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I think the assault scene was supposed to undercut Morty's adventure; Morty wanted to prove they could have light-hearted fun but the universe is pretty cruel. They go to a fantasy land but killing the giant turns out to be tragic instead of heroic like in a fairytale. As much as Rick seeks out trouble he's not responsible for everything screwed up
I've never seen anyone react this way to this episode. I can see in the comments that others have pointed this out but Morty's innocence is shattered and even Rick takes notice of it and gives Morty the win because he needs it. The universe is a cruel and chaotic place. This fact is the basis for Rick's world view.
Also Rick and Morty is much more than a fun sci-fi cartoon comedy show. It will get dark. Rick absolutely is a nihilist and it impacts the plot.
The deeper meaning is the assault broke through Ricks nihilism and showed a rare moment of compassion. All the important character devolvement in this show uses very dark themes. Showing darkness does not need to have a moral lesson, that would cheapen what the show is doing. The show goes out of its way not to be preachy.
Does the darkness in our lives need to have meaning? Does life have meaning, or should we not fumble for meaning like the meeseeks? Can you be as powerful and jaded as Rick and still care? Does God/the universe care about us at all? These are the major running themes of the show.
I have a long standing theory. Rick is Morty.
1. Rick was against this adventure
2. Tried to end it at any point he could
3. Stopped trying to end it, after Morty was attacked
4. Changed his tune and became supportive
5. Knew what happened, and who did it
6. Killed the king when Morty was not looking
7. Started saying that catch phrase (if you know what it means).
@@eyallev That last point drove this theory home for me. Even the ending of the recent anime short; i just wrote off as an alternate timeline and not ours. The fact that he starts saying it after all of that; really sticks it for me.
these are some of the**
Otherwise, this
@@mimoe7587
just for fun, here are a few others:
rick takes morty's parents to a space marriage concealing place, not knowing what happened there, but from morty's point of view, his parents came back from that place, pretty good together.
pickle rick: as a result of that adventure, rick made a friend, and in the closing credits, rick tells morty "and that's why you don't go to family therapy", which is why, rick made sure, he won't be going.
first ep' in season 2. rick saves morty, and when he is all alone, he say "be better than me"
when we are introduced to the council of ricks, rick says he needs morty, because morty's brain waves complement his own. this made suggest they are the same frequency, just different phase (i.e. offset in time).
the planet music ep'. rick had no idea what type of song to do, until morty showed up. why? because only with morty there, he could know what song to do, because he needed morty to see him do it.
Maybe i'm misunderstanding you. But your first sentence makes it seem like nihilism and compassion is mutually exclusive. As a nihilist and a highly compassionate person i think that's bollocks. I do not believe there is any meaning to life, the universe or consiousness... BUT at the same time i get deeply hurt by watching other people getting hurt. Me believing there is no meaning and there is no afterlife does not prevent me from feeling the suffering that other living creatures feel.
What I think the King Jellybean scene is for is to show Rick really cares for Morty. Rick's reaction to seeing Jellybean bruised and putting two and two together with Morty's changed attitude sparks his own change in attitude to help Morty feel better. Then Rick kills the guy.
You can see that Rick knew something happened with the mean look at the stair bar and he wanted Morty to have a win and finish out the adventure.
He also takes the precaution to kill him after Morty is back home as not to traumatize him more
About the assault scene: Morty, wide-eyed and naive, goes looking for fun adventure, but several times meets harsh reality. Just when Morty's illusions are brutally shattered, Rick finally stands up for him.
Why did we "need to watch it"? Because it's part of real life. To me, Rick and Morty is about serious issues, usually the "dark aspects of life". It is a comedic show, yes - but it is NOT a sitcom! The comedy is used to go to dark places!
At the same time, this assault scene is an important moment in our perception of Rick and his relation to Morty - behind all the sarcasm and complaining, there's something else.
This is one of my favorite scenes in the whole show. I think it's very, very well written and executed.
