The HK VP9 Verses The P30!
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For the reason of appendix carry, I choose the P30. With the hammer visible, I feel better in control of the firearm.
18:36 I have both the HKP30 LEM and VP9 once I got the flat trigger and short reset done on my P30 shooting side-by-side I would have to say the P 30 comes out ahead.
I do agree the LEM is sweet! Thanks for the comment
Well no shit dude lol, an upgraded hammer fired HK pistol beats out a stock striker fired HK pistol. Get a lazy wolf trigger with work done by Rick Holm and you'll have the best striker fire trigger out there.
Just got the grey guns kit and trigger as well…the VP9 doesn’t stand a chance stock. I haven’t shot the lazy wolf trigger though
@@asdfghjk2933 the Walther pdp with the special trigger from the factory (not the standard one just forgot what they call it) is the best polymer trigger…that trigger is just stupid good lol
that logic makes ZERO sense , your comparing a modified gun to a stock gun lol wtf . 4 is always bigger than 2 . invest similar money into the vp9 and itll perform the same
I sold my vp9 after trying others
The recoil was not fun to shoot..
My favorite gun now is the czp09 and the Glock 45
I just love the recoil or lack there of..
If the P30 came optics ready this would be a non contest
I ❤ my VP9
I have the VP9 in Urban Gray LE
( law enforcement version )
put black side panels on
Removed loaded chamber indicator on rear & replaced it with HK solid panel, so shit don't get in.
Replaced guide rod with stainless steel rod. Added Viridian C5L lite/laser combo.
All tucked away in a Alien Gear 3.5 IWB Cloak Tuck holster, set up for the Viridian combo 😃 this is my EDC this gun is so dam comfortable & Accurate as hell 😮
I’m a practicality guy so I love the VP9 along with a ton of other striker fired pistols. I shoot my optics ready VP9 and my full size M&P 2.0 optics ready better than any other pistols. I carry my M&P most days but the VP9 sees a fair amount of action too. Great video man!
Couldn’t agree more, thanks so much for taking the time to watch the video and comment!
Absolutely correct on the P30 manual safety. Went with the non-saftey version of the P30 because of its placement. Love the manual safety on the USP.
Ya it’s so much better on the USP wild how horrible it is on the P30
@@FirearmFreedomreally? To each their own, im so trained on 1911 i put all smalls around, carry liberty ammo civil defense in it and just hit the bastard when i draw, rest the thumbs off to the sude using the ol wring the towel method
That said im so digging the grayguns lem and light v1 lem my 3LS is getting the regular 30 via lem soon
And i had the SK, a usp .40 and uspc .45 but here in utah its the wild west out here man, the . The .40 my friend gave me was stolen lol. I aleays chrcj se The serial numbers and get a drivers license number, ID number signature and printed name as well as mine then a copy for me and then a final copy to go in My I guess we can call it receipt book since UTAH requires no background checks no concealed carry weapon permit nothing I actually have a huge problem with that even though I am in absolutely avid gun owner, pistol collector, having owned pretty much one of everything at some point in terms of major brands anyway, I currently am enjoying a lot of the really amazing clones out there Linda, take away the versa 380 combat plus which is one of the smoothest of elections I’ve ever felt even next to Kent’s like to sing P2 20 carrying cc and shit like that but anyway I am with you getting the HKP 30 V one man to go with My P 30 LS I am installing a gray guns flat trigger on both in the short reset trigger kit on both as well and just gonna have a hell of a fun time doing it super easy install anyway, but in my opinion, the lamb triggers pretty much the king trigger out I am being here and you and UTAH actually I lived less than a half mile away from HK parts not met and at least one person from Langdon tactical is a short drive away, so I really get up my game as I am able to get the money to do so I plan on if I can really turning the HKP 30 SK even though it’s a DASAP pistol my goal is is to try and moderate in this something that would rival that of most match. Great pistols and I’ve always been of the firm mind that the shooter behind the gun is more important than the gun itself. As long as the gun is reliable, but the lamb trigger, which, by the way, really fucking stupid name, considering I never see cops carry these let alone with all them trigger they like to get their souped up Glocks and extra mags in mag dump on the nearest brown person, they see at least that’s what I’ve seen far too often but I will say that limb trigger will turn anyone into at least a halfway decent shooter and a good combat shooter if they practice their draw and keep it up just speaking from experience extensive experience
I started with HK VP9 in 2014 and had up to 4 of them before selling all of them. I never warmed up to them compared to expectations and compared to my other striker-fired pistols. I had one P30 V3 and almost everything about it was great except for the trigger and ending up selling that eventually also. Gave HK another chance last year when LTT came out with a variety of P30's. Settled on the LTT HK LEM RDO models and with the exception of the slide release (which is a problem on all my former and current HK's) I'm incredibly satisfied with the P30 now and they (P30 V1 and P30SK V1) are among my best shooting pistols. My last competition I shot the LEM and won against Staccato's and Shadows, and etc (I also own those brands/models).
