These YouTubers MESSED UP....
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- The CZcams channel WATCHER announced they were leaving the platform and instead posting on their own streaming service where they will be charging fans to view their content BUT they've since announced they will be reversing their decision after pushback from fans...
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You can take the boys out of BuzzFeed, but you can't take the BuzzFeed out of the boys! 😂
Omg I'm wheezing 😂😂
Haaaaaaa!! 😂
@@johnanhmmiii*wheezes*
Iykyk
This is the one ☝🏻😭😂
These guy's must be surrounded by "yes men" because this idea was so far off from what their audience wants.
I mean, they own the company. So they're kind of at the top of the pyramid.
Ikr like literally nobody asked for this! We were happy when it was just Shane and Ryan sitting at a desk in a dimmed, dusty room
Yea we loved their banter
@@nissan_skylinenot only do they own the company, they filled it with their family and friends. Those are the people who are going to be the most biased in their favor and can’t imagine how things look from an outside perspective.
@@nissan_skylinethey also mentioned that they have investors, so I'm assuming they were doing this to appease them
Honestly we don't need the "Worth it" kind of content in this economic climate. They should promote small and local restaurants like Keith Lee does. Not going to super expensive Michelin-star restaurants to eat everything gold.
yeah i absolutely dont want to watch people go out and eat expensive food all over the world while im struggling to eat chicken nuggets and pay rent.
i miss when it was just two lil weirdos in a basement talking about weird stuff.
I just checked that that show did insanely well on BuzzFeed (given it was like 6 years ago) so I get why they want to remake it. I feel like they will still try to do it just to test the waters. If it does well, they'll continue doing it and vice versa.
Well I saw a comment who sum up really well: it was fun watching 24K gold ice cream on BuzzFeed money, not so much on our money.
Exactly! It’s so tone deaf in this economy. Like read the room!
How many times did they go to a Michelin star restaurant.
Can’t wait for the SNL sketch this weekend parodying the situation 😂
There’s no new SNL til May
@@librarymeg57Aw man 😅 Well hopefully they can still do it then lol!
@@librarymeg57Why?
Dude, SNL doesn’t know anything about these guys, they won’t make any skit about them.
@@samash7302Just checked and they are correct! It looks like they’re gonna be on a 2-week hiatus
Stephen just doesn’t wanna admit that people are there for Shane and Ryan, not him
It was probably Stephen's and Ryan's idea. 😑
Which one is that?
@@Etherealzyo The one on the left
Lmao exactly
Exactly!
I swear it's the "history repeats itself" in 4k. Everytime greed takes over they announce their fans need to pay. Then comes the backlash and suddenly it's "we're sorry we didn't communicate it well." No sweetie. You said it with your chest. You just didn't succeed
Sounded like the Fine Bros when they tried to copyright the word 'react'
Ikr, like y’all were reading from a script. Y’all filmed, edited and posted that video! Don’t act like y’all didn’t mean what you said
Mm. Said it with their chest. That part!!
👏👏👏 Yessssss exactly
100%
I read a comment that said “finally Shane saw a ghost, the ghost of his career” 😂
💀💀💀
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Scary!
It really annoyed me how they tried to spin this as them wanting to be able to pay their staff fairly ??? If you’re not able to pay your staff sustainably with the profits you are already turning then don’t hire so many people in the first place …
That’s what happens when you hire friends. They can’t fire anyone 😅😅
Exactly and take a damn paycut.
They want to be able to continue living wealthy lifestyles. They can't admit it though, that would go against the "fuck capitalism and eat the rich" facade they've spent years building
I'll never be over the fact that they monetised their "goodbye" video, when they're saying they don't appeal to advertisers...
I wanna know if the apology is also monetized
@@annalong9741I hope it is since y’all cheapskates want everything for free
@@annalong9741you can’t monetize a video under 8 min
Right! Lol
@@annalong9741 only videos over 10 min can be monetized and the apology is only 3 min long so it’s not
The episode of Top 5 with Brittany Broski, where Shane and Ryan were discussing eating habits and brought up Steven’s eating habits too. Shane said something along the lines of Steven ‘driving our company into bankruptcy’ (because Steven wants to eat fancy food every day)…that moment caught me off guard because of how candid and how passionate Shane said it. He said it with his chest. I am sure he was joking but I am sure there was some truth in the joke. With all that has happened, I think that comment makes a lot of more sense now.
