This Is The BEST BUDGET ENGINE SWAP For A Toyota Celica.... | Over 300HP From A Minivan Engine???
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- This 1998 Toyota Celica does NOT get enough attention. This car has a unique drivetrain that is UNHEARD of in this chassis. There isn't a single video out there on any information involving this swap. I personally had to overcome multiple obstacles to get this engine swap to work, and after it had been completed, it was actually very simple! I want to provide a basic & brief overview of what is involved in installing a 2GRFE engine from a Toyota Sienna, and a E351 manual transmission from a Toyota Camry in a 6th-generation Toyota Celica! Any specific questions on what is involved, feel free to leave a comment down below! Thanks for watching!
A Great reference for the wiring involved in this swap.
It is not a direct swap pin-by-pin, but it's a great way to get an idea of what's involved.
• 2GRFE MR2 SW20 Install...
This is where I got the ECU tune, as well as the intake.
frankensteinmo...
#2grfe #toyota #car #celica #3sgte #mechanic
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01:57 Why go 2GRFE?
02:55 How does the ETB work?
03:33 More Revving
03:56 More details about the engine swap.
10:13 Final Thoughts
You're a good speaker. Interesting video, I didn't realize I was watching a small channel at all.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!
You are a Toyota wizard and are full of resources. Love the fact that you’re shouting a lot of 2az references as I have an 09 xB. Can’t wait to see more of your builds!
Thank you so much!
I wish i had to knowledge, confidence, and time to do what you did for your celica I got the convertable and love it too death but this build not only for better power but also helps the car run better makes me wish i could do whay you could. Love the build
It honestly was very cheap, if you needed any help I could offer, in order to get you to swap it,I’d be more than willing to help!
Duuuuuuude im loving this! Im getting the itch to buy my 3rd 6th gen celica, but I want it as a toy car, I can modify and swap something more peppy than a 7afe lol, and this sounds like a great option, its either this or a j32a2, or a k24a4/2, but im liking this, stock around 300hp, id be happy with that, and not have to deal with turbos, or super chargers, and keep it reliable, but fun
@@TCreatorO thank you! I really appreciate it!! It’s a fantastic drivetrain and can be done for quite cheap if you pull the engine/trans yourself! Thanks for watching!
Bro you're gonna make the prices of everything go up with all these underated secrets 😂
This is such a fun car to drive! The update on the car is coming soon too. We got everything working as factory now!
They are extremely underrated. I personally love the way it handles and drives
Just talked to you on Facebook about this. Really wanna do this swap and now that I learned that the Scion XB transmission fits. That makes it way cheaper. My car is a 94 so I hope that doesn’t make the wiring totally different
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. It’s a fantastic drivetrain for the car. (These are lighter then sw20’s by the way 😉) So it MOVES. I’m discussing the axles in the next video, as a lot of people were asking about it.
Now my question is how similar would all this be for my 5th gen, I’ll have to take a closer look at it 🤔
Pretty much the same process as the gen 6, you’ll need to modify the stock mounting bracket for the engine side. Drill two holes in the frame rail, and weld a nut OR a stud through the bottom. Which ever flavor works best for you. I can’t confirm if there’s enough hood clearance though, but there indeed has been multiple 2GR gen5 swaps completed!
We will be in touch. I have a 5th Gen I want to do this to. Will need to buy the pedal and prob other stuff from u
AWESOME!!
i have a 99 celica. i want to rip out the rear and put a v8 behind the driver seat and make it RW drive.
my car has 240k miles on it. if anything explodes ill keep this swap in mind
its.... JCAP, look at you, being recommended to me. congrats kid
Thanks Dan!!
7afe and 3sgte shift cables are the same. So get yourself 94-97 celica st shift cables for your E351 transaxle.
What transmission does the Celica ST have? If that’s the case that’s great news! The issue with the Celica GT cables is the lip between the cables are slightly bigger. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@WiseGuyzGarage the transaxle fitted on the 7a is a C series type. However that is irrelevant, a friend of mine who installed E56 into his st204/ST202 chassis used C52 (7afe) cables and had no issues. I cant confirm on this 100% but i do believe him. im using this for my E series conversion
I will definitely keep that in mind! Thanks for the tip!@@justintowers8230
Excellent video
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!
