Broken Timing Chain BMW M57 E63 635d
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2020
- Today we going to work on this BMW E63 635d with the M57 ( legendary ) diesel engine . The complain is crank but no start . After some quick checks , we saw a major engine failure . The timing chain on this good old M57 was snapped / broke down . Many people asking me about this engines M57 / M47 , is the timing chain reliable . That is why I decided to do this video , to answer to all of you .
Part 1 Of Rebuilding The Engine : • BMW M57 Engine Rebuild...
Part 2 Crankshaft + Piston Rings Assembly : • BMW M57 Engine Rebuild...
Part 3 Installing The Cylinder Head + Big End Bearings : • BMW M57 Installing The...
Part 4 Bended Camshafts : • BMW M57 Bended Camshafts
Part 5 Timing Chain Assembly Procedure : • BMW M57 Timing Chain A...
Part 6 Oil Pan, Crankshaft Seal, Oil Cooler, Vacuum Pump Assembly : • BMW M57 Oil Pan, Crank...
Part 7 Fuel Injectors + Turbo Chargers Installation : • BMW M57 Fuel Injectors...
Part 8 First Start After the Overhaul : • First Start After Over...
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Bravo 👏 i need a mechanic like you for my 535D had the same problem and a mechanic here fixed mounting it back with the bended and out of phase camshafts...
Good detailed video as always 👌👌
Преди 1 час направих същата диагностика на един приятел на E60 530xd и сега виждам видеото и направо го ориентирах за основен ремонт. На ISTA дава само грешка camshaft sensor, но като свалих сензора със закачена буска и измерих напрежението на сигнала си беше 5 волта. Като доближих гаечен ключ до сензора ставаше на 0 волта, тоест перфектен сензор. След това завъртяхме на стартер и видяхме, че смукателния вал не върти. Много полезно видео и сериа от видеа по темата. Браво за труда!
Really enjoying your vids mate!! Very well presented!!
Thanks Jigsa
Nice work, I'm waiting for the rest of the video
Amazing woork! You should come to Norway for that kind of woork👌
my 530d m57 tu2 is at 310 000 km.. same chain, but is going to change it soon. good videos!
@CRANK Great videos. I love M57N2 content. I watched them all and now I do my maintenance more in detail but since I do that on my last oil change I found some small particles of aluminium and 3 small shavings in the oil filter. Engine runs as it should pulls fine starts fine no problem. Since it has 210k km would that be the case that chain is rubbing in the timing case and produce that debris in oil filter? I can't hear any knock hot or cold idle or high revs. E70 2009 m57n2 single turbo. Many thanks
Bravo Bravo Crank!! excellent video...seems to me previous owner may have missed a few services...shame shame shame..but lets face the truth Crank..the more bad owners,the more work for you and good videos for us to see...keep them coming mate!!
Thanks Peter ! I'm trying to warn everyone about this problem , but they seem to believe that this cant happen to them
@@crank3646 some people are beyond help just hope they have fat wallets,it always happens to them but they tend to blame something else instead of their own arrogance to learn..cheers mate
Very informative
you are doing a great job
Thanks !
Decent video. Браво :)
Hello!I have an M57 and I love to watch your videos stripping out the engine and explaining step by step,I learn a lot!
I have a question:Is it possible to bent a connecting rod in a case like this?
Thanks a lot,keep up!!
Yes it is , but it is really rarely . 90% of the time the valves bends , because they are much weaker than the connection rod . Either way , if you have bended rod most of the time , the piston will have some damage too .
How many km's? Your videos have helped me allot. Just replaced a piston in my north american 335d. Couldn't have done it myself in times like these if not for great people like you. Cheers from Canada
Thanks ! If I need to believe on the odometer its on ~ 110k miles
@@crank3646 hello mate i have the same car with 170k mls what i have To be careful for this car im new owner thank you
keep up with this great videos
Haven't heard that the chain should fail after 200K km on M57. I have a M57TU2 3.0 with 197 HP from 2007 that has run 354.000 km and the timing chains have never been changed. I have owned the car for the last 6 ½ year driving more than 160.000 km myself. Of course I service and repair this car myself meticulously, which is probably the reason I have not had issues. The N47 2.0 should be more prone to this issue.
