This would be a great thought experiment to run over multiple years, could really tell you a lot about team drafting and signing. Go back like 10 years and see what teams looked like over time.
Cool video, It’d be pretty cool to see this season too, as an Astros fan, I’ve known for a while now how much talent has come from our system, but didn’t think it was so much more then other teams.
The Astros deserve credit for tanking successfully. Many teams that tank do not get as much for doing so. However I wonder if confining this kind of study to a single year just reveals who picked at the top of the draft for some number of consecutive years about 10 years ago.
I don't know how much it came into play (all of the team examples you showed seemed to have RP in RP slots), but moving a SP into an RP slot would give the pitchers extra WAR, unless you scaled the 150 IP down to 70IP or so and this was a rule you neglected to mention.
It didn't really come into play all that much (no team is putting up more than 5 2+ WAR starting pitchers)... and most starting pitchers aren't putting in a full 32 starts, so treating a 6th player as a 6th starter that puts in 15-20 starts and 1-2 WAR isn't that unrealistic.
It would be really cool if you could find like a way to take teams best players ever that they drafted and then have some way to calculate what that teams wins would be based of players career war
@@niclazzari2309 yeah some players and some coaches started using the video room to steal signs… 1. He was not the mastermind behind it nor was he said to be involved in it in anyway really (although he definitely should have known or probably did know about it) 2. He served his time. As an Astros fan I was critical of Luhnow when the story broke, and I felt Crane really had no choice but to fire him. He was the GM and if he knew about it he should have stopped it and if he didn’t know about it that was just as much of a problem in my eyes. That all being said I was sure he would get another job somewhere and start building another winner. Personally I think it’s a shame, there are so many bad GMs out there that it’s kind of crazy to me one of the best of this generation is out of the game.
The problem is this doesn’t consider that the some teams wouldn’t have been able to draft certain players if not for trading away other players to acquire that draft pick.
It'd be cool to see from the beginning of free agency. I'd imagine it'd be such a time consuming thing to do. No pressure to make it happen. Just throwing it out there!
There is a rule in Australian Rules Football that allows a team to have preferred access to draft a prospect it that prospects father played a certain amount of games for that team. It is unsurprisingly called the "Father-Son Rule" and I've often thought it would be great for baseball. The rule usually states that a player must've played 100 games for their son to be eligible. That amounts to about 4 1/2 seasons so for baseball the threshold could be around 750 games. It would have made this year's draft very interesting with Jones and Holiday having the chance to go directly to the Braves and Rockies.
I’ve actually done this in mlb the show 21 I don’t think I completed it in the show 22. But it was very interesting for the amount of players, I started in in 22 I picked certain free agents too and I didn’t do all. For what I did I went to career and where it shows the player started. If a player like tatis or gleyber Torres who got drafted by the white Sox and cubs i put them there only cuz I know they got drafted there and if they stayed they would’ve played for that team. I don’t think I put the roster in franchise mode last year tho I would also have to try to make sure there aren’t any trades in the 1st season
@@BaseballsNotDead not impossible, just loads more work than what its worth really. You could go through every draft and rework it to what was the assumed order people would be picked in and lining that up with the original order of picks. but youd have to go back through like 5 or so years of trades to actually backtrack every pick to the original team and spot
He got drafted to Cleveland first, but didn't sign, so shouldn't that not be a guardians draft pick? If it's based on where they were drafted and not drafted and signed to, then Aaron judge and Mike zunino would be on the A's because he was drafted to the A's, but the A's didn't sign them.
@@BaseballsNotDead no worries, just my favorite team absolutely sucks at drafting, so if I can get any W I can find to make my team marginally better, I'll take it, even though the team would still suck
@@kendallevans4079 well in little league there aren’t that many kids who can hit it to the outfield and fewer of them are left-handed so, yeah that makes sense at that age, but we are talking about the majors. I doubt there are 10 left fielders in the history of baseball over the last 100 years that were better defensive players than their right field teammates.
@@BaseballsNotDead but they’re not equal. Right field is a more demanding position, because right fielders need to have stronger arms than left fielders to prevent runners from going 1st to 3rd on a single. Do you know what you call a right fielder with great speed? A center fielder. Do you know what you call a center fielder with a bad arm? A left fielder .
