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I have a friend who is schizophrenic and highly religious. This sounds like a lot of conversations he and I have had.
Are y’all still having conversations like this? Because for me it would only take one, maybe 2, conversations like this to tell me to take religion off the table for discussion
He is my friend and I only push back a certain extent as I know what his issues are. Love the guy but I do have to cut our talks off at certain times.
He is my friend and I only push back a certain extent as I know what his issues are. Love the guy but I do have to cut our talks off at certain times.
@@joeely6817 I’m sure the same goes for politics lol
I also have schizophrenia and have had religious themed delusions at times, tho even at my most delusional did I ever have the experience of belief in a literal God or anything supernatural.
With delusional content, I advise it most helpful not to argue or over engage the topic. You lack the capacity to doubt the delusion while delusional. It's most helpful to briefly hear the thing and then change the subject to other more mundane topics.
Like, "Ah I see. OK. That sounds stressful. Anyway what would you like for lunch today?". Because you lack the ability to doubt the delusion, but you do have the ability to not think about it for now. Everything everywhere will seem consistent with the delusion being true.
Imagine that you alone believed that you are awake right now and other people are awake and exist. You can never prove it, but you just know it has to be true. You can't even imagine it being false that humans exist. We're humans after all. Arguments about it are just upsetting, make you want to argue it more, prove it. Yet other people act like nobody in their right mind believes humans exist (despite themselves obviously being human). Whether you are a human reading this comment on CZcams, or just a god having a dream about a world full of humans, things will work out for all of us better if we just don't think about it too much. Dream world or real world, it works out better if we engage more on topics other people don't find to be delusional. You couldn't prove reality is non-dream based anyway if you wanted. All evidence examined would point to the delusion being true, but only for you. Best not get obsessed about it or life will pass you by.
I happen to believe reality is real, we're awake in real life and only people awake can read comments on the internet, but hey, that's just me.
It's nice that these atheist shows are posted for us on the internet, isn't it? I am drinking coca cola today.
I don't think he answered a single question he was asked
The hallmark of many theists...
he's got a home made magic 8 ball and just shakes it up after every question
@11:17
Jamie: In your everyday life...do you use evidence outside the Bible?
Rob: I'm a painter. I'm a musician. I drive a car.
Jim side-eyes Jamie
Jamie: Uh... ok.
The way he talks about Africa absolutely riled me up. He genuinely thinks of it as a lesser place with lesser people. But without the education system of Johannesburg, I'd be dead, because that's where the Nigerian surgeon who saved me went to uni. I couldn't have carried on talking to him.
Absolutely. I also loved the “Scandinavia is in the middle of nowhere” comment. Ah, yes, the place I can fly to in 50 minutes from the Netherlands… MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
Yeah. It annoys the hell out of me too.
What is even worse is he thinks the problems in Africa (which he even calls a country) are because of a lack of religion, when colonizers actually forced their religions onto the people there and Africa is more religious than the Western countries by far. Of course on average, Africa is less well off financially and educationally than the West, but it's not just uniformly underdeveloped and miserable.
I’m a picker, I’m a grinner, I’m a lover and I’m a sinner! But I’m ashamed to say, I’m not a painter!
Yes!
Steve Miller.
The Joker.
Greetz from Amsterdam.
🇪🇺🇳🇱
Thank you Maurice, whoo whoooooo...
Rob spouts lots of rhetoric which he thinks makes him look smart, unfortunately for him it only confirms his density.
Rob is, at once, both sad and funny.
He's driving me crazy.
I forgot how nutty this dude was, what the actual f--k is he talking about?
He is a flat earther aswell
Doesn’t want to go into the past, but wants to quote the Bible. 🤦🏽
I was literally thinking the same thing! Just shows how muddled peoples thinking can be
Rob sounds like he's been surrounded by lunatics all his life.. 😕
He lives in Long Island, so yes 😂
@@johns1625 he lives in America, so yes 😂
I hear they all gather together every week on Sunday for a few hours.
it’s depressing that in 2024 some ppl think africa is a country
Exactly! The continent of Africa has 4x the number of people of the US. Mercator map doesnt help
And that Scandinavia is a country. And that it’s “in the middle of nowhere”. Unbelievable.
