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Deconstructing the complicated downfall and rebrand of Girl Defined is more nuanced than perhaps once thought. From increasingly toxic purity culture to dark and disturbing allegations against their mother and a bizarre rebrand, the Girl Defined story is more than meets the eye. Were they indoctrinated into a world of twisted morals? Does that excuse their actions? Is anyone to blame? What is the final perspective?
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00:00 The Beginning Defined
09:09 Girl Defined, Defined
18:06 Purity Culture Defined
37:51 Damaged Goods
47:38 Meme Status
01:02:47 Extreme Pivot
01:15:07 Anti Girlboss
01:19:24 About Heidi Baird
01:25:11 Deconstructing Dav
01:35:37 Swoopâs Thoughts
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I sincerely hope you are able to heal. Sending positive thoughts đŠľđŠľ
Sending lots of healing vibes and love to you Swoop. â¤â¤â¤â¤
You've validated so many of us and helped so many people heal so please take all the time to do what you need to do
Praying for healing â¤ď¸âđŠš
As a gay, they're right, I do have a secret agenda: to live my most authentic life and influence others to live theirs too.
Shhh! The secret will get.out! Some ppl are not ready for the agenda đ
Agreed. As a Pan in a straight marriage, All I want is for everyone to not let anybody tell them what's good for them. What's good for me is not good for you. Never let anyone take your soul away, just be yourself each and every day. Live and let live, and always remember to stay blazin'.
My late father was in the USAAF/USAF for several decades. All he wanted after that was peace, harmony, and to live and let live.
People have to see hell to truly appreciate heaven.
Damn that's some nefarious agenda right there, crime against humanity đ
Jokes aside, people gotta start minding their own business and leave people and their preferences alone as long as they aren't hurting anyone!
@@sae200502167 People wouldn't ever do that, or they'd have nothing to do with their boring lives. It's kinda sad, really, that people have so much free time that they can use it like this.
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Student of the Petty University here! I really hope that Swoop is doing okay, and thank you to her and the team for another documentary. But please don't push yourself! All our love to Swoop đ
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Yes donât push herself too much but if a CZcamsr doesnât post for a few days they lose viewership and money so she she to think of herself as well as her employees so she kinda has to post
@@mimibelta259Her team is uploading some docs in her absence. Regardless, I think her mental health and safety are more important than views.
I actually watch you and your girlfriend, and it is no interesting that you watch swoop as well, the 3 of you have been incredibly helpful in my journey to accepting myself, nd I wanted to say thank you
Yes!! Swooooopppp!!
I have a friend who was SAâd by her âChristianâ stepfather. Her mom is still married to him. She apologizes for the situation yet she wonât leave him. The pastor of my old church was told this. He did not report it. Her parents are leaders in the church.
This happens too often.
I'm so sorry that all happened to you. I hope that you have peace now in your life.
Omg I hope she is ok now I can't imagine the trauma I also almost got SAd by a stranger that one of my mom's maid she brings a stranger and then we got saved by my mom coming home early she didn't know what happened to me after 4 years later I was 12 I told my mom and she makes me tell it Infront of my Young siblings I am the oldest and laugh at me ahe made fun of me all of the laughed and th forced me to wash the dishes after
Sociology Professor here Dr. Swoop and I wanted to provide a bit of perspective from my experience teaching people like Girl Defined in my classrooms since you seem to be super interested in that this doc!
I've seen people like this basically divided into two camps: those ready to learn and those that refuse to. Some people literally take my class just to tell me I'm wrong and "pushing the liberal agenda" and even though I extend grace, they usually just double down because they are either not ready or refuse to learn. The other group though, is actively ready to learn, even if they don't agree (and for your sanity, I assure you it is the MUCH larger group).
The group that is ready to learn is interesting because more often then not, they DON'T end up changing their personal views, but they instead open themselves up to more of the gray area instead of talking in absolutes. Ex: If the person believes a woman's place is in the home, I provide stats on household incomes and how many women have to work, then they tend to adapt their thinking to "if you can" a woman's place should be in the home, but that's not always possible. This group mainly opens themselves up to give a little more grace to people in different situations, which I think is a great step forward!
From what my students have told me, these original views 100% start at home and a lot of it is reinforced through religious private schools. They also try to cut off or demonize outside views so much, that many of my students didn't feel safe to question anything until they got to college, and when they go home they still pretend to be the way they were. I think the best way to provide space is to not demonize their religion/upbringing either because that's exactly what they've been told we'll do. I think you do an excellent job doing that for the general public on this channel (since classrooms can only reach so many) and it might help others who were dissuaded from a college education (like Bethany) to learn the same things that many professors like myself teach at the college level.
Take care of yourself and keep up the good work! I love a good Petty University moment đ
Professor, thank you for the job you do.
As an Autistic person, your field has been critical to my survival in our society. I mean this literally, not figuratively; I live because of what Sociology professors have taught me.
Sociology helped me understand the individual through the eyes of the group. It allowed me to understand group dynamics and non verbal communication in a way that let me function without the ability to naturally use them.
I donât know if youâve ever been told about that little side effect of your field and profession, but I think it is important for you to know how important the study of Sociology is to me and my people.
No reply necessary, I just saw your post and realized I havenât thanked a Sociologist lately for all they do.
Be well,
Kali
Thank you for this â¤
You're work is really important for people questioning and scared to reach out for how it might make them feel ostracized for being faithful from those outside their community or for not having enough faith by those in their community.
Faith is so individual and really should encourage people to question things for their own mental health and well being. I wish people the best on that journey in finding what faith means to them, or if they realize faith isn't what they needed to fix or change, so much as the views that have more to do with the church or spiritual community's influence on them rather than their own true feelings.
As a none faithful person surrounded by people with a faith of different origins and denominations I feel comfortable in having left religion behind, and respect the choice of others to stay and evolve with a healthy examination of their faith vs social issues we all face.
That reminds me of something I heard about JW and their door-to-door missionary work: the church *knows* itâs unlikely to find more recruits that way, and that the missionaries will be persecuted, and thatâs the *point*. These young missionaries will be further pushed into their religious extremist bubble and hopefully become a full JW zealot.
Iâm doing work In my college with climate change and teaching it and I absolutely 100% see what you talked about. Itâs tough especially with harder information to grasp but itâs all the same teaching-wise
Are they unaware that literally every theater performance until not even that long ago was a drag performance because women weren't allowed to act? That's so weird to me.
Yep you are right that Men played womenâs roles from Greek performances to Tudor times in plays. Then acting was banned because theatre, sport and Christmas was âdistracting the Christian/Puritan relationship with Godâ and was only bought back with the Monarchy restoration with King Charles II⌠I could be wrong with the history of drama.
Well they never went to college so /j
No, I'm sure they don't have the intellectual curiosity to look into what they've been told. They take everything they've been told as cold hard facts and can't understand why anyone would disagree with them.
And the earliest female preformers- ballerinas- were sex workers.
No they probably genuinely don't know that, unfortunately. Man, I'm so tired of the anti-drag discourse and ignorance of history and drag culture (and where it intersects with more mainstream culture), it's just tiring đŽâđ¨
That little blurb about Marilyn monroe they used made me physically ill. Like 1) read at least one book about her and 2) let the woman rest
And she was Jewish! (Converted when she married + remained Jewish I believe)
Marilyn Monroe is rolling over in her grave at their using her to push purity culture.
