Sig 229 vs HK P30
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2011
- A side-by-side look at two high quality, hammer-fired, double-to-single-action pistols: The Sig 229 and the H&K P30.
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Hey Hickok, I recently found out that we are related to each other!
What’s your favorite 9mm for home defense?
The P30 has to have the best "feel" of any pistol I've ever held.
Rogé Selig until the VP9, (j/k , they’re pretty darn similar)
I agree about the feel of the p30 in the hand.
feel , yes ; trigger - sucks
Feels so good in the hand. Only gun I have that feels better to me is the Sphinx sdp compact
@@mael696 agreed
Every time I search for a gun review, I find one of your videos! Incredible! Keep up with the good work!
Sig and HK make pretty much the best production auto-loaders that money can buy. You seriously can't go wrong with either one.
Yup
Yes indeed.
@John Doe I'd say that they're all great companies and all have solid guns and guns that have their problems (VP9, P320 and P365, Glock 44, Glock Gen 4 at release, etc.). But I'd rank them HK, SIG hammer, Glock, CZ, SIG striker
Walther and M&P pistols are just as great I would say
@@Omar-if1cu no, nothing wrong with either had an m&p, loved it. Wanted the paddle mag release, the p30 melts in your hand, once you touch an hk, you won't go back. Heck if Germans know how to do two things great. Make beer and make things to kill people
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. Very informative and greatly appreciated!
P30 trigger leaves a little to be desired but once you get used to it, it’s really not bad. It’s got quite a bit of take up and reset but it breaks really nice. Also the P30 and particularly the Long slide version are really soft shooters. Used to have a p30, sold it, regretted it and now have a p30L. Doesn’t get much more accurate and of course it is by far the better looking of the two because looks really do matter 😉
I love how you meticulously go back and forth between the two guns, seemingly never making up your mind until the very end. It shows how much thought you put into these videos! It's like when I keep sipping between two great whiskies to decide which one is better, and in exactly what ways.
I had Glocks. Dumped the Glocks. I had Sigs.They collected dust after I bought HK's
N_ R GLOCK ALL DAY BABY!!!
N_ R why was that?
@Focke Wulf "arguably" means it is debatable. That means it is questionable.
@Focke Wulf, I do agree with the sentiment. I own 3 Sigs and 3 H&Ks. I've had issues with 2 of my Sigs. My H&Ks have been nearly perfect.
I loved my cz pistols until I got the HK p30 sk
Finally, a pistol review that is informative and entertaining. This guy is all right.
I'm actually about to buy the HK P30 in .40S&W so this was nice to see another review with it right before hand and to know you like it too! Thanks Hickock!
I think what I like best about these videos, is that it's always done at the same old range. It becomes a familiar place where the same friendly human being gives as straight forward a shooting video as he can produce. And best of all, has a blast doing it. Life is good! Thank you hickok45!
Best videos ever. Thanks! P30 was my first love in to the hobby, many have come and gone but still my P30 has stayed cause once you feel this baby in your hands is like a match made in heaven.
I like the DA/SA because it gives you a very safe firearm. When drawing and firing quickly, striker fired pistols are far more prone to "glock-legging" their owner. Also, a DA/SA pistol is far safer to hold on a person while attempting to control a situation. The DA essentially eliminates the possibility of an adrenaline twitch causing an accidental discharge. The striker fired guns are just a little to easy too set off accidentally, for my taste. That and, no matter how much I try, I just can't like that trigger safety mechanism found on most striker fired pistols. Funny how much conversation there is about how difficult it is to get accustomed to the DA/SA transition and how little there seems to be about how awkward those little levers in the trigger can be.
Thanks
I dont know,I was kind of worried about that at first but that first round in the hk is a hard pull. I have dropped my HK a few times never went off thank god.
@@billyjones9045 Both the Sig and HK cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled. Drop 'em all you want!
@@trident1872 Early Sig P320: let me introduce myself.
@@DPham1 that's because the 320 is a striker fired gun. Sig DA/SA pistols have a plunger blocking off the firing pin so it can't strike the back of a round without pulling the trigger to depress it and also the hammer won't engage the back of the firing pin without the trigger being pulled.
