SEIDER & RAYMOND: TO BRIDGE OR NOT TO BRIDGE? - Winged Wheel Podcast - Apr. 28th, 2024
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- There's a lot for Steve Yzerman to take care of in Hockeytown this offseason, and the top of the list (even higher than Patrick Kane) belongs to Lucas Raymond & Moritz Seider's upcoming contracts.
Tune in as we discuss what those deals may look like as they come off their ELCs, whether anything other than an 8 year term is advisable, how Dylan Larkin's cap hit may factor in, why Compher, Copp, Perron, & other contracts matter, & more (3:35). We also provide some Detroit Red Wings updates as the likes of Larkin, Lyon, Petry, Raymond, Derek Lalonde, and Alex Westlund are off to the World Championship, and Andrew Gibson of the Soo Greyhounds signed his ELC and will join the Grand Rapids Griffins (27:30).
Next, we give an update on the start of the Grand Rapids playoff run as Jonatan Berggren sealed the Game 1 win, backstopped by Sebastian Cossa and coached by Dan Watson (34:35) before giving an NHL Draft Lottery update (including Detroit's chances of winning and who will end up with Macklin Celebrini) (35:50).
After that, our 2024 NHL Draft Prospect Profile series continues with Zeev Buium (Shai's brother) (41:20).
We then take a look at the Stanley Cup Playoffs (Marner, Nylander, & the Leafs are at it again) (48:25), pay our respects to the great Bob Cole (1:00:25), & lots more before we take your questions and comments during our Overtime segment (1:03:35) - enjoy!
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Steve shouting "get a map" with Samsonov a mile out of the crease in LFR made my night
brads shirt is unreal
Give Mo and Ray matching 8x8 deals.
Matthews and Marner talking it out.
Bertuzzi in the middle of them looking off to the distance thinking what team he will be signing with next.
LGRW
Wow brad and I agree for once that this year . Must be the end of the world 😂 trading up this season 110% if I’m wings gm. Should be the Last chance to add a top end prospect in the draft for a while . No dmen though we need to add an elite forward
I have never seen Labatt at a hoedown
How does Squirely Dan say "Utah Mamoths" lol
Im almost 100% sure Raymond and Seiders cap hit will both be below what Larkin is getting. Cant pay them more than the Captain. Hopefully 6-8 year deals
I would love to see the Wings play GR and see what prospects are ready in a 3 out of 5 game series. Don’t matter who wins only how the players play against a NHL roster.
Double OT winner from Yzerman vs St Louis was in 96' , i believe.
In Detroit.. CZcams the clip if ya have to and watch the crowd at the Joe rock as Gary Thorne goes off
what was that audio @ 22:13?
I would put Husso on LTIR all next season and buyout Holl. That would give the Wings enough cap space to sign Raymond and Seider to long term deals and should be enough to sign Kane and Stamkos. Trade the other RFAs for draft picks. Danielson and Kasper should be on the team next year too.
Red Wings could also buyout Copp and Fabbri and trade another defenseman. Bring back Bertuzzi and Mantha.
Mammoths are proboscideans (elephants)
Hockey players have long memories
And elephants never forget
The name is perfect.
And they're extinct, a real possibility down the road...😅
SY was saying that he would do a bridge with Raymond and then he showed up and he doesn’t want to do a bridge and don’t want to lose him.
Im always curious about player psychology when it comes to success or lack of. For example the Leafs in the playoffs. I think Detroit has some of that lack of mental discipline as well because a lot of years they refuse to get physical, stand up and be a woe is me team that's not fair. It's just not starting to slowly go away but I can still see exists at times and I've never understood why but it's so damn weird when non physical talent hinders teams/players.
A player who wants to extend max term at his point of rebuilding imo needs to take a paycut already
The cup window could probably be in that 8 years timespan and if you want to have a competitive team with a good overall game, the team needs money to spend on
Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa already have that narrow cap space and struggle with contending
Edit: I think 18mil AAV for both is still reasonable
Watch this be our moment to win the draft lottery. I'd be happy as hell to draft 5th. Also, Winnipeg's GM is on record saying they're never going to "rebuild".
Kane could ask for 3 years and get injured this season coming and he would be on LTIr is that worth it like Datsyuk i can see holding him for the last season rather than getting Nielsen
Andrew Gibson had very good points actually Brad considering he was behind Karki and Kirill and never played on the power play the team had to many offensive defensman so they made him become a stay at home d man
With those copp/compher loadstone
When you are still a young player all that matters is your salary. But you say that the cup matters.
A bit of a rant here but, SY/Lalonde have successfully been able to artificially push down Berggren's value to the point where it now is coming in an average of 1.1m AAV on ACGM on Capfriendly. The 2 players I have looked at the closest (and compared) in the past 3 years are Berggren and Raymond (NHL, AHL and internationally). Based on skill level, both offensively and defensively, Berggren should pull 75-80% AAV compared to Raymond.
I seriously doubt he will be sticking around. Which sucks.
What kind of AAV / term do you guys think Berggren realistically could get to not leave?
It wouldn’t take a lot of money to keep him. Probably 3 mil. The big issue was actually playing him. If they offer a bridge deal and a roster spot on the wings. Not rapids. He will probably stay. And by the way Raymond is probably getting 8 ish mil. Give or take.
