually did worse than I predicted.

  • @elvisng76204
    @elvisng76204 Před 8 měsíci +24

    I think the hierachy + Gills and SAF thought that appointing Moyes would continued w the same club structure and backroom staffs and coaches as Utd had been successful for many years. And if appointing other top coaches at that time would certainly meant replacing the entire coaching staff with theirs.

    • @user-qx9fy8gu1w
      @user-qx9fy8gu1w Před 8 měsíci +6

      I think it was fairly well known Moyes was about 5th choice. Pep was the choice but had a year off and went to Bayern. Fergie left because his wife lost her sister so the planning went out the window. Moyes was seen as someone who was worth a go. As the interview goes he had no idea how big the job was. I have no idea why you bin everyone who had just won the league by a mile.

    • @samkev5246
      @samkev5246 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@user-qx9fy8gu1wFergie probably knew his time was up when Man City won the title at the last minute of 2012.
      And he bottled away the championship lead, they were 8 points clear in April, and scuppered the lead into May. Unforgivable for himself.
      Everyone thought Fergie lost his championship credentials.
      He fought for RVP, and thought this guy will be his last throw of the dice. And it worked.

  • @Its_JustKai
    @Its_JustKai Před 8 měsíci +16

    David Moyes fired his guidance in his way forward and failed!

  • @rubindevasia6614
    @rubindevasia6614 Před 8 měsíci +26

    Moyes is one of the culprits for the downfall of United😢

    • @nickraoyj
      @nickraoyj Před 8 měsíci +3

      I'd argue the root cause of it all, ironically, was Sir Alex himself. A manager can't be given all the power to appoint his own successor, it's the job for a Director of Football, of which United never had one because Fergie was handling everything. His far-reaching influence was counter-productive for United, and if he was truly wise he'd have laid the foundations for a modern system in place before he left, i.e. making sure a DOF was appointed and for commercial and football arms to be separated.

    • @ntuarabrian948
      @ntuarabrian948 Před 8 měsíci

      @@nickraoyj Wise thoughts man I've also always felt Fergie should have done well in that regard coz our system was entirely laid and reliant on his blueprint such that if he left, the aftermath could have always been felt regardless and not for the best reasons...

    • @rubindevasia6614
      @rubindevasia6614 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@nickraoyj i agree with Fergie point.. and definitely deep down he knows he has played a part in this downfall for his influence on the club

    • @MaryLogan-gj3sm
      @MaryLogan-gj3sm Před 8 měsíci +1

      Also, you could argue that Man Utd never really won the league in AF's last season, rather the other teams lost it. The standard of that league win was really poor.

    • @MrGts92
      @MrGts92 Před 8 měsíci

      Not really, we had so many opportunities to create a system after Moyes and we didn't. The squad needed to be changed and we had no plan.

  • @bman6414
    @bman6414 Před 8 měsíci +4

    I remember hearing Moyes would succeed Sir Alex and thinking "well we had a good run".

  • @nevillecharlton8260
    @nevillecharlton8260 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Moyes should've kept that foundation that was so dumb of him, we wouldn't have suffered like we have in the last 10 years!

  • @prestozer
    @prestozer Před 8 měsíci +9

    Moyes ushered in the dark days after dismantling the structure. Everyone has been attempting to put it right, but it's very difficult. Hope Ten Hag win's something significant.

  • @pauldark3044
    @pauldark3044 Před 8 měsíci +8

    That Utd won the PL in 2013 with a mediocre team at best says enough about the staff that was there, Moyes really f..... up the way he handled it

  • @brandonmoran6478
    @brandonmoran6478 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Like buying a house, being told work needs doing on the foundations and instead building a balcony.....

  • @Gotair111
    @Gotair111 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Finally we get the truth!

  • @pappathescooper
    @pappathescooper Před 8 měsíci +3

    Cuckold Moyes
    Replace the trusted winning back room staff with ‘his own people’ = Phil Neville 😂😂😂😂
    Nice one mate

  • @neilpearce
    @neilpearce Před 8 měsíci +2

    Players respected and love Rene, he’s one of the best coaches in the game and when he left and Moyes started coaching, that was when Moyes lost the players.