THUMBS UP FOR H&K
Yo
as a lefty, I swapped my mag release on my P226 to the other side and can run it pretty smooth and quick-great vids, thanks for sharing your knowledge-life is good!
Great demo. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience on these guns. both of them are my favorites..
Thank you! I went with the P30.
First time I have watched one of your reviews, nice to see someone that actually has done some range time. You did a nice job, go SIG by the way
I love this channel cuz if i leave and have to start the video over it just starts from the last place i was at! great reviews and great channel
Informative, thorough, no nonsense evaluations. Thank you.
it's awesome to know that sane, normal, intelligent people are out there like yourself to help represent the gun community, Keep it up!
Great video!
I owned a Sig 229. Amazing gun.
Very informative, thankyou very much for taking the time to make this review.
I've owned a P229 in .40 for 20+ years. Great pistol. I just bought a P239 in .357 SIG. I really enjoy the videos hickok45. Thanks!
Well done Hickock, nice comparison. I really like how you tested the double to single shooting on both guns. Thanks.
That 40 makes quite a racket when hitting the steel.
HK P30, John Wick brought me here. :)
Then he moved over to the Glock 34 which....gotta say....Owning two Glocks both in 9mm the Glock 34 to me is the only reason to go bigger than the Glock 19. It looks really cool with the cut-aways and whatnot!
HK P30 and SIG p229 are at the tippity-top of my semi-auto list right alongside getting my Kimber 1911 back or something superior.
(though TBH the Chiappa Rhino 4d which Hickock DESPISES in terms of looks...that's kinda my "must-have" for wahtever reason, that gun that calls out to me the same way the Glock 19 or Kimber Custome TLE 2 did, or Ruger Police Shooter-Six which wound up being the 1976 bicenntenial model which is just great...was given by an army buddy, kinda my favorite carry gun tbh, and it's 41 years old!)
The HK P30 I know would feel great, and I hear both good and bad things about the trigger.
Im personally a DA/SA man (SA, really, if I can go the 1911 route) though I recognize the Glock 19 as the "Go-to"....that said the HK-p30 and SIG P229, can't go wrong. The HK-p30 can be purchased new for the same price of the now pretty dated, yet still awesome looking, BEretta 92fs/M9
Note: the HK P30 Long and the ones from John Wick particularly are at least $1200, the one I saw in this video was around $650, then I saw one for $550, new!
I worked for Kimber, their 1911's are highly over-rated!
I'd love to hear more as a former Kimber owner. Loved mine but I think i'll go for a Springfield 1911...what would you go for (if you HAD to pick a 1911...not sure if you are a fan or not, i presume so..
HK company decided to reduce the prices of the HK p30s and HK45s to almost half the price. so yes you can get an HK p30 for 550$ now.
I respect the hell out of Hickok45 after this vid. KNOWING that YOU need to slow down, respect the weapon, train and learn it, then master it, takes a real man. My hat is off to you Sir.
Have both right now and trying to decide which to keep. Thanks for the video.
After watching this i have an different outlook on guns now. I just seen them as something bad, iv'e never owned one (legal or illegal) but for enthusiasm and if i ever get my own home(for some reason i feel safe in this apartment situation i'm in) home protection . . .i think i'll get one. Taking it to the range every now and again is only gonna make me more aware of it's workings. Nice review here.
" nothing scarier than a man with a gun; nothing more helpless than a man without one " - Godless
I recommend when yoy get for tge first two weeks shooting it every day. Just a magazine or two everyday will get you proficient and safe with your fire arm. And maybe down tge line take a shooting class with it. Not nust a saftey class.
There is nothing worse than someone woth a gun that does not know how or when to use it.
Remember every bullet has a lawyer's name on it.
Saftey is an illusion, when you think your safe thats when your in the most danger. Why? You let your guard down.
Education is the way !
@@derekhall7610 Typing classes can be beneficial as well. Just kidding, Lol.