The fact they use Marilyn is hilarious, especially knowing their stance on the lgbtq+ community. Itâs not a well known fact granted but she was bi, and very attracted to women. She also LITERALLY A SEX SYMBOL. The ignorance, I canât đ
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who got really pissed when they brought up Marilyn Monroe someone who was a victim of sexual abuse throughout her life and also a woman who converted to Judaism and was a deeply spiritual Jew and to have these little Evangelical granddaughters of Nazis use her in that way just disgusts me
@victoriavilagines5596 Itâs especially nauseating because theyâre using her as a cautionary tale when not only was she a very intelligent, compassionate, and talented woman, but to twist the reason that sheâs no longer with us to âdissatisfaction with having it allâ like GIRL the abuse???? The objectification????? đ¤˘đ¤˘đ¤˘
I grew up mormon and we were DEFINITELY taught if we broke the law of chastity we were "chewed gum" or a "licked cupcake" (and no one is going to want you after you've been sampled). Internalized misogyny is a huge part of the culture. We're taught our bodies cause men to sin, but men aren't told to pluck out their eyes.
Isnât it wild how strong the bias is? I didnât grow up Mormon, but with very strict Christian parents who treated it this way.
I got crumpled foil lmao
@@hollyk7052 that is SO beyond effed up. I'm so sorry you were taught that.
Oh my god, I read that as "we were told that if we chewed gum or licked a cupcake, we broke the law of chastity" and I was SO confused.
I'm glad that you managed to escape that line of thinking and have hopefully built a much more fulfilling life outside of it!
Yep! Growing up in the heart of Utah County was not easy with those strong mentalities everywhere. I later worked for an OBGYN and the amount of women that came in because they needed both physical and emotional help having sex for the first time while their husbands were heavily porn-influenced and expecting their new wives to just be ready to roll was SO common.
I was raised in an ultra conservative evangelical family. It's insane the amount of hate, misogyny, and absolute judgement a lot of them have. We were taught purity culture and it was traumatizing. I knew NOTHING and surprise surprise got pregnant at 16 because I didn't even understand what exactly I was doing (thanks to my abusive ex for taking advantage of that) and went to Liberty University's very own pregnancy home *cough prison. Where we were taught how EXTREMELY sinful we were and were paraded around for the college students to look at as a "lesson".
Purity culture is dangerous for SO many reasons and grooming young women to listen and "obey" a man whilst being taken advantage of for lack of understanding and knowledge of sex Ed. Not knowing sex ed to the point of being embarrassed to not talk about sex leads to women being perfect prey for sexual abusers. Who are we going to tell? Our parents who said any kind of sex would take away from our "future husbands"? No one would "want" us anymore?
Purity culture is built by men who just want to control women.
The 50% failure rate for marriages is not true anymore. It's dropped drastically because people are not getting married when they're so young, which is a good thing!
Another part is that mist of the people in that study were older couples, not younger ones.
Divorce in the LDS is really high-purity culture-kids marrying people they barely know too young and then not liking them over time. Go figure.
@@Ashbrash1998 See this is what I was thinking. I feel like we need to look into the context of every study and fact that is flung around. Like Marie Antoinette was not recorded to say "let them eat cake", but that was an accepted fact for decades. I never even thought to look into the context of the 50% of marriages statistic even though I always doubted it. My brain is not as questioning and curious as I thought it was!
50% of my marriages have failed.. heh
Yeah, plus, it's people getting married because they had to, mostly women suffered a lot for not being married, ie, socially, unmarried and pregnant was (still is in many places) a social death. Up until pretty recently that would mean complete ostracisation. So people were forced to get married to people they weren't compatible with, or were forced to marry because that's just what you do if you want to survive. The kind of jobs you could get as an unmarried woman were pretty limited for a long time. So if you only have bad options you take the one that's the least horrible. It makes sense that once divorce is open to you, you take that out.
My Christian Parents: "Do not even hold a man's hand! That leads to Pregnancy!"
Me an Asexual: "Okay???"
My parents: "When are you going to give us grandbabies?"
Me, still an Asexual: "no"
Meeee
I always thought i was just really good at waiting for marriage lmao
Holy shit. Hello fellow garlic bread enjoyer! đžđ¤đś
Ah yep, been there done that, though I'm non-Christian Indian-American. My parents were fine, but my friends' parents (of all races and religions) would use me as a point of comparison to shame their own daughters, like "why can't you be more like her? she only cares about school, doesn't go out with boys, doesn't drink/smoke, and definitely doesn't kiss let alone have sex". Jokes on them, since now, I'm a single, gay-oriented ace in my lower 30s and people look at me so weirdly for not being attracted to men, let alone married with kids. Thanks, I hate it all- especially the shaming and comparisons.
@@sowe97SAME!! Lol, sike, itâs the asexuality and general disdain for other people đ¤Łđ¤Ł
Referring to some as âdamaged goodsâ means some are âgoods,â and all are products to consume, or reject. People are not products.
Friendly reminder that Bethany actually "wasted her most fertile years", she got panic married at 30 years old to a guy 7 years younger than her (just worth mentioning, because she met him when he was 16/17). She didn't work, or went to college. She wasted her "most fertile years" spreading harmful purity culture on the internet while living with her wealthy parents. Just a treasure all around.
My Mum keeps insisting I'm gay because I watch drag race despite being married for 25 years with a 20yo son.
LOLLL???
I mean, itâs not uncommon for gay people to be married to the opposite gender and have children. My friendâs dad came out when my friend was in their early 20s and divorced their mom shortly after. Last I heard heâs in a long term committed relationship with a man
That being said, watching Drag Race doesnât make someone gay đ
@@madih7270 Yeah my Mum fully thinks if you see gay, you are gay. One of those.
Sounds pretty gay to me and I'm convinced she's projecting.
@@jeannetterwOh, sheâs 100% projecting!
@@jeannetterw maybe you should ask her! At the very least it might get her to stop telling you that silliness.đ
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I bet "women are encouraged to separate themselves from their children" is referring to daycare, preschool, and all elementary, middle, and high schools, because they believe all children should be homeschooled.
Many should. Sone need school to get away from abuse. But school isn't a good place
Typically they think children are below them, itâd be god, husband, themselves then children. They usually see children as lesser than
â@@Angelface11yeah and that's why countries where people are easily able to homeschool are so peaceful and support everyone. Parents aren't teachers.
My mom thought like this. Not only did she think preschools were awful because they took children out of the home and forced them to grow up too fast, but she was also so staunchly against busing for integration that she moved our family to a new town after the Diaz Rule was instituted in San Jose in the 80's because she didn't want her children taken from their home neighborhood just to mix with "the yellow ones and the black ones" even though the rule was about education disparity in the Mexican American population. My sister and I were only in elementary school (the rule only applied to High Schools) but she was like "nope, we're not sticking around for this to happen years from now. No one's taking my babies away from me!" At least she didn't home school us, although she was capable since she used to be a school teacher. It would have made life a lot harder for us, tho. Of course, she was only really against preschool until my little sister came along and was a major handful, and then my mom was like "yes! preschool! take her!! I need a break!" That definitely shattered part of her idyllic illusions about 'perfect parenting' lol
@@Angelface11 yeah but the commenter is just explaining what girl defined meant by that quote. the commenter isnt saying anything of "kids should/shouldnt be homeschooled"
As somebody with a degree, let me tell you that I wasnât ready to be pumping out kids in my early 20s. I used that time to learn more about the world and who I wanted to be within it, and Iâm a better parent now because of it.