  • @SMB357
    @SMB357 Před 8 měsíci +13

    Very much a big mistake, never a good idea to sack people that knows the club and has multiple trophies on their CV.

    • @Sauvage_Foxes
      @Sauvage_Foxes Před 8 měsíci

      would hve been moyes ego. To be fair sir alex won the title with an awful team that moyes inherited. I don't think the outcome would have changed with or without fergys assistants. There were already cracks i feel. bit like the stadium lol

  • @pauloccs2546
    @pauloccs2546 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Meulensteen was an absolute legend. I was gutted when he went

  • @karannegi7199
    @karannegi7199 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Moyes can still make up to United fans by signing Harry Maguire and getting him off their books. Now is the chance to redeem himself!

  • @Edgeloading5539
    @Edgeloading5539 Před 8 měsíci +29

    So he admits he goes in the new manager in his house and tells him how the place runs and how they do it and what they should do and what the previous manager wants. Yeah not surprising he was binned off.

    • @matthewm3869
      @matthewm3869 Před 8 měsíci +15

      it's almost ilke managing Everton was different than United at that time. Moyes was a fool for just cutting every coach the players worked with and trusted and then showing them footage of Everton players, give me a break.

    • @eNyaaaw
      @eNyaaaw Před 8 měsíci +8

      Not surprised David was binned off. Should have listened.

    • @MrLEPARKER
      @MrLEPARKER Před 8 měsíci +2

      so if you had to captin a ship would you not trust its crew???

    • @seb1554
      @seb1554 Před 8 měsíci +7

      But Moyes has no track record of winning anything so it’s not like he came in with any authority I’m sure Rene was just trying to help and guide him.

    • @jhpfdijtuiweruot
      @jhpfdijtuiweruot Před 8 měsíci +2

      Aw you've just started watching football. Cute

  • @Pob2278
    @Pob2278 Před 8 měsíci +3

    And then signed Fellini 😂

  • @charlieparkeris
    @charlieparkeris Před 8 měsíci +6

    I think every football fan on the planet aside from Moyes and his staff felt that it was a mistake.

  • @TMAS01
    @TMAS01 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Bit of a click bait headline 😆

  • @PedroPorridge
    @PedroPorridge Před 8 měsíci +3

    Jose Mourinho was the man afterSir Alex he would have maintained the continuity.

  • @PedroPorridge
    @PedroPorridge Před 8 měsíci +3

    This is fascinating I listened to it five times. Gonna listen again

  • @oumaduthsauba4053
    @oumaduthsauba4053 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Rene is absolutely right. Shame different style of management from mid table manager.

  • @Its_JustKai
    @Its_JustKai Před 8 měsíci +18

    David Moyes if u had listened to Sir Alex before taking the reins at Old Trafford you wld have been a success!

    • @matthewdoyle3877
      @matthewdoyle3877 Před 8 měsíci +1

      He needed time like Ferguson had

    • @Its_JustKai
      @Its_JustKai Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@matthewdoyle3877 NAH he didn't follow the instructions Sir Alex gave him he never shld have fired the backroom staff Fergie left him wht!

    • @AddedTime2476
      @AddedTime2476 Před 8 měsíci

      @@matthewdoyle3877 Time is earned and Moyes didn't earn it

    • @kingy-ck2qw
      @kingy-ck2qw Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@Its_JustKaiThat's exactly why he had to get rid of Fergie gurus....TAKING INSTRUCTIONS!! 😂 He was a manager and he was the one to be giving instructions not the other way round. He was unfortunate that he didn't perform are required of the team of that calibre but he was right to pick a backroom stuff he was comfortable with. Being reminded of how we do things here is not good. Moyes being a manager, like any other manager, wanted to do what he wanted to do how he wanted to do his way

    • @matthewdoyle3877
      @matthewdoyle3877 Před 8 měsíci

      @@AddedTime2476 He could hardly earn it in 10 MONTHS could he??????? Ferguson needed longer than that to win his first trophy SEVEN YEARS to win title, good job you wasnt born back then you would have wanted Ferguson out

  • @Sasha_1991
    @Sasha_1991 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Rene is amazing what articulate guy... Top.class

  • @william_ed132
    @william_ed132 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Jim White making sure he gets the Moyes criticism in, Sullivan called in a favour to Jim.