Haha!! "That's my neighbor shooting. Kind of a ballistic neighborhood." Nice pun there!
Very good point. Never realized this on Hickock45 videos... Thanks for insight.
Great comparison vid! I really liked the DA/SA testing you did.
It's all perspective man, my first and only pistol is a p30l, I find the browning button to be weird. Not saying I dislike glocks or any of those. Dont know what this guys problem is, but I think HK builds some absolutely top drawer pistols.
As a proud owner of a Sig Sauer 229 equinox I'll admit that the HK is just as good as the Sig. Arguing that one is better than the other is like arguing which one is better, Ferrari? Or Lamborguini? In essence it's an exercise in futility. They are both awesome
... and besides, everyone knows Porsche is always the answer :p
ahem, ferrari
What??? A Lamborghini can not be compared to a Ferrari the Lamborghini is on another level lol
Well the Ferrari is better than the Lamborghini as for the guns tho I agree. JK
Rene Macias a Ferrari to a Lamborghini what Lamborghini hands down jeeze learn ur cars lol maybe Lamborghini and McLaren
Tell John thanks for the great video work.
hickok45 I thoroughly enjoy your videos. They are very informative and I like the way you present yourself. I've watched other videos by so called "experts" and most of these guys are trying to be like, Joe Tactical all the time and they make me want to throw up everything I have eaten that day. They are so busy telling you how qualified they are that they forget to tell you anything of value about the weapon that is being featured. I am a total handgun junkie and I would own them all if I could afford it, but by watching your videos, I have been able to be a bit more selective about what I spend my money on. Thanks for all you do and keep the videos coming!
Just recently picked up a Sig 229r....love it!!!...Neva had an HK but would love to get a p30 I'm sure there both great guns...unlike alot of guys i love all fire arms!!! No Fan Boy Here!!!
Watching this video 11 years later You can tell the technology has definitely advanced in his videos. Great comparison, as I am looking at a HK with the LEM trigger system. Decisions decisions. Thanks for all your hours of hard work.
As an HK guy the lem is fantastic, it just takes a little getting used to and practice. There da/sa are nice as well.
Damn, I was watching music videos and somehow I STILL got over to hickoks videos... I can't stay away!
Good honest review. Always enjoy your reviews Sir.
I own both in 40. I love the P30 40. Its an amzing gun to hold and shoot!!! The P229 is a great gun also but I give the edge to the P30
I agree. Its very difficult to make that conclusion though. Both guns are like the best of the best.
Is there a difference in recoil and muzzle rise between the P30 and P229 in .40? Any opinion will be appreciated. Thanks.
like the sound track on this video. The safer neighborhood...
like the no nonsense compairsons. simple, informative. Thanks
I love your dry sense of humor
oh, and your videos too
I couldn't agree with you more. I also have a Sig P229, great accuracy, unbelievably smooth trigger pull. I have not had one jam with this gun to date.
You gotta try the LEM trigger! Finally solves the DA/SA problem you don’t like
Still enjoying my p229r 15 years running, purchased sig rmr red dot slide 2 years ago, made a great gun even more fun
Mr. Hickock45 You are so funny. Thank you for uploading these instructive and entertaining videos.
Owned both. P30 all the way. SIG had to go by by. Great vid as always.
I 2nd the srt trigger has the win
*****
I'm afraid to say that you have officially been diagnose with severe SIGness
and HKaholism
John GLKman check you eyes to maybe you hav glockomma.
MelleLaCruze possibly you have glockomma.
Thanks for the opinion John....Wish the post wasn't so long ago, I hear the P30 trigger is inferior to the SIG but...now im hearing the opposite, i go a few posts down, ill hear the opposite.
To me, owning an SP2022 which i know isn't as good as either (and a Glock 19) to me my priority might shift to what feels the best and to just having a highly-tradeable HK, so I can have one of each :)
Hickok, 2 quick QUESTIONS for you:1. Since you do not like the DA/SA trigger differences... Why don't you eval the LEM versions of these pistols instead?2. Do a video/test with the P30SK (the compact version), also in the LEM version. How do you like that one?Thanks!!
as always Hickok ...GREAT vid ...great info !!! Thanks.