Idk if I’m high as shit but I thought this was gonna be players from the last 15 years going back to their original team that drafted them / debuted with .. but Aigh I don’t understand what this video was about 🤦🏽♂️
i don't need to watch the video to tell you the tigers would be horrific
It doesn't help that he forgot that Justin Verlander existed also Manning got screwed by the WAR count
Lmfao
@@waidwml2166 He forgot Porcello too
Yup.
This would be a great thought experiment to run over multiple years, could really tell you a lot about team drafting and signing. Go back like 10 years and see what teams looked like over time.
Great suggestion!
@@BaseballsNotDead Tatis is taking steroids
Amazing to see this after the WS and see the similarities and differences to the actual 2022 season
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Cool video, It’d be pretty cool to see this season too, as an Astros fan, I’ve known for a while now how much talent has come from our system, but didn’t think it was so much more then other teams.
The Astros deserve credit for tanking successfully. Many teams that tank do not get as much for doing so. However I wonder if confining this kind of study to a single year just reveals who picked at the top of the draft for some number of consecutive years about 10 years ago.
This is absolutely incredible work.
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as a white sox fan this hurts
I am a white Sox fan also this shows how good we daft though
Never-ending suffering
I don't know how much it came into play (all of the team examples you showed seemed to have RP in RP slots), but moving a SP into an RP slot would give the pitchers extra WAR, unless you scaled the 150 IP down to 70IP or so and this was a rule you neglected to mention.
It didn't really come into play all that much (no team is putting up more than 5 2+ WAR starting pitchers)... and most starting pitchers aren't putting in a full 32 starts, so treating a 6th player as a 6th starter that puts in 15-20 starts and 1-2 WAR isn't that unrealistic.
It would be really cool if you could find like a way to take teams best players ever that they drafted and then have some way to calculate what that teams wins would be based of players career war
Man I'm glad I found this channel today
Watching this just shows how much of a crime it is that Jeff Luhnow isn’t in baseball at the moment… the man has an incredible eye for talent.
I wish Crane didn't burn his bridges with Luhnow because outside of that there's nothing stopping him from coming back.
You do know what happened when was GM, right?
@@niclazzari2309 yeah some players and some coaches started using the video room to steal signs…
1. He was not the mastermind behind it nor was he said to be involved in it in anyway really (although he definitely should have known or probably did know about it)
2. He served his time.
As an Astros fan I was critical of Luhnow when the story broke, and I felt Crane really had no choice but to fire him. He was the GM and if he knew about it he should have stopped it and if he didn’t know about it that was just as much of a problem in my eyes. That all being said I was sure he would get another job somewhere and start building another winner. Personally I think it’s a shame, there are so many bad GMs out there that it’s kind of crazy to me one of the best of this generation is out of the game.
Sick video. Thorough enjoyment.
Appreciate it!
Man great video!
The problem is this doesn’t consider that the some teams wouldn’t have been able to draft certain players if not for trading away other players to acquire that draft pick.
This should really be it’s own series
Very interesting work, thank you :D
Thank you! Cheers!
It'd be cool to see from the beginning of free agency. I'd imagine it'd be such a time consuming thing to do. No pressure to make it happen. Just throwing it out there!
There is a rule in Australian Rules Football that allows a team to have preferred access to draft a prospect it that prospects father played a certain amount of games for that team. It is unsurprisingly called the "Father-Son Rule" and I've often thought it would be great for baseball. The rule usually states that a player must've played 100 games for their son to be eligible. That amounts to about 4 1/2 seasons so for baseball the threshold could be around 750 games. It would have made this year's draft very interesting with Jones and Holiday having the chance to go directly to the Braves and Rockies.
Imagine Ken Griffey Jr on the Yankees lmao
I look at this Brewers team and you gotta see how much better all these teams did this year. Like the brewers increase a bit
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my Cubbies probably keep their window open longer if we keep Dylan Cease and maybe Eloy Jimenez
I’ve actually done this in mlb the show 21 I don’t think I completed it in the show 22. But it was very interesting for the amount of players, I started in in 22 I picked certain free agents too and I didn’t do all. For what I did I went to career and where it shows the player started. If a player like tatis or gleyber Torres who got drafted by the white Sox and cubs i put them there only cuz I know they got drafted there and if they stayed they would’ve played for that team. I don’t think I put the roster in franchise mode last year tho I would also have to try to make sure there aren’t any trades in the 1st season
Cool premise.