I wanna see what episode this was
Just by watching Steven's segments you get the answer, wanting AND TRAVELING first class to other countries to eat a fancy stake, putting gold leafes on everyting he cooks, also his Tesla (mentioning that he needs a second one), him buying fancy takeouts every day etc. He is living the best live, adding more people to work for them (25 persons for a weekly video???), his dad is dean in a university, he never struggled with money and wants more and he doesn't care if he needs to take Ryan and Shane down to get it.
I just went to watch that episode and Shane really does seem heated over this.
@@dfilmmaker13 around the 10:15 mark on the Top 5 episode, “We fought over the best fictional foods” feat. Brittany Broski
@@lyn1938i just went and watched it. I totally believe hes joking. Its the same face and tone he uses when he tries to convince Ryan he saw a ghost when he was on his solo.
Their highest Patreon tier is $100 A MONTH....GMM charges $23 for theirs and with a million x more to offer from it.
Get these clowns out of here.
GMM actually care about what their audience wants and watcher is all about what they want. they said exactly that in different words.
@@levinia333 Exactly 💯
$100?! Who loves these guys THAT much?
No ones forcing you to buy it lol
whats gmm
They HELLA fucked up. Ruined their relationship with us completely.
*There's clearly 1k+ people tht agree with me so yall comments ain't shit rn 💀
Agreed cause it def left a bad taste in my mouth and sorry isn't enough. Their greed def showed us all we need to know
Just a bunch of greedy bastards
fr expecting everyone to have $5 or whatever to watch their content.... come down to earth a little guys
With all the money they were making and still having financial trouble? Just days before all this, Steven announced hiring 2 more people 😮 seriously..... how can you not see the greed. Plain and simple
I see where you're coming from, but I have more compassion and understanding to not just up and leave because I genuinely like some of the content. Based on the apology, only Ryan and Shane seem serious and apologetic. Shane actually looks like he had a mental breakdown. I don't watch Steven anyway, he's clearly where the seed of greed is growing from.
I wouldn't have paid 6 bucks anyway, but they realized they fell into a hole and are trying to get out. A real fan would AT LEAST see that.
Why would I pay for Steven to eat steaks across the world
I gotta be honest, never liked Steven 😂 I certainly am not paying for him to chew on diamonds on the daily.
@@ghoultoothEXACTLY!
Nobody likes steven!
He has negative charisma. Less than zero 😂
Read a comment somewhere saying “why would i pay for steven to eat foods i cant afford” wordddddd.
Game grumps, GMM, even SMOSH stuck with CZcams over the years and are well supported via sponsors, boosts and external support. Watcher just has a shit financial advisor
And out of control egos that think they're "too good" for youtube.
I agree. I lead marketing from a brand that has worked with them. They need a head of partnerships and sales. And if they already have one they need to fire them and get a new one. They aren’t doing a good job at selling themselves to brands.
They left buzzfeed, but buzzfeed never left them
1:35 😂 there s no way I’m paying 6.99 to read the rest 😂😂 I died
A wild guess as to why the wanted their own streaming service: CZcams and Patreon take a percentage of their revenue. They wanted a place where they would keep it all.
Exactly thiss. Like it really was just greed 😅
And Patreon takes a very fair and not excessive percentage compared tk CZcams.
Greed beyond belief
I'm also wondering if they were planning on putting out darker content? Since CZcams doesn't allow darker videos they might of been planning to publish them privately
@@officiallytrist1360but they could do that on patreon and have had the chance to do it if they already haven’t. I agree with others in that they don’t want chunks being taken out of their revenue anymore. They were looking at numbers instead of their fans unfortunately.
@@officiallytrist1360 YT & advertisers limit what they can post. It absolutely limits what creative control they can have over their content. Moving to an independent platform would absolutely remove that from the equation and they can post whatever they want.