    • @LEON.1717
      @LEON.1717 Před 8 měsíci +1

      He has been getting some stick on here lately. 🤔

  • @shaw9673
    @shaw9673 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Would love Rene Back at the club along with Carlos queiroz also in some Capacity

    • @TB-rq1hz
      @TB-rq1hz Před 8 měsíci +1

      Then we might as well bring SAF back as well! You can't go backwards. Football like everything else evolves. You need to move with the times.

    • @joekavanagh7171
      @joekavanagh7171 Před 8 měsíci +2

      I agree. We had some brilliant coaches under Ferguson, such as McClaren, Queiroz, Phelan and Meulensteen. It's significant that Ferguson's worst seasons were when he did not have an assistant manager.

    • @shaw9673
      @shaw9673 Před 8 měsíci

      @@joekavanagh7171 yeh I think Renee would be a perfect addition to the existing staff and his knowlage and knowing the club. And Carlos was a tactic genius to add to it

  • @MaverickLee11
    @MaverickLee11 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hope Ten Hag brings him back, for any role within the club. He is important.

  • @leviathon18
    @leviathon18 Před 8 měsíci +1

    The biggest problem was Fergie left a worn out retired team for the next manager, even though they won the league with van persie the rest of the team were on their last legs. Then the board did not back moyes in the transfer market from the get go and he had to get his 3rd or 4th choices and every other manager had a problem getting the players they wanted.

  • @adamp2426
    @adamp2426 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Moyes may have done more damage than previously thought.
    Removing the successful structure that had been in place for years.

  • @Erlendwi
    @Erlendwi Před 8 měsíci +16

    Getting the manager of Everton to Manchester United. That was a funny one. What an absolute disaster of an appointment. So Moyes, manager of Everton thought he could just walk in and replace all the staff with his staff and expect any respect from the players? Good one. I remember the day, I was in shock and disbelief when Moyes got the job.

    • @fabianblackman2159
      @fabianblackman2159 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Real madrid has done the same 😂

    • @erlendwillassen4027
      @erlendwillassen4027 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@fabianblackman2159 Yes with a world beater of a manager. ;)

    • @seb1554
      @seb1554 Před 8 měsíci +1

      This is all the Glazers fault that they allowed the outgoing manager to choose his successor. They thought he might be another Fergie who can win them things on the cheap, just greed and incompetence.

    • @jhpfdijtuiweruot
      @jhpfdijtuiweruot Před 8 měsíci +1

      Fergie came from Aberdeen to Utd

    • @seb1554
      @seb1554 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@jhpfdijtuiweruot Aberdeen were the Scottish and European cup champions…

  • @user-sf4se1oe5w
    @user-sf4se1oe5w Před 8 měsíci +1

    Man tore the entire entity of the club apart in less than 6 months.
    Players and staff!

  • @javiismael1480
    @javiismael1480 Před 8 měsíci +4

    From the day Moyes took over and I learned he sacked back room staff I knew he will fail … had he kept back room staff he would’ve stayed longer and could’ve been successful.

    • @TB-rq1hz
      @TB-rq1hz Před 8 měsíci

      TBH I don't think Moyes would have been a success. He lacks so much as a manager so he was doomed from the start.

  • @tris421
    @tris421 Před 8 měsíci +1

    damn firing one of the most respected and best coaches in the game at the time and bringing in a team entirely of Everton coaches used to playing defensive football has to be one of the dumbest decisions i've ever heard of in football.