@@WiseGuyzGarage I've got a mk3 supra turbo, this video makes me want to go turn some wrenches. God bless brother.
@@elmeatopopsicle3309 I’m glad to hear! Go get after it!!!
Love the video and it help alot!!! Due you have a stock ecu from frankenstein motorworks? Also due you have costum gauge or oem and if you can explain more about the engine harness how you wire it to the oem fuse box it will help me alot. But this video really solve alot of problem, i am doing this swap in my 6gen celica. Thx for your help and i will love to se more videos.
Thank you very much! I really appreciate it. So for the fuse box wiring the key point is to stick to the OEM power sources if you can. O2 sensor to 02 power, ignition to ignition power, fuel pump power to fuel pump power, etc. Just make sure you use as many as those factory wiring sources as you can to keep it as simple as possible. Frankenstein motorworks video on wiring the RAV4 harness into the mr2 is very similar to the Celica. The only difference is some of the fuses are in the engine bay fuse box in the front right corner, and some of them are in the cab fuse boxes. Otherwise the process will be exactly the same!
Okey thx you
You Forgot about axles and I guess fueling but overall good video just wish we could’ve been with you during the process
I wish I did more recording during the swap unfortunately. There was a boat load of trial and error, and I didn’t want to record something that wasn’t going to work. I will be doing a follow up video on the axles, fuel system, and a few other odds and ends that would need to be addressed! Thank you for the suggestion, and watching the video!
@@WiseGuyzGaragealso for the drivers side Mount will the e153 mount that FMW provides work
@@mcld4214you know I never tried it before! I have one, it’s in use in my MR2. Whenever I can get to it I’ll let you know!
What axles were used?
i will proceed to do this right now
I love to hear that! If you get stuck, join the FMW discord, it’s extremely helpful.
@@WiseGuyzGarage preciate it joining now
wheres a link?
@@WiseGuyzGarage
Wow, cool swap! I don't agree on being superior to the 3sgte though. It might be smooth and what not but what about the sutututuuu and the punch when the turbo kicks in...then again I am biased since I swapped a 3sgte(gen4) and running it for 3 years now without any issues. Cool though, I wonder if the E351 tranny would work with the 3sgte...the S54 is the weak point for now.
The e351 has been swapped in on mr2’s with 3sgte’s in them if I remember correctly!
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I need to see 1/4 mile time take it to the track buddy very curious on what it will run
That is in the plans for the near future. I’m super curious as well, because it’s lighter then an mr2 but it’s also FWD. maybe it’s mid to high 12’s?
I'm just very curious because there's a guy in my town with a 2gr swap Celica as well and it ran a 14.7 1/4 which is very sad because that's what I run in my 1mz swap celica lol 😂 the power the 2gr makes it should hit a low 13 all day
@@strictlyyodagarage4939 you aren’t kidding that’s terrible 🤣 my brothers 2GR Camry manual swap is faster then that lol. Maybe you drive the GR Celica and give it a go? 14.7 in a MZ is pretty Dang quick.
It's a pretty decent time for rolling off the line I still have the s54 transmission so I can't launch it hard but it is fun not as fun as my 3sgte swap Celica but very fun
@@strictlyyodagarage4939 ironically the previous drivetrain was an s54/3SGTE. It was fun but it felt like it ran out of steam around 5500rpms. It also felt like it needs time to decide when to start pulling too lmao
Great video gonna subscribe too
Thank you I really appreciate it!
What ecu do you have? Is it stand alone or piggy back. Or what. Im wanting to do this swap on my 97 st. But stand alone ecus are gonna be one of the most expensive parts it seems
@@TerpsandTurtles. This is a stock 08 Sienna ECU flashed by Frankenstein Motorworks!
Dam I wonder how this would work with my 2nd gen rav4
I’m sure there’s a way to get it to fit in there. The 2nd Gen RAV4 engine bay is simmilar to the model after. Ironically I think the passenger side of the car I believe has a similar design too! I figured out mounts by looking at other engine bays that look to be similar shape. In your case the newer rav4. Also look into the scion XB2. There engine bays are almost identical.
Also just found a guy who’s doing that exact swap. Check out “guidotuned” on instagram!
I apologize if I missed you noting this, but what did you use for exhaust manifolds? Did you use Mark's 2GR FE headers/manifolds that he sells? Thank you for the reply.