The first ex buzzfeed guys didn't even do anything wrong, the other guy did. These guys hella messed up
Man you just can't trust any celebrities for real. Shane and Ryan, our parasocial relationship will never be the same 😭
I laughed at the parasocial comment lol. The amount of ppl who hold onto this parasocial thing is crazy to me.
Its a production company. They have 25 employees and as business owners, have a fiduciary responsibility to their investors and staff.
Calling them celebrities is a far reach
@@cemmett2008 you're so right 💯
@karlifdalkxipqnahpifkx1107 idky ppl dont understand that. Watcher Entertainment is a company. They created it to give them creative and budgetary freedom to do high quality unscripted videos.
They have said it since the very first making watcher video. This avenue was what allowed them to do it. They wanted to bring on board all the talented individuals they met along the way and create a top tier company.
But that means they have to make money. They have to make enough to sustain their staff, production cost, and overheard and make it financially worth the headache for them. Annnddd they have investors.
I think once they realized how fickle YT and advertisers are, and that they had to create videos to fit the algorithm and make them marketable to advertisers, you become dependent upon them for survival. I think they started looking for ways out in other methods that gave them freedom and creative control back w.o the fickleness.
I wasnt the least bit mad. I immediately understood why and what they were doing. They've said it from the beginning. The level of what this has all become is crazy to me. Like lord these guys and Steven especially have been raked over the coals a ton the last 72 hours.
@@iamnotjack.whydidichangeit’s so far I gotta drive three states over to see it.
I was a big fan during the Unsolved days. When they moved to Watcher I bought all the merch I could. But after a time, I just couldn't get into the show like I used to. So this whole fiasco made me take the actual time to unsub. I appreciate the apology, but I just don't think these are "the boys" I grew to like back in the day.
I hope they do succeed! And I am sure this fast back track helped them gain back many viewers.
I agree. I liked Unsolved True Crime better than their Mystery Files because of the overproduction. I find Mystery Files hard to follow, while Unsolved True Crimes was so basic and straightforward that I could really enjoy their story.
@@cakecrumb095 Thank you for putting it into words! I could never figure out what really bothered me about the change. I 100% agree!
@@cakecrumb095 Fully agree. I love the Unsolved True Crime format. Mystery Files feels like they are doing and fooling around too much. It feels like the care and respect for the cases died when they moved from that format. I still enjoyed Ghost Files as it feels like a better elevation from their Unsolved Paranormal format. But Mystery Files ain it lol
@cakecrumb095 they've addressed the true crime thing. It was too dark and affected their mental health. They don't want to redo it.
However YT demonetized those videos often and many legit advertisers often wont touch them.
I was in the discord when a buncha folks were trying to work alternatives. And got to be part of that process. Mystery Files was the alternative where they could do cryptos, mysteries, true crime but didn't need to go dark. Seeing that fan workshop base start and then come alive a few months later was amazing to me. MF is one of my favorites.
I completely agree! I loved buzzfeed unsolved when it was just a simple set and the captioning on screen. When they moved to watcher, I gave it a chance but it didn’t feel the same. Like all the fancy, technological advances they were doing I couldn’t connect to. We never asked for any of this! We simply enjoyed watching them for them and their friendship. So sad they never realized that.
So this was all for nothing? They just ruined their relationship with their subscribers, when we never asked for this. So sad that they never realized that we watched them for them and not their fancy technological advances.
Some might call that a life lesson
Let's hope they learnt from it.
Not that they have a plan B waiting in the shadows
The audacity to ask for money after Shane just had a 60k wedding and Steven filmed a new show in which he drives his Tesla around the world to try the worlds most expensive caviar.
"ChatGPT, write a youtuber apology..."
😂
Dang, you know you messed up when you have TWO Tea Spill videos made about you 😭and its Shane and Ryan of all people 😪
I know people are comparing this to the Try Guys, but I think this is much more comparable to the React World debacle!
That’s exactly what I said on their Goodbye vid. That it reminds me of when the Fine Bros tried to copyright the word “react”. Tbh I haven’t watched their stuff since. Felt sleazy.
