【FFXIV】Melee Uptime Optimization Guide
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2017
- After around a hundred hours of editing, countless hours rewatching old clips, and 20+ hour rendering it is finally here!
*IF YOU ARE NOT LISTENING WITH HEADPHONES/EAR BUDS THE MUSIC MIGHT BE OVERBEARING WHEN CONTRASTED WITH MY VOICE"
Though this guides targeted demographic is melee (DRG, NIN, MNK, SAM, PLD, DRK, WAR) ranged and caster players can benefit as well from some sections!
Fast Forward:
1:59 Basics
3:59 Boss Mechanics
8:57 Risks
9:43 Auto Attacks
14:03 Movement
16:13 oGCD AOE Usage
18:07 Uptime and Positioning
20:12 Group Coordination
23:43 Gap Closer
28:17 Buff Uptime Optimization
[Edits and Fixes]
At 9:55 there is a duplicate spelling of the subtitle I say next should be "could mean the difference between beating someone or not" instead of "now you may be asking me"
At 0:30 "preview" is supposed to be "previous"
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This is a very well put together and comprehensive guide! It helped me see a lot of areas where my NIN DPS is suffering during boss fights like O3S. Thank you for putting all of this time into this guide! I know how much work it took to make this.
You're awesome momo, give so much information, especially for melee dps. Thanks for everything! :D
This is awesome, thanks for the time making something so useful
I've waited for something like this since I started playing in ARR o.o Good to see someone else finds this important and useful!
Super duper awesome video Momo! Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together and sharing your insights with everyone. Always supporting you man!
Ventus! You've been around since the start... Damn. Feels like so long ago.
Great, useful and in-depth video, as per usual. Keep up the good work man
Thanks again Sand!
Awesome vid Momo has really opened my 'Third eye' so to speak as a SAM main keep up the good work brother.
Lol who ISNT a SAM main these days
Dude this video is so helpful! You are the man.
no sentence hit me harder than the bit about "let's say you've been practicing your openers for hours irl and avoiding basic human necessities"
Thank you for putting this out. Seriously. No one else has content of the quality when it comes to elaborating on the mentality necessary to perform at a higher level. I remember seeing you on Bryn fishing with your fat cat when Gordias was over. And look at you now! Very happy with your growth as a player. :3
LOL OMG!!!
This video should be mandatory viewing for anyone playing the game. Not just melees, everyone. It's amazingly helpful thank you very much for making it.
This helped plenty even though I don't play melee. Great video as always Momo!
For losing autos to how you target when a boss goes away--
Controllers don't have the right click option. To do the same thing, double press x, and autos will start firing as if you'd right clicked.
Oh nice!
I love when the first question I have is answered before having to scroll through the comments.
I’ll be honest, I had no idea losing autos was even a thing, nice to learn something new!
This is a very helpful video. Thanks to you and great job =)
Damn the quality is real with this one, i dont even play melee anymore and watch your stuff religiously, good work as always my dood these 100 hours of editing really show
Thank you so much!
Great work as always!
Seeing the Shadow Fang refresh during Time Stasis in A12S with Mutilate running was so nostalgic
Thank you so much for this guide ! It will be my first time joining a raid group for savage and I will be playing Reaper and I want to do my best!:) this will defenitly help a lot !!
I'm trying to coach some friends to get them up to a higher tier and I've taken some more concise information from this. The examples really help to show them how these things can be done practically, as they can be quite esoteric to newer players.
Cringed a bit at your glams and the 30 minute butt-rock, but otherwise, fantastic video. Thanks!
Hey thanks for the advice! Since I am not a melee main but still play it sometimes, this is tremendously helpful - lots of tricks and tips that I never thought of
That "move to max melee range after seeing your AA hit" tip was quite helpful! I usually find max melee range by going away until out of range and I've definitely lost more AAs then I can count doing that ^^
^^?
A must! Very useful
Great video and editing along with tips ;). Thanks.