No need to say sorry man, i appreciate you taking your time out to watch the video! Marc’s cast headers don’t fit cars with a power steering pump. I’m trying to see if there is a smaller power steering pump available that could be installed that clears the header itself, or if grinding of sorts would work. Those headers would fit perfectly otherwise. The ones that we put on the car are stock is250 headers. They were just cut to the flange and a custom y pipe was made. Hope that helps!
@@WiseGuyzGarage Thank you for the response and information. I appreciate it. I am going to be buying a 97 Celica next weekend and this swap is going to be the direction I go with the car. So this type of information is invaluable. Thanks again
@@troyhodulik5542 absolutely! If you still need help, feel free to message me.
Were you able to bolt the E351 right up to the 2gr or did you have to get the Wilhelm shift shaft?
Great question! So the E351 bolts right up to the 2GR, once you cut a little part of the bell housing off. No need to convert the shift shaft to run it.
❤🥰🤤😚🥹🫠 Celica
i want this lol
HIGHLY RECOMMEND it 🤣
So the front mount is a camry mount with an XB bracket for the motor side?
@@danielusaf good question! The front mount bracket is a Scion XB mount and Scion XB bracket also, we haven’t tried the 88-91 Camry mount but that *might* work with the oem bracket. The front mount for the Celica is NLA
@@WiseGuyzGarage another question. Are the brackets on the e351 side the e351 brackets or the s54 brackets?
@@danielusaf So you only need the Stock S54 rear bracket and the XB mount in the front. You can get away with the E351 rear bracket from a scion XB as well. There is no Side bracket like on the camry on the celica chassis if that makes sense?
Do Yo know if the 2GR bolts on to the 3SFE JDM transmisión?.
And does the 2gr has any VVTI system i need to know that to choose the Right Standallone ECU for that.
And it Rev to 7000 RPM? Do i need any other mod For that like Oil Squirters?.
Stock 2gr bottom end has been revved out to past 8000rpms. Valves start to float give or take around 7300rpms. Some of the very late 2GR’s used valve springs from the 2GR FKS that would allow them to rev a little bit higher. The s54 does bolt up to the 2GR. Just get an upgraded clutch. The 1mzfe flywheel works just fine on the 2GR. Best standalone for the 2GR is the haltech 2500. It’s what Frankenstien Motorworks uses for his 2GR. He also offers a tune for the aftermarket ecu. Hopefully that helps!
Will this fit a 1995 Celica GT?
If it’s a Gen 6, then yes!
whats the cost of the engine and trans?
So the engine and transmission we both pulled from LKQ. It was 750 for the engine and 350 for the transmission
for the e351, does it require st205 shift cables like the e153? or did you manage to use the gt cables
Surprisingly no, what we did is just take a giant washer, stuck it in the gap between the clip, and the actual shift cable bracket and forced it in. It worked perfectly that way. I am curious to find a better solution, maybe the original tc ones might fit? Just got to get some measurements still. But for now, the stock s54 ones work that way lol
@@WiseGuyzGaragethanks! also, i have a question you may not be able to answer. im assuming since the e351 is narrower, thats why you chose to use the scion xb bracket, but how similar is the stock s54 bracket? for example, do you know if the scion xb mount fits in the s54 bracket? im wondering if its possible to use the s54 bracket with the scion mount to have a better condition front mount since the oem celica mount is discontinued..
@@vibrantsy so the narrow E and the s54 are simmilar in size, we just used the xb one because that’s the mount we used in the front because the oem mount was SHOT. I’m sure the oem s54 bracket could work but that might need the oem mount unfortunately
@@WiseGuyzGarage i feel like mounts is the worst part about these cars. i have 2 celicas and the one i daily drive has aftermarket mounts and they are SO bad. TONS of vibration and shifting feels horrible because of the engine movement. thats the main reason i figured i’d ask, because those scion mounts are plentiful but the celica ones arent. i’m considering going to the junkyard to grab one to actually see how close they are.
@@vibrantsy The scion mount is also more robust, it's twice as wide also. The only thing is you have to drill a hole for the front portion in the subframe cross bar, and we just tack welded the original hole shut so it now runs the XB mount permanently, and if needed to replace it's the same procedure as prior.