Depends on many things . But yes , 99% of the time , the chain should last at least 200k km
@@crank3646 How much do you think the total cost for this work will be for the owner? I may decide to take my next vacation in Bulgaria so I can come by your garage when I need an engine rebuild :-)
Many pro mechanic told me it was more on original engine untouched, not for them with stage 1 or 2
Because of pressure and oil level not always respected
Nice engine to work, lots of work though....
At last. A proper mechanic
Thanks for the upload, I can't watch it properly but just having a flick through it looks quite detailed. Can't believe the M57 had a broken timing chain though, that's pretty bad luck as it's not common for these engines to break timing chains or possibly lack of service history contributed?..
No previous history of the car . But interestingly enough , the engine was pretty clean from inside . Which is not the case in 90% of the time , with 30k service intervals .
@@crank3646 Yeah, those camshafts looked a lot better than mine haha. Just curious as well, is it not a possibility to buy another used bare engine block?
Will look forward to the coming videos, have you got thoughts on what you might show on the re-assembly? Would be good to see the timing done because a lot of videos already have the camshafts locked into place whereas you'll have to time the bottom and top from scratch.
@@mrsweete9065 I have a video with removed camshafts , on which i'm showing the timing procedure
@@crank3646 you do yes, sorry I didn't realise. And the E60 LCI has the same install procedure as the PRE-LCI?
@@mrsweete9065 It is pretty much the same , with really small differences .
Great video! I have got a M51 engine in my E34. I would like to change my timing chain, because I do not know obviously the service history for the last 20 years... Do you recommend changing sprockets as well, arent you? And what is the right quality set? I could only find HEPU set which has also sprockets, but I do not know if I can trust this brand. I would prefere INA or Febi, but they do not sell the sprockets and I can not find the sprockets anywhere for sale only in that HEPU set. Thanks for answer!
Thanks ! Yes it is good idea to change the sprockets . HEPU is good quality brand , which we use a lot
Great video. Looks like cast iron liners in the block. How many km. Before the timing chain should be changed on the M57 engine?
250k
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I have a 2010 635d with 67000 miles when should i replace the chain
Hi
Yes when you hear the engine cranking, it gives an impression that the timing chain is good!
Nice video. Keep it up
Гледам видеото и плача 😅... преди две седмици ме споходи този късмет на 231 коня мотора. Браво за клиповете и старанието!
Кофти тръпка :D Надявам се , да си спасил положението с по-малко щети
530д Е60 2006-та ли? Моята я взех преди 1 седмица и се чудя дали да ги сменя тъй като е на 320к км.Не са сменяни досега.А ми казват,че за този мотор не се сменяли..какво да правя
@@user-ti6rh3mr2q сменяй задължително. В единия случай си 1500-200лв минус, а в другия … чакай че още ми се плаче .. 😂 към 4000 в зависимост от това колко щети направи при късането.
@@user-ti6rh3mr2q на 218 не ги сменят, там са по-безпроблемни.. така де @crank да каже по-професионално но аз така знам.
@@kaloyanduchev6199 Ужас,при първа възможност ще ги сменя
Is not the firts time that i see broken chains on m57tu2, m57tu i never see, but on the m57tu2 i see probably around 3 ou 4 cars with broken chain
What is the production year and month of that BMW ? Because it seems that the problem with timing chain was only before 2008/03.
It is 2007 if I believe right. Still we have fails like this with newer than 2008 cars, so I doubt. And actually it is not a problem, it is something that it needs to be done on every 200k kms, nothing crazy
Здравей, много полезни видеа правиш! Един въпрос: Имам М57Н2 в е90 231кс на задно... Възможно ли е да сменя само горните 2 вериги, водачи и обтегача, без веригата на маслената помпа, защото не ми се иска да свалям картера? Мерси.