Yes! That's exactly what I was thinking too!
Shane looks like he's finally seen a Ghost
😂😂😂😂😂
Bruh
his own demons.
Ghost of his career😂
Yeah, it rubbed me the wrong way to see them put the financial responsibility of their production onto the fans, as if it’s their responsibility.
Well, Steven needs his second Tesla and Shane needs to recoup the $100k he spent on his wedding and Ryan needs to hire more of his friends.😂
It's giving me flashbacks of The Fine Bros. They had the *genius* idea of trademarking the concept of reacting and wanted to charge people for using said concept. "React World" was dead on arrival.
LMAOO the back track is so funny to me. I feel like this is just gonna make things worse for them and now I feel like myself and a lot of people will not be tuning in after everything. But also what’s the point in paying early if it’s still gonna be coming to CZcams?
The point would really just be supporting them.
Honestly I think it's WILD that they have the audacity to keep the service up along with their Patreon.
Tasha k does the same you have to pay to watch another interview. Idk if it then goes on to utube later but she did a video that went viral about will smith then said now you need to pay to watch the second part. 😅
They really should make NEW original content that's exclusive for their streaming service only. To make it worth it to subscribe to it.
@vincent4258 that would be a good idea but ppl would still melt down.
@@zivens.2407 I'm not surprised. They're still trying to guilt trip their fans for Watcher's missteps.
I never ever expected Shane and Ryan of all people to end up in a controversy like this. They seemed so wholesome.
They are still wholesome this is a watcher misstep as a whole. But I hope they learned from this so the fans can continue to support them.
I think that was the biggest shock.
They should kick steven out the group. He ruined most of this
It's crazy how much people change when they get wealthy.
@@kokoko900 why is he even a part of the group? I feel like most people watch it for Shane & Ryan, I never ever watched Steven
I’m so sick and tired of them insisting they need high quality production for their fans. Them insisting that this NEEDS to happen rather than looking for other routes puts such a bad taste in my mouth. There really was no going back from the original video on that matter.
Good they apologized, but the fact that they continue spouting the same stuff that gives me warning signs is reason enough for me to stay away from them. Their content revolves around their personalities, and I cannot stand their personalities anymore.
They’re way too bold to try & pull what they pulled with only having 2.84 million subscribers
MrBeast has 253 million subscribers & he’s not foolish enough to try & pull this kind of idiotic stunt 😂
I'm so glad someone pointed out how off Stephen seemed, as soon as a heard him talk I was legit thinking that he had to be reading off a script cause of how cold and robotic he sounded smh
He seemed more annoyed than anything
It's not his fault that he has the personality of a paper plate. Flat and bland. Not a single drop of charm or charisma at all.
@@CTheng everyone’s there for Ryan and Shane lmao
honestly all the backlash was to him and hes probably tired and sad as hell 😭😭😭
😭yall are dragging Steven without even knowing him…
remember yall, shane “eat the rich” madej agreed to this
I'm laughing my ass off at how many people are trying to convince themselves that he was forced into this. He was all about eating the rich until he found out how nice it is to be the 1% 😂
What does eat the rich mean? Don’t we all want to be successful?
I used to get so hyped to watch their stuff, and also to buy the merch from their Puppet History show. They can forget it now. It's ridiculous how smaller channels here on youtube can pay all of their associates and are doing just fine.
What got me was when Shane’s wife made a condescending comment complaining that people expect all CZcamsrs to make “mr. Beast money” but they don’t. She completely missed the point. Also we all saw your wedding photos you are doing better off than a lot of us.
Sara (Shane's wife) has always rubbed me the wrong way, and this made me dislike her even more
Their wedding was 55k$ something alone. 😅
@@darksun6977 I read that that was the cost of the venue alone.
@@darksun6977 The average cost of a wedding in 2023 was $35k. $55k isn't particularly interesting in the case of a youtuber, it's actually probably on the cheaper side of youtube weddings.
When someone shows you who they really are, believe them. I will not re-subscribe to them. Not only are they greedy, but I dont believe they appreciate their fans. I do believe that they've realized how much the effed up but i also believe thay are plain greedy regardless. They really tried milking their fans.
