This 2002 Rainout Transformed the Rays for 2 Decades
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The Tampa Bay Rays are one of the most talked about teams in Major League Baseball. The start of this? A seemingly random and inconsequential rainout almost 20 years ago
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As soon as Chris Archer was mentioned I knew where this trade tree was going. Archer for Meadows, Glasnow, and Baz is the worst fleecing of all time. Baz was even a PTBNL
And then they re-acquired Archer for shits and giggles
Right up there with Jim Fregosi for Nolan Ryan
Butterfly Effect: Bartolo Colon lying about his age to Cleveland, led to the Nats winning the 2019 World Series.
When Cleveland was scouting Colin back in the 90s, Bartolo fudged his age by two yrs to in order to make him more appealing to the team. He would soon become the team's best pitcher. In 02, the then Expos, fearing contraction by MLB, decide to throw caution into the wind and trade their three best prospects (Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee) for Colon. The team would fail to make the postseason and the team would still be alive for a couple more years before moving to DC. And because of those traded prospects, the team was forced to blow up the team not too long after landing in DC, netting them Stephen Strasburg and Anthony Rendon in the draft, two key pieces of the 2019 championship.
Had Colon been upfront about his age, its unlikely tagt Cleveland takes a flyer on him, meaning Montreal does not trade the farm for him, meaning they aren't bad enough by 08-09 to draft those players.
@@richardtherichard26 if they don't trade their best prospects for half a season of Colon, they aren't bad enough between 08-10 to land Rendon or Strasburg.
@@SmoothCriminal12 well it's not as likely at least
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Not Baseball related but when the Buffalo Sabres traded Rick Martin to the LA Kings in 1980 it started an insane Trade Tree that lasts to this day
Hockey has some seriously wack butterfly effects
Oh the trade tree that they give credit to Gretzky? I'm a casual nhl fan so I don't know a lot
@@richardtherichard26 yep. On the sportsnet CZcams channel he has plenty.
@@jbj7599 No Rick Martin fizzled out after he left Buffalo due to concussion issues and wasn’t part of the Gretzky trade
@@thedominatior39 oh shows how little I know lol. I'll have to look into it cuz I've seen a few videos made on the Gretzky tree.
As a Rays fan this video was amazing. Well done
As much as I loved 2015 Archer, any content involving the Archer is awesome to watch as a Rays fan
I was looking at a trade tree and I found something very interesting. Tommy Hanson (Drafted in the 22nd Round in 2005) was connected to the Braves winning the World Series. This is how it was done…
Hanson (Drafted 22nd round , 677 pick), is traded to the Angels in 2012 for Jordan Walden. Then Walden, along side Jason Heyward is traded to the Cardinals for Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins in 2014. Shelby Miller and Gabe Speier were then traded to the Diamondbacks for Ender Inciarte, Aaron Blair and Dansby Swanson. Gabe Soeier also has an interesting trade tree involving, Cameron Maybin, Melvin Upton Jr, and Craig Kimbreal. Going back to the Diamondbacks trade though, you think we would be done, right? Well no. Remember Tyrell Jenkins? Well he is involved in another pivotal trade. Him and Brady Feigl were traded to the Rangers in 2016 for Luke Jackson. That’s all I have. I bet if you did research on players from other teams that impacted these trades, it would make a fun video.
Really impressed with these Butterfly Effect videos. I was thinking about how Pedro Martinez was adamant that the Red Sox sign David Ortiz after he was released, but that's not nearly enough moving parts for your videos.
The Mets signing Tsuyoshi Shinjo in 2000 led to their playoff run in 2015.
In December of 2000, the Mets signed Japanese outfielder Tsuyoshi Shinjo to replace Derek Bell, who had just signed with the Pirates. (On a side note, Bell and Shinjo are both very interesting people, both deserving of their own videos.) Shinjo had a decent year with the Mets and became a fan favorite, but after the season, he was traded along with infielder Desi Relaford to SF in exchange for pitcher Shawn Estes. Estes had a down year in 2002, but had a memorable moment when he threw behind Roger Clemens (in retaliation for Clemens hitting Piazza) and then homered off of Clemens in the same game. The Mets would trade Estes to the Reds in August of 2002. One of the players they received in return was left-handed pitcher Pedro Feliciano. Pedro Feliciano (RIP) would become one of the Mets' most reliable relievers for several years after. After the 2010, he would sign a deal with Yankees. Feliciano would never pitch for the Yankees because of injuries, but because of the deal he signed with the Yankees, the Mets received a compensation draft pick. With that compensation pick, the Mets selected pitcher Michael Fulmer. Fulmer would become one of the Mets' top pitching prospects, and he would be the main piece going to the Tigers in the deal that sent Yoenis Cespedes to the Mets at the 2015 trade deadline. Without acquiring Cespedes, the Mets probably don't go on their playoff run in 2015.