I just love the detail of Rick immediately realising what happened with that look, and then blasting that bastard to pieces.
I think that scene is there for two reason.
Morty wants a fun, light-hearted adventure, but is met with the harsh reality that the universe is a cruel place. I also think at the end, it shows that even though they may fight and argue, Rick still cares about Morty more than anything. He sees King Jelly Bean leave the toilet stall, and Morty is upset, so he puts 2 and 2 together, and kills him.
Couple fun facts. Mr Meseeks was also voiced by Justin Roiland and King Jellybean was voiced by Tom Kenny, the voice of Spongebob Squarepants.
I think a little piece of my childhood died the day I found that out
@@christianwise637 why?
And to further ruin childhoods, he's Ice King from Adventure Time and Mayor/Narrator from Powerpuff girls. He narrates Spongebob as well.
i think the scene has three reasons
1) its still a taboo subject. The show is not just a comedy show. it also brings up things to discuss about (sure mostly sciene fiction things) but also stuff like this. The show want to break up this taboos that people understand that sexual assault is there. In our world but also in rick and mortys world
2) The episode begins that Morty wants to become more self-effective and decide things for himself. Most of the time Rick decides everything. I think this scenes should also show that Morty still need Rick as a guy who protects him
3) and it shows a new side about Rick. Rick was always the pure egoistic guy who used Morty to reach his goals. But after his we see that Rick also care about people and understood what happened allthough Morty didnt say what happened. That he has more empathy that we think about him
sorry for my bad english
There's a lot of good reasons written down already for that scene, and hear me out about why some find this scene humorous. It's not funny because assault is funny, it's more the juxtaposition between a character called "Mr Jellybean" which is a happy, child like character giving out the stereotypical kiddy advice in that Barney the dinosaur voice, to the sudden serious switch to the most horrific thing he could be. It definitely doesn't work on everyone, and I'm not saying I was on the floor rolling around laughing at it, but that sudden switch is sort of a shocking funny sequence. Fair enough if it doesn't do anything for you and certainly doesn't make the complaints about it mean any less, but just thought I'd give that perspective on it
I can get Paula's criticisms. When something like this is included in a 20 minute comedy, I can definitely see how it can be jarring and why you might question why it's in there.
It's interesting to note that the show doesn't dwell on it and to an extent, it is realistic. Morty fighting back makes sense because, well, it's a greasy slimy alien, not another human. Him not wanting to talk about it also seems eerily realistic. And how he reacts later seems entirely genuine.
Including this in the episode might just be about calling out the people who deny that these things happen all the time, which might be something of a wake up call for some.
But what do I know, right? Why include anything in a work of fiction other than to illicit a reaction from the audience?
My personal opinion on the scene in question is that there was no story reason. It was unexpected. It was out of the blue. And as such, it was life like. I've never experienced sexual assault so I can't say anything from personal experience nor have I any true insight on statistics or anything of that nature but my understanding is that most cases are... out of the blue. Yes I know most cases involve a trusted figure betraying that trust. I'm not arguing that. What I mean is that I feel most incidents, regardless of perpetrator, are without warning. No red flags, no storm clouds on the horizon, no sirens and flashing lights to warn you Shits about to go down until you're sudden neck deep in the deep end of the fucked up pool.
It's dark. It's gritty. And it's reality. The scene, to me, for what ever else was intended, drove that point home. That no matter where you go and no matter how innocent things seem, how light and pure, there's always darkness and corruption. And just cause you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't see you.
I had an experience with sexual assault as a younger teenager and also fought back my attacker like Morty. I appreciate this sequence in Rick and Morty. It illustrates the actual experience in an effective and sensitive manner.
The Rick and Morty audience is mostly younger men, who are most likely to be awkward (or have backward views leftover) about pedophilia and sexual assault so it's good to show them in particular how it might look.