Thanks!
Dodgers also have dustin may and Tony gonslin
Great video
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Lance lynn, sandy alcantra, zac gallen top 3 for Cardinals...sign me up. Add a healthy jack flaraedy damn thats nasty 😳
Now try and expand this to be all teams history since WAR was created using all players, retired and all.
The Astros cardinals and blue jays being at the top makes sense. Mets being barely ahead of the Braves was shocking. Yankees bottom isn’t a surprise
How did you find a list of every player who played a game in 2021?
Baseball reference. Each team page will have a roster for that season with games played. Then copy and paste into excel.
Gotta update this for 2023!
Love the video but it hurts to see you use sheets
Should use career war
Very cool
I love the irony that the best bullpen is the Blue Jays while it's their bullpen, although I admit vastly different, that got them eliminated...
Machado, Hader, Davies back on the Orioles? Yes please.
but does this include increased draft picks because of trades?
Yes. It's impossible to determine how a draft would shake out without compensation picks. Like, where would I put Mike Trout then?
@@BaseballsNotDead not impossible, just loads more work than what its worth really. You could go through every draft and rework it to what was the assumed order people would be picked in and lining that up with the original order of picks. but youd have to go back through like 5 or so years of trades to actually backtrack every pick to the original team and spot
Let’s go Strooosss
if only the jays could get out of their own way and keep some of those relievers
I thought you didn't like WAR anymore?
Did i see that Alcides Escobar would be the Brewers shortstop?!
Yes?
@@BaseballsNotDead Honestly, it's been so long since I saw him play that I thought he was dead.
2 AL Easts?
Astros are so high because those players are still there and are likely all cheating!
How come max muncy isn't on the A's? The A's drafted him in 2012
Ah, I messed up. I put him on the Guardians even though he didn't sign with them.
He got drafted to Cleveland first, but didn't sign, so shouldn't that not be a guardians draft pick? If it's based on where they were drafted and not drafted and signed to, then Aaron judge and Mike zunino would be on the A's because he was drafted to the A's, but the A's didn't sign them.
@@BaseballsNotDead no worries, just my favorite team absolutely sucks at drafting, so if I can get any W I can find to make my team marginally better, I'll take it, even though the team would still suck
Yankees bullpen is still pretty gross
I have a bad feeling it’s the Nats :(
Did Josh Hader not make the cut for the Astros?
He was traded to the Astros. Originally drafted by Orioles.
Nope.
Weird that you think RF is a step down from LF. I don't think I've ever heard anyone argue that left field is the more demanding position.
I wasn't saying that. Was saying they were equal so can slot a corner outfielder in either.
It is...even in little league you always put the butcher out there
@@kendallevans4079 well in little league there aren’t that many kids who can hit it to the outfield and fewer of them are left-handed so, yeah that makes sense at that age, but we are talking about the majors.
I doubt there are 10 left fielders in the history of baseball over the last 100 years that were better defensive players than their right field teammates.
@@BaseballsNotDead but they’re not equal. Right field is a more demanding position, because right fielders need to have stronger arms than left fielders to prevent runners from going 1st to 3rd on a single.
Do you know what you call a right fielder with great speed? A center fielder.
Do you know what you call a center fielder with a bad arm? A left fielder .
@@CGlied That's subjective. ...and un provable
Of course my tigers are dead last.
Idk if I’m high as shit but I thought this was gonna be players from the last 15 years going back to their original team that drafted them / debuted with .. but Aigh
I don’t understand what this video was about 🤦🏽♂️
Exactly what you just said minus the debut part.
The two AL East’s 😂 2:07
Hahahaha. BlueJays best Bull pen? This year???? Hahahahaha
Technically kris Bryant would be a blue jay they did draft him first
Only counting those that signed... otherwise this gets really messy.
@@BaseballsNotDead wasn’t he one of the worst defensive shortstops last season or two ?
More proof Brian Cashman needs to be fired
Damn. The Tigers still suck
Why would tatis play third 😂
Because Anderson is a better defensive SS.
Wow you talk alot
Only show a few teams. Blocking channel for wasting my time.
The full results are in a link in the description.
assuming their stats would be the same but everything else different is hilariously bad