Thanks for a very good comparison.
I have the H&K p30 I love it
Two really nice guns, I have 2 of each actually. The SIG is proof positive that bore axis really is over rated. My SIG 229's as well my 226 are extremely soft shooters and very fast to re-aquire. Very little muzzle rise and easily as soft shooting as the amazing P30. With that said my P30L is one of my favorite pistols, the weight, the grip are really second to none but I have to give the SIG kudos for the better trigger.
Give me a tigger as good as the SIG, grip as comfortable as the P30, the balance of the P30L and an durable steel frame and now we are talking...oh wait I just described my CZ SP-01!
Thanks for your awesome videos Hickock!!
Eric Johnson HK USP 9mm with a match trigger dropped in = sex. nuff said.
Great review Hickok.I don't think you would go wrong with either of those pistols.Both are outstanding and worth owning.Thanks and looking forward to your radio show.
Thanks Hickok great video I have a sig 229 and just looking for for info on it thanks again
The Sig 229 is just beautiful :3
I just got mine =) P229 dated 2012.
Brendon Ryan Albury P229
@hickok45 do a review on the usp 45 for us.
YES IVE HAD ONE FOR YEARS
Have the P229 Enhanced Elite and love it. Has never failed me. Great all around side arm. I understand everyone has their favorites, but I really cant find a reason not to love this Sig. Thanks Hickock for the vid.
Both are fine firearms! Nice review. I agree, you can't go wrong with either pistol.
The P30 looks like it fits in the hand like a glove.
Rez it does, I have the p30L
Rez oh goodness, yes! The ergonomics on the P30 is off the charts
Shot both and I like the Sig 10x better. Feels better, recoils better. Plus it's used all over the world.
Great videos. Nice comparison of the two guns.
At the department I used to work for we had the exact same sigs, except that they were Double Action Only. There was no decocking/hammer drop lever. Things were pretty old and had thousands and thousands of rounds through them, and the actions were still like butter.
Have you ever shot HK MK 23? PLEASE show us!!
I wonder if Hickok is the local dumpster diver with all those plastic bottles he shoots.
Sotallytober i thought you were going to say plastic guns
Touche , mr Glock shooter.
I doubt it. Probably has stock in Shasta
Your video was a pleasure to watch! Thanks.
Love your vids man! And John does some great camera work.
Lol I see you reaching for that Sig decocker on the HK. 12:44
swiss police officers carry the hk p30.
This is great, you can't pull out and blast as quickly 17:48👊!!!! Love you Mr Hickok.👍
After watching this video, I'll be buying the p30. Thanks hickok! Awesomely informative video as always.
You should do a video on the H&K USP. 40 or .45.
I have the 40. I fed it garbage ammo and it malfunctioned a couple of times back in 1999. It has been perfect ever since.
H&K all day
My P226 is stamped Made in West Germany! Yes, I've had it since I was 21 and it's one of my favorites! I'm as old as Hickok 45! :)
I love when you make music by alternating targets at the end of the video ;-)
Nice shooting. Good form, good skills, good results. I enjoy these alot more than the radio program ;-)
the HK seems more accurate to me and i love the mag release, I love how u show how they work at different distances and your very good I wanna be a good shooter like you
Hey can u do a video about UPS H&K 45 tactical
Thon Saephanh is that the brown model?
It is a good point to note that the Sig P229 is all stainless which gives it more weight, and the HK has a polymer frame with a stainless slide...HK has a better barrel design in that they twist the barrel instead of having grooves in it...makes it easier to clean
Muscle memory and practice takes care of first shot. I love Sig DA/SA M11-A1 with SRT.