TNG, Avatar and Rick and Morty?! You two are on fire with watching some of my fav shows.
I don’t know if Paula will be very comfortable with the next episode...
I would love for them to watch more shows in line with Star Trek, great characters and writing that promote discussion but also stay in line with both of their levels of comfort. I would love to see Buffy The Vampire Slayer for instance, where in episodes with scenes like the bathroom scene of this Rick and Morty episode do happen but it is 100% clear to the viewer why they are there in the story and these moments are actually discussed by the characters
They should watch Firefly
Reminder what is the next one
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they swap dimensions after destroying the world. super nihilistic
she was fine with it just watched it on patreon
I think you could say that even though Morty fought back and got away it didn't remove the trauma he feels from having experienced it.
I think, without spoiling later episodes, it might be a good idea to reiterate that while being a comedy - the show delves into serious territory too?
But I enjoyed the reaction, respectful discussion & explanation!
maybe the point was when you see something horrific like that, end it, perhaps with an explody raygun.
We do need Judge Dredd out there on the streets.
I think the scene was important for multiple reasons, but mostly to show a different side to rick. Normally he would have a walk it off attitude if morty complained, even when he broke both of his legs. Now when he realized what had happened, and what this had meant to morty in the first place. he knew something had to be done. You can even see this when rick saw the jellybean leaving the restroom. He initially didn't want to leave, but on a dime decided to get morty his happy ending. At the end, rick gave morty his happy ending, and then got morty his revenge that he wouldn't be able to do.
I thought it was a take on the English TV personality Jimmy Savile. Especially the post credits scene (kinda bummed you don’t leave in the post credits scenes) where it’s keeping his dark secret a secret from the people who only see him as the benevolent jelly bean king. Jimmy savile was a predator but was a beloved children’s entertainer by those who didn’t know until the details came out late/posthumous in his life.
I suppose that may be the point of the two scenes. If one lives a public life of good intent yet hide secret life of immorality, depravity, and other dark deeds, does the good one does absolve one's sins? Is it better to shine a light upon the grave injustices done by one who can no longer pose a threat or to let the deeds done in the dark stay lost and forgotten in time? Ultimately, it is a morality question and there is no clear cut correct answer as morality is a relative thing. What is good for the spider is bad for the fly. My right may be your wrong.
I think the assault seen highlights the dark gritty randomness of reality. How seemingly innocent and pure moments and intents can be undercut and ruined seemingly out of no where by the vileness that lurks within the snakes shadow.
The Post credit scene top me calls into question the gravity of the consequences of such a moral dilemma. Should the sins of one's life tarnish the virtues of dead or should the deads deeds be laid bare before the living when there is naught to be garnered, for the living hold no power over the dead and vengeance cannot be taken from a dead man.
At face value, this show is weird and bizarre and funny. But scratch that layer just a bit and it gets deep
I love how these two shows are so opposed to each other in terms of tone and outlook. Avatar is a light-hearted show that thrives on hope and optimism, and features kind and noble heroes who grow and change over the course of their adventures. And on the other hand, Rick and Morty is dark and brutal, showing how the universe is cruel and messed up, and our "hero" is a nihilistic arsehole who only ever looks out for himself.
I'd argue this is main reason *that* scene exists. To demonstrate to Morty that the universe is full of cruel and unpleasant people, and Rick is not the only source of that chaotic darkness. It also serves to illustrate that in spite of all the cruelty and narcissism, Rick does have a heart, and while he doesn't show it often, he does care about someone other than himself
you guys didn't react to the end credit scene, it ties in to rick and morty's adventure in the episode
I agree with alot of the rest of the comments; having been someone who has survived a one time encounter with sexual assault and limited experience dealing with it otherwise, I just take it as a real moment that actually happens, is one of the first times in the show there seemed to be some real connection and empathy from Rick, and I feel as though it would take something as serious and real as that to break through to some sort of empathy in a guy like that. This was the episode that as soon as I saw it, sold me on the entire show. It - to date - is my second favorite episode, not being overrun until late season 3.