Може, но въпреки това пак е препоръчително да свалиш картера, защото ще ти е доста трудно да махнеш капака на ангренажа и да го монтираш обратно после.
So.. when does the timing chain need replacement on m57d25tu ?
Every 100k km
Crank супер видео аз също съм с М57
Малък разумен,че тоя английски...
Колата на колко километра е? Гледам впускния колектор всичко си р ОК
И проблема какъв е? Къса верига на маслената помпа? Поврежда рокерите на разпределителните валове.
Къкво решение предписваш на клиента..., тоест ще се шлифоват ли цилиндрите и нови бутала?
Лоша работа успех
Около 170к км . Къса веригата между колянов вал и ГНП-то . Както споменах един хонинг на цилиндрите и нови сегменти и ще векува :D
Great video as usual, now i'm getting paranoid with my E60 with M57 engine ! Is it possible to change the timing chain ,guides and tensionner without removing the head gasket ?
Yes
Yes , just follow some of my older videos .
I changed chains on my m57.
#CRANK videos helped me
@@crank3646 Thanks ! Last questions, is it possible to remove the lower chain without removing the diesel pressure pump sprocket ? and with an automatic gear box 6h19 will the screwdriver trick near the shifter be ok to move the crankshaft to TDC ? Thanks and geep the good work :)
@@MickNavarro You need to remove the HPFP sprocket , the chain is not so long , to give you enough room
how many kilometers?
Супер интересно! Имам X3 3.0 D 218 2007. Мотора е с пиезо дюзи и алуминиев блок, което ме кара да мисля,че не е толкова здрав като по старите 218-ки с нормални дюзи и чугунения блок.
Какви са твоите наблюдения, късат ли вериги тези мотори(като моя) и оправдана ли е инвестицията за превантивна смяна на вериги, биелни, основни лагери, маслена помпа и т.н?
Ще съм много благодарен ако ми отговорите.
Поздрави!
Чугуни алумини всичко къса вериги . Това е консуматив който се сменя след 200к км , който не иска си поема риска . Те M51 90-те години моторите , който са кажи речи същите като M57 късат , пък какво да говорим за новите . Оправдана е ако мислите да карате автомобила още някоя друга година .
Hello from New Zealand! Love the videos, I am a mechanic over here and recently replaced the timing chains and guides on an E66 730LD very easily after watching several of your videos. I have also just bought a 2009 E70 with the twin turbo M57D30. It has an engine knock at idle and is a little noisy when under load, but the noise goes away completely when coasting/decelerating. I put it on the hoist and it sounds like it's coming from the bottom end but haven't confirmed this yet. Do you know if I can remove the sump on the E70 to check the rod and main bearings without removing the engine? Is it possible this could be injector noise as it goes away when the engine is decelerating? Thanks in advance
Hello Antaris !
It is always a good idea to check the quality of your injectors , when you buy a car like this . Yes you can see the condition of the conrod and main bearings without removing the engine . You need to remove the oil pan + the oil pump . Probably only the last main bearing will be little bit tricky because the bolts are little bit close to the cap of the rear crankshaft seal .
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What a bummer guys. Up till now, I can't device why BMW didn't use a decent chain in some engines. Some say for after-sale. But in my opinion they are destroying their reputation this way. But some other brands, like VAG group, acting the same way. My question, for a long time is; what price difference exists between a good and a bad timing chain? For after-sales purposes, you can put other less disastrous bad parts in a car......Dutch regards, Nico.
Actually this is very smart move , from financial point of view . That is why there is no more life time timing chains on any brand or model , like before
Are you in the UK?
Здравей, има ли начин да се свържа с теб за да те попитам за няколко неща относно 535д? Благодаря предварително!
Здравейте! Под всяко клипче има координати за връзка
Hi. I have an e60 with the m57 Engine. What would be the signs of a failing timing chain or tensioner? Thank you! BTW you have grate informative videos. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Familiarise yourself with the sound of a loose timing chain, we're lucky that on the M57 engine that the chain is at the front of the engine so you have a good opportunity to hear it. However, realistically speaking you typically know only when it's too late. The chain can literally just snap and the damage will be done so fast. If your lucky it might slack and you'll hear it, or very rare but it may get slack and skip a tooth slightly making this out of time.. Keep up oil changes about every 6k and you have a descent chance at it lasting.