6.99 for YT content that's to be released at least once per month??! yeah this was a death sentence for them. better for people to find other alternatives in watching. heck at least in Amazon Prime or Netflix, people will get their money's worth for more DIVERSE content
Someone on tiktok pointed out they’re sitting on a cheaper couch in the apology video!
and the production value is so much less.
They're in London. They're literally on tour right now. So they prolly had to rush to find anywhere to film. No hoity toity on the fly and not in LA
people are just nitpicking at this point
One the conclusions I came to watch their videos is that their money is being mismanaged somewhere. Yes, higher quality content will take more money to produce but with how much money they were making and how they said they couldn't financially stay on CZcams makes me think their finances aren't being budgeted properly if that's truly the case
We can all agree to blame that dude steven
a lot of their fanbase didn't watch for high quality production but for their personality and interesting content. I am also one of those people.
They should have come back and said they fired Steven 😅😅😅
Also, we've seen this model fail already. RoosterTeeth did the same thing and they just anounced their closure after 21 years, what makes watcher different?
watcher is different bc it'll only take a few months to die, not years. they didnt have nearly the fanbase that RT did. 45M compared to 3M.....
The “apology” sounded so corporate and robotic. I’m not saying they should apologize in another way, but you can’t deny it felt like that when hearing their apology 💀
One thing that aggravates my nerves is that they are constantly talking about the cost, and how it's affecting them. I get it, but at the same time, I don't. My mind keeps going back, yeah but something like Critical Role exists Now, granted they are famous voice actors and so they can use that to support it but they do have employees under them as well that aren't well known. I've seen them take sponsorships and get a deal with Amazon for their show. They can support themselves with a large company as well so why couldn't Watcher? Let me know if I missed anything, or got something wrong.
Critical role also makes new stuff constantly (both as oneshots or merch) and brings new people.
@@VI_VA. Exactly!
Genuine question, does anyone watch Watcher for Steven? I feel like most of us only watch for Shane and Ryan, but then this whole situation feels very much driven by Steven since he’s the CEO and seemed like the main expert on the change as even in the original video Shane and Ryan kept looking to him like he was the one in charge. I wonder if Shane and Ryan would be better off on their own or at least without Stephen?
As I always say, don't trust celebrities!
That's precisely why I enjoy 'small' CZcamsrs but then when they get famous enough, they turn into "we're too good for you peasants" people. Fame/wealth truly corrupts 🙄
I wouldnt say they are celebrities. They just more known than a regular person
They aren't celebrities. Just elevated CZcamsrs 😂 They are getting a big head. Glad their audience humbled them.
@@Just999Me they're 100% celebrities. Look up the word.
They're also money hungry flip floppers 😂
@@denisehagwood4542 Being well known means they're a public figure, does not mean they are celebrities. There is a fine line between well-known public figures and actual celebrities. They create content but it's not like they acting or singing or performing or entertaining. So in my humble opinion, no they are not. To each their own, but that word just gets thrown around too easily.
I don't think that we should really be forgiving them just because they actually apologized and took accountability. Come on people, show a little backbone. They spat on you and told you that you weren't worthy enough to watch their videos. If they had enough people sub to the service, they would of left you all in the dust. They don't care about you.
No one is gonna be dumb enough to be vulnerable after what they’ve done. They screwed up and they knew that they screwed up and backtracked. It’s actually nice to see because we’re so used to people doubling down on their terrible decisions and just going forward with it. Them backtracking is somewhat of a sign that they at least cared enough to do so, and it’s going to be a process to gain the trust back, but with due time it will happen if they don’t do something like this again. Forgive and forget, as the saying goes but not too fast and not too soon.
i literally could not care less lmao- thankfully two random dudes on the internet aren’t enough to make me feel bad about myself or doubt my contributions. i don’t understand how people get the point where they feel personally hurt by people who aren’t even aware of their existence, but parasocial relationships are weird like that. i’m still watching because i like the little blue puppet man, not because i have an unhealthy obsession with those two goofballs. i didn’t even need an apology because i don’t know them and they don’t know me- it would be inconsequential to someone who doesn’t have a parasocial connection to them. like okay thanks random men that i’ve never met before your apology means so much to me, a girl that has no interest in you or your private lives.