Meeseeks need a safe button or you should always say your wishes with a loophole like "I want to be popular, unless I say Bye Mr. Meeseeks three time".
LOVE Rick and Morty! I never thought I'd have no fun at all watching it. Thank you for making that happen. 5 episodes in and it's been a bit of a downer. Maybe this ain't the right show to react to.
I think the scene worked well for character development to show rick cares and tries to save morty from a jaded outlook after he was so positive, and rick didnt feel the need to prove he was right that it was gonna suck because he cared more about morty. If you were to avoid anything that would offend or trigger people then you wouldnt have a show, as theres gonna be people triggered by almost anything. You gotta just write what you wanna write thats what i think.
To me it's that it happens, and, more often than not, it simply is never addressed. The victims often bury it and don't deal with it either because they're not sure how to bring it up, they're scared to bring it up, or because, when they do bring it up, they're brushed off. It's surprising how often mothers, in particular, refuse to accept the words of their son(s) when they say they've been sexually assaulted, possibly because they can't accept that they failed to protect their child. And, finally, by NOT dealing with it in the show it's clearly started a discussion on the subject here, and, presumably, the same has happened elsewhere.
One problem of the social phenomenon of Rick and Morty is that the writers are so intense in how much they think about the show that sometimes the show can be like an in group and they forget how audiences will take it. Which is part of why so many R&M fans online are so terrible and take the wrong lessons from the show. Rick is not a hero and not meant to be a good person. The fandom doesn’t always get it.
"Oh we're way past that now, Jerry!"
i don´t know what was meant with the sexual assult itself, but the last scene was a reference to the "noble lie", which is a big theme in conservative politics. the idea is that you need a noble lie to justify the rule of the ruling class starting all the way back with aristotle ideal society in which peole would be told that people are born with either gold, silver or bronze in thier soul to designate their roles in society as rulers, warriors or workers.
some forms of this basic idea are still around and i think thats how a lot of people in power justify their own immoral actions, like the church covering for pedophiles in their ranks or the amrican goverment lying to their citizens to start a war.
...I keep forgetting how dark these are.
Yea. Girl on the left didn’t handle that scene in the bathroom well. It hit too close to home or something
@@excessmaterial I know, I keep wanting Paula to like this show. Well, It's dark but it's not real world DARK.
That escalated and went dark fast.
That post-credits scene to this episode was one definitely serious scene.
6:24 That cordination xD
Paula I hope you choose to continue reacting to Rick and Morty after this season because even if you feel it's something you don't enjoy enough to feel like it's worth it, bringing a contrarian viewpoint to a very popular show that some viewers may not think that deeply about is a worthy reason to keep going. Make people confront those issues they may otherwise dismiss as, "oh it's just a tv show." Speak your truth like you did for this episode.
Of course, I hope you do enjoy the show, I'm not giving up on that either!
They are saying pedo's gotta die.
I"m liking this show a lot. This episode reminded me of the film "Run Lola Run" where she has to accomplish a task and gets a do-over. There's a lot of running.
The jelly bean is voiced by the actor that plays sponge bob
This is one of my favorite rick and Morty episodes!! I hope you'll keep reacting to it!
I think the King Jellybean scene is being played for laughs, but not in the sense that Paula means. It's not making fun of or making light of the trauma, but it is intended to provoke the "laughter as defense mechanism" type of humor. The point of dark nihilistic comedy like Rick and Morty is to portray the horribleness of the universe and the trauma within it and then invite the viewers to laugh together in the face of all that horribleness. To fight against the nihilism by treating it as absurd rather than succumbing to the depression of nihilism unchecked.
