YZERMAN'S OFFSEASON: RED WINGS ROUNDTABLE ft. Bultman & Iyer - Winged Wheel Podcast - Apr. 24, 2024
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- Now that we've looked back at the Detroit Red Wings and their 2023/2024 season, it's time to look ahead at the job Steve Yzerman has ahead of him this summer.
Tune in as we open by discussing some key priorities for Yzerman in Hockeytown, including the Moritz Seider and Lucas Raymond extensions, making room for young players like Simon Edvinsson, Marco Kasper, Carter Mazur, Albert Johansson, Nate Danielson, or even Axel Sandin Pellikka, and managing the cap through contracts like Holl, Maatta, Petry, & others (4:25). Next, Patrick Kane's latest message and what it means for his time in Detroit (12:15).
We're then joined by Max Bultman of The Athletic Detroit and Prashanth Iyer to discuss all things Red Wings: the past season, what the Seider and Raymond contracts may look like, free agent and trade options for Yzerman (Zegras? Marchessault? Markstrom? Gibson?), a review of the "Yzerplan", contract and cap management, how to get help for Larkin, DeBrincat, Raymond, and others, & lots more (14:45).
Next, NHL news including the Utah (Mammoth? Yetis? Outlaws?) team name, a playoff update (Bobrovsky's freak save, Demko's injury) (1:20:00) & lots more before we take your questions and comments during our Overtime segment (1:28:50) - enjoy!
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Yes adding to my must watch lunch break list.
Really hope we can see that Danielson, Compher, and Kane line... Damn that would be fun
It would be a dream to see Danielson earn a spot on the team, love his game, but I feel like they would've tried to bring him up in G.R. if they were leaning that way, don't know how that works with AHL cap space and roster availability moves, but it seems they even wanted to give Larkin some AHL time before they allowed him to earn a spot as he played like 10 playoff games for the Griff's, but who knows, would like to see some updates on Danielson on this or other pods to see where He's at.
@bradmaguire9611 WHL rules say he can't go to the AHL rules. It was either NHL or back the the WHL.
If Danielson has another noteworthy camp, there is a chance. Yet they probably do not rush Kasper's development.
@@ericscottstevens have you seen recent video on Danielson, is he dominating that much?
First season following the pod. You all have great takes and compared to the rest of the internet, not as negative view of the team. Thank you!
Appreciate you tuning in! 🙏
WWP is the best podcast for Detroit Red Wings. Period. 🤘 LGRW 🐙
Kane 100% is staying. He just knows how to stay relevant with the media, and get money.... legend
Idk.. going home and playing with Bedard has to be pretty enticing.
@@edenisburning he likes it in Detroit
@@edenisburningBuffalo is home. That Chicago ship has sailed
This is my gut feeling.
He's going for one last cup and Detroit isn't there yet.
one thing I keep on thinking about is the roll of a HOF and their impact on younger players, either as mentor or just by example, and how much more valuable Kane is/should be. I believe he had an impact on Raymond this year, I also think he'd be huge for any other young forwards, like you guys mention, Kasper, Danielson, Mazur, etc. If i am Yzerman, i am doing what i can to keep Kane.
Evan’s comment “can’t wait to have a Utah Ice while watching the Utah Ice” was the best one liner I’ve heard in 2 years of listening to you guys
I listen to you guys on my way to work, and not going to lie, got me scared when I didnt see this episode on youtube. love the content gents!
Sorry for the wait - thank you for tuning in!
@@WingedWheelPodcast dont apologize, just scary how addicted to you guys I am lol.
Gonna push back on feeling safe going short term on Seider. I expect more offense and yzerman hinted at it aswell. He refered to Seiders usage and expectations currently vs the future, when the D corps improves. As Seider gets more help on the defensive side of things, not being so heavily realied on for all the hard minutes, defensive zone starts etc. He will get more offensive opportunities and will be allowed to focus/develop his offensive game.
That being said i dont think we have to worry about exceeding 8 million per season. Im fairly confident ASP will be running PP1 for a long time once he gets to the NHL, this slots seider to pp2. So although seider is our number 1 dman, playing the big minutes, without pp1 and elite offensive numbers, he should theoretically come in cheaper than other number 1 dmen.