Great data point I am very curious about those LTT p30s thanks for the comment!
I solved the slide release problem, HK parts has a shortened version of the lever, they also sell a lower profile flat slide release. No longer fails to lock back on the last round because of my thumb position. There, now it's perfection for ya 😜
question on all of my hk's i see a build up of oil no matter how much i use after cleaning. i've noticed the build up on the back of the magazine even on new ones. have you noticed this and should be of concern does it affect the primer of the rounds in the magazine?
If you do a grays gun reset, flat trigger, a lighter hammer spring, medium trigger return spring and flat match nickel sear, you have a very very smooth and enjoyable P30L.
As for the VP9, if you do the MCarbo trigger upgrade, it might need the P30L.
Good points thanks for the comment!
In terms of ultimate reliability, quality , collectability, cool factor, HK USP is king 👊
Oh of course the USP would beat these two hands down lol
@@FirearmFreedom
I have a p30l v1 lem and a vp9sk
The p30l grip and ergonomics is phenomenal.
USP are out dated
Nope. HK45C Tactical.
Still loses out in shootability, which is literally the most important thing in a handgun. Lol
For me the P30L is the best 9mm pistol made if you do not consider 9mm 1911’s which are on another level. I have both the VP9 and P30L - love them both.
Great points, thanks for the comment and for taking the time to watch the video!
I mean I agree two point brother hell I got couple 1911s couple blocks couple right as I might actually go out on the limb and say the USP 9 mm experts might be a little bit better in terms of a DISA trigger that is but I think the P 30 V1 gray guns light trigger short reset trigger model, and the flat trigger combination which is a really cheap easy model do considering what you’re getting I I consider it to be the ultimate in carry guns and I die of the P 30 LS and I often carry it just like I have many of my 1911s however, right now since I mostly carry the Bersa 380 combat plus it’s just easier on me and I really don’t need a gun like the HK the type of protection gig that I only do a few times a month with my current health condition. The bursa is plenty and it has an amazing double action trigger and lately I’m trying to get into training people again, so having a limb trigger in to the ASA triggers, I feel like it is a fantastic place to start. I’m really I’m. Really looking at something like the Smith & Wesson 686 5 inch performance center or a key offered 50 DSI has my next pistol after that to just get a revolver to even things out. I’ve always wanted a Ciampa and just love the look and the fact that the Linda lowered for access is just really out of this world. There’s a lot of cool stuff to be done with it. That said, it’s a bit rich for my blood right now hence, like me, diving into the clone market with Sara Faber, saying her son by the way, Gerson and Sara both make some pretty cool 1911s.
And if you like me and really wanting a 2011 well the EAA garçon 2311 might be the right gun for you if like me you are likely years off from being able to afford a 2011 the 2311 is a 2011 but with a polymer frame and to my understanding highly modifiable that the initial trigger is 7 pounds so it’s it’s no RT viper or you know Aries are static oh but it’s also only about $900-$1000 And then, with some smart trigger work, you can get it to run right alongside those I know because I have a friend who’s done just that and I’m always in the mindset that the shooter matters more than the actual gun itself assuming the gun is reliable
Great video and thank you for telling us where you got your threaded barrel. That's much cheaper than going through HK. The pricing for the VP9 was extremely aggressive for the pistol you got. That's why I sold my P30 for a VP9. The trigger is better and almost the same ergos as the P30.
The only other carry gun that I like as much as the VP9 is my CZ P01 that the custom shop jazzed up. It's a great pistol too but at a much higher price
Can’t beat a jazzed up P01 those are great pistols, thanks for the comment man!
Thanks for the comparison video. I found a P 30 L with LEM trigger at my LGS. Thinking about trading my VP 9 in for it. I had a P2000 SK with a LEM years ago, and loved it.
Maybe I’ll reconsider..
I have a P30 V3 with a manual safety and find it to be very well balanced. It almost finds its own sight picture. I just picked up the VP9 Tactical and haven’t taken It to the range yet to compare. I can’t wait
Thank you for a good review.
HK makes threaded barrels for the P-30L with an MSRP of $209. Also, Falco makes leather holsters for the P-30L with or without light attachment. Lastly, HK parts does have holster for the P-30.
Thanks so much for the feedback and the information man I appreciate it!