"When two sheltered girls put themselves further into the shelter" girl đđđđ
Thatâs so on pointâŚ.
"We don't want to spend our most fertile years chasing a career or a degree" I do actually, but thank you
I spent my most fertile years chasing a PhD and regret absolutely nothing. I'm a cool aunt, not a cool mom.
Funny she says that while quite literally having a career on youtube.
I chased a career in medical coding, now itâs auditing and I have no regrets. Worth it.
I chased a career and I could care less about it. I am more into my hobbies, my son, traveling, and fashion. So yes i only got a career to survive but i donât believe in nobodyâs rat race
I'm wasting my fertile years chasing a career right now, and honestly I'm happier than I've been for a few years!! I know they'll never even try to understand, but I WISH they'd understand not everyone is built to have kids, mentally or even physically!!
It's not so much that Purity Culture teaches that to be fulfilled, women need to get married. It is that it teaches that the PURPOSE of a woman is to be the support for her husband, take care of the home, and - most importantly - HAVE BABIES! Girls are literally taught that the purpose of women is procreation. I have seen women become horribly depressed and feel completely worthless because they have fertility problems (even if the issue is with HIM and not HER). It is disgusting, and so horrifically harmful, I cannot even begin. I am still working through the religious trauma regarding this.
My dog passed away last night right after I came home from college. I think she was waiting for the whole family to be together for when she goes. We're all missing her so much already, she was a gorgeous life long partner of 11 years, a beautiful german shepherd. Your video is somehow making me laugh, and feel somewhat normal. I've watched so many of your videos, and I'm so happy to be able to watch videos of my favourite creators even during such a hard time. Your documentaries are amazing, Swoop, and I hope you know how much you impact the people who watch them in such positive ways with your witty humour, your gentle take on sensitive topics, and your pure pettiness rage at injustices! I never comment on CZcams videos but I wanted to do so here today. I love you all, take care of yourselves everyone. Life can be so hard but we'll all get through it. It's the journey that counts. To Foxy, my beautiful German Shepherd. I love you so much and we're waiting for you to come back home to us. I hope you're resting peacefully, and I prey you loved your life long home with us and will do for the rest of all our lives.
Aww baby Foxy ⤠hope she is at peace!
Iâm so very sorry. I know that feeling all too well. It rips out your heart and soul. RIP to your sweet friend. đ
Oh my heart aches for you, animals hold a special place in our lives. Glad she got to wait for you. Wishing you comfort for your broken heart.
I am so, so sorry for your loss. Zero words can describe that horrible, empty feeling once our babies leave us. :(
Foxy sounds like a wonderful companion and beautiful pup, and I have no doubt that she has become your guardian angel. Iâm glad you have swoop as a distraction, I lost my baby girl 7 months ago and Iâm still ruined by it. I couldnât even cry for the first 4 months - I was in emotional turmoil (still am) but having brilliant creators to watch like swoop makes it a little easier. I completely understand where youâre coming from, itâs so goddamn difficult. Rest in Peace to your precious Foxy, she sounds like such a gorgeous girl. Sending all my love to you â¤
i want girl defined to go on the fresh & fit podcast and give us the ultimate "misogyny vs internalized misogyny" showdown
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OMG, I would totally watch that. đ
Fresh and fit are no longer a thing, maybe the whatever podcast, those dudes are tools that think they can hide ignorance with inspirational background music đ
Fresh and fit are too busy blaming Cassie for getting beat up by P Diddy
Lol, they are too racist for that! Wasnt one of their ancestor a nazi? I think, I saw a Fundie Friday video about him.
The idea of using Virginity as a form of value on women is appalling. I grew up in an area where that was rampant, and as someone who forcibly lost their virginity i spent many years dealing with people who shamed me for something I had no control over. I can't handle these girls and their ideas. Its dangerous to young women.
ikr...it is genuinely stupid. I dont have sex, but its not because any of their goofy reasons.
I'm so sorry you endured such pain because of ignorance. its so unacceptable the amount of suffering these so called godly people cause.
@@VibinJivin thank you đ
I was raised in religion. I remember going back to my usual Sunday church (went to different church for Wednesdays) after I was sa'd. Of course it was the youth leader going off about how ech time you have sex before marriage you're ruining yourself and you're gonna feel so guilty when you get married and can't "give that gift" to your spouse. I broke. I sobbed. I walked out. She followed, I screamed at her, and that was that. I never went back for a church service. Anywhere. Not to mention that I had been raped while at the church I went to on Wednesdays. Behind the church. No one noticed I went mia. I'll never respect any of the Christian religion again.
Iâm so sorry that happened to you. Thatâs what happened to me also. And I felt so much shame. I hope you are able to completely heal. Itâs horrible to have it be not your choice and also feel bad for something not in your control
Hell yeah! Proud to be from a very long line of âSHAMS!â The OG Great Granny was a pilot in the WAC in Ww1, Grand Memaw, an army Nurse in WW2 and Korea. Grand Nana raised her siblings in the depression, put herself through school raising her own 3 kids became a nurse. My Mom became a Fire fighter/paramedic and eventually became the first woman Captain in her department. All the while raising kids, being a military wife, coach, and active in the PTA. My sister is earning her doctorate in education and I am a flight nurse. If we are âShamsâ, so be it, but I am so proud of the women in my family! And guess what we all had/have struggles, divorces, and failures. We also have great joy and success,, but I wouldnât change a thing.
Your family sounds badass!
Perspective on indoctrination:
I grew up in an extreme conservative Christian fundamentalist home. Homeschooled, my only socialization until 13 was the church and church groups. And then it was a homeschool PE group full of kids from a similar background, and swim lessons where i didn't get to know any of the kids, only my instructors who would later become my coworkers.
At 15 i started my first job as a lifeguard and swim instructor which was my first real exposure to non-Christians. For the first year, i didn't even know how to talk to anyone.
At 16, the purity culture upgraded to the next level. I'd always been taught abstinence if my parents had to talk about sex, or that all men are sexual predators. I was given a purity ring, which was to be worn on my left ring finger like an "engagement to God". That summer, i had a 29 year old coworker inquire what the ring was, i explained, and the next three months he attempted to groom me. It made me a target. I didn't realize until a few years ago that that was what he was doing, because at that age, i thought that's how all men were. I'd already spent a year and a half being sexually harassed by men in their 70s and 80s, so it was a relief to me that someone only twice my age would take interest in me, even though what he was doing was so much more insidious than old men making gross comments about my body... i was just too naive at the time to understand just how insidious it was.