You could even go back further on this, in the Mets not trading for Ken Griffey Jr. The Mets were close to acquiring Griffey before the 2000 season, but Griffey chose the Reds instead. If the Mets had acquired Griffey, they probably never would've signed Shinjo.
I have one that also ties into the Mets 2015 run.
In 2003, The A-Rod for Manny swap also would've sent Jon Lester to Texas in the deal as well. The deal doesn't happen, and Lester becomes a star for Boston. In 2014, he's traded to Oakland for Yoenis Cespedes, who is then traded half a year later to Detroit for Rick Porcello. Another half a year later, Cespedes is traded to the Mets for Fulmer. So if Lester is traded to Texas, the Mets never get Cespedes.
I remember buying Shinjo's Bowman RC from a local card shop.
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Side note: that Delmon Young walk-off bomb video was part of a three-game regular season series where the Rays played at Champion Stadium at the ESPN Wide World of Sports complex in Walt Disney World.
As a rays fan, it's crazy knowing we have 3 elite players all coming from Matt Garza lmao. Great video
Garza was a pretty nasty arm
As a Twins fan, it was cool to see these players doing well, but at the same time it was brutal to see all of the former Twins in this trade tree do better with their other teams
I agree it sucks that we lost them but at least they had decent careers
this has been my favorite butterfly effect. the second i saw Chris Archer, i knew what was next. It's just crazy to see what happened before that trade.
You should do the St. Louis Cardinals hacking the astros giving them draft picks who helped them trade for zack greinke
Do a Butterfly Effect on how Prue Halliwell getting killed off in S3 of Charmed led to the Mets drafting Jacob deGrom.
YESSSS! And nobody talks about it 😒
This is utterly fascinating, thanks SRS!
love these videos. gonna need a LOT more in the near future.....at least we will have minor league games.....
This video is epic man do more of these
I was watching this video and I recognized your voice on Sports storm, i was a little confused but I didn’t think too much of it because I don’t watch this channel as much as sports storm, but that was a great video nonetheless
Was very much expecting the Deleon Young throwing a bat at an umpire incident to get brought up here. Alas, great video!
Real interesting stuff. I’d like to see something similar about the Phillies. I don’t know about what exactly, but something Phillies-related would be cool. Keep up the great content.
Fantastic video! Go Rays!
You know I love some Devil Rays content, some Hal McRae magic in 02 baby
Love these type of vids
The Atlanta Braves trading their only good pitcher at the time, Shelby Miller, for Dansby Swanson.
This made so many Braves fans mad, but now they a have a World Series ring!
Holy crap! Butterfly Effect! I've mentioned the Joe Mauer one before and how little things led to the Twins getting their hometown boy and how huge that was and unlikely followed by his amazing career there. BUT at 3:38 in this video it shows how the Twins likely may not have gotten him if the Cubs were able to select first! This has to have some merit to it deserving a video!!! PLEASE!
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0:38 Hey there I am
Thanks for this suggestion my dude. Rays Up!
The Rays know how to trade. That Archer haul is nuts. It would be infuriating being a Rays fan. Luckily nobody is.
Here's one involving the TB Rays. Carl Crawford is the reason for the short wall exists in left field that directly led to Longo's game 162 HR. Not to mention all the drama that final day with Boston and Atlanta.
A fun postscript to this is that the guy the Twins used to trade for Jason Bartlett in the first place, OF Brian Buchanan, was part of the package they got from the Yankees for Chuck Knoblauch, who as we all know is one of baseball's most well known victims of 'the yips'. So in a way, the Yankees helped get the Rays to where they are today, thanks for that.
The Rays in general are such an oddly lucky franchise. They have almost no business existing and yet they keep hangin around and occasionally winning the AL East and AL
A fascinating side note on this is that the Rays almost didn't wind up with Chris Archer, as they were given the option between him and the Cubs other top pitching prospect at the time, Trey McNutt, and IIRC it was a lengthy decision for them to determine which one to take in the Garza deal. McNutt never was able to put up results past A ball, as he posted a 4.53 ERA in AA, and a 4.99 in his lone season up at AAA.