This call is from 2018.
But you are still right.
Why should we know about the birth place of humanity it's not like it's important 😮
Why is it depressing? It is a categorical error made by somebody else. The idea of a country is just that, an idea, abstract, and don’t physically exist. Can you define what a country is?
Is the sky blue?
Yeah, well, you know, I do like squirrels.
“…then strut around the chessboard like it won…”
It is very sad how religion can damage a person's ability to think for themselves.
Nothing will change his view. He will doubledown until he's dead
I'd like to apologize on behalf of other Robs from NY. This one lost his membership a while back, but he still pops up now and then.
♫ _When you're a Rob from NY ... you're a Rob from NY _*_fer life!_* ♫
At some point you should just ask him for his name, or 2+2, just to see if he's capable of hearing and answering a question
Even if he does hear the question he would not be able to answer 2+2, be fair and give him a less difficult question.
"Never believe or trust an organisation that has only one book" Billy Connolly
Rob‘s sophistry is infuriating, and I wish the hosts had told him that earlier.
I really liked how Jamie kept asking questions, but not in an antagonistic way. He seemed to be sincerely trying to understand the caller. Active listening is an underrated aspect of communication and sometimes I think social media isn't helping. This was an exception! I hope callers notice.
How long should you keep asking questions and making great points before you realize that the person you’re speaking with is impervious to common sense and reason?
I would argue that Jamie reached that point 15 minutes in.
What’s the point of even humoring someone who i would argue is mentally ill?
How do you have a productive conservative with someone when you can’t even agree on the simplest of proven facts, like in science and/or history? I would argue you can’t
Jamie was always the best
What nonsense. The caller was incredibly dishonest and should be called out.
@@waynedexterI don’t think he’s mentally ill. I think he’s indoctrinated, dishonest and disingenuous, like almost all other christians.
If Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden, how would we be able to visit the pyramids today?
Guarded by cherubim and a flaming sword. Don’t find any of those in Egypt.
Yeah. Where are those dudes?
It's such a dumb story.
Adam and eve had no idea what right and wrong was...so they are from the tree of knowledge/good and evil.
And then were punished for doing something wrong...when god didn't give them the ability to understand that it was wrong.
Dumb 😂
He made 0 sense
Is Rob like…okay? He seems to be completely unable to have follow the conversation on a basic level. Aside from his apparent cognitive deficiencies, he’s also seems to have never spoken to someone to actually disagreed with his worldview.
Must be burning mushrooms rather than a bush...
I don’t wanna get into stigmatizing mental health but he consistently doesn’t realize he isn’t talking about any subject
Yeah, I definitely think he's intellectually disabled. He may have other mental health problems, but I'd say this conversation demonstrated a serious lack of ability to think rationally on his part.
Religious thinking makes me so sad. Listening to Rob breaks my heart, not because he's so unique... but because he's not. I know so many Christians like this. In some ways, I WAS this kind of Christian.
And also just very deeply racist.
Jamie is one of my favorite hosts. I’m glad he’s back on the AXP.
This is a throwback episode..
@@user-sd5go4rr4i yes but he occasionally hosts ACA Sunday shows either TH or AXP, that's what this person is referring to
@@ARoll925 Not sure how you know what they are referring to. That is almost god like. But thanks for speaking for someone else.
@@user-sd5go4rr4i I actually read what they wrote, it seemed like you misunderstood what they were saying, or you said something irrelevant, either way it was obvious you didn't get what the OP was saying
@@ARoll925 Thanks for speaking for them again. Let me know why I should give a shit. May as well think for me also. Or move along.,
Having conversations like this with people that are this lacking in mental capacity, is simply a waste of time. It's identical to arguing with a child about their imaginary friend.
The key is to not let the conversation get too broad; don't introduce too many new ideas, but keep it focused on what _they_ say and examples they use. This is a teaching technique called scaffolding -- using their own experience and jargon to alter their understanding. You're trying to rewire their existing ideas, not completely tear them out and install yours.