  • @TheCzechLad_
    @TheCzechLad_ Před 8 měsíci +3

    After Sir Alex left, Moyes came in and dismantled the entire club, all the coaching staff = gone. David Gill who was the chief executive left with Sir Alex and in came Ed Woodward who had absolutely no idea about football whatsoever and he was the main decision maker at the club apart from the owners. Moyes was a disaster, Van Gaal and Mourinho weren’t much better even though they won silverware, I do think if Mourinho got backed properly like Ten Hag is now he would’ve won a lot more, maybe even a title. What Manchester United should’ve done when Sir Alex retired is go and get Pep Guardiola or Jurgen Klopp. Pep left Barca in 2012 and didn’t join Bayern until 2013, Klopp won 2 titles with Dortmund in 2011 and a double in 2012, he should’ve been priority number 1. That’s all in the past now obviously and I’m happy we’ve got Erik Ten Hag now, but it should’ve been dealt with much better back then.

    • @AddedTime2476
      @AddedTime2476 Před 8 měsíci

      Both Pep and Klopp didn't want the job
      Ancelotti and Del Bosque rejected the job
      Conflicting reports about Jose
      Hiddink and Blanc were realistic

  • @800iq2
    @800iq2 Před 8 měsíci +8

    I always knew Moyes was gonna be trash but wanted him to succeed anyway. I really felt like the players didn't buy into Moyes and you can see the hesitancy of the players on the pitch. You can see the players really buy into SAF when they played. They played with a sense of trust in the tactics and each other and that went out the window when Moyes took over. Shame. Was really expecting a more decorated manager to succeed SAF.

  • @ragecandy
    @ragecandy Před 8 měsíci +4

    Moyes destroyed Utd in a season

  • @raphael7373
    @raphael7373 Před 8 měsíci +8

    Moyes took us to the darkest part of the abyss. That I will never forget.

  • @haatpraat2993
    @haatpraat2993 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Living in the Netherlands myself, the way Meulensteen speaks English is typical of the way many Dutch people who hang out with Brits all the time speak English - its like an English accent you just can't place.

  • @HonestRef
    @HonestRef Před 8 měsíci +1

    Moyes was an idiot for getting rid of this great backroom team. The information and knowledge he could have gained from them could have been priceless

  • @AshBashSneakers
    @AshBashSneakers Před 8 měsíci +6

    Moyes was thre beginning of the end for us

    • @matthewdoyle3877
      @matthewdoyle3877 Před 8 měsíci

      Your darling Ferguson was ONE game from the sack in 1990

    • @Bpg5012trick
      @Bpg5012trick Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@matthewdoyle3877But Ferguson went on to prove himself, what has Moyes gone on to prove?

    • @matthewdoyle3877
      @matthewdoyle3877 Před 8 měsíci

      @@Bpg5012trick ONLY cause he got the time. Moyes has just won a trophy with a bang-average West ham side

  • @joekavanagh7171
    @joekavanagh7171 Před 8 měsíci +2

    If United wanted Moyes as his successor, they should have appointed him to the training staff a year before Ferguson left, so he could have been integrated into the United system, and learned how to work with Ferguson's brilliant backroom team of Phelan and Meulensteen. Instead he replaced them with his own Everton backroom team. Can you imagine the likes of Jimmy Lumsden and Steve Round telling Rooney, Scholes and Giggs how to play?

    • @tonybrown3192
      @tonybrown3192 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Absolutely spot on, I have said the same thing myself, Moyes, or whomever the replacement was, should have been integrated onto the coaching staff at least one season in advance to learn from Fergie and integrate with the existing staff.

  • @Jonathanlenthang
    @Jonathanlenthang Před 8 měsíci +2

    Mourinho was the right one when sir Alex retired.

  • @danw8586
    @danw8586 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Can you hurry up and get Simon back from holiday, finding myself switching to other stations recently.

  • @MrGts92
    @MrGts92 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Moyes was just the first victim of Woodward. You can't 5 bad managerial appointments in a row, it just doesn't happen at big clubs unless theres something fundamentally wrong.
    If we take Moyes as the wrong fit, then the following managers should've worked better.

  • @peterdowney7980
    @peterdowney7980 Před 8 měsíci +1

    GB
    "David Moyes made a HUGE MISTAKE sacking me". Moyes didn't do that and Meulensteen didn't say that - anything like. Come on talkSPORT, you're better than that, surely?

  • @CEO786
    @CEO786 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Very good decision from Moyes ❤

  • @paarker
    @paarker Před 8 měsíci +1

    This why I’m glad they got rid of Moyes quickly.
    You don’t rush to change a winning formula. He tipped the place upside down. He destroyed the culture.