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I will always show up to watch a video that mentions the 2002 Angels (even if only briefly).
Great, fun video!
Am a Rays fan, and this is really something.
Great Video!
Man, this is truly something. An circumstance that can decide the course of history.
How Grady Little's managing blunder won the Cubs their first World Series in 108 years
In Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, the Red Sox led the Yankees 5-2 entering the 8th inning and were on the doorstep of the fall classic, needing only 5 outs to clinch their first pennant since 1986 with Pedro Martinez on the mound. The Yankees began to rally with 1 out in the 8th, started by a Derek Jeter double to right. Jeter eventually came home on a Bernie Williams single to make it 5-3. Grady Little jogged out to the mound to check on a tiring Martinez, who told him he could get the next batter, Hidecki Matsui out. Matsui doubled and moved Williams to 3rd, and Jorge Posada blooped a 2-run single to center to tie the game up at 5-5 and send Yankee Stadium into a state of delirium. Martinez was removed, Aaron Boone went boom in the 11th, and that was that. The Red Sox had lost again.
Following the conclusion of the ALCS, Little was scorched by the Boston media and the Red Sox fans for leaving a clearly tired Pedro in the game too long, and ultimately lost his job just days later due to his mistake. The Red Sox, run then by a young Theo Epstein, were still reeling from their crushing ALCS loss but looked for ways to get better and improve their 95-win team in the offseason in their quest to unseat the Yankees from atop the AL.
The Yankees, meanwhile, lost the World Series at home in 6 games to the Florida Marlins, leaving George Steinbrenner steaming and irate, as he demanded better from the team and the front office heading into 2004, since it had now been 3 full seasons since the Yankees won it all in 2000 over the Mets.
The Red Sox got to work immediately that offseason, engaging in trade talks with the Texas Rangers about reigning AL MVP 3rd baseman Alex Rodriguez who had been seeking a trade to a number of teams, the Yankees and Red Sox each being teams he would approve a trade too.
As the talks accelerated, the Red Sox put together a deal that included starting pitching prospect Jon Lester and other players that would be sent to the Rangers in exchange for A-Rod. A-Rod had to take a slight pay decrease for the deal to fit into the Red Sox budget effectively. The deal was agreed to, and all that needed to happen was for the MLB Players Association to approve the trade.
But they didn't. On December 17th, the Players ruled that the trade was no good because A-Rod, then the best player in baseball, taking a pay decrease the size that the Sox had arranged would be a bad look for the Union and would set a precedent they didn't want going forward. The deal died, A-Rod wasn't going to Boston, and, more importantly, Jon Lester was staying in the Red Sox system.
A few weeks later, ALCS hero Aaron Boone blew out his knee playing pickup basketball, which voided his contract and left the Yankees looking for a 3rd baseman. They got together with the Rangers at the last minute after a failed trade for Adrian Beltre with the Dodgers, and A-Rod became a Yankee.
Jon Lester would not come up for the Red Sox until 2006, but played a huge role for them in the 2007 season, in which they won the World Series for the second time in 4 years after winning it all for the first time in 86 years in 2004. Lester went on to become a top starter for the Red Sox for the next several years and was apart of their 2013 championship team as well. He was a bonafide ace.
In 2014, however, as the reigning World Champs, Boston was struggling mightily and shipped Lester off to the Oakland A's at the deadline who were in a tight race in the AL West. Lester started the AL Wildcard game for the A's who lost in soul-crushing fashion to the Royals. Lester entered free agency as the top starting pitcher on the market.
Theo Epstein, who had built the Red Sox two World Championship teams of the 2000's, had been in Chicago for 4 years by the time 2014 ended, and had amassed a promising young core in the minor leagues with stars like Kris Bryant and Kyle Schwarber and already had productive pieces in place like first baseman Anthony Rizzo. The Cubs were ready to make the jump from rebuilding to contention, but needed one big piece to help. Epstein was keen on Lester, having seen him develop in Boston and become a star player on the mound, and won the bidding war for Lester, overcoming teams like the reigning champion San Francisco Giants to ink the star southpaw to a 6-year, $155 million deal.