False equivalence with the use of the word 'identical'. Had you of used 'similar' that would've been ok.
@@CycocelVocalistyou understood what he was saying colloquially. Why be so pedantic? What did you add?
The irony of Rob talking about the mental deficiencies of African countries.
I've heard a lot of wild calls over the years, but I don't think I've ever heard a caller say things that are quite so disjointed.
I'd suspect he has some issues that have nothing to do with religion.
I suspect you're correct. This call was wild. The caller certainly appeared to have cognitive issues, including an inability to answer very clear questions.
you guys are good. patience is a virtue. I was laughing too hard. well done
that was amusing ... and sad, of course, but what can you do after a point.
He was brought up in a religion the same as his parents the same as those parents and the same as those parents. Plain and simple and they can't look critically at their brainwashing
I don’t do drugs but after hearing this conversation I’m going to rehab😂
Rob who.clearly has no idea about what he is talking about.
Am I having g a stroke? Or is this guy not answering anything and just talking nonsense
"I have proof of God" >>> Let the dancing commence.
"you want physical proof"
Of course!!!
It shouldn't be difficult to provide if Bible God is so prominent.
Israeli scholars say there were no Israelis wondering around Egypt.
They couldnt find any evidence of ancient Israel. Zero
My recent journey with discovering my autism and listening to these conversations, as well as navugating my relationship with a christian, it really feels like the problem is like a fundemental difference in the understanding and use of language. The abstract idea part that we assign to words is just different between religious groups and atheists. The conversations have to be super slow to build from the ground up a shared understanding of language and abstract ideas. It's just so hard to not get sidetracked.
If Karl Pilkington was a Christian...
🍊
"I'm on my own journey in life" = "I'm too lazy to go to church"
Boom
Ethiopia is a very religious country thought to be the resting place of the arc of the covenants.
Also the country that God starved most of the devout population so that atheist pop stars could try and save them
Poor Rob is one conspiracy away from a mental breakdown.
This dude should run for president. How is not a lifelong American politician?
Time for a bong hit!
This call made me laugh multiple times
The Bible was written, revised and edited many times BY the religious FOR the religious.
The last thing it is; is truthful, reliable, unbiased, impartial or a neutral source.
Imagine if I wrote a car's owner's or a nuclear reactor manual using parables, metaphors, and allegories.
Both stupid and incredibly irresponsible eh?
But when people's deities do the same in their holy books, they see no issues.
“A theist is just a dim light bulb you haven’t disposed of yet.” - William Butler Yeats
When your car stops running, rolling to a stop and the gauge reads empty, do you use this "as evidence" to conclude your car is out of gas, or do you consult the Holy Spirit?
Pyramids are from the garden of eden......woooooow 🤯
Apparently God was so angry that after kicking out those 2 ingrates, he threw out the furnitures too
Two people, an apple tree and a talking snake. Somehow that requires 3 pyramids and a sphinx to accommodate. You'd think a modest 2 bedroom cottage would have sufficed.
This is the crap we have to deal with. NYC PARKS DEPT. Existed before the Pyramids. BELIEVE ME I WAS THERE 😊
I hope Rob reads these responses
The ignorance of the caller is breathtaking.
I believe, therefore it must be true😂
How strangely bizarre.
You guys should make a Rob from NY supercut of all his calls to all shows 😅
was Rob's tactics being just moving the goalpost again and again and again to a point where people would forget there is one at all?
"I'm not really concerned with whether or not you know the bible well"
"Ah I see, you want to know the number of times I've read the bible"
The garden of Eden was supposedly in what is now Iraq, quite along walk from Egypt.
I've always wanted to see the Great Pyramids of Giza. I hear they have those in Iraq now?
Scandinavia isn’t a country Rob. It has been inhabited for at least ten thousand years. Long before religion. What the hell does “they’re a people unst of themselves” mean ? This guy struggles to construct a coherent sentence, let alone making an argument for the existence of a god.
i could’ve sworn they spoke english natively in new york?
Wow... Rob isn't firing on all cylinders.