Vedder makes holsters for the P30s
Great video and really appreciate your experiential preferences. VP9 for me.
Great job on the comparison
Thank you so much I’m glad you enjoyed it!
I'm curious if you (or others here) use subsonic ammo or a stiffer recoil spring when you shoot your VP9 suppressed. I'm new to suppressors - just curious, thanks!
I have shot my VP9 tactical suppressed, with both supers and subs. My advice is to avoid the older models that came with 15-round magazines. Mine was a jam-o-matic without a suppressor. The newer model works great with and without a suppressor.
100%, i tried the P30 for the first time a few days ago and was having trouble the first few mags because of the drigger. Love how the gun fits my hand and after some mags began to get the shots on target. Gonna get the SFP9 tho(vp9 is called that in Europe).
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We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him.
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Great presentation👍👍
Agreed on the texture. The P30X which was a prototype vp9 had that texture. I honestly cant decide which i like better i have both and love them both equally haha
Ya I just don’t know why the hell they didn’t decide to keep that texture on there it would of been perfect.
@@FirearmFreedom completely agree. I just got the P30 and the texture was the first thing i noticed. Huuuge difference. Ive seen on some HK45s the texture is different too. It will either have a P30 texture or a VP texture which is odd to me
I agree completely. While the P30 may have more appeal and is a slightly higher quality gun, the VP9 is flat out more shootable, and that's what matters for a defensive pistol. Reliable as hell too. 4k rounds through mine (half without cleaning or lube) and ZERO malfs of any kind.
Without a doubt, they are sick! Thanks for the comment
Could P30 side and back panels fit the VP9? Maybe that would help a little
Are the p30 and vp9 grip panels interchangeable so you can put the better 1080 grips on the vp9?
Unfortunately they are not it would be great if they were though!
whatsup with your chamber indicator of your p30 lem? shows that there is a round (red) although its empty. is your extractor damaged?
Not damaged I think it is more of the camera angle because occasionally it does look like that
Really great comparison! Omg, I believe DA/SA firearms are best for shit hits the fan also! My choice, P226. The VP9 is my favorite striker fired firearm.
Couldn’t agree more Keanon as always thank you for the support!
VP9 has, IMHO, the best out of the box striker fired trigger - with a slight edge going to the PDP which has an amazing trigger but a little too light for my tastes personally as a carry gun. Overall grip feel and ergos- I prefer the VP9.
Great points!
IMO the PDP trigger isn't even objectively better. It has a bit less travel and a shorter reset, but it also has noticeably more creep than the VP9 triggers. Makes a big difference.
Me with my manual safety P30 lol. I dunno. I don't shoot it a lot. But just dry firing, my thumb rests on the safety and it doesn't really bother me much. I'd rather not have the safety but the gun was cheap so I decided I could live with it.
That said, I wanna get a VP9 at some point. More importantly, I want a USP. Or several USP's. And a Mk23. 😂
Lmfao great points ya if your hand size allows you to rest on top it definitely isn’t as terrible. And I agree I neeeeeed a MK 23 some kind of bad lol
Alien Gear Holsters make an excellent and extremely comfortable Holster for the VP9-SK & VP9
I personally love my p30 ls having owned them all
Ya I do really like man all things aside it really is a great pistol!
VP9 is the 1st gun i carried, when I started carrying 2+ years ago, and its still my main EDC.
I will carry a smaller gun when I go running, but literally everywhere else its my VP9 on my belt.
I've tried other pistols but the VP9, carries well, is easy to draw, present, and shoot, and st
i’ve had shot and carried my LTT P30L LEM with the light trigger and an SRO for about a little over a year now, it’s simply an amazing shooter, i like it more than my USP and my glocks. i think if you get the LTT p30 there isn’t really a better shooting combat/edc handgun.
I have a PPQ and two Berettas hammered fired why? I had a stroke in 99 so I can't use my right hand but being one handed man I have built up muscle in my left arm and hand over the years. Anyway I prefer hammer fired pistols if I have to use my weapon to protect my wife and myself I would hammered fired pistol I don't know why but I do.
Quick question, what is your favorite carrying ammo? HST? It's my favorite.
The PPQ is a great pistol along with the berettas and I prefer HSTs or gold dots. Thanks for the comment!
@@FirearmFreedom me too, I have two boxes of gold dot 124 +p
I'm prejudiced against the VP9, but the holsters are so damn difficult to find for the P30L that I might end up needing to get a VP9. It's a shame there isn't an HK exclusive holster manufacturer out there that produces great quality holsters.
Couldn’t agree more, thanks for the comment!
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I agree with you on Striker VS Hammer fire groupe.