The Cubs would win 97 games that season and advance to the NLCS for the first time since 2003 with Lester. The next season, Lester posted the best stats of his career, winning 19 games with a 2.94 ERA to lift the Cubs to a 103-58 record, the best in baseball. Lester was a unbelievably critical piece in the Cubs' 2016 World Series run, winning Game 1 of the NLDS against the Giants 1-0, winning co-NLCS MVP with Javier Baez, delivering a win in Game 5 of the World Series with the Cubs against the wall at home down 3-1 in the series, and delivered a clutch relief appearance in Game 7 in Cleveland to help the Cubs to their first championship in 108 seasons.
Had Grady Little taken out Pedro when he should've, the Red Sox probably go to the World Series and don't try to trade for A-Rod. Had the Red Sox traded Lester in the deal for Rodriguez, the story is very different and the Cubs don't get their ace in 2015 that would help carry them to their long-awaited title.
Fascinating.
Have you done Greinke after Royals?
Cool trade tree. I didn’t know that the pirates worst trade ever was involved in it
You should visit the Griffey trade tree it's pretty interesting, and lasted until relatively recently.
As soon as you said Delmon young I watched just to see his double in the playoffs with the birds
Your next butterfly effect video should be about how the dudes called Texas A&M’s bullpen and hot Minter up and ready.
the high amount of uncertainty in the acquisition of younger players can cause absolutely crazy ripple effects and that is one reason why sports are so interesting
The Red Sox trading Nomar Garciaparra, getting Ellsbury with comp pick, then losing him, getting Kopech with that comp pick, and then trading him for Chris sale
Mark Fidrych, 1977, Spring Training. Falls off a fence, blows his rotator cuff. Leads to the 1987 trade that leads to the Braves dominating the 90s as well as the Tigers losing 119 games in 2003, which lead to them drafting Verlander, which leads to the insane comeback in 2006, causing owner Mike Ilitch to throw tons of money at the team before GM Dave Dombrowski inexplicably blows up the team as shown by Secret Base recently.
I've mentioned this FORTY-FIVE YEAR LONG chain of events before.
don’t forget about young coming back to the rays in 2013 and helping them win the wild card game vs cleveland.
An interesting and short butterfly effect video would be how the Giants losing in the 2002 World Series eventually led to the rule change prohibiting catchers from blocking the plate while not making a play.
TB development is second to none. To compete every year with the dismal payroll they put up, it's almost inarguable. RAYS UP!
Butterfly effect scenario: The hiring of Twins manager Tom Kelly (for the last 23 games of the 1986 season) would save the Seattle Mariners from relocating to St. Petersburg (no joke).
I mean you could do most of the rays trades for trade trees cuz they are so lopsided and it’s hillarious
Go Rays!!!!
I keep trying to find one of these scenarios for the Mariners but can’t find any 😭
And funny enough 1 month after this video Meadows has now been traded for Paredes and 2022 draft pick that ended up as Chandler Simpson. Now Meadows has dealt with some injuries while Paredes his 20+ homers last year and expecting to have a breakout season for us this year. Just insane.
Any player can technically be intertwined with another one if ya look hard and long enough.
I won't stop asking till you do a video on the 07 collapse of the Mets/Phillies coming alive with 14 left to win the east. :)
I need an update in a few years with austin meadows to the tigs.
Damn, I love baseball.
IIRC, makeup games to determine seeding among division champs weren't played until the mid-2010s.
Rays up!
Original quote: "Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water. The other third is covered by Garry Maddox " ~ Ralph Kiner
Hey the day of the rain out was the day I was born!!!
You should do the Mariners trading Veritek and Lowe to the Red Sox, and the Yankees trading Jay Buhner to the Mariners.
Jerry Dipoto probably built a trade forest with the Mariners
And Austin meadows has been traded to the tigers, the trade tree is still going.
Kyle Funkhouser'a decision to play his senior season at Louisville led to the Dodgers winning the 2020 World Series
Dbacks trading Max Scherzer away deserves a look into
I have a suggestion. How about one on the Giants near move to St Pete?
Butterfly effect idea: the Oilers moving Tennessee led to the Russell Wilson to Denver trade (basically it’s assuming Seattle wouldn’t trade him in-division)
When you try to suggest a butterfly effect but you can’t think of anything
Can you do the really famous one about how Joe Carter's home run led to Kirby Puckett's glaucoma? Thanks.