Over five thousand years of claiming they have proof of an imaginary God, and not once being able to, if one had proof they would not still be attempting to argue it into being, as Homer Simpson famously stated , "If at first you don't succeed, GIVE UP, no point in carrying out and making yourself out to be a fool.
I want to know where the angel is with the flaming sword standing outside a wall of thorns to keep man out of the Garden of Eden FOREVER.
If there was a flood, wouldn't the Pyramids have massive water damage inside? I'm pretty sure they were not waterproof enough to survive 40 days underwater at water pressures of depth around 8+ km, being over 78000 PSI
Host: Do you use evidence in the bible for your day to day life?
Rob: I'm a painter, a musician, and I drive a car
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Shouldn't your screener be asking for SAT scores?
Jesus is the King of Glory! This world is not our home. We are going home soon.
This guy is one of the most accomplished trolls I’ve ever known of.
Jamie hasn’t let this guy say a damn thing.
The neopathic age. My favourite age.
Sounds like the IS a fourth participant on that conversation that only the called can hear.
I really do need to believe he's a prank caller as this is funny (scary if he isn't a prank! 😳)
What kind of position is the following? - It would take a lot of work to verify, and I would have to care if what I believe is true.
Does Wonton/Rob still do stuff? I haven't seen him do this or flerf stuff in a good few years.
I know why religious charitable orgs prosper in the USA....tax exempt status. Is it tax exemption worldwide? That would make sense...
Please re-upload the Dark Dawkins or "EF". People need to see how insane he is it's pretty entertaining
Classic episode lol
this sounds VERY much like a chatbot...
The call went nowhere because Jamie’s barely challenged this guy, wow. Why not challenge and ask difficult questions
I thought he challenged and questioned him at every step.
Oh wow, whatever happened to Rob from NY, d’you suppose? 😂
The only thing is said that made any sense was “The Bible is the spark of imagination”
Hosts could have taken control before this caller unloaded his personal Truth. Religions teach that The Truth can be found by sitting alone and closing one’s eyes, no verification necessary.
This is an old discussion, but as the data hasn't changed since then (at least not to a degree changing facts);
I am Swedish, and Sweden has been a country where the migration of people are mostly into the country and not out of it for around a century. And while we religiously lean Christian, we don't mix religion and state to even close to the same amount countries like US do.
Rob is one of the worst masking racist I've heard on any atheist show, and echoes one of the two standpoints racist tends to take. Either Sweden is likened to the "great homogenic race state" that the race-realist tends to throw at Japan more often, or it is an example of what happens when you become multicultural (which is also wrong, ofc).
I should also clarify, as some might not know; Scandinavia isn't cut off from the rest of Europe, with one(/two) of the three(/five) Scandinavian countries not even touching the pennisula of Norway and Sweden but the "mainland" of Europe, nor is Scandinavia cut from the European Union. Bigotry will make you buy into dumb, easily-to-disprove BS like that.
Every time Rob said anything I said wtf
It never ceases to amaze how theists constantly talk past other people and are literally incapable of having a fucking conversation
Since they have been bearing children...?
OMG I'm sorry this is just agonizing.
Rob is basically saying it's all make believe.
This guy is mental!
Well then explain Gobekli Tepi. What was going on in Cambodia? How about Mexico and Central America? South America?
Is it me or did Jamie humor this dude for way too long?
Who the f**k let grandpa use the phone?
He said a number of problematic things, I wonder how it went on Discord.... And I have not heard of any paper being signed by Jimmy, so I guess that the numbers thing did not pan out... 😂
People might laugh at this guy but his arguments, or lack of rather, is no worse than any other apologist.
And that’s why we laughed at them all 🤨
Is this a saturday night live skit???lmao
The caller basically made up his own religion
All The Best Apologists Have Long Island Accents.
Ameicans are stellar in geography😂
What??!!!
Rob is... Wow.
Rob gives the lie to the idea that anyone with a Queens accent makes their ideas sound more believable.
I am actually a Palaeontologist, and focus my research on the ‘Neopathic age’. I’m not, it just a lie!