Then at 18 my parents threatened to kick me out if i didn't go to an indoctrination school called Word of Life Bible Institute. Some "fun" information about this school: they are Title 9 exempt, meaning they are allowed to discriminate against LGBTQ+, they engage in conversion therapy, and if that isn't successful, they kick you out before the end of the school year, even two days before the end to make sure they don't have any gays graduating, they are notoriously racist, though i didn't witness this first hand because I'm too introverted to meet people, and the one black guy i did meet is white-passing, but being familiar with the culture I fully believe it to be true, and lastly they call themselves an accredited college, but they a, aren't, and b, couldn't be if they tried since they exclusively teach theology, biblical history, open air evangelism, missionary work, and ministry, and nothing else.
So i go to this school because i can't afford to live on my own, meet this guy (the one i mentioned above), who has 13 girls all wrapped around his finger because he's incredibly charismatic, attractive, and convincingly pretends to care. He tried to convince all of them to date him. I was the one he ended up with, though he convinced me he "chose" me over all the rest, when in reality, i was the only one naive enough to not see through the facade. As soon as we started dating, he began pressuring me into engaging sexually which i had genuinely no interest in (i would figure out in about 10 years that I'm on the ace spectrum). We would eventually get caught, falsely imprisoned by the school for 3 days (phones and laptops taken away, despite we were adults, locked in our dorm rooms at night, locked in the dean's office during the day for interrogations about what we did, and HOW MANY TIMES???? Being forced to call our parents and tell them what we did, even though i told them my home life was emotionally abusive), and finally kicked out. It would be many years before i came to terms with the fact that he had just ignored my "no's" and that it hadn't been consensual or my fault.
I went to live with my still fundamentalist aunt instead of my parents. The guy called and harassed me every day for two months until i finally caved in and agreed to date him again. I had grown up being told that if you have pre-marital sex, you're damaged goods, and no one would ever love you again. So i went back to the guy who had done the damage because trauma bonding. I moved 1600 miles to be with him, which meant i had no support system. I wanted to wait years before we got married, but he beat me over the head (figuratively and literally) until i gave in, and we got married just a few months after i moved. He would physically and sexually assault me multiple times before we got married, and he would blame it on me, and a lifetime of indoctrination made me believe it was my fault. We would get married, and it would continue to get worse. I got pregnant because he refused to let me get on birth control. He wouldn't let me get an abortion from a doctor and came up with his own bs home abortion, which i didn't want to do because i didn't trust it. He forced me to do it, and when i was still upset about it an hour later, he forced me to purge.
When i told him I was bi, he thought that was the best thing because that meant he could have another girlfriend. I knew i didn't get on with the girl he picked, but i was conditioned to know that arguing resulted in abuse, so i just did the best i could. They both liked each other more than me, and when i pointed out the fact that they made very obvious, I was the problem and had to be "punished".
He would eventually sexually assault me and my best friend, and force me to sexually assault her, just to turn around and tell our girlfriend that I had "cheated" on her, and for that i had to be "punished". I left them a few months later as the physical and sexual assaults became ever worse, and i started fearing for my life. He strategically saved the worst abuse for when our girlfriend was absent so she would continue to believe his lies that I was crazy, and what she saw was "punishment" for "acting out/crazy".
But none of this would have happened if I'd had a comprehensive sex education that taught me about consent and what a healthy relationship should look like. I wouldn't have a child who's being indoctrinated into the same set of beliefs. I could have come out as bi, ace, and agender so much sooner and started living my life authentically as who I've always known myself to be even when i didnt have the language to describe it. Purity culture ruins lives
Did anyone else get the I can't be racist because I have a black friend vibe from their "we have friends who have been assaulted so we can't be judgemental" response?
It's usually "I CAN be racist cos I have a black friend..." not "I *can't* be racist cos I have a black friend" lol, your comment confused me a bit lol, but then again it's not hard to confuse me haha! đ
@Chelle8847 no I mean they claim they aren't racist because they have a black friend despite saying horribly racist things and acting like a racist person. They hid behind the black friend they supposedly have who is probably more of an acquaintance who tolerates them lmao
@@Chelle8847 I will say I have literally never heard anyone say that they "can be racist" because of the race of the friends but only ever that they "cannot" be racist because they have friends of a specific demographic that would fit their argument. perhaps people say it more often where you live?
Yep. Really grossed me out as a survivor.
â@@DelaneyB.444.77Same, it's like when you try to explain your trauma to someone who's never experienced it before and they say "Oh yeah, I was whistled at on the street so I *totally get it!"* đ
I didnât walk, I ran here!! âDonât want to waste our most fertile yearsâ. Ugh. Iâm already triggered by these 2
Yo same
Literally so disgusting
Omg that phrase brought me down here to rant. How does one 'waste' their fertile years by working? Are those hours ones you would otherwise be getting impregnated? Isn't your husband also working those hours? đ I guess we can be thankful she didn't use the word Ripe
When I got pregnant with my daughter at the age of 37 and went to the OBGYN, they labeled the pregnancy a "geriatric" pregnancy and I honestly felt a bit shamed like I was "too old" to be having kids...I do realize that scientifically there are fertile years, but putting such an emphasis on it can be hurtful, implying that once you hit 35 you are basically old as dirt lol
On top of this, when my water broke a month early, it felt like the ER was judging me too like "this happened because you are too old to be having kids"
Thank you for the discussion on trauma bonding and "consent" not always being consent. I was in an awful relationship for close to three years. I always "consented" (or at least didn't object) to things, but always felt like something about it was very wrong. I've been single for 11 years now, and am only beginning to understand that part of the ab*se I suffered.
Chronic health conditions can really f up someoneâs mental health, coming from one person with a chronic illness to another - so please donât be ashamed of your struggleâŚthe world is better because youâre in it! I hope you can make a full recovery mentally, physically, and emotionally - no matter how long it takes, I hope for the best for you, Swoop!
âWe donât want to âwasteâ our most fertile yearsâ ⌠I donât want kids. I want a job that fulfills my dream of helping the planet. Nothing wrong with having kids obviously but thatâs not the path I want. đ¤ˇđťââď¸
They actually think that the only thing a woman has to contribute to this world is giving birth.
Same! Went to college, in my early 20âs working full time in a career I love, while also being religious. Funny because in the Bible, Paul made it clear that marriage and reproduction were no longer part of Godâs purpose for us; but to follow in Jesusâ footsteps. Yes, family is a beautiful thing, but it is no longer our sole purpose on this Earth.
Girl Defined doesnât even follow their own religion properly⌠Jesus befriended and defended tax collectors and prostitutes. They just follow a misogynistic rhetoric and use the Bible to cover it upâŚ
Yeah calling it a "waste" just...kinda sucks honestly. It's a sucky thing of them to say
Leave birthing to those who truly desire to make a family. Stressed out people who are simply stuck with it end up making horrible experiences those kids will take into adulthood and potentially pass it on to their kids.
My wife can no longer have kids, physically. I'm not equipped to properly raise kids and neither is she. We're the aunt and uncle with 2 kitties and two jobs.
No judgment here, by ANY means.