No, thank you for your support!
Awesome video, thanks for making it. o/
As a Monk main, this is some good shit. Granted I did know some stuff already but it was still an extremely helpful video.
Thanks man!
A high quality guide for melee dps? It's like all my nameday's have come at once.
hehe
amazing!!!
Excellent video! Sadly, my 200ish ping not allows me to keep that uptime (I hate to wait boss cast!), but certainly I'll improve my dps, thanks!
subbed for you intro, I love it. cant wait to see the rest of your stuff
Amazing guide.
Thanks so much!
Well done. 💪🏽
Much appreciated!
awesome video!
kyo-chan
Nice video, I do agree but I feel this only really works for savage content. Reason being is typically its in a static witch is the only place your notes on team coordination really fit.
If its in Duty Finder and many "quick" farm parties in Party Finder, then its survivability > uptime. If you get hit / die, it puts the group under more stress, also you can't dps if your dead. In situations like that practicing to better survive the fight rather then optimizing your uptime is the way to go. I have seen Monks try to optimize their DPS in a PF Susano but the tank did not take susano close enough to the center gap, so in trying to do more damage they end up almost wiping the entire group.
Anyway just my thoughts, I like to optimize but I find the way I take a choreographed fight is different then I would take an improvised fight (Witch also might be a better way to term the differences of the 2). Improvised is where you have to better track the situation, and react quickly, you cannot perfectly predict any outcome so you need to adapt quickly.
I made macro that allows you target/auto at the same time!
/micon "Auto-attack"
/ac "Target Forward"
/ac "Auto-attack"
You have to put this on hotbar and keybind TAB into said Slot.
PS. Target Forwarding allows you to target enemy you currently facing and since there not many adds in raids should be fine.
Works well on Melee/Ranged/Tanks :)
Amazing vid !! I think I'll have to watch this several time to get it all ! Gg for all this work it's really really amazing !
Btw I know the question can seems dumb but do you consider all melee dps even ?
All melee DPS do their jobs well imo.
FFXIVMomo thx for the quick answer 😄
Your awesome btw 😉
Thanks!
What's the name of the song you used for your intro? It sounds like a Mega Man X track but I can't put my finger on it. Also, amazing video, this has really helped me out.
Great guide. Damn if i had insane nice ping like that my uptime would be so much better
Whats your ping at? I'm at around 80.
Oh really :O mine should be similar if not lower. Though i'm playing from Australia so it could be worse, I'm taking my ping numbers from other games though XIV doesn't have the best in-game ping indication haha. Now i'm really keen to try that O3s tether with fire break you showed.
Could it be possible to get a small info-graphic for doing the alternate grandcross delta strat where tanks take the deathwave instead of the DPS with the affected healer? It appeared to be that way in the video
hey momo senpai - i know you answered it a few times but what song did you use for your intro?
Awesome video Momo, keep up the good work.
Btw, do you have a list of the songs you used during the video? :^)
Deperd - Hope!
now THAT is how you start a video
Hey awesome video, but I think it would only be appropriate to credit GaMetal for the intro music.
It's really cool and you seem to have referenced almost everything in the description :D
ye I bought the rights off of audiojungle a while ago but forgot to put them in the description thanks for reminding me
Great video as always Momo! Do you mind sharing your ariyala page with BiS for DRG?
ffxiv.ariyala.com/121CP
Does gap closing during O3S mindjack still work even if you're tethered to a DRK/WAR who will be doing the same? seems incredibly short for the tether to break.
It should. You want you to make sure your tanks/healers are stacked as close as possible before running away.
Can the part at 16:30 mins be clarified? What do you mean by freeing up the use of a gcd skill for another player? And why is it better used on the boss?
Hey, great video momo extremly useful !, i was wondering how do you turn around very quickly for elusive jump without moving the camera ?
Legacy controls!
Definetly going to try that, thanks !
Great video momo
Thanks!