The damage has been done for me. Now I know that they don’t consider me to be of any value to them as a viewer, because I’m too broke to be "worthy of their content", I see them in a whole different, unpleasant light. They’re not the kind of people I thought they were.
Discovering this avaricious side to them, and their disdain for poor people, has been rather painful and sad. I can’t enjoy their videos anymore knowing this, although I’m sure others will forgive their greediness and entitlement, after their manipulative apology video…I just can’t.
I remember the multiple times during videos when they'd say stuff like "eat the rich" "pirate everything" and "capitalism is shit". Ironic
Shane looks like he hadn’t slept in weeks, Ryan looks like he hasn’t slept in days and Stephen looks like he could tell you his sheet’s thread count very easily.
This 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 we all know who is the one behind the "great idea"
to be fair, Shane usually looks like that
I don’t even watch either shows anymore. They lost the vision the fans are the most important part of either channels
They should have put up an ig poll first 😂
There's this idea. It's all Steven faults, but I find it to be naive. If you don't have group approval, it doesn't matter if Staven is CEO this only could happen with them all agreeing.
Yep. Shane and Ryan were just as in on it
I agree with you on this. Shane and Ryan’s content was great because it was very chill and not over the top.
If i wanted a "tv quality show" i would be watching tv. I want CZcams for the fun and freedom and genuine for-the-love-of-the-game type of energy in the content. Their audience can tell when they are passionate versus when they aren't.
Well… they did better than 99% of CZcams apologies. That’s a win in my book 😂
What's crazy is that they're STILL complaining about the money in the update. The issue lies in overspending their money, they are spending too much on shows that aren't worth it, too high-budget and hiring friends and family thus having too many employees they literally CAN NOT fire
It doesn't really take a lot to come online to reverse a decision that almost everyone hates, I think a lot of people will leave them behind on principle tbh
You telling me that their sponsors saw their views and engagement and said "Nah, this is bad, we won't advertise anymore with you!"? Nah, they plateau money wise and the CEO guy wanted more and this was the way to milk their fans of more money
Greed is not a good look.
Someone leaked the Patreon sneak peek - it was a behind the scenes on making Ghost Files that revealed they send four people out to scout days in advance and "adjust their schedule to nights", go to movies etc. Shane appeared disinterested, Ryan comments that this series may not be a thing while filming it, it's a mess.
Steven Lim is trying to make Watcher his own personal piggy bank so be could travel around, get a _second_ Tesla and eat luxury food all the time. Shane and Ryan shouldn't have stepped down if the guy they left in charge is just one step away from committing embezzlement
I wish they continued with the ghost hunter type stuff it was so funny from Shane's perspective and Ryan's. They could have done ghost hunt global where they go to haunted places around the world. And I know there's tons of shows like that already but they made it so fun to watch versus being completely serious the whole time (which yeah I know time and place for that ie graveyards and places of mass trauma )
They have the audacity to say "5.99 is affordable for everyone" but they live in America, and the federal minimum wage is still 7.25.
My sister had sent me the link and said “someone’s not getting their Tesla now”
Very weird seeing ex co workers on my fav t channels haha. Speaking from personal experience as someone at BuzzFeed with them in the same job title as producer, the 3 are very sweet people. To work under them, I can’t speak to. I’m not defending their choices but I can see production quality being a priority for Steven and Ryan. And I can see it being hard for them imagining scaling it back when it’s been this way for a while. I can see how they might think people expect this level from them now.
Looks like a combination of two things IMO: Overextending themselves and rather than doing what they should do and lay off employees, move to a cheaper location or find other ways to cut costs, they are passing the buck to their community. They are also focused on things like high production value, etc. Things that nobody asked for or cares about. Regardless of whether or not you want to do it, you need to figure out if the money you are spending is actually getting you any return on your investment.