No signs 99% of the time . It just fails , when you get close to 200k km , it is good idea to just change it or live on the edge :D
@@crank3646 haha, yeah perfect time of year for the dashboard to "light up like a Christmas tree" I'll definitely do mine soon as I'm on 160,000 miles (257,000km) 💪
@@crank3646 Thank you for the reply. My engine is on 162k miles so it might be the time to change the timing chain. Thank you much appreciated !
@@crank3646 Do you recommend any specific brand for the timing chain? What would recommend from your experience ?
How much did it cost ?
Didn’t know the M57 had this issue. I knew the N57 had this issue.
wow. how much cost this repair? will it drive as before? probably not, right?
A lot :D It is going to run like before ofc , why not ?
Hello, first of all, in my expirience the M57 is a very reliable beast. But only if serviced very strictly and on time. In my opinion failed timing chains mostly are a sign of neglected engine service. Another indication is a leaky engine. If oil isnt changed for a long period, oil pressure can be to high, causing gaskets to fail.
The most important thing to improve engine life (including timing chain of course) is regular engine oil service at least every 15000 km. The original intervals are way too long because the specs for LL04 today require very thin oil. Also the additives usually become already quite used up in that range, of course this depends on your driving profile. That in combination can be fatal, because when oil is getting near its end, engine wear goes up dramatically. As for BMW, engines failing after a couple of years or above 100k km is no big deal to them, as this is no longer covered in their warranty. If the services are being not taken seriously and the oil is even longer in there than the original 30k km then that is superbad for engine wear.
Long service intervals have been introduced mainly are because of business fleet service cars. If companies can save money because of longer service intervals, they are more likely to buy them for their fleets. Of course they change out these cars at regular intervals, so they will never suffer the backlash of this policy.
Another big aspect: Fuel quality and regular change of fuel filter. The high pressure pump in the center of the engine is lubricated by diesel. If the fuel quality is bad and/or the diesel filter is not exchanged regularly, they may fail and so the chain breaks as the fuel pump is stuck and the engine tries to rotate further.
My M57 now has about 300k km on it. Still first chain and no issues whatsoever. The previous owners serviced the car strictly and so did i. I even halved oil change intervals to 15k km, because of what i said earlier. Also i use oil that is not officially listed as LL04 but is perfectly suitable for my style of driving and this particular engine. I do not recommend this in general, because you need to know what you are doing then.
Hope this is helpful to other M57 owners.
Yes you are right. The biggest issue is the service intervals, which I have talked on most of my videos. About the OEM oils, it seems that something got wrong with them. I don't know is bad timing or not, but owners that want their cars to be serviced with it, have issues with their engines after that. I have client that have bought brand new BMW and all the services are made with different than OEM oil (not going to say which one), and the car is running strong after 200k kms, while others have major engine failures.
About the HPFP on M57, they fail really rarely, you need to really abuse your car with strange fuel to make it fail. Most of the time they start to leak, but mechanically they last forever.
@@crank3646 In some countries, diesel is required to contain up to 5% Biodiesel. This is probably the main reason for fuel pumps seizing. They can really clog up with residue sometimes. I've not seen this in BMW engines so far, but in VW Diesel engines. Oil is mainly now very thin because of emission regulations. Engines are supposed to run at high efficiency and very clean, this requires basically for thin and low saps oil. You can go for mid or high saps oil, but i recommend getting rid of particulate filter then, because it would clog up very fast. Also EGR and other things that are bad for engine life. At least, EGR rate can be set very low via BMW diagnose software, for countries with legal issues about this. (e.g. german TÜV)
How many valves did you found bent? Is it car back to life now?
4 valves. Just watch my newer videos and you will see the progress
@@crank3646 I found them. You doing great job. I've asked for valves because I'm working on same engine right now with almost same damage. Did you have any loose or snapped bolts on bearing caps? Because I can't see it on video
@@electricmarket Yes, there were a lot of loose camshaft caps bolts. This is normal.