I need to figure out which trans to get for my sw
Sw20? I used the e 351. I made a video on converting the shift shaft as well
Im been looking for a while how to do this on a tercel chassis
I’m sure the same principle could be applied. I believe the tarcel mounts similar to the st204, so in theory, you could mix/match brackets, and essentially build your own mounts. I saw the tarcel can fit a 2arfe as well too! Something to consider. They can make 230whp with bolt ons.
He'll yeah great I'm gonna make that happen the only the hold me its the welding part, the wiring I can do it I did install a piggyback by myself on that car and wideband so I think I can do that
@@AdinSLaboy you could most likely get away with zero welding, in theory if you use a similar style mount on the drivers side you could use a bolt/nut to hold it in place through the bottom of the frame rail! Just use a step-bit and slide the nut up there with some thread locker and that would essentially be the same thing!
@@WiseGuyzGarage perfect 👌
Would this work with a 7A-FE Celica (the 1.8 one)?
If that 7A-FE celica is manual, yes it will work. Even better actually, due to the shift cables working better for the E series transmission. Thanks for watching!
@@WiseGuyzGarage No worries, thanks for the video
The 1.8 7A-FE has different motor mounts than the 5S-FE, so that wouldn't be an issue? (I'm guessing you'd have to fabricate them all yourself anyway?)
Also, does it matter what year Sienna the 2GR-FE is from? Or would it be the same to get one from a Camry for instance?
In the near future I'd want to attempt to swap the 1.8 out of my Celica (horrific engine, absolutely 0 power haha, makes a lot of noise without actually going forward faster), but am going back and forth between a 3S-GE or based on your video the 2GR-FE
Would you be interested in doing a video potentially going into more detail on the full swap?
@@blinkachu5275
So there are a few things to consider before moving forward with the engine swap itself. Frankenstein Motorworks only tunes a specific set of ECUs to delete the immobilizer. 2GR-FE ecus are usually referred to as either 5 plug (early Avalon, Highlander, and sienna models) or 2 plug (later Avalon pre 2012, 07-11 Camry, 2012+ Sienna, and RAV4’s). He can only tune specific variants of the 5 plug ecu, and the 2 plug ecu. No Sedan class 2 plug ECU can be flashed due to the immobilizer restrictions.
I’m not sure if he still tunes 5 plug ECUs anymore but I’m sure if you produce the core he would do it. (No guarantees)
Now that we have that all out of the way, here is the second thing to consider.
Oil cooled, or non oil cooled.
Oil cooled engines are typically in SUV variants of the 2GR. For a car like the celica, the oil cooler isn’t really worth it. I recommend a FWD sedan of some sort, post 2011 model if possible. Early 2005-10 models of the 2GR had cam Phaser issues that can show up on a random strike of bad luck.
Wiring harness from sedans and SUVs differ in length. The harness in the video is from a Toyota Sienna. I’m not exactly sure if the 5 plug Avalon harness would work. I *believe* the harness from a 2007-11 Camry would work. You would just need to find a pre 2012 RAV4 ECU for that harness, and swap a few pins around.
The most optimal harnesses for the car would be from a 2GR Toyota RAV4, or a 2011+ Toyota Sienna. Not only are these going to be the cleanest options, (visually) but they are the longest, and provide plenty of slack to allow the plugs to enter the firewall.
Now the mounting situation, you just need a XB2 Front and Rear transmission bracket, and a STOCK s54 transmission mount. The great news is if you don’t want to buy a used upper transmission mount, the mount Frankenstein Motorworks Sells for the MR2 SHOULD work for the Toyota Celica as well. I highly recommend replacing the front engine mount with the isolator from a Scion XB, as it is much more robust, and will last a lot longer. Since the rear mount is still available for a 94-98 celica GT, we just ran the stock one. The passenger side engine mount that supports the weight of the drivetrain, you NEED to get the engine bracket for a RAV4 specifically. The FWD variants that use a strut torque mount brace, ARE NOT DESIGNED TO HOLD THE WEIGHT OF THE ENGINE!!!!
That mount requires 2 holes to be drilled into the frame rail. I HIGHLY recommend two really long bolts that would go through the entire frame rail, instead of just welding a nut like we did. It’s much easier that way.
Hopefully this all helps.
I plan on making a follow up video discussing the swap in a lot more detail!
I’ve got a couple questions.