COOOOOOOOLLLLL!
little small edit: gyoten doesn't interrupt the gcd rotation, yaten(backstep) does.
Gyoten doesn't mess with the GCD rotation but it messed with the OGCD rotation
Ty momo. Your voice is very soft in this video maybe try adding a touch of gain next time
I did actually! +8db and reduced the music by -13db
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Whats the song in the background?
my static sometimes get mad at me for being reckless like that and when im trying things out, but I tell them I have to to learn how to get the most uptime in a fight.
theres a time and place for it tho! if your group has agreed to do a optimal learning party then great but if they just wanna get there weekly done so they can go play rdr2 they wont be best pleased
@@raydearie9805 you're not wrong, but then that makes them incompatible and telling someone to limit themself is counterproductive to playing a game (my struggle. rip)
Hey momo, does 4.0 monk need sks? And if so around how much should be enough, trying to figure out how to build gear for a bis.
I've seen some SKS builds going around. Not sure how optimal it is though. ffxiv.ariyala.com/11OQU
Question. Does anybody know if the sss dummy’s gets harder to beat after a fresh batch of gear sets been released? I’ve seen people beat o4s at 320 but I’m struggling to beat the dam thing at 335 I don’t understand please help 😫 i should be able to beat the dummy with eaz I know my rotations but I can’t like it’s freaking impossible but it’s not this hurts my head 😔
Hello, new to the game. I really love your UI. I'd like to know where's your Huton counter? I didn't see it.
Thanks for this video Momo! Appreciate it!
I have a question on Buffs. I main Monk. Riddle of Fire and Brotherhood both have 90 sec cooldowns. Do you feel it is a DPS gain for me to use them on cooldown (or appropriate times), or should I hold them for the 120 second cooldown of my DRG's Dragon Sight?
Fate's Chosen Hero You're going to hold Riddle for thirty seconds for a 5% damage buff? Please tell me that sounds wrong to you. Brotherhood doesn't even effect yourself, so there's not reason not to use it off cool down.
Brotherhood's strength lies in the number of Forbidden Chakra's I can kick off at one time. If I have tied to Dragon Sight and other buffs I'd get at that time, then it has the possibility to be a big burst DPS gain.
Fate's Chosen Hero But then you get less uses throughout the fight, which is never a dps gain, no matter how optimal they were.
Imo just use your buffs whenever it is best for you. You will lose more dps clipping things or losing uptime or generally getting distracted than you will gain from stacking multiplicative buffs. It is probably a dps gain to delay your stuff by a few seconds though if a buddy has trick attack or something coming off cd in 10 seconds
Fate's Chosen Hero holding 2 cooldowns for 30 seconds each time you want to use them is awful and will lose you potentially multiple uses of each cooldown, it's only worth saving for the last usage of the fight
Can you explain the raid synergy concept at 28:28 in another video? Like go more in depth with the way you explain synergy and provide more examples?
That's the best advice so far: "Press any button, or you doing it wrong." So fcking true, im trying by myself to deal so much damage as possible even when my position is completly awful. And then.. i see other players (from my static) that ran MILES away when the "Look away" mechanic comes.. *facepalm* I don't even know why they are RUNNING AWAY?!?! xD
I should send them this guide... but i'm pretty sure i will get to hear "We're not hardcore, it's good enough." *sigh*
Whats the song used?
I saw in the "gap closers" section that as DRG you were using Elusive Jump really fast after being pushed back seemingly without turning your character or camera around. How are you rotating so fast to get it off?
Legacy Controls!
I feel like a reborn weeb from watching this. 10/10 Thanks for the guide Momo :)
How does the Halicarnassus vine break one work. Whenever I do this the vine doesn't break.
VolumeZero123 1st vine use sprint aswell, 2nd vine just elusive jump, 3rd vine sprint/elusive jump
gyoten doesnt interrupt the combos, only if you use enpi after you yaten
he never said combos, hes referring to sams ogcds rotation
Can you fo a advanced monk guide pls
Hmm, I wonder why some YT videos allow being able to watch at adjustable speeds, but some like this one, do not. I always like the option of consuming a 30 minute video in 15.