I would pick the sig because of things like the decocker being better and the way the sig feels in your hand, but im a little sig bias as I own a sig 226 9mm, sig 226 40S&W, 229 9mm, sig 1911 45 acp, sig 938 in 9mm and my winter carry gun the sig 320C in 357 sig. I only carry the 320 in winter because living in Florida it gets to hot to wear a over shirt and with a T-Shirt I can carry the 938 with no problem
> "I'm a little Sig biased" - lists 6 Sig pistols he owns... Lol
The Sig P229 has picatinny rails, the P229 SAS has no accessory rail and is complete Anti-Snag” and refers to the aggressive “carry melt” process applied to the slide and frame in Sig’s Custom Shop, which smoothes all the corners and edges for comfort in carry, the trigger of the P229 is amazing, the P229 is the best pick for CCW.
If you prefer strike fire over hammer fired you are not a 1911 guy hickok.
Essentially trade in my Glock 19 for the sig 229 in 40sw and love it. you're videos are awesome thanks for the Intel!
Hickok is always trying to find the decocker of the Sig on the H&K, because he likes it so much ^^
Nice video, nice guns, so Hickok45 you just made my day again!
Man, the metal was really ringing today. Sounded like church bells.
Sig Legions!
Robert Little - Hickok please review a P226 legion.
Great work. Thank you very much for this
Really cool review :) Thanks man.
IMO the P229 blows the P30 out of the water, especially if the Sig has the SRT trigger.
Another excellent review, @hickok45!!!
I did better with the HK than p226 that I tested at a range.
I'm very new to practicing this, but I actually think I prefer the DA/SA. It sort of forces me to focus on the squeeze rather than the shot because of how it changes the feel like that.
At first, I felt uncomfortable with the switch from DA to SA, but then it occurred to me that the gun itself is just as accurate regardless of how far I have to squeeze the trigger.
So, now I use the change as a sort of guide that reminds me to focus on squeezing the trigger rather than on the shot that's about to happen. It throws off my ability to predict exactly where the shot will come out so that I can forget about the kick and let it happen unexpectedly like we're taught to help avoid anticipating it.
Even though the sig was a 40sw it seemed like you were a bit more consistent with it than you were with the HK - one of the reasons I chose my P229 over the HK was that the Sig was much easier to field strip and reassemble than the HK. Also I liked the weight/heft of the sig in my hand as compared to the HK. As you stated early on in the vid when I picked up the Sig I told the sales associate that it felt natural, and substantial...like a gun ought to feel in the hand...whatever that means...guess you can tell I like Sigs
I prefer the Sig
Own both but the HK P30's recoil reduction system really makes it an easier shooter. For the money the HK takes the cake on a quantifiable level, however, the SIG Navy and Elite models are really nifty, though im looking for an older one with west german markings if i can ever find one, lol
Great side by side comparison, I like the Sig just because I have 2 Sigs (SP2022-9mm and P226-40S&W). I have nothing against the H&K weapons since I have not owned them. I like the SA/DA of both. Thanks for the review
I love your videos! I hope you could get your hands on an HK Mark 23 -- would love to see a review on that beautiful firearm.
I wish people would stop comparing every gun to a 1911. If you want a 1911, then get a 1911. If I did have one, it would either be a Sig or a Colt Combat.
David...almost every modern auto traces it's roots to the classic 1911. Like these two guns. Sure they're much more modern, but you can see the basic principles of both are 1911-ish.
Nazgul001
Yes, I know (most) semi autos are based on John Browning's design, but a 1911 is a 1911. All other guns are not!
@gshdrums, Come on now, you know it was the latest Victoria's Secret fashion posting that made you late. Please don't use me as a scapegoat! :-)
Love watching your video's. So informative.
Hey Hickok!
Another great vid.You and John make a great
team,I appreciate your efforts.
I've fired some DAO pistols.
It seems to be an attempt to
design an auto pistol to shoot like a DA revolver.
Obviously different lockwork.
Result is a crappy trigger that stacks and
takes forever to break.
The SA/DA transitiion isnt so bad in comparision.
My P229 has a 3 dot sight system
Seems like most (if not all) of the newer Sigs do. Personally, I prefer the original "I-dot" sights better
***** Yeah, they do make things easier, for me at least. It's just what I'm used to. It's not like the 3-Dots are bad (my 229 Elite has them), but they just aren't my cup of tea.