You can’t tell me Mr. Bossbro Steven isn’t 98% responsible for this lmao
I think their biggest loss from this is relatability. So out of touch. It went from fun to funding a business
I do not understand why they are insisting that they would have to close their channel without the service. I get not wanting to cut back or for folks, but sometimes cuts just have to be done. Like let's not pretend that they're aren't steps before getting that drastic.
It truly sounds like there's some mismanagement happening here. If you aren't making enough then you have to cut things. It's very normal to do that.
I don’t really care about the apology tbh. They overtired and overproduced. Period. They expanded their channel beyond their own means. They rehired Andrew and another guy recently. If they are struggling with money why did they hire them? If they’re struggling with money why does Steven Lim drive a Tesla? Why does Shane’s wife have expensive bags she shows off on social media? Surely you don’t need those things to live life. Their apology completely ignores what people were saying. The fans don’t care that the content is TV quality. That’s not what the fans ever truly wanted the most. They want to make the content that THEY want the make. Not the content that the fans truly care about. And they expect us to foot the bill
No matter what it seems like none of yall wouldve been happy for the simple fact that they wanted to make extra money,, as this is a business after all, which no one is forcing you to pay or support. If they hadnt apologized the reaction would be "if they just apologized it would be okay!!" But when they do apologize its fake and insincere. Well yeah, they didnt do anything wrong besides wanting to make more money for their BUSINESS and now theyre being cancled, id be annoyed as hell too. Also since they created the channel they should absolutely do what THEY want to do. And its up to you if you want to watch it or not, but youre not entitled to force a stranger to make the content you personally want them to make, they arent here for you. There here to grow a business. You dont pay them, youtube does and yet yall act like you sign their checks. Just like a fast food place sometimes has to increase prices when their product increases in price, that doesnt mean theyre greedy or bad people, that means they need to see a profit in order to stay in business, so when views go down they made the choice to ask people to pay to see their content. You do not have to. This isnt a hobby anymore this is a career and they obviously have bills, families and staff to pay. Come down to earth a little.
@@beautygirl0725 alright Sara’s burner account. Maybe take it down a few notches. Lol
Also these guys are so great at telling those spooky unsolved cases,I binged those a lot when I got into watching CZcams!!
I know that was with Buzzfeed previously,but I loved that segment. Keep expanding that on Watcher!!
It’s just weird that they essentially blindsided their entire fanbase. All the CZcamsrs I watch ask their subscribers thoughts on stuff like simply changing an upload date from Tuesday to Wednesday! So this is so weird to me.
These guyz were better in buzzfeed... I swear... And that Stephen guy is literally looking lile he's reading memorized lines he doesn't seem much serious
Completely different guy than the one who did fish granted wtf
Isn’t Buzzfeed bankrupt?
wait how did i completely miss this entire thing go down?! i haven’t been too active on youtube lately but damn. i saw the notification you posted for this video & thought it was some random youtubers who i don’t know. until i saw the video on my home screen and looked at the thumbnail and was like wait….. i know those faces!!!! shane & ryan were my absolute favorite a few years back. i’ve legit seen every single buzzfeed unsolved video they’ve done 🥲 haven’t rly kept up with them much since they’ve left. the puppet history sketch thing they’d do was pretty good tho. idk what they’ve been up to now a days! well, i guess now i know 😀 lol
Oh no, you've already lost me, ghouls
Meh no matter how much we cancel them, they are still getting em cash. Just nearly 100k subs gone, 13k patreon still there and few die hard folks signed up for the $6 🐎💩
I was a subscriber of their channel. Personally, I will not resubscribe or watch any of their future video (even great series like Puppet History). The trust is broken.
Other people are free to forgive them and watch them again. I can't control anyone decision. But I just won't be one of those people.
I'm going to say it - Steven looks like he was crying before he had to film it.
Shane being in the middle was absolutely calculated.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he and Ryan got into an argument before this or if he was crying because he won’t get more money. If Shane and Ryan left there would not be anyone left to watch Steven’s content.