Moral of this story, don’t hurt someone rick cares about, you will not live to regret it
The reason for the sexual assault season is the explanation he gave, sexual assault isn’t funny but it happens the trauma of the victims is never made a joke no matter how sexual the humor. Later on a character recounts past sexual trauma and while the over all scene or funny the audition reaction (as it should be) is “oh my god are you okay?”
20:51 Respect to Katrina's burp game.
Seeing how you two reacted at 11:00 got me a bit emonotional too.
Loved the "Into the Woods" musical reference.
16:55, well they certainly won't get the message if the message is never sent. so rick and morty sent it.
What Paula said is very important: A lack of struggle *_is not consent._* Even a lack of saying "No" *_is not consent._* A just and decent society cannot possibly require the victim of sexual assault to risk serious bodily harm or even their life by struggling, fighting, or even verbally disagreeing, if they have good reason to believe they are in danger, if they do.
That being said, I don't believe that the show is trying to say anything general with the fact that Morty fights back and escapes. It is just happenstance that, _in this one specific case,_ the victim happens to be someone who is rather often being put into terrifying situations where he has to struggle for his life - I don't think they would want this scene to be read as anything more than that.
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You guys should include the after credit scenes
do you guys not watch the after scene after every episode ? this one was one of the best :/ u cant miss that
Yeah, they watched it, but did not show the reaction due to CZcamss video length constraints.
Yea I think dealing with the emotional repercussions with Morty might have helped that scene feel a little more essential/relevant to the story. Granted the show doesn't normally do that with any of the horrific things Morty has experienced but it also doesn't usually have a tone like that scene.
Paula go watch season 6 of Community!
The reason? Justin Roiland is a decent human being. As a victim of childhood sexual assault myself, it's essentially not more complicated than that. You don't need any explanation, no one does. Rape is always a horrific violation, child or adult, male or female or NB, rich or poor. Human beings help each other out; that is how we survive.
.....this did not age well.....
If you have not seen the Meeseeks music video, you are missing out.
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Always leave it to Jerry to mess things up
I heard the end scene was a reference to the woman on trial who killed her rapist. I can't remember if it was from an official source or someone's opinion though.
Did you guys see the after credits scene??
Justin voices like 50% percent of the cast
ur music intro like our 1990 in Russia:D
10:06 Paula's face is priceless. :O
It is a mix of: "Hello darkness, my old friend." with a dash of "[questions all life decisions leading up to this point]"
As always, good stuff you two. Happy Friday!
*Cough* Michael *Cough* Jackson
Katrina should play death in nieghl gaimams sandman.
Did they watch the post-credit scene?
I think Rick and Morty touch on all subjects. Nothing in this show is taboo. If they were joking about it or condoning it, I think I would personally have a problem with the theme being used. Instead I think the writers used it to show that, Rick may be a monster but he's not that kind of monster, and it's a initial hint of how much Rick cares for Morty. He could have said "I told you so" about Morty's adventure and stuck Morty in the backseat of all their future adventures. But instead he takes an L with HUGE consequences (Morty now having the right to pick 1 out of 10 of their adventures) because he knows something fucked up just happened to Morty. Rick giving Morty that much power is VERY uncharacteristic of typical Rick. And plus I'm sure it was fun for the creators to show the rest of hollywood how they feel about pedophiles. They blow them up with lazers! Plus I think the jelly bean character is also an old character from an old show on their old web channel project Channel 101. Love the reactions!✌
are you skipping the after credits?
Yeah I feel like in this one it's kind of important for understanding that bit of the story a bit more
No, we watch all end credit scenes!
this is why the show is so good, it has deeper meaning. Most fans of the show don't even realize why they love it so much. It's not just because of the superficial fart jokes, it's because there is underlying substance in the actions and adventures of these flawed characters that people relate to. When you start to care for the characters then you've been done in, ensnared.
Mister Jellybean is left over from the Channel 101...I don't know why the felt the need to include it here.