  • @jasonbowe9767
    @jasonbowe9767 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Moyes is one of the most overrated managers ever, probably one of the worst mistakes Ferguson ever made appointing him.

    • @ultra5057
      @ultra5057 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Overrated? I would argue that he isn't rated much at all 😂

  • @topbins1391
    @topbins1391 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Rene is actually irreplaceable. Moyes fucked up majorly

  • @BigDome1
    @BigDome1 Před 8 měsíci +1

    If it had worked out people would have called it a "rebuild", it didn't. You can't necessarily say it was a totally flawed or incomprehensible approach, he probably thought that the best way to move forward was to create something new rather than try and fail at copying SAF.

    • @Funnylaugh150
      @Funnylaugh150 Před 8 měsíci +4

      Sacking Title winning staff to bring in Mid table staff is not a rebuild. it was just utter Rubish decision. and you wonder why they eventually finished 7th (mid table) that season.

  • @karlmeadows4986
    @karlmeadows4986 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Moyes shouldn't of been allowed to get rid of the dna of the club ,that was a big mistake, took 20 years to get all the backroom sorted and moyes destroyed it in weeks

  • @thewidowmaker4037
    @thewidowmaker4037 Před 8 měsíci +1

    David Moyes got exactly what he deserved, from clearly out the backroom staff to telling Rio that he should watch Phil Jagielka, lets get it right Moyes looked like a competition winner he should never of been anywhere near Old Trafford.

  • @kbcaps
    @kbcaps Před 8 měsíci +1

    He was so beefed up by the idea that he was “handpicked” by Fergie who probably and deliberately handed him a poisoned chalice that his ego got the better of him! Fergie himself told him to keep things as is at the club but sadly for us and for him, he was never the right man for the job!
    His ego blinded him as to his ability to do the job!

  • @KIRRAH1
    @KIRRAH1 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Rene is right about that. Moyes dismantlef the machine Ferguson built!

  • @mensstyle7282
    @mensstyle7282 Před 8 měsíci +1

    For the people who say Moyes should have been given more time. I'll say this. David Moyes failed at United for multiple reasons- gutting the backroom staff, alienating the players (listen to Evra, Rio, Vidic etc), lacking sufficient tactical nous, having a small club mentality with some of the clangers he said in pre and post match interviews like 'we strive to be like City' and thinking he could do it all himself without delegating, playing an awful style football with no clear pattern of play which confused the players (again listen to ex players interviews who talk about this), dithering and messing up in the transfer market where he cancelled the Thiago transfer that was already in place and ended up signing Fellani for more money on the last day of the window when he could have signed him for a few million less a few weeks earlier by activating the release clause. The list goes on. The man was a disaster zone and completely out of his depth. There is a reason Utd were 7th when he got the chop. Had he stayed he would have ruined the club even more. What exactly has Moyes proven since? Sacked from Sociedad and West Ham the first time round after almost getting both teams relegated. Relegated Sunderland. OK he returned to West Ham and he won a the equivalent of the League Cup in Europe last season but that's not the champions league or even the Europa league. It's a tin cup and that's all he's ever won in 25 years of management. His teams always play boring defensive football. His strikers never seem to be prolific because of how he sets teams up with this set up to not lose mentality. He is also on the verge of being sacked from West Ham again.
    I respect what he did at Everton but some people go over the top about what he did there. He was there for years and slowly improved them on a tight budget. However, although he was praised for this (a little too much at times) there have been smaller clubs since like Swansea, Brentford etc on a much smaller budget who employed managers that played more attacking, progressive football that had successful seasons. Even Pullis at Stoke and Dyche at Burnley is comparable to what Moyes did. Although those 2 played dire football, Stoke and Burnley had smaller budgets than Everton and those 2 managers kept the club in the league for years and even overachieved in a couple of seasons qualifying for Europe. OK Moyes cemented Everton's place in league but so has everyone else that has managed that club as they still haven't been relegated. What Moyes did at Everton wasn't some miracle or anything like some people claim. It's not like Everton were knocking on the door of top 4 every season. Moyes overachieved at Everton in a couple of seasons but couldn't keep that up and even when in the one season he qualified for the champions league he got dumped out of the competition in the qualifying round. Look at how well Martinez initially did at Everton when he took over from Moyes and improved the style of play. In terms of managerial ability and reputation Moyes is in the same category as Big Sam, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce etc . That's nothing to be sniffed at but he is nowhere near being good enough for a top club.