I used to watch their Buzzfeed unsolved series years ago, it was the only Buzzfeed content I would watch; but at times I felt that Shane and Ryan were a little insensitive to the victims, for example: the boy in the box case (I think episode 1). There’s gallows humour and then there’s being disrespectful. As for their current content, I didn’t even know they had the watcher channel. And after this, I won’t be watching it either
I hate how hollow their apology was, like they are just kinda annoyed to be doing it. A lot of people immediately forgave them it seems, but to be honest they showed a side of them I didn’t enjoy at all. I unsubbed, I’ll miss them. Greedy and corporate
The vibes are so weird in this video but also the one before
I don't see that coming from them at all.. I feel like they were influenced and just said yes. They need to hire some new financial or whatever it is
I feel like even if they just launched the streaming platform and marketed it as "hey we have to give up a percentage to Patreon and want a place where you guys can get access to exclusive/early content and buy merch and 100% of your money goes to us" it would've been received better. Now no matter what they do it's just always going to stay in the back of my mind that they were just greedy as hell, and actually were intending on taking down all their content initially (they say it in the first video, despite acting like they didn't in the pinned comment) and backpedaled on that, and then backpedaled even further to where they are currently
there is nothing wrong with doing Patreon exclusive content, but they forgot where they came from.
I desperately need to know how the live Q&A went
I don’t know the channel and only vaguely remember two of them from those mystery series stuff but man I’m entertained by finding this on my feed today ngl
The funniest part is that I only heard about the apology through the “two nickels” comment lmao
I wonder if they had ‘professional’ ‘advice’ financially ‘pressured’ from people who don’t understand the value of CZcams as a community. It’s a community to build, not an empire.
It could be a similar Smosh situation who knows. I’d like to think those three are nice people but probably have their L.A. hats on a little too tight. They backtracked so quick, good for them. I’m glad they didn’t go along with it, since it would be the end of Ryan and Shane :( but every mistake comes with a learning opportunity, and remember where their fan base is from.
I wonder how mad that they are sticking with CZcams. Like to be a fly on the wall when they saw the backlash.
Okay but I completely forgot about Stephen and haven’t even bothered to watch Shane and Ryan again after the downfall of buzzfeed. But totally not ever going to pay for the streaming service.
They wanted to KEEP the Patreon???
Patreons get free access
They were originally given 40% discount but fans called them out so now they are offering free subscriptions to Patreon members and refunding members who already paid. Those who sign up early were offered 30% off. This is just FYI. Not trying to shit on the guys.
As a patreon member of theirs: they were gonna give us access to just a podcast (which they’ve been unreliable about releasing regularly) but backtracked to give us access to the site if WE ask for a code, when the patreon discount code was only 10% different than the the early join code that the public was being offered. :^)
@@konniehart1137 was that depending on the support level? I thought their video said you get access and if you paid for it they will refund you. 🧐
CZcamsrs going on a television network or a streaming service for their own show is nothing new. However, the watchers are trying to make their very own streaming service and put out their old content as well with new content on there to charge money… like you don’t have already advertisements and as well sponsorships, and as well as a Patreon. Get real. Cut costs in places with a s and listen to your audience since they are the reason you have success. Wow.
To sum of what said Watcher: "Hide the money, y'all! There's poor people around."
7:34 best username ever
The best part of this is the parody videos slowly coming out from this. Cause that was such a dumb decision. And “continuous lapse of judgements” leads to good parody videos. 😂 I hope it works for them, it’s good to have backups. But the original idea of ditching their main source super suddenly was terrible. 💀 I am also confused about their statements related to not appealing to advertisers, makes me a little suspicious about their honesty or financial decisions. Cause something’s not right there.
6:07 - Worth It was never a Watcher show and premiered it's SERIES FINALE on a different channel over a year ago. People don't know what they're talking about it
They could have avoided all of this by making polls. What does the community want? What should they focus less on?
I wish they had ukuleles in this video
i blame this whole mess on Steven Lim
Good for them for facing the pushback head on, addressing the concerns and apologizing. Hopefully this is the norm moving forward for content creators and influencers (and elected officials!)
Never heard of them before this, safe to say I won’t be watching 👀😂
They have some pretty entertaining videos if you like ghost and crime stuff
Actually, I think you should give their unsolved series a try.
There actually a lot of fun.