Great video by the way, even if I had to watch it at regular speed, that's nothing on you, just a curiosity.
The speed thing should still be there! I have it on my screen.
Weird it doesn't show up for me. Also, these are great tips, especially liked the auto attack section. I'm so paranoid about that, even as a tank. When you look at PLD FFlogs, Autos are a giant chunk of our damage, if not the most.
Always like your guides. I would love it if you did a tank centric guide, like "What a melee DPS wants from a tank", that sort of thing.
ooo! Good idea. I could def do that.
You should do an updated one of this someday. I'm still linking this to noobs to this day lol
Was this what you were editing when I was bugging you with my sprout? Hello again.
LOL yeah!
Hi Momo, do you offer personal training services? If so, I'd be willing to pay to learn directly from the best
The music is good :) Really makes you feel the power of the melee classes.
I didn't feel like the music was too loud (headphones) as most of your explanations was very visual.
Also I'd like to ask, is your old video on ninja opener still up to date ?
I'm training on training dummy and I'm having 300 dps difference between different tries. For some reason I'm getting more dps when I suiton after 1st gcd.
I have not watched the entire guide yet, but knowing that I have already been doing much of what you've described(I'm currently at the 9:02 mark as of this comment, but will finish the vid ofc)makes me feel like I'm still on the right track, but here's the thing: I was gone for almost a WHOLE year during the time of the second & final tiers of Alex Savage due to complete burn out on the game(my static couldn't make it past AS3 rip), my dps is still present as a MNK main, but SOMEHOW I'm not consistently hitting 4k+ dps?? I can't tell if I am just rusty or just simply not doing something correctly, but I have been a MNK main since day fucking ONE & this irritates the living shit outta me, quite honestly. My opener is lit & can pull 8k+ just fine, but then as fights go on, my dps dwindles.. why?
I had always been revered as one of the best MNKs on my server back in 2015 during my prime, but I think being gone for almost a year has REALLY fucked up my raid mentality & raid awareness.
I am an i327 MNK looking for your help. Please. I can provide any other info that you need, just can't think of anything else right now since didn't get much sleep last night.. but I would love love LOVE your input or even simple advice..
If you can provide me some footage of your gameplay I can try!
Our static DRG is wondering how you priorities your sub stats. We hear DH>DET>Crit with no mention of skill speed. we also hear DH>CRIT>DET so wondering how YOU do it
Min SKS > Crit > DH > Det
Thanks, I'm assuming min sks is a gcd of 2.4 - 2.43
what's your idea numbers? 1000 sks, 1900 crit, 1300 dh, 1000 det?
Hi there, I'm asking this on behalf of my friend from a translation group, can they translate this video into Chinese language and share it on bilibili ? Thanks!
Of course!
Thanks for your quick reply!
what are the names of the music you used in the video?
Deperd - Hope
I give up. Tried youtube, google, soundcloud..... couldn't find the song anywhere.
Any chance you could share a ling? Most poeple seemed to find it disturbing but I really thought it fit perfectly
Hyped me up to do better next time i go raid o7
Depard -Hope!
Guide is so fucking good.
NO U
Is a SAM with a SkS> DH build better than a SAM using DH> DET build? I've seen a lot of SAMs on FFlogs prioritizing SkS these days and are doing exceptionally well.
i'm currently running roughly 1.8k crit, 1.2k det, 1.6k direct hit unbuffed, skill speed around 800, average dps of 4.5k in savage. from what i've seen in terms of top ranked sam's prioritizing skill speed is if only their ilvl is high enough that they have enough strength or attack power w.e, and they can sacrifice the crit/dh melds and/or gear. I've seen people trying to hit the 1450 SS cap in i340 gear and comparing that to my roughly 800 SS, it adds to a relative higher number of gcd's over the encounter. so sacrificing the crit and dh for the amount of abilities can overcome in the long run.
personally i am under the mindset of if my crit and direct hit is over 3500 combined (i hear other sources it only has to be 3k, but im sticking with 3.5k), I will prioritize crit as my #1 stats, followed by direct hit and determination. I think once I am able to get average ilvl to maybe i335 or something lilke that (currently i330), I will toy around with trying to get my skill speed up to 1.4k area.