Making the first pass, Detroit already has a better player then S Edvinsson and the GRG followers would agree on Albert J. All the signings have been great. There were probably almost 20 games were Detroit lost by one goal. Steve Y and Lalonde can't go out and play. But what if A Lyon played at the first of the year? What if the other teams didn't get all the lucky goals? What if the Wings did not give or pass the puck to the wrong team? I never say a club do this so much. Signing a top goalie would get them to 100 + points. If... you could keep Petry and Hall in the press box for depth and only use them when there are injuries. I know I know cap space. Moe S and Chariot are the best 2 players to handle the tough play. Have you played with or against Ben C? Would you want Petry as your D pair? It was an exciting season! There are no misses?? Hall is a + player the coach needs to use all players correctly. Not everyone wants to come to Detroit. Signings = who is available.
I may be too optimistic but for bringing up the forwards, I think you have to take in to account the "seasoning" they had in the ahl like edvinsson. There will be growing pains, but i dont think there will be glaring mistake after mistake after mistake compared to if a guy making the roster from junior.
I think we have good Drfensive prospects and we have good prospects who can play and need the Experience and see what happens.
My NHL mock draft lottery:
1. San Jose - Maklin Celebrini
2. Utah - Ivan Demidov (+ 4)
3. Chicago - Cayden Lindstrom (-1)
4. Anaheim - Zeev Buium (-1)
5. Columbus - Artyum Levshunov (-1)
6. Detroit - Berkley Catton (+9)
7. Montreal - Cole Eiserman (-2)
8. Ottawa - Zayne Parekh (-1)
9. Seattle - Sam Dickinson (-1)
10. Calgary - Tij Iginla (-1)
11. New Jersey - Anton Silayev (-1)
12. Buffalo - Carter Yakemchuk (-1)
13. Philadelphia - Trevor Connelly (-1)
14. Minnesota - Konsta Helenius (-1)
15. San Jose* - Adam Jiricek (-1)
16. St. Louis - Liam Greentree
Keeping in mind the lottery is obviously rigged...
If we get that up on the order, Yzerman may as well draft Eiserman.
@@ericscottstevens damn straight! And I want Howe and Zetterburg! If there's a kid with a familiar name from the past, suit him up!
If we move up, it can only be to five
@@UchihaItachi1986 we can move up 10 spots max
Youth movement should have started long ago . Berggren and edvinsson should have been here the full season . Kasper should be in next year with johansson
Exactly, take the lumps and see what we have with the younger players. Instead resign retreads and stall out our own pipeline of talent or no talent.
Instead SY went 2 summers into deep spends at the UFA steakhouse.
A player that is a half point per game in the AHL and negative + - and maybe scored 1 or 2 goals in the NHL is a consideration to improve the Wings? You talk about Carter Mazur . Yes he can skate but he is not strong enough on the puck or back check. He is not ready. Casper and Danielson have greater compete and upsides. Berggren could be ready if he grabs the opportunity.
Did I miss it or did Brett Pesce not come up as a 2nd pair RD? Only 14 points but a really good defender.
One of the best shut down d in the league
I think Necas might be worth a shot. Had a down year and I don't think the Canes have the space to extend him regardless.
Larkin at 1, Necas at 2, and compher at 3 would be money, out necas between kat and Kane if he's back and see what happens, guarantee Necas would have a better year, not sure how he is at backchecking though.
Would loveeeeee necas on our team!!!
@@Gr8erdetfanWould have loved him with that 9th overall pick back in 2017, would have been a far more effective use of that pick.
@@jessecoonce1363 agreed
@@jessecoonce1363your not wrong, but that's the benefit of high insight. It's a fruitless endeavor to use high insight on a decision made 7 years ago.
The saddest part is, the 2017 1st rnd draft pick was a homerun compared to the next years pick lol
You think 35+ contracts are a bad thing?
I dunno about messing with Mo to save a couple million, and I do think he can have 70 pt seasons still easily. The thing you stop doing are these bad contracts in Holl, and Copp. Can also move Maatta or Fabbri IMO.