    • @MrGts92
      @MrGts92 Před 8 měsíci

      In all that bible passage you seem to miss the fact that older players needed to be moved on quick, as they were way past it, injury prone and useless, Evra already tried to leave before Moyes and got mugged by Woodward.. Kroos, Thiago and Cesc were promised then the board fcuked up and he didn't want Fellaini or Mata.
      The only things that land squarely on Moyes was his tactics and handling of interviews. But it's a total lie to say he wanted Fellaini. He also said no to Pogba.

    • @mensstyle7282
      @mensstyle7282 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@MrGts92 You're moaning about a bible passage but your reply is 2 paragraphs long 😂Anyway, you've picked 2 things out of all the points I've raised as a counter argument as to why Moyes should be given more time. Lets address those shall we.
      1. You claim some of the older players needed moving on quick because they were old. injury prone and useless. I never stated otherwise. I said he alienated the dressing room which is fact based on what some ex players have revealed in interviews since leaving the club. E.g. Asking Vidic to watch videos of Phil Jagielka to become a better defender. The older players such as Rio, Vidic, Evra etc had a big influence on the dressing room at the time and were helping manage it to keep standards high. As a manager you need players with character like this around the place for leadership and you need them on your side. As Moyes rubbed the senior players up the wrong way he was a dead man walking. If it was Moyes' aim to get rid of them as they weren't in his plans then he went about it the wrong way.
      2. You said the board messed messed up the Cesc, Thiago and Kroos signings and its a total lie stating Moyes wanted Fellani. Firstly, I never stated in my original comment whether Moyes did or didn't want Fellani so you are the one telling total lies claiming I said things which I didn't. You don't seem to be able to read properly. I said, as shown above, Moyes was dithering in the transfer market and ended up signing him for money money in the last few minutes on deadline day after his release cause expired earlier in the summer when he could have been purchased cheaper. As you are the one bringing up the topic of Moyes not wanting Fellani, where have you got that information from? If that was the case why did Moyes put in a joint bid for both Fellani and Baines earlier in the summer ..hmmm. Yeah the board messed up with Cesc i agree with you on that. Shades of Frankie De Jong. But don't bring Kroos into it, that was a summer 2014 target which didn't go through as Moyes had been sacked by then and Van Gaal took over. As for Thiago, it famously didn't happen as Moyes claimed he didn't know enough about him. Fergie had already lined it up and it just needed the finishing touches to the deal and Thiago was texting Rio asking him what's going on as he wants to join. Rio said in an interview that he asked Moyes about it and his response at the time was they were looking at a couple of other players and deals were being worked on for them. Shocking stuff. Moyes also earned the nickname 'Dithering Dave' by Everton fans due to his uncertainty and overly cautious approach in the transfer market when he was the Toffees manager. So I'd suggest you get your facts straight and stop putting words in my mouth before you call me out again.

    • @MrGts92
      @MrGts92 Před 8 měsíci

      @@mensstyle7282 erm 2 passages that a are significantly less than one your one sentence 😂😂😂👌🏽

  • @joshp2354
    @joshp2354 Před 8 měsíci

    “Don’t worry, David. Do as we say and you’ll find your place”. Always thought Moyes ballsed it up bringing his Everton staff but if your new coaches said that to you, wouldn’t you rather have people who listened and respected you?

  • @RedWazzies
    @RedWazzies Před 8 měsíci

    Football was evolving at that time anyway. Mouse was the wrong appointment, but keeping the staff and business as usual was also not the right call.