The Hammer system is less finicky, more simple mechanically , sturdier design
Love my CZ P-09 & P-07, Sig P226, P239 .
BUT❗the VP9 & P30 27 possible grip panel- back strap ergonomics is The Industry Champion.🏆
No other grip is more ergonomic. 👍👍
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I know I'm going against the grain, reliability I agree with and double Strike BUT striker guns are easier to fix by replacing drop-in parts. With that, I say the point is moot
Well I would normally 100% agree with you especially in the case of a glock. However the VP9 has about double the parts and is beyond over engineered/complicated to swap parts out on the fly. Lol
Why aftermarket barrel in the vp9? The barrels from Hk are 2nd to none. There’s no comparison. I don’t get this move. Your gun your choice. Solid video, however. Keep up the good work. 😊
Well in this case it was just what I could afford for a threaded option the HK threaded barrels around around 300 this was 160
P30 is an amazing handgun
Ive got the HK45, P30L, and VP9-OR. For 95% of people the VP9 will be the best H&K for them. Unless you are buying a gun for Duty or service the HK vp9 is a better option. The vp9 is the ideal pistol for the civilian market and the hammer fired guns are more for law enforcement and Military and that's why civilians want them because they all like to say they have whatever the military uses but in reality it's the worst gun for them as civilians because Striker Fired guns are better at shooting accurately and quickly the hammered fire guns are just more robust and durable for combat environments but you give up a lot of the speed and accuracy for that extra reliability. Personally I don't need a hammer fired gun to leave my house because I'm not going to be crawling through the mud or swimming Through Rivers with my gun
Those are some pretty valid points I will say the hammer fired guns definitely shoot a bit slower than the VP9
I have a P30 H&K and i at The VP9, the H&K P30 for me is Better gun for ccw( this is my experience with the gun) for reasons that you can think about your shot and it safety to carry.
NOW Vp9 is a great and easy gun to learn on you can cww the gun to but you got be more careful of the gun rules. It all depends on the person i love to lean guns that our DA/SA not everyone is me more poeple like Vp9 easy-to-use gun.
Thanks for the comment!
Odin Holsters make plenty of options for the P30
Im curious if you'd consider doing a review on the HKPARTS rail-mounted "compensator" that they sell for both the VP9 & the P30L and to see if you notice any muzzle climb differences with it on.
I would definitely have interest on doing that in the near future. I will keep it on my radar
P30 all day. Monster of a firearm
Paint me jelly!
My round count on my HK P30L is 37,000 rounds, i would be hard pressed to go to a Stricker fired gun
Wow that’s a wildly good round count, thanks for the data point!
Why? There are VP9s out there with nearly 100k rounds. Striker is just as good as far as that goes.
You see I get my dad to buy the VP9 and I buy the P30 so we have both🤠
There you go that works perfectly lol!
Aren't the grip panels exchangeable between the VP9 and P30?
If not I've heard the Jerkman custom grips are supposed to be really good for the VP9.
Unfortunately they are not. I will have to check those other ones out though thanks for the comments!
Unfortunately I have to disagree with some of the things said in this video. I myself own some P30’s and have multiple round count suppressed and unsuppressed. It would be best if some of these CZcamsrs identify the type of shooter they are which would bring more clarity as supposed to them being vague/ bias while giving advice. There are 3 types of shooters… A plinker, A competition shooter and a combat shooter. I find most of the CZcamsrs are Plinker and competition shooters so their opinion limit them in being factual. They will always favor the striker fire pistol because its easier for them to shoot constantly on the range or in repetition of some form of competition. However when it comes to Combat, the whole dynamic is changed. Striker fire pistol are cheap and easy to make by the manufacturer that’s why they cost so much less than a hammer fired gun. The reliability and durability is much greater with round count when it comes to hammer fired guns. When a person says its difficult to get use to a double action or a trigger pull should automatically alert you that they are not fully experience with weaponry. Cause it shouldn’t matter. Now I would say if someone has issues with hand strength or weakness in their fingers then yes a striker fire would be best due to the light trigger pull. However with pros comes con’s so always identify between them to see what suits you best personally and not off what someone else’s feelings are. Most people are buying guns these days for self defense, combat or war. Your weapon choice needs to fit such survival. All other things like competition or plinking should be secondary and more so a hobby choice weapon after you attain your main purpose weapon. My view is based completely on combat, when I train its for combat mode and to me every round count, with precision there is no need to mag dump or rapid fire. Also the safety model allows you to utilize the cocked and locked feature when moments are tense. Think of it like a car you can have limited feature no sun roof, fabric seats standard radio system and standard speakers. Or it can be fully loaded with all features at your disposal to use or not use at your will. If the safety is digging in your thumb then your grip/ the way you grip is very odd. At the end of the day pick a weapon that best suits you and is able to do what you need it to do.