The strong scene may have happened not for a moral dicussion i think. Rick and Morty don't want to pass messages, they take a subject and use it to tell a history and evolve the caracters that are rick and morty. the discussion about how caotic and out of hand the universe can be, even when you start to think you have some kind of control over a situation, and suddenly you just lose it, is the theme of this specific episode, and the way they used to show how Rick being the Main caracter and not the side kick has to get over any situation. you can hope the writers using dark thematics for telling their history, in a way that you may get uncorfatable, but thats their goal because they want to show they get past it and how Rick is a super complex char, that have few moments of empathy. sorry about the big text lol
Sure, the assault isn’t played for laughs, but the assailant is a jellybean, which I will never not find funny.
I'm sure one could find some sort of meets commentary in the choice of using a jelly bean. Sort of a "corruption of innocent" thing as jellybeans are sweet and childlike.
Paula is too pure for this show lol
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When are you gonna continue Doctor Who? Please watch both The Death of the Doctor from the Sarah Jane Adventures (the last doctor related story by Russell T Davies, and Space and Time, the children in need two part minisodes. As well as A Christmas Carol First though.)
Michael Jackson, the King of Pop
@@handl3d we lie to ourselves because we loved him
I had to come back to this because I think I have an answer to your question: why'd they have to do this. The show is based around the idea of showing us unsettling, disturbing things. The cereal commercial parody exists because it's unsettling and disturbing. Almost every gag in the show is built around this. So when they hit on something that was unsettling and disturbing but too real to be funny, they decided that it couldn't be played for laughs, but it was still unsettling and disturbing, which is the whole point of the show. Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody’s gonna die. Come watch TV.
worst episode until season 4 ep 4
This is obviously NOT Paula's SJW type of humor. And that's fine. But as a fan of Rick and Morty, it's getting annoying. Love their reactions in general, but I guess it's because they usually enjoy the shows they are reacting to. It's not fun to watch Paula sitting in judgment as Katrina tries in vain to explain why it's funny. Rick and Morty is not for everyone. It pushes envelopes. It goes dark. That's what makes it what it is, so if you don't enjoy that, it doesn't make you right or wrong, but it might mean it's best to move on.
I was wondering what could possibly be upsetting about the meeseeks. Then I saw it was the adventure land one and then it was ooooh, that.
Very much agree, I would love for them to watch more shows in line with Star Trek, great characters and writing that promote discussion but also stay in line with both of their levels of comfort. I would love to see Buffy The Vampire Slayer for instance, where in episodes with scenes like the bathroom scene of this Rick and Morty episode do happen but it is 100% clear why they are there in the story and these moments are actually discussed by the characters
@@kenj0418 Doesn't even matter if an episode has edgy scenes in it, we are on the 5th episode and she hasn't enjoyed an episode yet. It's awkward as all hell. Just pick a different show that appeals more to her sensibilities. Like Magic School Bus or something.
Idk I'm almost as "SJW" as you can get and I appreciate it.
I think it's just that you have to be in a certain mindset and have different expectations when viewing it compared to other things.
@@williamjeffery8210 How about taking your own advice? If you don't like her reactions, you don't have to watch them.
Absurdist humor doesn’t care about morality
Girl on the right is the hotter Pam from the office
how is being molested by a jelly bean not comedic
You have issues.
it will be next, when they mix serious, drama, funny and horrable moments
its life.
he returned and explode rape animal. not enough?
oke when someone suicide, it is an inner weakness. people think they will make you feel sorry or wait sick attention okee then we must shamed them and show that its stupid funny thing/ more better hug and talk with kids. Its not brave or romantic. One boy crush on my friend, and he say if you will not date me. I will jump from the roof of the house (we have panel houses. 9 floors)
he suffered, whined....she replied that he was manipulating and let him go jump. spoiler
he didnt jump
Clueless.
Yikes! This is awful content! It just feels so cliche and derivative and maybe desperate? Hope you guys improve, there’s plenty of room for it!
My advise: Don't watch this show. Is not for you.