  • @khwezimbolekwa5929
    @khwezimbolekwa5929 Před 8 měsíci

    Moyes had absolutely no business bring manager of Manchester United. Very poor decision, very poor.
    We are still reeling from that bit of madness

  • @fidgetspinner343
    @fidgetspinner343 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Lets not forget it was FERGIE who pushed heavily for Moyes as his replacement. Probably the worst decision of his entire career, everyone could see see he wasn't the right man even before he started.

  • @darrenpinnock6651
    @darrenpinnock6651 Před 8 měsíci

    He turned manu into Everton, i remember him saying the team wasn't good enough to win the prem, after them just winning it .

  • @AnthonyWhitewwfilms
    @AnthonyWhitewwfilms Před 8 měsíci +2

    Jim White constantly looking around at his producer smiling is irritating as F***.

  • @user-bi1yw1du7q
    @user-bi1yw1du7q Před 8 měsíci +1

    Sacking a world class coaching team. Ouch Moyes!

  • @JohnSmith-nn7tw
    @JohnSmith-nn7tw Před 8 měsíci +1

    Then Van Gaal fk up by selling 'United' players. Evans, Fletcher, Hernandez, van Persie. Experts making amateur mistakes.

  • @tat1ukpable
    @tat1ukpable Před 8 měsíci +1

    Sacked a number of premier league and champions league winning coaches to bring mid table Everton coaching staff in, sound like a good idea moyesey

  • @virupakshawalla5734
    @virupakshawalla5734 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Maybe this guy doing most of talking is the reason he went 😂.
    He wanted to carry on as though Moyes wasn't there😂

  • @chefmattlowe
    @chefmattlowe Před 8 měsíci +1

    Big mistake not to keep Meulensteen.

  • @craig1669
    @craig1669 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Anybody who was around the club when moyes took over knows.
    Our entire decline is purely down to moyes coming in and ripping up everything that made us successful behind the scenes.
    All the little details it took sir alex 27 years to perfect.
    The coaches, the scouts, the food, the training, and so many other things.
    Instead of coming in and learning from rene and mick, he said right lads, this is how i did it at everton.

  • @smokey6766
    @smokey6766 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Nothing has changed with Moyes he still messing things up at West Ham now.

  • @MrThedonhead
    @MrThedonhead Před 8 měsíci +1

    It was a crazy, stupid and arrogant thing to do, insane! Ferguson kept everyone that was already there and brang a few people with him and changed things as he went like the scouts etc! Imagine the disruption and effect on the players it had. And it was obviously a perfectly run club and all those people he got rid of would of helped him. He must be a bit thick really and so insecure thinking they will always be saying "Ferguson would do this" and so desperate to not be in his shadow whilst Ferguson embraced Busby.

  • @rezaesmaili10
    @rezaesmaili10 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Very interesting

  • @stevesteve5785
    @stevesteve5785 Před 8 měsíci +11

    Catch 22 this, because Moyes probably also wanted to do things his way, and was worried having people he doesn't know, will make it so he cannot do his thing properly, the way HE knows how to do it.
    Can't just keep the same people and carry on as if fergie hasn't just gone. I'm actually with Moyes on this one, the deriving factor here is that Moyes is not a great manager, and employed poor staff, despite the reasons actually being understandable.

    • @seb1554
      @seb1554 Před 8 měsíci +6

      agree with your analysis. Seems to me that Moyes didn’t have the self awareness to realise he needed to hire some top coaches to help him.

    • @jhpfdijtuiweruot
      @jhpfdijtuiweruot Před 8 měsíci +4

      Nah. Moyes made a catastrophical error. Not catcch 22 at all. We all know what happened next. Arguably Utd are still picking up the pieces today.

    • @BigDome1
      @BigDome1 Před 8 měsíci +6

      Totally agree. If he had done the opposite and failed people would have said "he should have done a complete rebuild, you're never going to replicate Fergie"

    • @jhpfdijtuiweruot
      @jhpfdijtuiweruot Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@BigDome1 You totally agree with nonsensical whataboutery?

    • @bman6414
      @bman6414 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Have to disagree. Moyes should have had more humility and realized that having Sir Alex's team behind him would be a beneficial thing for him and the players. Him wanting to "make his mark" was never going to work. He should have been happy to retain the staff and learn from them. I mean he was at a very mid Everton team. That's a massive gap.