What can ya say, clearly there's somethin they don't like about his game. He's been bubbling over in the ahl for literally years now... a couple bad plays didn't damn him to the ahl, they straight up just don't like him lol
@@scummydummy I think he didn’t make it up this year is because of sprong. They play a similar role. Berggren is a point producer with little to offer on the def side. If sprong leaves. Then berggren will start next year.
@@scummydummy and def was an issue all year so I guess they didn’t want another forward with little def
What exactly does anyone like about Berger? He is almost 24, Does he have elite puck carrying skills to enter the zone? Is he a magician with the puck? Is he a sniper? Does he have a 200 foot game? His entire game is just meh...he is another joe veleno and i would say joe is better. There is a stable of 22 year olds and under all around the league producing like lucas raymond did. Berger cant even do that in the AHL......TRADE HIM.
If Defense is a concern for the forward position then Kane should be called out as well as the younger players because it’s a hypocritical decision to call out a player and not a player who is older.
Seider goes for 8x7
8x9 or more
@@Tyler-ml6ipThe Hanifin deal really helped Steve Yzerman. Seider will be 8x8 tops, likely 7.5mil
@@marvikor Owen Power got 9
I have seen players who were better in the NHL than they were in the AHL and great players in the AHL who have struggled in the NHL. Pretty much strange.
Bridge both
Why’s there prospect profiles 😂like your sits around watching games of these kids
Yzerman should trade a #1 center. Whatever it takes. This team can't win without it.
Brad hates Gibson almost as much as Cleveland
Nope. You don't bridge talent like those two. Raymond has shown growth in leadership this past year. Seider is Seider.
They need to play the young players who can play and not worry about the playoffs and get some experience and let them play and get better and then get in the playoffs and make it happen longer than they will if they sign vets who are going to make the playoffs harder for the team when the young players are trying to get experience and they miss out because SY is not doing himself any favors by holding back certain players that need to be played because he thinks vets will get them there and it didn’t happen last season
If they get called Mammoths, they should immediately sign fat phil kessel
Petry is going to lose them most important game
And where is bertuzzi now, on the same Toronto team that is going to have to unload at least 1 if not more of their top 3 to even get past the first round again, stuck on a team that may be rebuilding soon thanks to piss poor management and lack of heart from their "leaders". Yzerman knows what he's doing. He'll get razor and mo resigned because he knows they're an integral part of this team going forward, he's not going after some bloated f.a. at the expense of the future like Stamkos or resigning Kane if he wants the farm because both those players won't likely be around during a cup run, and he'll find a way to off load players that are dead weight combined with draft picks because they have a stable of prospects and they don't have to worry about losing a top pick now that they are on the cusp of getting in the playoffs. He built the prospects, was patient with guys like edvinson and Kasper who I believe will both be up next year and there's plenty of other players who could be up soon, including cossa who continues to look better with each game in the AHL and may be up sooner than people think. You guys are full of paranoia, It will destroy ya.
He will absolutely sign Raymond and seider to probably 8 year contracts. Well deserved as well. Stamkos would be a dumb signing. He doesn’t fit what Detroit needs. I can absolutely see yzerman trying to sign Kane but if Kane leaves and signs elsewhere we will find out why yzerman let him walk. As for kasper. I just don’t know. There is a spot for him to come up. But yzerman may try to bring in a second line center vet as well. Edvisson proved he is ready. He’s for sure going to be in the starting line up. Husso and cossa can swap spots lol. I bet cossa can match .892 and not be injured all year. For a fifth of the cost
Why are you hellbent on signing Kane ? He wont be there in their cup window ..... Figure out how to dump a couple bad contracts.. Sign your future core and move on....
That's my point as well but people really seem stuck on the idea.
Kane puts casual fans butts in seats and brings them excitement not to mention it shows them the team is trying in the here and now as well, I know many people who basically say, let me know when they will actually try to make the playoffs and then I'll pay attention, if they are just grinding out another year for some future year then I'll save my money until then.
Kane is actively aiding in younger players getting better, see Raymond.
Because playing a couple more seasons with him has more of an influence on the young guys than you think. Plus, I love watching him play for us and he’s got that star presence we’ve had in a while.
Because Kane brings more than just an on ice presence, the leadership, and showing the young guys how to be a pro are priceless.
Veleno should be traded he is not good enough. 20 something points for a season he was in the top six and didn’t get any real value from it. He should be gone, Ras should have been another year in the CHL rather than being Rushed because he seems to have not learned anything.
Were you guys not paying attention to Yzerman discussing the risks involved with paying guys based just on potential. What if we give Raymond/Seider 8x9.5 and they end up capping out at 7.5 mill players? You guys talk like it's a forgone conclusion that they will one day command 11.5 mill contracts, but that isn't guaranteed.
Somewhere in the range of a 5 year deal makes sense for both sides.
You know what? Mastodons are better than mammoths. Give Michigan another team. Michigan Mastodons! Let’s go!
The Mackinac mastodons😂😂
I am not going to dog the Leafs because they are I the playoffs and Detroit is not.
If you are Raymond and Seider why on earth would you sign a long term deal after this collapse. Team has no heart and is unwatchable. Fire Yzerman and Lalonde.
Anyone else here think the wings likely wouldve done more damage to NYR than the caps did? I really dont think theyd have swept us 😂
They would have murdered us. We didn’t deserve to make it, we suck.