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Memories right :D
@@crank3646 yes,,bitter and sweet at the same time😂
Колко излиза като цена целият ремонт ?
Здравейте бих искал да Ви попитат един въпрос относно веригата?
Аз имам е46 330хд на около 223,000км
Та въпросът ми е как може да разберем, че веригата е за смяна, какви признаци има
Здравейте! Няма признаци, просто се къса
@@crank3646 Ами горе-долу на колко км трябва да се смени, защото съм нов в тези работи и не съм запознат
@@Stoimen На около 200к км
@@crank3646 тоест скоро трябва да я сменям
is it possible on this engine just change 1 long timing chain from top of engine ? I think 2 small chains don't break often... I cannot raise the car. my engine has 240k...
It is ofc , but it is not worth it . You need to remove the timing chain cover to do it , in this situation it is going to be pretty easy to change both ones ( especially if you keep in mind , most of the time , the lower timing chain fails )
crank here is idea for you. if you create full step by step videos of your repair, with no cuts needed, you can make these videos private and sell the enter code. if you price those videos repair cheap 5-10 eur,, you can have lot of views, because these cars break all the time..haha
Каде ти се намира сервиза дай координати прати номер за връзка
Имам 330 ка XD 204 к.с. С някакво чукане в двигателя идентично с много от чуканията на N 57 от клиповете в юутуп.
That timing chain was just a baby snapping at such low mileage, the M57 chains in a reasonably maintained engine should see 300k miles+ easily and a well maintained engine serviced every 5k miles with quality oil will see the chain outlive the car. Judging by the sludge leaking out the head at 11:37 the previous owner obviously tried to run a champagne car on beer money. I sold my 2004 e46 330d with 290k miles four years ago and it's still going strong. Sorry dude but that poor guy bought this car from a complete idiot.
Имам 330 ка 204 к.с. С някакво чукане в двигателя идентично с чуканията на N 57 качени като клипчета в юутуп.
Why crank it if you suspect the timing chain is broken?!
because its already broken
Мисля, че километража е връщан и не е обслужвана на време.
Фактът, че колектора си е още с вихровите клапи, говори за малък пробег.
Момчета, къде се намирате? Ще се радвам да ви докарам един баварски трактор :D
На източния бряг се намираме. Далечния Бургас
@@crank3646 като стане време за верига ще дойда. Далеко сте, но се възхищавам колко ги чаткате!! Може ли едно телефонче, да си имам?
@@Apocalipaya Виж в описанието на клипчето има линк към фейсбук, там е написано. Не искам да го пиша тука
My 335d has 340.000km and NEVER REPLACED OR HAD PROBLEMS with timing chain...maby someone put a screwdriver inside the engine. I can't understand and won't accept that timing chains on M57 engines just snap all of a sudden.
I'm ok with this theory . After all, that's one of the reasons we have a job :D
It is a good point because the chain is not meant to be "load bearing". The question of why it broke is not answered. It just suggests there something different with this engine or something different happened to it. A post mortem doesn't always give a clear conclusion.
@@jamescaley9942 google "lack of oil changes timing chain" dirty oil and plastic timing chain guides = disaster waiting to happen
All depending how car was servicing and maintenance. If was oil change interval every 20k then chain can fail on 200k...
So - nothing crazy.
уже б на русском говорил бы понятней было))
And probably again a owner who cant affort the maintance for such an car :D typical for balkan
Probably the previous owner . Hopefully the new one , will be capable of maintaining it :)
Talk about yourself, your Balkan mentality and your ability to maintain those kind of cars. The car is not from Balkans, as you can see in the video that this is a vehicle with right-hand drive steering. The vehicle got full service history and barely reached a 100 000 on the clock. It didn’t reach the factory maintenance specification for chains change.
@@nayden1 with the amount of burned oil on that camshaft i'de say more than a few oil changes were skipped. I've seen pristine looking cams on engines with over 100k km that had owners that changed their oil