  • @thecompletetruth5824
    @thecompletetruth5824 Před 8 měsíci +1

    These guys knows the whole secret of success at old trafford, if I was david, I would stick with them to learn the whole secrets...

  • @jacobfield4848
    @jacobfield4848 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Sir Alex Ferguson made Mick Phelan, Brian Kidd, Steve Mclaren, Carlos Queiroz and Rene Meulensteen look good. Without Fergie they were not good coaches.

  • @thomasmckeever1944
    @thomasmckeever1944 Před 8 měsíci +1

    And now he’s dismantling West Ham

  • @richardlewis7498
    @richardlewis7498 Před 8 měsíci

    Well when a manager like SAF leaves you have to either go with continuity or change. Man Utd went with the 1st option when Sir Matt ie Wilf Mcguiness and it was a disaster when SAF left went for a complete clear out again was a disaster so take you pick

  • @jackbartrem
    @jackbartrem Před 8 měsíci

    You have to put some of the blame on SAF too. Fancy thinking Moyes could do a job at Utd. 🤯

  • @slowgamer6864
    @slowgamer6864 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Yes losing this chancer was what caused the issues at United. Shocking really that Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich haven't been falling over themselves to hire him considering how he speaks about himself. Legend in his own mind.

    • @Chris-qg7td
      @Chris-qg7td Před 8 měsíci +11

      Losing this chancer? Rene was vital for SAF especially in the latter years. Moyes should of kept Rene and the rest of the backroom staff as they knew what it took for the day to day running of the club

    • @slowgamer6864
      @slowgamer6864 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@Chris-qg7td He was a decent coach, one of many that would have killed for the chance to work under Sir Alex Ferguson. The way he speaks he was close to 50/50 with Sir Alex in importance to the success United had. It's absurd.

    • @99wesser
      @99wesser Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@slowgamer6864 He was a huge part of the success the club had because he took charge of the training, he implemented what SAF wanted so to say he was a chancer is completely idiotic.

    • @slowgamer6864
      @slowgamer6864 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@99wesser Nope he's a chancer who's tried to sell himself as a football guru since he lost his role putting out cones and doing exactly what he was told by the greatest football manager of all time.

    • @brandonross1996
      @brandonross1996 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Who have you coached?

  • @thepurplepanda1194
    @thepurplepanda1194 Před 8 měsíci +1

    he removed kagawa, Chicarito, etc etc....

  • @ncedisafeni351
    @ncedisafeni351 Před 8 měsíci

    David must have felt they were going to try to dominate him, and he'll just be the face and not the actual manager. Im sure he felt more in control with ppl he trusted.
    Another thing that United team was finished. Over the hill players and prospects.
    They were out early in every cup that season and thanks to van persie they managed to lift a trophy. Lets not act like they were dominating.
    Alex wanted the shine on himself and left the team in a bad state.

  • @redordead4491
    @redordead4491 Před 8 měsíci +2

    We won the league the year before, if it's not broke don't fix it David!!! What a plum 😏🔰

  • @Petrosmurf9
    @Petrosmurf9 Před 8 měsíci

    Hahhahaha finally, and people kept arguing with me why moyes was bad for the club…glad this video came out

  • @markburchell5684
    @markburchell5684 Před 8 měsíci

    Doing the same thing over again and again and expecting a different result is madness

    • @robertwilliams-mv9ok
      @robertwilliams-mv9ok Před 8 měsíci

      No it isnt. This is the most stupid "quote" that is continually repeated. Ever tried making a cake or raspberry jam? Every free kick goes in the top corner? Never missed a penalty?

  • @ic.73
    @ic.73 Před 8 měsíci

    Moyes appointment was the single biggest mistake in the past 10 yrs of our club

  • @DjCraighowarth
    @DjCraighowarth Před 8 měsíci +1

    I’m looking for the part where he says “he made a HUGE MISTAKE” sacking me…. Anyone ? 🤔

  • @sallahudinmehuddin8046
    @sallahudinmehuddin8046 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Based on what he said there, united absolutely justified in sacking moyes.