Agreed. As the wings become a cap team, the contracts of the depth players come into play. I think holl is getting bought out. I believe Marta will be the 7th dman this year, cant have 3 million in the press box.
Fabbri's depth scoring can be replaced almost 1 for 1 with Berggren for 1/4 the contract.
Love what copp brings, but not at the cap hit. As danielson and kasper push to become everyday NHL's copp becomes very expendable
The Kane tweet amuses me because so many people are trying to read the tea leaves and figure out what it means. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that means anything is when we see he's signed, and with whom.
Well that’s the point. Humans are naturally curious after all.
Utah red rocks or arches with rusty red and purple come onnnnn
I think Yzerman should go after goalie Conner Ingram from Utah. Yzerman drafted him while in Tampa Bay. His contract very good to work with and I would give at least a 1st round draft pick and more to solve the net issue. Trade Husso to Utah and eat about 1mil of his contract, also maybe give them Berggren too.
Another forgotten prospect is Soderblom . I think he’d play better with better players in the nhl than ahl. Provides us with a big body which we need and will be 23. Sooner or later we have to play these kids otherwise what’s the point of drafting them
Yzerman made this happen by delaying some guys. Edvinsson johansson Berggren kasper Soderblom should start up and mazur is a recent 22 I believe so he’s a ? . Joe veleno will ask for 2-2.5 . Shop him, it’s quite evident he won’t be a part of the team much longer with all the kids coming up. Rasmussen will likely end up being a 4th liner , we can’t have another guy making 2.5 as 4c
Mtl has a ton of dmen and he’s a local kid , ship him for a year of kovacevic at this point. He’s under 800 k and had a good season. Petry can also take a hike
Youth movement is here whether ppl want it or not
Utah Mesas
Utah Road Runners
Let’s go big… Steve should bully Ken Holland into giving up Leon Draisaitl this offseason… 1 year left, only 28
Just don’t think 3-4 rookies are going to improve this team into the playoffs next season
Likely not a good take, but I find it exciting.
My thought is why not make an absoluteley new line with Danielson at center Carter Mazur at left and Söderblom at right wing do you got the guts to make it . I see very much benefits in this way and sign Bergren as Yzerman did Valeno It would absoluteley fix many things . I meen Kane is usless in defence so is bergren But get Brgren as center would probably solve many problems ? And it will still be sheap
Yzerman and Holland both like to let them develop before bringing them up, I can see them bring 3 or 4 which would be exciting by itself, but I would be shocked to see them bring up 5 or 6 young players. That hasn't worked well in Buffalo or Ottawa.
Talks about Connor Murphy at !:13 Why not exploit the idea of Tumistou
Wings are paying Husso, Copp, Compher, Chiarot over 1/4 of the cap. Collectively $21M
Hate to say it but utah makes sense for kane.
Prasshanth needs to get a clue about his facial illumination
I like Prashanth, but there is absolutely nothing about Steve Yzerman's track record at all--or the team's history that indicates they would bring 5 rookies up next year. Just not going to happen. Danielson hasn't even played a single AHL game and he's not coming next year so let's just stop with that, Kasper was improved but not great in the AHL this year, Mazur is a 3rd or 4th line role player, Johannsen will be a 6-to-8 D player. What's the point of loading the team with youth, just to have youth, but they don't move the needle?
You bring prospects to see what you have got. Especially to fill role player spots and see if they can overperform. We have a bunch of guys that you need to see where they fit or you could lose them for nothing more of less (not a roster player due to too many mediocre vets and not part of a trade package because their development looks like it stalled). Johansson could make the same mistakes some of our vets did on D for less money. Thing is that he still has potential to learn from them and still show growth. Danielson almost made the team last year, but he had that deal where he couldn’t go to GR. It was either back to WHL or to the NHL. Was same deal with Rasmussen a few years ago. The situation, not the style of game. Danielson’s D zone game was advertised, but his offense is greater than he showed due to lack of elite offensive players to play with. He has size so could possibly make an easier transition.