Also, HOLY SHIT, THATS SWOOP'S REAL HAIR?! HOLY CRAP! đąđ
Don't ever let anyone tell you that you have to procreate. I'm 46 married with no kids of my own, why? The negative reasons outweighed the positive in my life. Absolutely no regrets! Be proud of yourself for realizing you're not mom material now. Maybe you'll change your mind someday maybe you won't, but who cares it's your choice! â¤
Trixie said it so well. She's spot on and very clear. I'll add that cosplay is also dress up. Acting is dress up. Drag is empowering, as are cosplay and acting. Watching or participating, they're fun.
As a Christian, I always got good vibes from her. And her take was really good and well worded even though she didn't expect "the Christians" to find her (though she is appealing to an American audience, you are bound to have a Christian in your midst)
I love Trixie-Iâve been a Drag Race fan for a long time. I also love dressing up as characters in shows-itâs acting and thereâs nothing more empowering than dancing and singing while dressed up as Santa Claus in a musical.
Responding to the section at 41:50 in the video: My aunt was one person who comes to mind when you speak of this. She was in an abusive, mentally manipulative, sexually abusive marriage for 25 years. When she did ask for help, her sister (my mom) got her a lawyer and helped her get a divorce and restraining order. I remember my aunt kept changing her mind and saying âno, itâs okay. He apologized.â And this happened for 25 yrs. She couldnât get herself out mentally or physically. When the divorce was final, she spent 10 yrs drinking herself to death bc she didnât tell us he was still coming around and beating on her and stealing her money out of her account. We lived in different cities. I wish she told me. So, yes, you can r*pe your spouse. My uncle r*ped my aunt during their entire marriage. đ˘đ
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When Swoop gets involved you know that crap is about to go down. We love you Swoop!
as someone who grew up in a very religious household before I made the decision to not be religious anymore... it really annoys me when people like Girl Defined continue to do the exact OPPOSITE of what the Bible tells them to do
The religious trauma is so real
so well said. they cause and spread incredible pain, misery, confusion. they are the opposite of God's love.
Don't forget treating the bible like god him/herself wrote the book when it was actually written by old men who used it to control woman and convert others to do horrible things under the name of religion
@@Sassafrass95thatâs interesting. Iâll have to look into that more mainly because youâre a random person on the internet but I think asking questions like that are good for deconstruction of faith. So far Iâve deconstructed a fair amount but like sciences, deconstruction come with asking questions that are generally regarded as true.
@@VibinJivinthey're actually WORSE than the people that are supposed to be "in the world," as they put it đ
Hello, Swoop! My name is Jana, and Iâm a 49 year old ex cult member, who loves your content. I think you are an amazing example of a confident, talented woman, with very informed, and unique viewpoints. Thank you for this. These girls may be victims, too, but theyâre perpetuating the abuse by not addressing it, and keeping the videos up. Keep creating, and Iâll keep supporting you. â¤
Hello fellow ex-cult member đââď¸
Which cult?
Hey! Me too!
What cult?
Cult đś
Victims don't want to be victims. And that shame and reaction is what continues the cycle. Example, I faced CSA and I reported that family member to protect my mother and brother from them. I had to, at 5, testify in open court in detail. It was so traumatizing it is the ONLY thing I actually remember from my younger childhood. That, and (as part of that trauma), that for years after, multiple people in our high demand religion shamed me for "seducing an adult," and that shame led to other members also committing CSA on me saying, "No one will ever believe you twice." And, sadly, they were right, no one will ever believe you twice. Bethy's mom is so toxic and she is creating a space that lets PDFiles (censoring best I can) thrive.
Thank you for the pep talk about women having the freedom to wear what they want to wear. I just turned 30 yesterday. I was born and raised in a very catholic household and since childhood, my mom actively berated me if I even showed a little bit of skin. It wasn't even until after I graduated high school that I was able to wear shorts that exposed my knees (It was shorts that reached about 2 inches above my knees) without my mom berating me. Yesterday I took the courage to wear a beautiful white halter neck crop top that I crocheted myself and f*ck it I don't care what she says anymore. I want to be comfortable in my own body.
Religion shouldnât be used as a tool to promote hate or control how others live. It also shouldnât be forced on others, whether beliefs or principles. This is why people are leaving religion, specifically Christianity en masse.
Sadly it's the main reason I turned atheist.
That's kind of absurd. Whether athiest or Christian, you shouldn't allow the actions of others to dictate what you do or do not believe. You cannot blame people, as absurd and ridiculous as they may seem. Giving up on religion or taking up religion should be your responsibility. It's just illogical to say that people leave a religion not because of the teachings or God, but because of other people who claim to follow the same religion say things you dislike.
I know ppl do affect us. Not saying that. But to believe or not to believe is your choice, making that choice based upon 3rd parties seems ridiculous.
@@charissa6648 Actually it's not absurd.... you clearly have not had to deal with deepcore Christians treating you like garbage if you so much as step one TOE out of line and make you feel like trash for wanting more for yourself other then to fit one solid role that their religion states you should have
Making decision of a third-party when so many call themselves Christians and then they bash so many people who are just gay or trans or maybe cross-dressing and then the racism Iâve seen and witnessed and the abuse Iâve seen a witness so you can say you want, but if I call myself Christian now I cringe because thereâs too many Christians. I know weâre abusive horrible people, so yeah as a whole, I am not a Christian anymore
@@intermediateingrid5746me too â¤
Kristen calling me a sham is the perfect validation I need to *know* that Iâm on the right road
I'm a married Christian mother SHAM.. I have my own money
@@ByeByeBelly yessssss get that bag!!!!!
For 25. years I was "trauma bonded" to my abuser. Only now I can see the red flags. this relationship started when I was 18. Now at 43 and after having a child with him, being a single mom, except when he had to show off my daughter (I say my daughter because unless forced or showing off that he is a "good father" he has had nothing to do with her.). March 24 I finally blocked him on everything and told him off. So for 2 months I have been free. Im still lost and don't know who I am. Because my who adult life my identity was with him. I can say im a survivor but that's it at this point.
I've been known to say that I had Catholicism shoved down my throat as a child. It has made me a person who holds a set of beliefs instead of a religion. What bothers me most with RELIGION is the intolerance for difference.
In a petty way, I hope my old church members see me and gasp - I am who I am, who I want to be, and you didn't wear me down. I survived you.
Just thought I would point out that in order to be damaged goods, one would have to be considered âgoodsâ, as in merchandise or possessions,to begin with. You arenât merchandise.
100%, we are not items, we are human beings, but as I continue to dive into feminism in all it's facets, I am starting to realize... did we ever know how to value people outside of being "beneficial to us"? Like we normalize transactional language when talking about people and believing in "tit for tat". I think as humans, human kindness should have elements of "tit for tat", but also elements of "pass it down" without the expectation of something nice back.
Example: going out for food with a friend. You offer to pay this time with the understanding your friend will get you next time (tit for tat). While waiting in the drive through, the person in front of you pays for you and your friend's order, so you choose to "pass down the kindness" by paying for the next person's meal.
I am a Christian, but donât recognize Girl Defined in myself, my mom, my grandma, or especially my daughter. I got married in 1998 but had the âobeyâ section removed from my vows. As I told my fiancĂŠ at the time, I would never say that because I didnât want to lie in church. Still happy 25 years later, and my hubby has shared my dreams and helped me persue my goals to the point where I earned 2 Masters degrees in my field. When we decided to have a child, due to my MS my hubby always took the night shift so I got plenty of rest. If you marry, marry your best friend and always support each other to live the life you both dreamed of!