Very well said Sir! Hammer guns are for fighting period! I have had the vp9 great gun I now have an HK 45c USP 40 and a p30sk and love them all. I'm going to be picking up a p30L and if you train and practice the trigger will be just fine I also have owned many sigs both hammer and striker currently own 4 p320's I don't think this is a fair comparison since his edc is the vp9 and has stated way more trigger time with that than the p30L and for the most part dots are great but can and will fail.i have a couple of them and do like them but at the end of the day irons are better in my opinion
Haven’t thought about it that deep, but it is a good perspective to keep in mind. I like hammer fired guns more but I don’t know why. I don’t think people should be buying based off other people’s opinions though. CZcamsrs do make something sound better or worse than it might be for you. My solution is to buy both lol. Gotta find out what kind of shooter you are though like you said. Most CZcamsrs do like to shoot for a hobby and lean towards what lets them shoot fast.
This is a whole lot of nonsense
Hammer vs striker has nothing to do with long term durability.
If anything, certain striker systems are far more robust than most hammer fired systems.
How many rounds you got through your VP9?
Getting close to about 4,000 not a ton but definitely enough to put it through it’s paces
@@FirearmFreedom My first VP9 is at 3550 rounds, my VP9 OR is at 1850 and I`am now waiting for a new VP9 OR push-button. It is my everyday carry.
Great video, holster & part support is hugely in favor of the VP9
Thanks, couldn’t agree more!
They are brothers.
Why can't they make the p30l in 45 acp!? This would be my dream home defense gun
VP all the way!!
VP 9 Hands Down On A AMEN .
The VP9 trigger is anything but excellent. I have the 5.5 inch match pistol and the trigger is a plasticy gritty adequate striker fired unit. Canik, Walthers are head and shoulders above the VP9, eventhough they are all based off of the Wather P99. S&W M&P triggers are better as well as XDMs.
You know it’s interesting that you say that because I’m comparing my standard Vp9 to the match side by side the trigger actually felt much worse on the match… consistently. Not sure why but it seems like the match triggers kinda suck. But regardless I do agree that Walter and canik have better factory triggers out of box.
Lol what a bunch of BS. Maybe you just got a particularly bad VP9, but a decent VP9 trigger is head and shoulders above everything you mentioned other than Walther.
Id take the p30L. I just think there r simpler and more affordable firearms out there if i want a striker fired pistol. Its not that that the vp9 is super expensive, its just a lil high for a sttiker fired gun. Kind of a dime a dozen. That bein said i dont disagree wit anything u said in the vid either
I get it man and paying anything high for a striker fired option is always a little tough I agree. Thanks for the comment!
P30 LEM trigger...❤❤
I love my Hk’s so much that I bought another Glock 19X!
…….winning!
I’m so poor, I shoot a G17 & 19 better than I shoot HK pistols
Lmao there is nothing wrong with that flocks are great guns and they shoot great for most people 👍🏻
Glocks have lower bore axes, so maybe you noticed less recoil impulse with them compared to the HKs.
VP9L is more expensive than P30L so VP9 isnt the "poor" pistol
I personally like the p2000 over both of those
I don’t mind the p2000 a great pistol too!
@@FirearmFreedom I second this lol
The p2000 is one of my favorites.....the p30 was a turd compared to the p2000 imo
Pertaining to holsters: why not just buy the vp9 holster for your p30? That is if they are the same gun.
Unfortunately the vp9 holsters will not fit the P30
Hellooooo!
Andddd welcome
45 lol hk is for the usp
The USP is the way for sure
Try the 45C. Great gun
Understand the P30 manual safety might be uncomfortable, …. But to say there’s no need for a safety because it’s a single/ double action is pretty irresponsible. If the trigger gets pulled with the hammer back, the gun fires , if the trigger gets pulled with the hammer back with the safety on the gun does not fire. For competitive shooters using hard holsters, etc… I understand not feeling the need for a manual safety. Of course, training is paramount …But for those of us who are out with our families plinking, especially if there are new shooters…having a last level of safety after the target is acquired is just that… another level of safety. A single double action does not replace a safety.
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Thank you sir 🙌🏻
It's considered the poor hk pistol because even the name means Volks pistol=vp meaning the people's pistol in german
Very true lol
It's also called the SFP-9 because it's actually relevant for police and military use unlike the others.
@@asdfghjk2933 sfp just means "striker fire pistol"
@@fiken9310 Thought it meant something else, but eh. Still better than volkspistole.