Stuck with Copp, terrible contract. Luckily Husso has only one year left on his deal, possible buy out or LTIR. Compher and Chiarot were pretty good but yea most likely overpaid, mainly Benny.
Think zegras would be cool add but he’d be another smallish weak forward in the top 6. I’d move debrincat and his $ first to make that work. We need a physical power forward in the top 6 . Don’t think Yzerman will look at zegras as an option. Crouse could have been an option but Utah will be looking to compete so I think that ship has sailed
Keeping Debrincat over moving him to make Zegras make sense 10 times out of 10.
@@aaronstark1969 sure
Dude has an ego issue, strictly not a Red Wings type of player.
They want humble legends, not brash swash bucklers.
@@ericscottstevens were far from having any humble legends atm 😂 I’d take any potential star right now but don’t want too many weaklings on the top 6. Teams so pussafied as it is.
I’d sign Bertuzzi back in a heartbeat if it were possible. No way anyone’s giving him 5+ years,he’s not been productive enough. Reunite him with larkin
Bertuzzi larkin raymond
Debrincat compher kane
Till the kids are ready for 2c ... if Kane is gone .. trade debrincat and use assets for crouse
Bertuzzi larkin raymond
Crouse compher reinhart
Probably neither option will happen but the point is this team needs to get bigger and tougher to play against ASAP
Utah Utah raptors
Kane is gone….go on
- Rasmussen was an overpay (by 1m)
- Copp, Chiarot and Holl has got to go (Sorry, not sorry)
- I'm a bit allergic to Perron's blasé attitude on the ice (no matter if he is magic off the ice). Wouldn't mind seeing him move on.
- The Raymond hype is at very high risk of being overestimated (I predict a dip next season compared to expectations)
- The Berggren relationship needs to be salvaged. He is undervalued. He is salty but it's justified. Would like to see his edginess could be converted to be more physical (see Raymonds last summer bulk)
- Kane looked like he was hiding pain the last stretch. Not so sure we want to fight for him (although he WAS awesome this year)
Raymond take is awful my man I’m sorry. A dip backwards? When he is just going to get better? Doesn’t make sense. He understands what he has to do to be elite in this league and he did it last offseason by adding weight and getting quicker. Ray is gonna be fine.
Utah bundys ? .....Get it.. Ted bundy haha
The Utah Polygamists
I suppose the Rated G version of this name would be
The Utah Utero's
The guy on the bottom left sounds like Jake Gyllenhaal
Copp and holl need to be gone with retention. Don’t think we’d need to add assets to move holl at 1.7 and copp at like 3.2-3.5 per Buyout petry . No more bottom 6 guys, I’d trade debrincat and sign reinhart . Enough weaklings on this team. Sign duhaime for the 4th line
You don’t touch Reinhardt
He had a career year that very likely is not repeatable. You will be buying high and paying for this crazy season for the rest of his career. I don’t think so
@@nickfury8973 he had back to back 30+ goal seasons and an 82 pt one. Roster here is clearly not as good but he can get 70-82 pts here and 30+ goals . Provides us with a bigger body as well . Too many weaklings on the top 6 . I’d easily deal debrincat and have those assets to use on another deal and sign reinhart instead ... unless I’m Yzerman and I know there’s a very good chance someone like draisaitl wants to come here in 2 summers
Who says that they are going to make the playoffs though. It could be a waste of time for some Younger players to get experience and say that they are going to be in the playoffs is something that buffalo and Ottawa can have better season than Detroit Perron is only getting points because they are putting him in the top six and we had two bottom six players with more goals than Perron. I think if SY does bring him back he is just not helping the youth at getting the chance they need to get experience. You don’t rebuild from veterans you put young players in and veterans to help the young players come along. Backwards rebuild is a KH cap issue.
That is with possibly 3 players that can leave and the team is not going to get the same value.
Don’t forget that Lalonde was saying something about his defense and he didn’t say anything about Kanes defense or Sorongs
Petry Sucks , Gostisbhere dont play defense, Maatta is meh, and who is this Holl guy you speak of ? lol all of them should be GONE!!!!! Bring up the boys in GR and forget the old goats...