Im so glad Dave is reconstructing!!!! It made my heart happy when he announced it â¤
You know. People would be a MILLION times happier if they stop focusing on and judging how other people choose to live.
I'm a Christian and I was taught that it's not my job to judge people. If people aren't living the way you perceive God wants them to live then let God take care of it. He is the only one who can judge.
I cannot stand people like this. They are giving Christians a bad name and making us all look insane and judgemental.
I'm curious on what your opinion for the Christians who legit think the bible was written by god? As in like the deity himself wrote the book and thus they have to follow every thing in that book to the T to avoid going to hell
Totally came here to say this. People like this, are why people run from religion or any form of personal faith. People have to learn how to allow people to find their own beliefs, respect them and move forward.
@@Sassafrass95 I personally think that is crazyâŚâŚâŚ
As a fellow Christian, I def agree with you and was raised the same way. The thing is, we have to look deeper. Because some denominations are focused on some things over others.
Like some are focused on evangelizing which is amazing but is very overwhelming. My denomination is not focused on this. Itâs primarily these more outspoken ones that differ from your mentality or my mentality of ânot judgingâ. From what I was taught as a kid, we shouldnât force religion on people. The Holy Spirit calls people to become more curious about faith and we are supposed to be there when someone asks us about it. Help guide them.
Ofc this can be taken to extremes which I dislike like forced conversion. But yeah a lot of people misinterpret ânot using Godâs name in vainâ. Misuse of the Bible is kinda included in that iirc.
I think all we can really do is continue being good christian witnesses. Most people know ânot all Christians are like thisâ, but itâs good for us to be representatives in conversations like this.
I concurâđž
It has taken all of my 50 years to break the religious oppression I grew up in/around. The shame and guilt we are taught to feel literally makes people sick. Having a daughter myself I can not imagine trying to tell her that her place in life is to submit to a man and that her body is not solely her own. Thank you for discussing this.
The fact that Swoop is able to handle all of these topics with such grace and sensitivity is everything. Especially with everything she's personally experienced firsthand. I'm so impressed with this doc and so of your content. Much love to Swoop and the team who brings these docs to life!
Not me thinking that swoops intro about abstinence was going to lead in to her saying "which is exactly what these women's parents should have done!".đđđ
Watching now. Please take care of yourself Swoop - remember that Valid ribcage applies to you too. You are so very loved. (Team, please relay this message to her on behalf of us. Thank you. â¤)
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Agreed 100%. Thank you for this. We love you, Swoop! Take care of our badass queen, please!
It's truly horrifying how shameful these faiths make girls feel đ¤Śđťââď¸ so much ick, it makes my stomach curdle.
Itâs not the faith, itâs these dumb interpretations of it. Real Christianâs know Jesus hung with prostitutes and all the kind of people that people like this like to act like he hated. He may not have agreed with their lifestyle but he never shamed them for it. And for dumb bitches like this to lay so much importance on virginity like it gives women more value, or to shame women for not waiting, in the name of God frustrates the life out of me. Purity culture is a cancer to Christianity! I say this as a Christian, pastorâs daughter and former missionary.
How THEIR form of faith makes girls feel. Christianity is meant to UPLIFT women, it was revolutionary because women were no longer expected to marry and reproduce to âfulfill Godâs purposeâ, but to follow Jesusâ footsteps- married or not. When Jesus resurrected, the first people he saw and told to spread his word were women. And he told us to not judge, he befriended snd defended tax collectors and prostitutes.
These fundies are the actual worst depictions of Christianity đ¤Śđťââď¸đ¤Śđťââď¸đ¤Śđťââď¸
People involved in purity culture r more obsessed with "the big s" than those not involved in it. They make it define them.
Who you love, how you dress, what you do in private is absolutely nobody's business. The measure of a person in their heart and soul, it's in the sweet and generous manner of how they treat others when no one is looking. New Swoop fan here . I'm blown away by Swoops grace and humor and she has become as necessary as my morning coffee. The best part of waking up os Swoops and coffee in my cup. Peace all!
Its great seeing larger channels covering these two... I am a Christian who lives in Texas...
.we aren't all like these two.. these two are dangerous to young girls, amd new christian women.
Not all of us hold so much hate in our hearts for people.. not all of us victim blame s.a survivors....we aren't all trans/homophobic..
(seems a lot of these so called christians have conveniently forgotten that Jesus said... love everyone....he didn't omit others...and he didn't stutter)
A lot of us are just trying to do the best we can out here...
As a texas Christian woman....WE DON'T CLAIM THESE TWO
Texas Christian here too- we do not claim them!
much love to you and yours, swoop! take your time and best of luck on your diagnostic journey. thank you for everything you do! i hope you can find some peace and hope among the chaos and trauma. you deserve all the love from those close to you and especially from yourself. you are worthy of everything you tell us we are worthy of. you are a legend, swoop, just like you tell us we are. thank you for all the hope you give us- i hope you can find that hope for yourself too
So sorry to hear that about our precious Swoop. Glad sheâs taking time off to heal. Sending love đ hugs and prayers.
They are a perfect example of the blind leading the blindâŚ
To me, theyâre wolves in sheepâs clothing.
Theyâre worse than that; theyâre the blind blinding others.
@@AutoPilate who make all those red pill podcast bros smile with glee. Disgusting. đ¤Žđ¤Žđ¤Ž
We take children to pantomimes every Christmas in England, where men perform in drag.
Nobody finds it offensive.
Often, local celebrities, am I right?
The weird thing is that there is actually quite a lot of anti-LGBT sentiment in the UK, but nobody seems to make the connection between all the fun of the Christmas panto and drag shows. I've said to myself for ages that drag is just panto for the other 364 days of the year! Haha :)
It makes me sad that women feel Bethany is their best choice for sex ed. She has absolutely no expertise, and no knowledge about evaluating the expertise of others. Women deserve better.
My thoughts and prayers are with Swoop. Don't rush your recovery and take good care of yourself! Much luv to you and yours
I hope Swoop is OK and she can heal. Idk what to say. She is such a strong person and hearing that she has to go through all of that breaks my heart. A digital hug with tons of love goes out.
When a friend was jumped and assaulted on her way home from work, she called me and I took her to the police department and a detective literally asked what she was wearing. I gave her clothes when I picked her up because that man (who was a coworker of ours) had ripped most of her clothes off her body. She was wearing scrubs when it happened.
there was an exhibition of real outfits women were wearing when they were assaulted and most of them were big ugly hoodies and jogging pants. If someone is looking for a victim they 100% won't care what they are wearing.
You make me feel so loved and accepted with every video. you've taught me things about my past abuse I've never been taught and consoled me more than I've ever had. You're a v needed person đ¤
Swoop... sending so much love and positive vibes your way. I'm so sad that you've had to endure so much. I pray that you will heal in every way, over time.
Hope you're doing OK. Watching this right away. Much love and well wishes
Why can't more people irl be like Kurt Wagner when it comes to practicing faith? The man is respectful of others, he lets others be, he doesn't shove his faith in your face, and is incredibly open minded and kind and compassionate and forgiving. He helped other people vs ridicule them. He let others of various faith be. The people who write for Nightcrawler seem to understand the Bible better than most Bible thumpers.