I heard SKS is really good for SAM. I haven't been following SAM lately however but you the Balance Discord has a chat channel dedicated to it SAM theorycrafting.
+Neeko R That isn't how Sks works I'm afraid. Someone with 1450 sks doesn't have twice the number of gcds as someone with 800; otherwise sks would be a god stat for all physical classes.
ah i completely muffed that you're right, I forgot it's a relative % based on a value. still, top sams are having SkS as the 3rd prioritized sub stat. i've seen multiple at the top of fflogs (2-3 weeks ago?) have roughly 1.4k for crit, direct hit, and SkS, while having 800-900 det and still pulling 4.8k+ dps
Can't hear you over the music. Thanks tho
what DPS meter u use?
MopiMopi and Kagerou
Does this can be applied to a RDM ?
Some sections can yes!
Hey guys if you have a problem with the audio being too loud I uploaded a different version for you guy! Check it out here - czcams.com/video/xungzaoKoC4/video.html
Apologies for some of the subtitle mistakes in the video! I had to rerender this video multiple times which clouded my vision so to speak and some of them slipped by me ;w;
Also make sure to read the description!
Hey Momo,
Try to keep the music lower on your videos. I had a hard time hearing you since you're soft spoken.
Thanks guy
Really?! I even lowered the volume extra on the parts I talked! My bad. It sounded fine in the video editing software ;w;
+FFXIVMomo honestly wouldn't even sweat it. It was a minor inconvenience. Still a great video.
Grow bigger ears Chamir, sheesh.
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how do u handle brain lag
You dont!
10/10 memelee guide
all melee should switch to legacy controls on PC, lets you use GCD's even when you normally shouldnt be able to
I have a friend that constantly complains about his stacks as monk. What do I do!?
Tell him to GIT GUD!
FFXIVMomo lol thanks! Great content btw
whats the song :o
Depard - Hope
oh, i guess it got it wrong then, my bad, sorry for the misinformation.
Thank you :D
2:43 momo can't "press" enough on this matter to always be "press"ing on something. Get those keybinds on the Ex"press" button and don't click...PRESS IT! Or i'll call the "press" on you >:
Momo, why lalafell, why :( ?
I watched this video and I went from greens to oranges.
Music way to loud and drowns you out
You're running out of content pewdiepie. This is the 6th you laugh you lose.
i just imagine during these fights in momos head all you hear is kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill
More like Jin Dono lmaooo
Wanna upload a version without the shitty rock music?
I hate this animation delay SO much. SUCH GARBAGE! Love this game... but this is easily my biggest critique. And yet SO MANY PEOPLE DEFEND IT! JUST START THE ANIMATION 80% THROUGH THE CAST BAR SO IT LINES UP, SE!
go back, lower the music levels, and re-upload.please and thanks.
Are you listening without headphones/earbuds? The music is fine with those.
I went ahead and started rendering the video again and will reupload it along side this one later on in the day.
you the best
Rick&Red React I didn't find it to be a problem, but I guess it depends on what speakers you use.
It's very loud. Very loud.
heavy metal music is not a good background for a 30min informative tutorial
Sorry. :(
masamuneseraph Think it's more subjective than anything. I personally didn't mind it myself, plus it was kinda catchy during the moments of no audio when the action clips were being displayed.
Slain Heart it was too loud, Xenos videos also have music but they're like at 10% volume not 100%
You must have a different perception of sound then. That or different sound equipment than some others.
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