As a twins fan I liked Young but hated that we gave up Garza.
Zack Grenkies requesting a trade, led to the Royals 2015 WS
Satire inspired by Butterfly Effect videos:
How Delmon Young being an overall #1 MLB draft pick produced the 2021 Heisman Trophy winner.
In 2010, the Washington Nationals had the 1st overall pick and chose an outfielder from a Nevada junior college.
In 2013, Delmon Young played part of the season with the Phillies, for whom he hit 8 homers.
In 2019, that outfielder chosen in 2010 by Washington, Bryce Harper, became a free agent and signed with the Phillies. He has hit a bunch of homers for his new team since then.
Delmon Young and Bryce Harper are so far the only players to fit the criteria of 1st overall pick by a team other than the Phillies (eliminating Pat Burrell and Mickey Moniak) who eventually played for them and homered while with the team (eliminating Bill Almon and "Not That" Dave Roberts, who hit zero for the team).
So that's how Delmon Harper won the 2021 Heisman Trophy. (I don't follow college football, so I may have gotten his name wrong.)
Remember, the above is satire (and I do know the Heisman winner's correct name).
Imagined if it snowed...
Dude, do you also run the CZcams account that covers fast food chains success/failure? It’s uncanny
There was a trade from the 60’s or something that lead to the Mets getting David Wright
>Chris Archer
[SCREAMS IN PITTSBURGH]
This video just backs up my belief that my team should never, under any circumstances, trade minor leaguers to the Rays
You should cover the Miguel Cabrera trade
Great video! Also points out the cubs futility before the Epstein era
If your a GM and the rays have a trade proposal that includes a pitcher, hang up.
The rays always win every trade that involves a pitcher.
You did kinda leave out the fact that Glasnow was a big part as to why the Rays went to the World Series in 2020.
Kent Bottenfeild trade tree from the Cards to the Angels
Edmonds has incredible career for Cardinals, then is traded for David Freese....who ended up doing something fairly big for the Cardinals as well.
A few years down the line, we’re gonna see Glasnow and/or Baz get traded for multiple good prospects like Garza and Archer before them, and the cycle will continue.
This video reminds me of the idea the the 1970 Buffalo Bills losing a game on a bad pass. This loss gave them the 1st round pick where they chose OJ Simpson and met his wife. He killed his wife and the Kardashians ended up gettng famous because of it. Basically that one bad pass might've allowed OJ to kill his wife he wouldn't have met otherwise and allowing the Kardashians to become famous.
Slocom for Lowe and Veritek
This isn't baseball but I would like to see a butterfly effect that tim Tebow being drafted by the broncos help them win a superbowl
The MLB draft 1st overall rule is really dumb at the same time I assume that it suppose to reduce long-term tanking.
Here after Austin Meadows is a Detroit Tiger
Mark Texiera to Atlanta ended up with Rangers in two World Series,
And the Yankees winning their last.
As well as got the Angels Mike Trout (since the Braves ended up trading Tex to LA the following season, and one of the picks they got from him leaving was used to draft Trout). Trading for Mark Teixeira turned out to be a pretty good thing to do.
giants trade tree. when the rays picked tim beckham jr. it lead the giants to getting buster posey:
Butterfly Effect: Billy Beane turning down a job with the Red Sox, who proceed to hire Theo Epstein instead. How different is the last 20 years of baseball of Theo doesn't get hired?
Ironic that delmon young ended up in detroit anyway lol.
Miguel Cabrera never getting traded to detroit tigers
What would've happened if the Red Sox didn't win game 4 of the 2004 ALCS. OR even what would've happened if the Red Sox had WON the 2003 ALCS and Aaron Boone had never hit that shot off of Wakefield.
What would've happened if the twins had kept David Ortiz?
Or what would've happened if Griffey Jr. And A-Rod and Randy Johnson STAYED in Seattle.
What would've happened if the cubs DIDNT win the 2016 WS? OR HAD won that NLCS against the Marlins and gone on to win the WS....
What would've happened if Bill Buckner stopped that ball and made the out at first?
What would've happened if Dennis Eckersley stayed a starter for his entire career?
What would've happened in Greg Maddox stayed a Cub?
What if... The blue jays don't trade syndergaard and d'arnaud for RA Dickey?
Oscar Taveras 😔
Welp lol. It happened, meadows traded.