Because unfortunately kindness and understanding doesnât pay the bills for people like Girl Defined. Now Iâm not saying theyâre grifters because I think they truly believe what they preach. But letâs be for real theyâd rather take money from hateful people and ideas
It's about power. It's not even about the faith aspect. It's used as a weapon of power.
Or Mr Rogers! He was an incredibly devout Presbyterian Minister up to the day he died
I rather be Remy Lebeau. A lax dude.
I would argue that most people are like him, but we like to chit chat and call attention to the annoying ones that are in our face. Not that it's a bad thing, we should be calling out people who are annoying (unless you think a person just existing is annoying then that's an internal problem with you).
Literally triggered by all of this⌠being raised in a Pentecostal family I went from having religion shoved down my throat and being made to feel guilt for wanting to be like other girls my age to now having family that speak about how myself and my cousin are going to âhellâ because of our life choices. And this is why my husband and I no longer attend a church. We have never been able to find one that loved us for who we are and not what we look like⌠I just canât with this. Thank you for bringing light to this darkness that is clearly is not coming from a loving place as the very god they preach about teaches them.
I hope you are holding up ok, Swoop! Thank you for continuing to put out quality work and giving people the space and grace to learn and grow. I think anyone who shows potential for growth deserves the space to explore it without judgement.
I hope every fundie gets to a place where they can admit that they've said or done hurtful things in the name of their faith and seek forgiveness for those actions in a non-perfect way- though I have more hope for some than others.
Expecting complete awareness and perfect atonement from these people is too much, it discourages their growth. They don't deserve without the atonement, but we also have to accept that atonement may not always look exactly how we want it to or happen as fast as we want.
You are so beautiful and kind, thank you for your videos.
Her dog acts like a 'girl' dog.. what does that mean?!? She does the dishes and mops the floors? đ¤ˇââď¸đ¤Śââď¸
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All my female dogs have humped stuff, and only the female ones đ¤
â@@ByeByeBelly our female dog, on a few occasions tried to hump our leg as well.
I have had a few dogs over the years, mostly rescues. Two males had very strong parental instincts and loved looking after puppies. One female that had a litter before she lived with me, loathed puppies. Tbf she loathed most dogs and preferred them at a distance apart from my elderly Jack Russell. I had another female dog that acted more typically male (as much as dogs do, which isn't much). Oh and if you go for a walk in the country it's not unusual to see cows getting romantic with each other. Yes I mean cows, not bulls and cows đ.
Oh and in my back yard I have a pair of male blackbirds that have set up home together. I've seen them chase away at least one female blackbird. Nature is pretty comfortable with being gay and gender fluid.
âWe know and are close to people who were assaultedâ gives off the same vibes as âI canât be racist I have a ____ friend!â
Im a survivor of SA and R⌠what I went through was horrible and I still suffer from PTSD from it. It doesnât make me damaged goods. It makes me a complex human with complex emotions and a complex past.
Also as a bisexual I can say the agenda is real.. itâs not sneaky⌠unless forgetting how to teach bisexuals how to recognize flirting is sneaky. But I can reveal the agenda does include taco Tuesday.
Lmao recognising flirting is a superpower we were not blessed with đ
SWOOP... the side bars were unreal... your intellectual analysis is so spot on and so well thought out it astounds me. Thank you for not being a ''run of the mill'' creator. My mind is rejuvenated, breaking from mindless prattle and insignificant content we're subjected to, every time you deliver such well researched and presented works of art. Get Well, Stay Strong and Petty... Thank you. We Love You.
Queen of Perspective and Nuance! You are Valid! Wishing you all the love, comfort and peace during your own journey. Took me a Long time to take my own cheerleading for others serious for myself..... it is a process. 40 years with type 1 diabetes. I am human. Good days and bad. We Each have a story. We Each have a perspective. Along that journey, realize everyone is going through something, don't judge or assume. Listen and learn. - Much love to you, Swoop!
As someone of a Christian faith, people like this really sadden me. Our religion is entirely built around being kind to others, no matter if our belief systems allign. Spreading hate and anger isn't going to help anyone, not you, not the person you are hating.
Seriously!! God is love. But they seem to forget that.
All of this is learned behavior. It's so very disturbing and disappointing that this behavior and beliefs still remain within the Christian society. There continues to be tons of Bible beaters and narrow minded thinking among people such as these. Swoop, my deepest thoughts for you and know that you are loved⤠Keep trying to move forward in your own way and power through with healing⤠Love you and your channel ⤠Thx for everything you do đđ
But abstaining from sex before marriage is something the Bible does instruct Christians to do. I donât judge the world on my faith, but if someone calls themselves a Christian, they should try to obey those instructions. If theyâre not a Christian, this does not apply to them. Although I believe, even secularly, monogamy is the best option. And you should commit to a lifelong partner.
@@brendanbeanparker5302 Butt thatâs the thing about the Bible, not everything is to be taken so literal. And it was written during a time where they lived completely different. Abstaining from sex until marriage isnât for you or anyone of us to judge on. Thatâs between them and God. No one else.
@@kaysimatherly5715, except the Bible has not changed for centuries. People now interpret it to coincide with what brings them pleasure. Itâs a selfish interpretation, and far from the character of God.
Calling SA a difficult âseasonâ to walk through is craaaaazy. As someone who has gone through it more than once, this is something you live with.
I think itâs different for everyone. I was raped but it hasnât psychologically impacted me as much as losing my mother to cancer, now that made me want to die
Thank you Swoop Team for posting her finished work ⤠Please let her know that weâre all hoping sheâs healing and finding peace. Sending love and comfort!
Much love and healing to you Swoop! I love your documentaries. Your oft-repeated "it's not drama, it's dangerous" made me change how I thought about public figure scandals and bring more nuance into examining how a situation can grow and fester into something awful and question how it can be avoided to begin with.
Thank you to Swoop's team for producing / completing the projects that were underway.
Swoop, hope you are receiving the care, help, love & healing you deserve. I'm so devastated that this year has been such hell. TAKE YOUR TIME, FRIEND.
This is the first time Iâve heard the Girl Defined Girls described as lolcowsâŚ.
Iâm here for this.
I hope youâre taking some time for yourself to heal. â¤
All the love, support, and blessings for Swoop and your team! You deserve it Honey
Love to Swoop and her team. So many people are in your corner. Take the time you need to recover. I am sure I am not alone in deciding to go on a Swoop watching binge of your previous content in your absence Stay strong. You did nothing wrong. We are here for you!
My thoughts and love for Swoop as she recovers and heals.I hope the perpertrator of this assault is held accountable
As a gay person who can run very fast, i have so many ideas for a gay race đâ¨
Haha i like this reframing
Hey Swoop, I really appreciate your perspective questioning here. Lately Iâve been grappling a lot with how much grace to give those who have problematic and sometimes hateful views. Part of me believes each person is responsible for educating themselves, but the other part of me has trouble blaming people who have only ever been taught and fed a certain way of thinking.
Thank you for the video to Swoop and her team! Hopefully everything is alright soon, but there's no need at all to rush back, I can wait đ
Hoping you have a swift recovery!