What and where are the easiest places to source the engine and transmission
Will I use the stock ECU from the sienna? If so, does it have tuning as I know you really can’t tune the 5sfe.
Will stock axles work and will they hold up?
@@Oliver_stick junkyard is your best bet for the engine. The S54 won’t hold up for tooo long unfortunately. The diff will start eating itself up. You use a stock sienna ecu that is flashed so the immobilizer is removed and a rev limit increase from Frankenstein Motorworks. Hopefully that helps!
@@WiseGuyzGarage Gotcha thanks, I found your videos on axles after I posted the questions so got that figured out. what ECU did you go with? I'm also reading things about a immobilizer computer and antenna. Did you have to do anything with that? or did you get the 2 plug ecu out of the rav 4? As for transmission it seems like some people go with e351 or e153. it seems like e351 is easier and cheaper to get, is that what would be best? I've been researching a lot on v6 swaps and if you could compare this swap to a 1mz how much more complicated is the 2gr swap. From your video it seems fairly simple. Thanks
@@Oliver_stick the ecu is from a 08 sienna. Best ecu options are from a 2011+ sienna ECU. It’s referred to as a 2 plug ECU. Frankenstein motorworks offers the ecu, tune, and immobilizer delete for 545. Pretty much ready to go when doing so. No immobilizer needed after.
@@Oliver_stick now the transmission, I recommend using a E350/E351. Much cheaper and more readily available!
@@Oliver_stick the 2GR is simple in my opinion. You can use a RAV4 v6 passenger side mount and just cut the adapter plate down. Then just drill two holes in the frame and you’re done. Wiring is only 25 ish wires to get everything going, including the gauges and whatnot. Exhaust for both engines are about the same difficulty.
Curios how address the fuel setup and did you upgrade the fuel pump or stock is sufficient ......im assuming your running a FMW tune ecu? Does your stock tac work?
The stock fuel pump won’t work sadly. It has a walbro 255lph in there for now, but I might swap it out for the 06-11 Avalon fuel pump. Those are much quiter. The actual fuel pressure regulator at the moment is from cutting a 3sgte fuel rail and drilling and tapping fittings into it. Now you CAN use Wilhelm Raceworks kit for the Mr2 on the Celica, it should work just fine. The ECU is from Frankenstien Motorworks. You can swap the tach out with one from one from a 96-98 Avalon, and it works just fine. You just need to swap the little board that’s all!
@WiseGuyzGarage awesome thank you......when will your pedal bracket be available? Also how much did you have to grind off the rav4 motor mount spacer?
@@user-jo7qw7xm3c I have the pedal bracket available, my 3D printer is down at the moment unfortunately. I can’t say off the top of my head on how much was grinded down, but it was just to let it sit flush with the frame, and the engine to be level. It took a few tries but eventually worked out perfect!
What transmission do you use ??
It has a E351 Manual transmission from a 2002 Toyota Camry
Hey man awesome build. What is the 2gr motor out of? What did the motor run you?
Thanks! It’s a 2008 Toyota RAV4 mount for the V6. The engine cost 480 ish bucks at LKQ!
@@WiseGuyzGarage wouldn't be to easy for a first time build huh? I have a 1mz and it costs wayyyy to much to make little power. I have a 2000 solara and would love to swap it but everything I wanna swap it with intimidates me
@@E.Z_DOES_IT yeah 1MZ/3MZ engines don’t make good power. They handle boost well though. You’d need a fully built 1MZ to make 2GR power. This engine was drop in the celica basically. I’m an Admin on 2GRFE Swapped Solara/Camry on Facebook. Ivan has a 01 Solara that he 2GR swapped and it’s insanely fast, and sounds incredible.
@@WiseGuyzGarage I PMd him. I'm a member of the group. I'm brand new and intimidated by that swap. If there was alot of custom fabbed stuff I don't have the shop to do it
@@E.Z_DOES_IT I think he combined a lot of factory Toyota mounts to make it work honestly. I don’t recall a lot of fab work. You’ll need the Toyota Avalon fuel pump from 05-11. The stock v6 one isn’t enough
Now I’m really thinking about putting a 2grfe on my celica. Btw you have a Facebook page? Got a few questions to ask you bro. If you don’t have or email works too.
discord.gg/frankensteinmotorworks join his discord. I’m in there all the time. I’m Jcap130!
Man i wish i kept my 5sp Celica