As someone whoâs survived religious abuse/ trauma; Thank you so much for covering this topic Swoop. I remember how their videos reminded me of my trauma and made me relive it. You covered it more thorough then any other creator Iâve seen and I really appreciate how you help so many affected by those who you cover with your platform. Sending so much love â¤ď¸
I'm crying over your high pitched FEEDELY DEE at the 13 min mark đ you know it's serious!
Your sponsorship for the Raycon earbuds made me pull the trigger on getting them when I lost my other earbuds charging case and WOW! I *LOVE* them, your opinion was absolutely right thank you for sharing a quality product with us! Sending all the good vibes with everything you have going on, I hope things get better for you soon!
I get very concerned when you do these docs because of all you have fought your way through, I hope these never hurt you and you take time for you after these harder videos. The sadness in your voice numerous times is heart wrenching. Thank you for covering the hard things Swoop!
Reminder that being Christan or religious isn't the problem, but that being hurtful and violent is :)
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Exactamundo!!
Debatable. As she said, religion is not a monolith. It's indisputable that religion has both good and bad parts. No religion was created with the intention to do bad but not admitting that there are problems with blind belief in teachings that are thousands of years old is idiotic and dangerous.
In my opinion if you see religion as a source of growth through objective studying from a spiritual, political and historical point of view then you are good, but if you literally believe in imaginary beings and abandon logic and empathy in favour of blaming demons for illnesses and for avoiding taking responsibility for your own actions... Then you are clearly part of the problem.
@@purple66666 totally get you and agree!! By the way to any future person replying to this person, pls watch what you say :3
IVE NEVER CLICKED A VIDEO SO FAST!!! (Grew up in Christian fundamentalism)
EDIT: ok after watching, thank you for your compassion and nuance approaching these topics đđŤśđť loved this!
Me too. So glad Swoop is exposing these two clowns.
Same collect so fast
All fundamentalist religions are dangerous and cult-ish by definition. Fundamental beliefs all but garunetee abuse. How can anyone read what Jesus said and interpret any part as... well, hate people who think differently than you or that it's ok to judge others, is beyond comprehension
Same! It was awful and took me many decades to recover, still suffer with it at times. I finally had to let it go.
All our love to Swoop during this difficult time ⤠thank you team for continuing to help her create content for her community we appreciate all she does and all you all do
hi! Purity culture trauma survivor here! girl - phew...this documentary was needed! in a day and age where girls were compared to crushed rose petals, or chewing gum, or a dirty white glove that was stained that no one would ever want if we had sex or even so much as looked at a guy that we liked, i grew up in the days of "i kissed dating goodbye" by Joshua Harris, who has since apologized for writing that book because it has harmed more people than it helped. i saved sex for marriage, and my first husband - was a godly, looked up to, youth pastor...who abused behind closed doors, spiritual torment (the bible was soooo twisted against me, used as a weapon), verbal and emotional trauma. for 9 yrs, i was the doormat, the submissive godly wife who did everything i was told, and followed every rule i had ever been taught - and yet STILL was abused. i finally worked up enough courage to divorce and leave, despite being told "divorce was a sin" at that point i didnt care. I followed God, and look where it got me, who cared if i got divorced at that point?! i am now remarried to an amazing man, who treats me as his equal and is my absolute best friend. thank you for making this documentary - those of us who were harmed by purity culture, it was nice to know we werent crazy.
Your content is freakin awesome!!! As a woman who is turning (omg) 60 in September, you are helping me heal and understand things⌠if youâre doing that for me, I can only imagine how much you are helping the younger ones out there in this crazy world!!! Thank you and please keep doing you!!! You are inspiring and incredible!!!! đđ˝đđđđđ
Virgos rule! âđźâ¤ď¸
Their head bobbing, tilting, and nodding with each other is hilarious to watch đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Girl Defined needs as much coverage like this as they can get. Thank you, Swoop!
I know someone exactly like this. Something happens to them and suddenly they have all the compassion and understanding.
This is perfect timing considering the recent graduation speech given by the chiefs kicker
Okay I want to have an *HONEST* conversation about this- so he was invited to a catholic university, by a Catholic administration, and his entire speech was espousing his Catholic faith. I am considered Catholic, but after the disgusting behavior exhibited by the entirety of Rome, my faith has all but vanished. However, he didnât say anything I read or heard that was wild or heretical- at least not as compared to the outrage Iâve seen. He praised his wife and espoused his love and admiration for her, made a point of telling the attendees thereâs nothing wrong with aspiring to be a SAHM, called out absentee fathers, and talked quite a bit about Catholic faith. I just donât understand where this weird disconnect has come from what he said and what people believe he said.
Seriously, I just watched Rachel Oates go through that last night so I'm all primed for this too
As a Catholic, I love that other Catholics spoke out against him.
I think you, me, and most people can agree he mostly used that time to rant on about social changes that he dislikes. Probably because nobody else wants to hear him ranting. Like women having careers *le gasp!* like sir you are paid millions to kick an oval. Calm down. None of these women are threatening your career đ. Also accusing women of climbing the social ladder and promotions. I came from a secular school. Heck i came from the evil business school and nobody (men, women & other) was thinking that. Weâre all just thinking âI wanna make money have a house and exist in this economy đâ. Maybe 2% were evil greed chasers. So I highly doubt that the women in a Catholic school are thinking about climbing the ranks.
I actually donât think itâs bad to be like âyour greatest accomplishment is to be a mother and wifeâ but you have to dish that energy to the other side. As a society, we have a problem with absent fathers. Tell the men to be good fathers and husbands but nah. Ofc he was like âmen donât listen to the propaganda of todayâ. Sir youâre the only one with the propaganda. Most of the older men Iâve talked with have noted their greatest accomplishment is being a father and husband as well (well the ones that arenât divorced). Wouldâve been totally cool, not sexist, and Catholic if he dished the energy both ways.
Anyway, the nuns associated with the school (interestingly their patron saint is St. Scholastica) said his speech doesnât align with Catholic values which I agree with.
@@maddiemcnugget1076 I gotta say it was the "stay in your lane" part that galled me the most. Saying that to a school full of people with hopes and ambitions to start their lives sounds like you're telling them they're not allowed to be successful, they have to be mediocre because they're not allowed to do anything outside of the predefined box they were born into. Horrendous thing to preach.
â@@maddiemcnugget1076agreed
- Fellow outspoken Catholic
"If Marilyn Monroe was Christian, she wouldn't have unalived herself!"
Or, mental health and addiction was something people silently struggled and died from back then way worse than now. Or she was assassinated, depends on who you ask. Either way, making that assertion is ridiculously tone deaf
Just started watching the first few minutes of this & former Mormon here.. these girls are INSANE and I'm so happy you're doing this doc and I'm excited to watch all of it!
Swoop talking in italian is something i never expected to see this morning but HONEY keep going!!đ Italy loves you girl, Ti vogliamo bene tesoro!!
My Mom (the grandma who raised me) found out I was having S when I was 19 or 20. She said she'd failed raising me. I told her she'd raised me since I was 3 & I don't drink, smoke, do any drugs, so if all I did was have premarital S, she'd absolutely succeeded